WEBVTT - Careers Don’t Actually Exist 💼 0:00:01.080 --> 0:00:03.960 Flex and Frooms, the Flex and Frooms catch up Podcastle 0:00:04.400 --> 0:00:08.480 and Rooms. Hey, Freak is always Flex and Frooms. 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:10.280 This is such a sad week to start, but. 0:00:10.240 --> 0:00:14.120 It's the last week with our producer, isn't it Brookie. Yeah, yeah, 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:16.560 she's standing there. Brooks have been through thick and thing 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:18.239 with us, but we'll say about her on Friday. 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:19.680 Not through thick and thin. 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:24.159 Posts, ups and downs, through thicken things, but you always be. 0:00:24.480 --> 0:00:25.759 I don't think we've ever had a fight. 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:27.360 Not yet. 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:30.480 Yeah, I mean I've definitely pisched. I've definitely pisched you off. 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:33.360 Won't say we I'm done and implicating Flex and brook 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:36.440 I'll okate Brooks just because we're more bush pigs together. 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:40.280 Brooks said, we're very similar. She didn't say that, Bob. Anyway, 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:41.320 let's get to the podcast. 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:45.519 She didn't say that about you. 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:47.720 See, if we were toddlers, I think we would be 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:53.080 in physical fights. Oh highercent be pulling hair and they'll 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:54.560 be playing with blocks afterwards. 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:56.120 Do you want to share? 0:00:56.440 --> 0:00:56.640 Yeah? 0:00:56.880 --> 0:01:01.120 Literally, we just fucking would. This is flex and Kata. 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:03.440 The thing is, when we were in high school and 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:06.560 we were learning education, we should have been learning about 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:10.440 friendship group dynamics, because, unlike most things that we were 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:13.760 forced to remember in that time, this would be the 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:16.360 most important. If you look back on your high school 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:19.119 experience and you really start to unpack it, the dynamics 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:21.480 there were so important for you to understand the way 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:23.800 that the world works and the way that friendships were. 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:26.399 You know, like at the time, you don't really think 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:28.840 about am I cool? Am I the glue of the 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:29.760 friendship group? 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:31.000 Do people need me here? 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:33.480 What is my value? What is my role? You just 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:35.200 play and have your best friends. 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:37.760 Are you sure? Are I talking primary or high? 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:40.400 I'm talking high. 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:43.360 I think about a lot about that. Yeah. 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:44.399 Maybe because I wasn't the. 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:46.600 Cool I. 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:49.960 Had to like keep from my no because you were 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:53.120 in the cool group. Yeah, No, it was definitely. I 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:57.640 think it's always thought about dynamics for sure. Maybe not 0:01:57.680 --> 0:01:58.360 the glue thing. 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:01.000 I definitely I always thought dynaunced with me and my 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:03.560 best friends, Like I was always really hyper aware of 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:05.639 you know, are we still as close? 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:07.160 Are we still close? Are we still close? 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:08.840 Yeah? 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:11.400 But with everybody else it's like we're just we're just 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:14.400 the group groups. We all need to be here. But 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:18.920 I came across this TikTok video about this guy saying 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:21.960 in a really unnecessary complex way that the glue in 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:24.680 a friendship group is more complex than we could have 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:25.160 ever known. 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:27.520 Oh do I disagree? I'm not sure yet. 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:30.080 Have you ever noticed that in every friend group there's 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:34.520 one permutational hangout that doesn't really work? And what I 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:36.560 mean by that is, let's say you have a friend 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:39.359 group with like six guys in it, and they're all 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:43.760 buddies individually. But if you were to take three of 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:48.440 those guys, like let's call them Jake, Bill and Bob. Jake, 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:51.040 Bill and Bob all like each other, but when they 0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:54.240 hang out as a trio, they don't really have like 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:57.960 a good vibe. And then if you bring everyone else back, 0:02:58.040 --> 0:03:01.400 all the other guys in the vibe, vibe is like restored. 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:04.880 You're back at equilibrium and things just go well and 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:08.160 it's not like they're enemies, but it's almost kind of 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:14.359 like certain individuals within the friend group represent certain periodic elements, 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:19.480 and if you remove the presence of specific elements, then 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:21.399 the relationships become unstable. 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:25.280 He's one of my kings because no, no, no, he's coming 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:27.720 to He's talking about the periodic table. Have I ever 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:29.720 looked at a period of tib oh Okay, No, However, 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:32.360 he's adding in little tiny elements to perd mutation. I said, 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:36.920 what he's bolstering up this theory. I totally see the 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:39.480 vision in terms of you take a few people out 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:41.840 and put them into a room together, the vibes off. 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:44.680 I personally believe if I'm going down my evil route, 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:47.280 that is because if you have a group of six people, 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:51.120 there's someone who's getting like, who's the butt of the joke, 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:53.400 and there's someone who is doing the jokes and everyone's 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:56.400 laughing along. I think that's typical group dynamics. 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:57.400 Especially in my school. 0:03:57.640 --> 0:04:01.000 Yeah. So if you get like the bottom three and 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:05.120 put them together, I'm sorry, then the middle person's starting 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:06.040 to play the top. 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:08.120 Person, yeah, because they're like, well, yeah, that's. 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:10.880 Hitting different because the bottom person's like, no, you don't 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:13.880 get to be the middle person. You're down in the trenches. 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:16.560 Exactly one of us. Yeah, be put back. 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:20.039 In your place. Do these continue as an adult maybe 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:21.040 in more suther ways? 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:22.880 I would say definitely. 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:26.320 I think group dynamics and the way they manifest are 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:31.360 definitely more subtle in your adulthood because you aren't having 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:36.159 to clock in sixty hours of friendship group dynamics. So 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:40.760 maybe you notice that every other birthday party, you know, 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:43.280 the dynamics start to form, and people want to sit 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:45.960 at the different end of the table, and groups are 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:48.800 coming together or arranging an after party or so on 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:50.880 and so forth. But it's not as offensive because I 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:52.400 have other friends, I want to hang out with, other 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:54.279 places I want to go to, et cetera, et cetera, 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:57.600 et cetera. But I do like thinking about the concept 0:04:57.680 --> 0:05:00.760 because it is both humbling and even eating to think 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:01.360 about where you. 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:04.159 Fit in the world. Do you think so, yeah, humbling 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:04.440 in the. 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:08.360 Sense that it's really easy to make you It's really 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:10.520 easy to think that the role you play in the 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:13.720 places you navigate like bigger or more important than they are. 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:16.400 And then sometimes it's nice to walk into a space 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:17.880 and think, damn, you really did. 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:18.400 Need me here. 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:22.000 It didn't give it before I came. And I appreciate that, 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:25.560 you know, I see. But with your nearest and dearest, 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:31.039 I started saying, maybe about three years ago, that I 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:34.679 didn't like hanging in groups because I noticed it felt 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:37.360 like high school and I couldn't figure out why, and 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:40.040 I said before that my high school experience was quite 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:44.760 cool because, in addition to having two groups of core 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:47.760 best friends that were part of bigger groups, I just 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:50.120 was able to float between heaps of groups, and I 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:53.919 always like I had a good time. But that didn't 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:55.880 mean that I wasn't observing other people not having a 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:58.880 good time, or other people having a bad time, or 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:03.040 not feeling safe comfortable. And you know, it's not fun 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:05.200 to be a bystander, but it's also not fun to 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:08.320 be everybody's warrior. So I see these group dynamics the 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:11.600 same people fighting to be heard or being cut off 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:14.119 or being the butt of the joke, And it's funny 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:17.320 until it's not. And then you find yourself in this 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:20.120 precarious position where you're like, I can't be bothered doing 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:23.000 this again. So when I do hang out in a 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:27.919 group situation, you might notice I break off into a 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:31.760 little conversation. So I don't have to be across the 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:34.719 what's the word I'm looking for, I don't have to 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:36.839 be across the way the dynamics devolve. 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:40.680 Well, I think that's because you often assume that position 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:42.240 that like comes naturally too. 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:44.800 It's not assumed people do it to you. 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:47.520 Yeah, they'll be like, oh, Lexie, you've got a story, right, 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:49.000 and it's like, no, I don't want to talk about that. 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:50.600 Yeah, you do it. 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:52.720 Oh, it's just like and it's not. 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:55.479 I think it's one of those things where people assume 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:59.880 I'm an extra by circumstance, not by default. I constantly 0:06:59.880 --> 0:07:02.560 go into big rooms and sit in the corner and 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:04.800 people pull me back in, pull me back in, put 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:06.080 me back in. I don't want to be there. I 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:07.839 could choose to be there if I wanted to. And 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:09.720 there are some instances where I'm like, no, this is fun. 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:12.000 I want to have a group conversation. But then the 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:14.000 same thing happens, so people are like, this is good, 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:16.880 less eyes on me, we can talk about you. I 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:18.680 was like, no, I want to talk about all of 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:21.240 us and all of our things, you know so, But 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:23.400 instead I don't like that feeling. And we've spoken about 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:25.360 it before of having to police the way people do 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:27.560 their stuff. So I don't want to go into a 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:31.680 group and be like nobody a minion. I just don't 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:34.800 want to do group things unless I'm with my nearest 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:41.280 endearest and they get how it functions. It's interesting because 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:44.400 it's I feel like, yeah, you don't get it unless 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:47.880 you get it. And when I think people assume that 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:50.400 if you're good at being social, you must enjoy it, 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:54.160 and it's like, no, it's a skill. 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:58.760 What am I good at that? I don't enjoy cleaning? No, 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:02.600 that's all. I love cleaning, just not anywhere that you 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:03.360 can see it. 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:08.080 You're controlling this now. I good at that. 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:12.000 I don't enjoy being spotless, being a spotless peed. But yeah, 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:14.080 I keep thinking about it because I feel we could 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:16.680 talk about social dynamics forever and ever and ever, because 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:19.800 they're very subtle in the way that we observe them 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:22.720 in other people. But obviously from your own experience, everything 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:25.680 feels really amplified and personal. 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:31.480 Definitely more where that came from. You always flex and firms. 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:31.000 Flex and frooms. 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:34.880 They're the best word on the street is that careers 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:38.280 don't actually exist anymore. I don't want to say this 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:41.600 is true or untrue, because realistically I saw half a 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:45.560 TikTok and said this, this bops. Basically, someone is suggesting 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:48.200 or inferring that back in the days you used to 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:51.600 work for equality of life, where you could physically see 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:55.000 what you'd work so hard to achieve, the car, the house, 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:58.800 the holiday, et cetera. Now people are working to survive 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:04.040 and they're barely scraping by. Everything is expensive, everywhere is inaccessible, 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:07.000 and for that reason, people don't want to work to 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:11.080 meet bare minimum. They would rather not work and use 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:14.400 their wiles to get them to where they need to go. 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:15.920 But little while TikTok. 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:18.520 Yeah, wiles, what's the whiles? Their abilities? 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:22.760 Okay, cool, But listen to this TikTok firm Jordan Underschool 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:24.720 the underscool stallion eight. 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:28.760 There is no such thing as a career anymore. Come 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:32.280 here because nobody wants a career anymore. You want to 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:36.520 know why. Because the new workforce, the new generation of workforce, 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:40.280 they're not working for the sake of getting promoted to 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:43.439 have a good, long lasting job. We are all working 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:47.720 to survive. You cannot have a career if every single 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:49.199 day you were worried about if you're going to be 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:52.080 able to keep your job or not. Companies are not 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:56.360 instilling any trust at all with their workers. The last 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:58.839 job I had, there was somebody who was working at 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:01.199 that job for about twenty years. You want to know 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:04.520 what happened. That company laid him off. They fired him 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:08.880 via email on his day off. So if companies can 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:12.440 do that, what's the point of actually wanting a career. Now, 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:14.679 we're just looking for jobs that can pay good enough 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:16.439 to keep our groceries in our house. 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:18.280 After I listened to that, I had to Google what 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:22.000 a career was because I thought am I confused? Google 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:24.800 says a career as an occupation undertaken for a significant 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:28.280 period of a person's life, and with opportunities for progress. 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:29.360 Yeah, which makes sense. 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:33.280 This makes sense. Careers don't exist, but it's yours. 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:34.080 Then what are you doing? 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:37.559 I think I just work. I work jobs. I don't 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:40.319 think I've done one thing for a significant you know what, 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:44.720 I would say, I have a career, but the opportunities 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:48.560 for progress are due to me having nine jobs, right, 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:51.280 I'm not working at one thing and going up and 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:53.400 up and up in the ranks and whatever. I'm a 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:57.960 contractor jumping around creating opportunities for myself under the guise 0:10:58.000 --> 0:10:59.920 of a career. If this was back in the day, 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:02.720 you'd be like, she's a bloodger, you know what I mean, 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:04.719 She's just jumped from job to job to hobbyists. 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:05.880 Yeah, do you. 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:07.840 Really think that it's got something to do with people 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:11.439 like the whole bare minimum wage, most people not being 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:13.080 able to scrape period. Do you think that's where this 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:15.840 disillusionment from career comes from, or the fact that like 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:19.920 certain careers are withheld for certain people. 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:26.160 I just think that the generation before us, also our parents' generation, 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:30.559 the approach to working wasn't meant to be so intertwined 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:34.120 with satisfaction. It was a means to an end, and 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:37.640 people really understood that. So you know, when you hear 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:40.000 that someone's getting paid fifty k year but they're supporting 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:44.400 their family before, it's because they understood that's what's required. 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:44.559 Me. 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:46.480 I've got to work a job to support the family 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:49.160 that I wanted to have. Now you have people in 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:52.360 our generation who don't really want to work, don't really 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:55.080 have families, who are allowed to orbit through the world 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:57.360 in a very different way to their parents, are given 0:11:57.400 --> 0:11:59.959 this illusion of agency, and it contradicts the kind of 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:02.400 worker you need to be to work in the way 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:06.360 that our parents have. And so I feel like the industry, 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:10.520 like the job force, hasn't changed. It's always been exclusionary 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:14.120 and exploitative and not that fun. But the means to 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:18.440 the goal isn't appealing for people anymore. So even if 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:21.120 you could work the same amount of time and get 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:24.160 the house eventually at sixty like your family did, or 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:26.840 eventually get the car, it's well, I don't really want that. 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:29.400 Do I want to go to Ibifa? Now? 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:32.400 Do you really think that that's how people feel? Now? 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:36.600 People do feel that way, but I think it's futile. 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:39.840 I really don't like to think aspirationally about the world anymore. 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:41.240 I'm like, for the one that we live in now, 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:42.680 for the time that I'm going to be alive, I 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:45.440 need to get my bag so I can enjoy. And 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:47.320 then you know, they're trying to increase the retirement age 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:50.560 in France from sixty two to sixty four. They're trying 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:54.400 to increase retirement ages. So even this idea of getting 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:56.360 being able to opt out of working so you can 0:12:56.440 --> 0:12:59.160 enjoy your life is going to be a thing of 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:01.840 the past, of meally, I think people need to be 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:03.960 a bit more serious about this mentality of not wanting 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:06.080 to work, though, because they don't have the skills to 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:09.440 look after themselves. Otherwise, you are not people who have 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:11.840 got your life skills and orders. You don't know how 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:13.560 to plant your food from scratch. You don't know how 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:15.160 to make anything with your hand. You don't know how 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:18.320 to survive. You know, the truck driver's got COVID and 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:19.920 everyone's like, wait, I'll just get it eats. 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:22.960 There's no produce food, eats, sapes. That's not how it works. 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:28.439 I feel like people like the idea of not working, 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:31.760 but haven't figured out how to live without a source 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:37.160 of income. And it's possible people live through poverty like easy, 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:39.480 you know, like I'm surprised how my mum was able 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:43.360 to raise three, four or five children on a cleaner salary. 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:46.520 She didn't did it well. But do I have that 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:50.240 lust for life or those survival skills. No, And so 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:53.040 I will maintain capitalism in the way that the big 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:53.920 dogs of the past have. 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:57.320 I wonder if it changes when your circumstances changed, like 0:13:57.320 --> 0:13:58.760 when you have a kid. It's like when people say 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:02.439 I didn't know, like their whole outlook on life changes 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:05.280 when they have a child and everything they do anything 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:07.280 for the child. I wonder if that kicks will kick 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:11.880 certain people into gear of taking work as something that 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:14.240 is a means to an end rather than something that's fun. 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:15.480 And you can go up and you can go down 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:17.640 and you can go sideways. I think it will change 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:18.560 the way that we look at work. 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:20.120 I hope it's not just when people have kids, though. 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:22.000 I think they should get to that point on their 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:25.440 own time. Now you're gotta be pushed flex And I 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:28.040 got a question for the Melbourne pedigree in the room 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:30.960 that is frooms. Do men have to pay more money 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:33.200 to go to festivals in Melbourne? 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:33.880 I don't know. 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:36.400 Now you don't know. 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:38.200 I've never even heard of this concept. 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:39.360 Why did you pause for so long? 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:39.560 Then? 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:41.360 I was just trying to think if I did know. 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:44.320 You know, it's cool to go to festivals. I've been 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:48.520 to the Dorf of Dolph. 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:50.680 So I was scrolling as ones does. 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:54.960 I came across a TikTok from someone called danniel Anstey 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:59.400 who recently moved from Perth to Melbourne and was recalling 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:02.480 some of the changes that she had seen and experience 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:04.560 because she'd assumed that it would be. 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:05.320 A lot similar. 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:07.800 She said, the one thing that's like really confusing her 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:09.800 is why do men have to pay more to go 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:10.560 to festivals? 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:11.800 So she says, and. 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:13.560 I don't know which festival she was talking about, but 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:15.760 when you go to buy your tickets, you have to 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:21.120 reveal what your gender identity is, and based on your 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:23.560 gender identity, the tickets will cost more or less. 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:28.200 And apparently is what Daniel said, Apparently. 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:32.240 They do it to ensure the ratio between men and 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:36.080 women is I don't want to say even, because that's 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:38.680 not a party. But I don't know what the dominant 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:40.720 gender is meant to be at these festivals. 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:43.320 How come you don't know this? I don't even know 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:44.000 if it's true. 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:47.280 Is a festival like vight car racing or like the 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:49.400 air show? Because then I can see that there's a 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:50.560 I feel. 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:54.520 Like this is a young music festival vine nothing's coming. 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:58.120 Well, I don't identify it as a man, so I've 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:00.000 never been on the receiving end of having to pay. 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:03.200 You had to, You're okay, I don't also pay. I 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:04.920 don't also pay you to go to festivals either. They 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:07.040 organize them for me, so I don't really know how 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:07.680 I was doing it. 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:11.480 I'm no, I've never even heard of this, but I 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:13.120 like it for obvious reasons. 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:15.760 I mean, what reasons? 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:21.400 Paying less as a woman seems fair? Seventy eight cents 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:24.920 to the door. Need I remind you? I don't remind you. 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:28.200 I think it's cool and I fully back it. I 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:30.320 want to know what festival this is. I could take 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:32.120 a random guess, but I'm probably gonna make some enemies 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:32.960 if I didn't, I'll. 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:33.320 Take a guess. 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:35.520 Ad Potentially this is due for Jason. 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:36.440 Oh, you reckon. 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:39.560 Maybe I can't think of any of the massive, massive 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:41.360 festivals doing this and getting away with it, because they'd 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:44.120 be blowback. There definitely be a blowback on the dams. 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:44.880 Don't you worry about that? 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:48.080 Do you like it? Don't comment? 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:53.080 Great? Imagine me I'm ducking all the festivals. I'm saying 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:55.840 that women are cool and. 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:57.040 You meant it with your chest, and I want you 0:16:57.040 --> 0:16:58.880 to be comfortable to express yourself. 0:16:59.280 --> 0:16:59.920 This sound. 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:02.720 I'm not gonna say it's fake news, because people's personal 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:06.400 experiences are real. But I need to know which festivals 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:07.720 and I need to know why, and I need to 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:09.639 understand what this ratio is. 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:12.080 I think this is Perth propaganda. I think this chick's 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:14.760 come over from Perth and thought. You know, it's not 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:16.560 all that cracked up to be. I'm gonna make sure 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:19.720 my other Perth diis ins don't get on the plane 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:23.000 over what I don't know. I say that's the word 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:28.720 Mark McGown. It's one of your croonies. Is he stilling power? Okay? 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:32.560 It is Okita Flex and Frooms Flex and froms. 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:37.479 My name is Frooms Frumi, Fruminda Frumucci, and I am 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:40.520 otherwise known as Karen self confessed Karen. As we talk 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:42.719 about sometimes on the show, you need to be careful 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:45.040 how you describe yourself in life, because that can be 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:49.040 how you become. However, this segment is just too good 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:54.720 to refuse, and it is how do I say, chronicling? 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:57.479 All the ways in which my behavior could be are 0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:01.680 conceived as Karen esque. I went out to a gig 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:03.400 the other day. I went out to watch the Slingers 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:07.120 in Melbourne. They are a rock band, like a garage 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:09.520 rock band, kind of remind me of like the OC 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:11.600 the bands you'd seen the OC. If you're familiar with 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:13.000 that show and. 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:18.320 Live in the past, why can't your references be from 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:22.320 the late in two thousands everything, it's gotta be from 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:25.359 the you two thousand and two thousand and four babes. 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:27.080 Were here, were here? 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:29.560 Get into this calendar year. 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:33.040 Listen. I'll try and update the references. But when the 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:34.120 references are good. 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:38.040 You know, OC not even Wat's that one that's a girl, 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:40.760 that new surf one. 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:44.920 With John b who Outer Banks, Outer Banks never. 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:47.240 I haven't seen it, but I just know there would 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:48.440