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Speaker 1: Jum Mission with Jones and Amanda.

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Speaker 2: It's Monday. Claire Stevens from Mamma Mia is with us,

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Speaker 2: so that means it's that's entertainment.

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Speaker 3: Hello Claire, how are you good? How are you guys going?

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Speaker 2: Say? What's on your radar today?

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Speaker 3: Okay, I've got two stories I need to talk about

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Speaker 3: today that were huge over the weekend and I need

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Speaker 3: your thoughts, starting with the story of Hugh Sheridan and cancelation.

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Speaker 3: So a viral article was published in The Good Weekend

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Speaker 3: over the weekend with the headline they canceled me as

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Speaker 3: a human what nearly killed LOGI winner Hugh Sheridan.

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Speaker 4: I saw that.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, it was massive. Everyone I know read it.

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Speaker 3: Basically it covered how early last year Hugh was confirmed

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Speaker 3: in the lead role for the musical Headwig and the

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Speaker 3: Angry Inch and The show follows the story of Hedwig,

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Speaker 3: who is born Hansel, a boy from East Germany who

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Speaker 3: falls in love with an American soldier and has a

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Speaker 3: sex change operation. The character of Headwig, woman has traditionally

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Speaker 3: been played by a man, whereas Hedwig's husband has traditionally

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Speaker 3: been played by a woman. So the idea of it

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Speaker 3: is that it just turns gender completely on its head.

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Speaker 3: Gender does not matter, so the whole musical is kind

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Speaker 3: of playing into that idea of vague gender roles, and

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Speaker 3: the writer of the musical has said that the character

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Speaker 3: of Hedwig is not a trans woman but is gender queer. However,

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Speaker 3: the character is really important to some members of the

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Speaker 3: trans community because of the nature of the story. So

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Speaker 3: when Hugh Sheridan got the role, a group of trans

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Speaker 3: advocates organized an open letter demanding that Hugh be dropped

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Speaker 3: from the role, and it was signed by more than

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Speaker 3: seventeen hundred people, and they said that the character should

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Speaker 3: be played by a trans person. They said the choice

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Speaker 3: of Sheridan was offensive and damaging, and eventually the creators

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Speaker 3: of the original musical spoke out and said they didn't

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Speaker 3: believe Hedwig needed to be played by a transactor. Hedwig

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Speaker 3: had previously been played by Neil pa Trick Harris and

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Speaker 3: Andrew Raynolds, so some really well known men. But the

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Speaker 3: Australian producers ultimately canceled the show and a whole lot

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Speaker 3: of people lost their jobs. So it didn't go ahead, No,

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Speaker 3: it didn't go ahead at all, and a whole lot

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Speaker 3: of people lost jobs, including a trans woman who was

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Speaker 3: part of the staff. So the Good Weekend article ultimately asked,

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Speaker 3: is this a story of cancel culture gone mad? Or

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Speaker 3: is it just the cost of rebalancing power structures?

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Speaker 2: Wow, it's interesting, isn't it? And I think you also

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Speaker 2: made the point. So does that mean that trans actors

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Speaker 2: can't play straight roles?

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Speaker 3: Exactly?

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Speaker 5: Are they?

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Speaker 2: How are we going to limit people? Because this is

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Speaker 2: what actors do. They play other characters.

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Speaker 4: That's what they do.

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Speaker 1: It'side that time that Rock was remembering when the Rock

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Speaker 1: was in a movie he played an amputee. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and all the everyone was outraged, and then they said, well,

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Speaker 1: there's not many guys that look like the Rock that.

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Speaker 4: Are an amputee exactly. Pull the people through the thing.

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Speaker 3: And it makes you relook at history. You look at

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Speaker 3: previous roles that people played and you think, well, would

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Speaker 3: that have been able to happen today? If And I

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Speaker 3: think it's great to reassess different roles and opportunities and

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Speaker 3: look at how we can have more diverse people in them.

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Speaker 3: But it's very interesting in this article, the toll that

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Speaker 3: it took on Q and what that means for kind

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Speaker 3: of the future of the arts and whether we're being

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Speaker 3: too narrow.

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Speaker 2: And it just it just scares everybody, doesn't it. It's

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Speaker 2: a bit like stroking a cat backwards. I'm scared that

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Speaker 2: I'm going to offend people, So let's not put the

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Speaker 2: play on at all. So don't do.

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Speaker 4: Anything at all.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think it's important as well that the

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Speaker 3: trans advocates who signed the letter didn't necessarily want the

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Speaker 3: show canceled. They just wanted you recast, and so I

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Speaker 3: do also feel a bit sorry for them, where that

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Speaker 3: wasn't the outcome they were asking for. And so a

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Speaker 3: whole lot of people are saying, well, now the story

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Speaker 3: doesn't get told at all, and they're probably thinking, well,

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Speaker 3: that isn't what we were saying. It's really on the

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Speaker 3: the production company that they didn't recast it. They just

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Speaker 3: canceled it all together. But it is kind of an

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Speaker 3: example of cancel culture and how bloody complicated it is.

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Speaker 4: How think about when I go and see Guys and

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Speaker 4: Dolls next year? Yeah, what's going on here? Dolls?

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Speaker 1: So Adele was on the Tilly last night and there's

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Speaker 1: controversy because Channel seven Sunrise Weekend.

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Speaker 4: Guy Matt Doran is a lovely guy. He's got into

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Speaker 4: a bit of controversy.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I am just obsessed with this story. So Weekend

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Speaker 3: Sunrise host Matt Doran flew to London earlier this month

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Speaker 3: for an exclusive interview with Adele. It was part of

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Speaker 3: a million dollar deal between seven and Sony to secure

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Speaker 3: the rights for the Oprah Adele interview and her one

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Speaker 3: night only performance. He was given twenty to thirty minutes

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Speaker 3: with Adele, which you guys would know. You don't get

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Speaker 3: thirty minutes with that's massible and according to sources, it

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Speaker 3: became very clear that he didn't have a lot to

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Speaker 3: say about the album, and then Adele asked him what

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Speaker 3: he thought of it, and he admitted he hadn't listened.

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Speaker 3: It's like unbelievable number one rule.

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Speaker 2: We just listen to the excellent I do your homework

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Speaker 2: and if you haven't done the homework, lie about it.

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Speaker 4: But how hard is it.

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Speaker 2: There's millions of people all around the world desperate to

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Speaker 2: hear her album. All he had to do on a

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Speaker 2: thirty hours flight was listened to it.

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Speaker 1: How good is the in flight entertainment that he couldn't

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Speaker 1: listen to Adele. I'll say this years ago I got

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Speaker 1: flown to Ireland Dublin to interview you too, and it

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Speaker 1: was for the album or You Can't Leave Behind, which

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Speaker 1: is a very good album. On the plane, I listened

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Speaker 1: to that album probably fifty times over and over again

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Speaker 1: and we did the interview. The interview wrapped up and

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Speaker 1: the Edge looked me straight in the eye and he said,

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Speaker 1: what did you think of the album? And I said

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Speaker 1: it's really good and he says, what do you think

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Speaker 1: should be the next single? And I went elevation straight away?

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Speaker 1: And he grabs Bono, punches Bono on the arm and says, see,

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Speaker 1: I told your Bono, I told you, Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: your man John's year is right. That's what I mean,

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Speaker 1: Like these eyes put their life and everything into their work. Yes,

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Speaker 1: to not listen to it's right that Chill Dell imagine

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Speaker 1: that poured her divorce part.

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Speaker 2: Through this album. This is how this is all her

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Speaker 2: emotions and so what kind of research do you do

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Speaker 2: if you don't listen to that?

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Speaker 3: Exactly?

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Speaker 4: But Matt Doran on the he said he's a huge

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Speaker 4: Adele fan.

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Speaker 2: It's only right we should ask Australia's biggest Adele fan,

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Speaker 2: Matt doraan.

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Speaker 5: I am a monstrous fan Kylie. And this album follows

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Speaker 5: other numerically titled albums. Her debut was nineteen, then came

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Speaker 5: twenty one and then twenty five, all reflecting the age

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Speaker 5: she was when Adel wrote them. Thirty was mostly written

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Speaker 5: when she was thirty years old.

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Speaker 4: I think he's a big fan of the Wikipedia, you know.

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Speaker 3: I think he read a synopsis about Adele and he's

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Speaker 3: really paraphrased that, well, it's just so uncomfortable.

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Speaker 4: Well, Claire, you've nailed that. Thank you for joining us

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Speaker 4: on this.

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Speaker 2: Monday doing your homework.

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Speaker 4: Appreciate man. Clare Stevens are of course, you can hear

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Speaker 4: on mom of Me at the podcast.

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Speaker 3: Cancel yees relevant at the moment, Jonesy

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Speaker 2: And Amanda's genation