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Speaker 1: magic of television. Today. On the podcast, I have the
Speaker 1: latest evicted castaway, Jordan Schmidt from Australian Survivor on Channel ten.
Speaker 1: Jordan has been playing the competition of Blood Versus Water
Speaker 1: with his cousin Josh and between the two of them,
Speaker 1: you'd be given for thinking they were unstoppable. Although they
Speaker 1: are cousins Jordan and Josh Boston that their relationship is
Speaker 1: closer than most brothers. However, as we get down to
Speaker 1: the point the end of the competition, a slight twist
Speaker 1: of fates or Jordan exit the competition last night, So
Speaker 1: today we will talk about what is fair in the
Speaker 1: competition of Australian Survivor, what keeps the post bond between
Speaker 1: the groups so tight, how he may have done things differently,
Speaker 1: and what will happen to that majority. Now, so let's
Speaker 1: get started. I'd like to welcome Jordan Schmidt to TV Reload.
Speaker 2: You're just going to go with the information you've got
Speaker 2: in the game.
Speaker 3: Previously on Australian Survivor, and there's a lot of things
Speaker 3: happening that people aren't seeing in the show that you
Speaker 3: are driving us to make the decisions we're making.
Speaker 1: Jordan, So how do you think this is going to
Speaker 1: play out?
Speaker 3: And in Survivor, you know you can't have people floating
Speaker 3: around that are just causing chaos.
Speaker 1: The six were and I still believe are very There.
Speaker 3: Was a moment where we're just literally standing in the
Speaker 3: water and we're getting called for toxic masculinity.
Speaker 1: Fifteen person hearted out of blood versus water.
Speaker 3: Jordan, as long as you've got the relationships and you
Speaker 3: get to that third seat and you can pitch.
Speaker 2: That's all the matters.
Speaker 1: Hey mate, how are you?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Gone good? Going good?
Speaker 3: You know a bit of a hectic bonside last night,
Speaker 3: so just reliving that.
Speaker 1: Well, I have to start off by saying congratulations on
Speaker 1: a very long thirty seven days in the competition. How
Speaker 1: long does it take to feel normal again after an
Speaker 1: experience like Australian Survivor, because rumor had it that you
Speaker 1: had probably one of the biggest body transformations being in
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 2: It took a huge adjustment period coming back out.
Speaker 3: Went in at ninety six kilos, came out at eighty
Speaker 3: three kilos, so it's thirty an kilo loss there. And
Speaker 3: it was actually scary to see when I come out
Speaker 3: of the show how much weighted loss because you don't
Speaker 3: see yourself and you don't know what you look like,
Speaker 3: but you can sort of feel your body being depleted.
Speaker 3: And then coming out my friends and family were like,
Speaker 3: oh wow, that's insane.
Speaker 2: Look, I don't think I'm where eighty three gillos since
Speaker 2: I was like ten.
Speaker 1: That was your way to birth? Yes, great, yes, yes.
Speaker 2: That was my first first weight when I was born.
Speaker 1: There is actually a really amazing clip that you can
Speaker 1: watch which is on ten play, and it does show
Speaker 1: your reaction when you're shown a mirror by the medic
Speaker 1: for the first time and the looks don't lie. So
Speaker 1: it's a great moment to watch. Have you seen that clip?
Speaker 2: That was?
Speaker 3: That was scary for me when I first just seen
Speaker 3: the scales I've never seen. I've played rugby my whole
Speaker 3: life and since I was seventeen, I don't think oh,
Speaker 3: probably since I was eighteen, I don't think I've been
Speaker 3: under ninety kilos just from playing rugby, and to see
Speaker 3: getting close to seventy heroes into the seventies was that
Speaker 3: was huge.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess watching the show back allows for some
Speaker 1: second guessing. And you know you've just concluded watching your
Speaker 1: time in the show playing the competition, like I guess
Speaker 1: you're a part of the jury. Was there anything that
Speaker 1: you would have done differently now that you've seen it
Speaker 1: play back on the.
Speaker 2: Telly, It's hard to say.
Speaker 3: There's not much more you can do different like you're
Speaker 3: just going to go with the information you've got in
Speaker 3: the game and what's in front of you, and you.
Speaker 2: Know what relationships you've built.
Speaker 3: So you know, watching it back now would be easy
Speaker 3: to go, I would have done this or have done that.
Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of things happening that people.
Speaker 3: Aren't seeing in the show that you know, are driving
Speaker 3: us to make the decisions we're making in terms of
Speaker 3: the second Idol, Like that's the main thing that everyone
Speaker 3: keeps talking about. Jordan had very loose lips for the
Speaker 3: whole game, so you know, he was very hard to trust.
Speaker 3: Sam and Mark were never did anything wrong by us,
Speaker 3: so you know, we felt like we were trying to
Speaker 3: stay with the with a safe bet until we got
Speaker 3: to that six and then that to me take each
Speaker 3: other's heads off.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess that's kind of why Jordy got the
Speaker 1: nickname of the Joko.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, he was very erratic.
Speaker 3: He's a good bloke though, but he's very erratic, and
Speaker 3: in Survivor, you know, you can't have people floating around
Speaker 3: that are just causing chaos.
Speaker 1: Well, they say in life that you don't get second chances,
Speaker 1: but these days in the competition of Australian survivor. You
Speaker 1: probably could get a second chance. Is it a hard
Speaker 1: pill to swallow for you if you don't get a
Speaker 1: twist or a turn of fate?
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 3: I guess the hardest part about is, you know, like
Speaker 3: we're getting down to what we were in the business
Speaker 3: end of it, and you know, for to send four
Speaker 3: players home, three of them come back and then one
Speaker 3: of them buyers advantage, it's pretty rough.
Speaker 2: It's a rough way.
Speaker 3: To go, you know, getting someone's been saved and then
Speaker 3: you get an advantage put on you as well.
Speaker 2: It's probably one of the most savage ways to go
Speaker 2: I've ever seen. It's frustrating.
Speaker 1: I think it is frustrating. I was frustrated. Look, I
Speaker 1: guess you know, moving on. I guess the majority in
Speaker 1: this competition this season has been extremely tight, and what
Speaker 1: I really want to know is did you have an
Speaker 1: idea of who in that top six would be the
Speaker 1: first to go?
Speaker 3: We did have a game plan, you know, the original
Speaker 3: game plan was to send Shay Shaye Jordi, get rid
Speaker 3: of them, get out of the competition. You know, Shay's
Speaker 3: a challenge beach. She's a good player and you know,
Speaker 3: we were all big guys. We're not beating there in
Speaker 3: a final challenge, and we have to stand on something like,
Speaker 3: let's be really, let's get Let's get Shay out of
Speaker 3: there for that very reason. Plus she had a great story.
Speaker 3: You know. Jeordie was just Jordy like he was dominant,
Speaker 3: he was killed it. It was crazy. So we needed
Speaker 3: to get rid of him. And then Josh and myself
Speaker 3: were very confident that we had stronger relationships with the singles.
Speaker 3: We wanted to get into a position where we were close.
Speaker 3: We still had the trust of Mark and Sam, but
Speaker 3: you know, we could have been in a good position
Speaker 3: to blind tide one of them and potentially send them
Speaker 3: home with an idol, and then that puts Us in
Speaker 3: the driver's seat with Christy and Dave, because we felt
Speaker 3: like we had the stronger relationship with those two.
Speaker 2: We definitely did with Chrissy. So we just needed to
Speaker 2: get rid of the riff Raf and then just get
Speaker 2: to the point where we can get rid of one
Speaker 2: of those idols and then go on through to the
Speaker 2: end game.
Speaker 1: I guess my point being that it was not you
Speaker 1: that I thought in that sort of male alliance that
Speaker 1: was formed you know, I didn't pick you as being
Speaker 1: the first out of that very strong click to go.
Speaker 2: I have no idea what happened last night.
Speaker 3: I thought they would have at least tried to split
Speaker 3: like maybe a two to two on myself and Sam,
Speaker 3: just to try and get rid of an idol. Then
Speaker 3: we go to Rocks anyway, That's how I would have
Speaker 3: done it, or I would have just loaded up, probably
Speaker 3: on Sam and then just put one on me. Anyway,
Speaker 3: So if she did pull an idol, I'm gone anyway.
Speaker 3: So I didn't get it. I didn't understand, like, I
Speaker 3: just didn't understand the play. But that's just me being
Speaker 3: biased because I'm gone. But you know, Jordy knew that
Speaker 3: there was two hours of play. He actually knew, So
Speaker 3: I thought it would have been in Jordany's best interest
Speaker 3: to just have a swing anyway.
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, that makes any if that makes.
Speaker 3: It, If that makes any sense, Like they could have
Speaker 3: got me anyway. I thought I thought it was a
Speaker 3: great advantage. I don't think it was. I don't think
Speaker 3: it was executed well. Like you've still got two hours
Speaker 3: of play, You've got Josh Christy and you've got Sam
Speaker 3: and Mark still there with two idols, I would have
Speaker 3: went for an idol first.
Speaker 1: I reckon, I'll be your therapist right now and tell
Speaker 1: you that you're not always going to have things make
Speaker 1: sense in the game of Survivor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but even even me and Josh made a huge mistake.
Speaker 3: You know, we should have given each other the necklace,
Speaker 3: Like I should have taken Josh's necklace when you're starving
Speaker 3: and you're tired.
Speaker 2: We were so comfortable that once Josh walked out, it
Speaker 2: didn't dawn on me until he was gone. I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh shit, if.
Speaker 3: Josh handed me the idol, Sam's got an idol. One
Speaker 3: of these guys are going home again. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: that's a potentially a five hundred thousand dollars sake.
Speaker 1: That one like writing off a really expensive car.
Speaker 2: That one's stung a little bit.
Speaker 1: You know, Sammy gets a lot of flack publicly for
Speaker 1: her gameplay, But do you buy into the notion that
Speaker 1: it would be less criticized if Sammy was a male.
Speaker 2: This is a touch of subject, this one, But I.
Speaker 3: Don't actually know because I think we're getting we're copping
Speaker 3: it too, just from standing in the water having a conversation.
Speaker 3: There was a moment where we're just literally standing in
Speaker 3: the water and we're getting pulled for like a toxic masculinity.
Speaker 3: Like that's what's I see a lot of things online
Speaker 3: people talk about all of us.
Speaker 2: I just don't bite back. I just leave it, let
Speaker 2: it flow. I think once you start to go at people,
Speaker 2: that's when it starts to get way more backlash. Like
Speaker 2: I've seen people writ shit about me the.
Speaker 3: Whole time, and I'm just like, oh, I don't know you,
Speaker 3: I don't really care, but I've found it. When you
Speaker 3: start to bite back a bit, you cop it. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I think Sammy's in a bit of a firing line
Speaker 3: at the moment.
Speaker 1: Well, I think reality TV can be quite triggering for
Speaker 1: people unnecessarily, you know, so people might be relating their
Speaker 1: own life to a certain situation where there is absolutely
Speaker 1: no context to it, and understanding the show as well
Speaker 1: as I do, I think that there could be a
Speaker 1: lot of people out there battling their own ideas on
Speaker 1: men in a male alliance. But at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, that's just the way that this season's played out,
Speaker 1: and I don't think any of those men toxic masculine men.
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's just smart gameplay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's the thing, like it was.
Speaker 3: This is why I always laugh about it, because we
Speaker 3: actually just got along really well. That was the main thing.
Speaker 3: Like all of us love sport. We loved like the
Speaker 3: same things. Our conversations were hilarious. Our most aid and
Speaker 3: show any most of our conversations were movie gues.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, so were all.
Speaker 3: Half of our conversations were probably the dumbest conversation join
Speaker 3: me here. Like we'll just be laying there quoting movies
Speaker 3: and just cracking up, laughing, and like we're like, oh, well,
Speaker 3: do you know what, Like why don't we all just
Speaker 3: get each other to merge and then we'll go for
Speaker 3: each other then, like everyone knows and survivor once you
Speaker 3: get to merge, the challenges it doesn't matter how strong
Speaker 3: we are or anything, the challenges even out. So it's like,
Speaker 3: let's get each other there first, get ourselves in the
Speaker 3: best position to potentially run through merge as well. But
Speaker 3: you know, we knew we were going to go after
Speaker 3: each other anyway, we might as well get each other
Speaker 3: to merge first and then go after each other. And
Speaker 3: we wanted one of the big boys to get there,
Speaker 3: you know, like you know, to their credit, like you know,
Speaker 3: the ladies have dominated its evolva in the last few years.
Speaker 3: And it's like it's because you know, the guys, we
Speaker 3: turn on each other as well, and it's like, you know,
Speaker 3: let's let's look after each other this time, and you know,
Speaker 3: let's get there and have a crack, and let's get
Speaker 3: one of us to the end.
Speaker 2: And I was pretty keen to battle it out with
Speaker 2: some of the some of those guys too.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm very competitive, so you know, I wanted
Speaker 3: to go up against people like Shay. I wanted to
Speaker 3: against people like Mark. I would love to test myself
Speaker 3: against those guys. That's that was how I looked at
Speaker 3: it as well. But yeah, all that happens is if
Speaker 3: the big guys pick each other off, if there's one
Speaker 3: of you left in merger, you're going on first. So
Speaker 3: that's happens all the time. So well, let's go in
Speaker 3: together and have strength in numbers and let's let's take
Speaker 3: control of the game.
Speaker 1: Well we kind of touched on this little before, but
Speaker 1: I thought watching you back your mates Mark and Sam
Speaker 1: at that point was really sweet, you know, believing that
Speaker 1: they didn't have two idols. Did you feel like you
Speaker 1: had no option because you worried what it might have
Speaker 1: looked like, it might have shown a slight dissension, or
Speaker 1: did you genuinely just not believe that there was two idols?
Speaker 2: There was so much more happening, like it was.
Speaker 3: Jordi got caught out in a lot of lies through
Speaker 3: the whole game, so like his word was more like
Speaker 3: the boy of Pride Wolf, so I was like, well,
Speaker 3: he's fully lying. And when Jesse got voted out, Jordi
Speaker 3: said something to me and Josh that was like stuck
Speaker 3: with us. It was like, I can't believe Jesse went
Speaker 3: home with his idol those exact words.
Speaker 2: So Jesse went home with his idol. And then we
Speaker 2: trusted Mark and Sam because they backed us in to
Speaker 2: save Josh. And then Jordi says that. Then the very
Speaker 2: next day he says, Sam's got it. So there's three
Speaker 2: things we trust them. Jordi lies all the.
Speaker 3: Time, and then Jesse is such a smart player that
Speaker 3: you cannot pitch him giving away an idol. So you've
Speaker 3: got all these things in your mind where it's like't be,
Speaker 3: like it just can't be. We found ourselves in a
Speaker 3: position where we're like, we could be snooky here because
Speaker 3: we need to hold a majority, because as soon as
Speaker 3: one of us go for each other, the singles automatically
Speaker 3: can swoop in and you know, take us all out.
Speaker 2: It's gonna get interesting now. So like Juicy Dave, Pucy,
Speaker 2: Dave Bloody ol Man, I was talking to No, he's
Speaker 2: the man, he's good.
Speaker 3: But you know, we had a plan with Dave and
Speaker 3: we said, mate, just stay tight. You know, there's four
Speaker 3: of us. We just got to get rid of the
Speaker 3: riff raff and then we'll go for those We'll go
Speaker 3: for those idols. But I think he just got a
Speaker 3: bit excited, jumped the gun and made a very not
Speaker 3: because I want to I wish I was still in
Speaker 3: the game, but I do think that could have been
Speaker 3: executed better. You know, an advantage like that, even if
Speaker 3: you leave the two with the idols in there and
Speaker 3: then have gladal damage to go one one one or something.
Speaker 3: You know, like there's so many ways you can play it.
Speaker 3: Like it's just I don't know if I sound crazy
Speaker 3: or not, but even if you leave Mark and Sam
Speaker 3: in there and put me or someone there and just go.
Speaker 2: One one one, see what happens. Then we're gonna go
Speaker 2: to Rocks anyway Sunday morning.
Speaker 1: Quarterbacking though, which is always the problem in surviving you
Speaker 1: know you're always thinking, oh, do you know what? It's
Speaker 1: really amazing, like just bringing up Dave just then, and
Speaker 1: you know you could be a little bit cross with him.
Speaker 1: But the community behind Australian Survivor is super strong. How
Speaker 1: did the team behind this show help that strength? I mean,
Speaker 1: is there a way in which you guys are pushed
Speaker 1: into letting go of bad feelings?
Speaker 2: It all depends on the person.
Speaker 3: Like you know, we Me and Josh, you know we've
Speaker 3: been through you know, I've lost my dad, I've lost
Speaker 3: my brother. So the way I look at life is
Speaker 3: a lot different to like how other people do. And
Speaker 3: I've been raising sports, so you know, at game is
Speaker 3: a game. Like I'm always playing the player, not the person.
Speaker 3: So if men, you're playing Survivor, I'm playing against you
Speaker 3: as a character in Survivor.
Speaker 2: I'm never going to judge you on who you are
Speaker 2: as a person. That's just how I am. Like even
Speaker 2: kJ last night, you know, I was She's absolutely smoked me.
Speaker 2: I should be filtered.
Speaker 3: But you know, I shook her hand, gave Rack kiss
Speaker 3: and said, you know, we'll played. It's a game at
Speaker 3: the end of the day, and the end of the
Speaker 3: daytab someone in your back, Like so it's like, you
Speaker 3: just got to realize you're playing a game here. Sometimes
Speaker 3: things will upset you, but you know, it's just a
Speaker 3: part of it. And what I would say is like,
Speaker 3: if you can't, if you're not ready for that, don't don't.
Speaker 1: Play the game. I played Big Brother like Survivor, so
Speaker 1: but it was back in the day where Big Brother was,
Speaker 1: you know, a personality fun show where a lot of
Speaker 1: the people that applied and were on the show just
Speaker 1: wanted to be there for this fun experience. And I'd
Speaker 1: go to bed every night being like, if I align
Speaker 1: with that person, that'll shut down this. And so I
Speaker 1: definitely used a lot of what I had learned from
Speaker 1: Survivor to be on Big Brother, and a lot of
Speaker 1: people in the show we were over, you know, were
Speaker 1: really upset with me and said, you know, I can't
Speaker 1: believe you did this or you can't believe that, And
Speaker 1: I was like, no, I love you, be my friend.
Speaker 1: I think you're an amazing person. But I absolutely had
Speaker 1: to get rid of you in the competition.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, yeah, what did.
Speaker 1: You like better?
Speaker 2: Do you like? Which game did you like better?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that now I'm more programmed
Speaker 1: to liking this new format, so you know. And it's also,
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of like if you win something,
Speaker 1: you can put that to bed. So like for me,
Speaker 1: the fact that the old big Brother's gone, I'm like,
Speaker 1: well that I've achieved that, so you know, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: an awesome let's do it. Let's do it in the
Speaker 1: modern version and the version that's more like Survivor. So anyway,
Speaker 1: we're going off on a tangent. We're not supposed to
Speaker 1: talk about.
Speaker 2: That as we're interesting though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, no, it is. It is you know, the
Speaker 1: way in which Shay sacrificed her letter for you guys.
Speaker 1: Did she know or would it have been sudden death
Speaker 1: to make a more selfish decision and have chosen her
Speaker 1: own personal letter?
Speaker 3: No, not at all, Like we as much as it
Speaker 3: is a game, when something like that comes into the fold,
Speaker 3: like a letter or a video, you get sucked back
Speaker 3: into the real world. You actually start to get those
Speaker 3: emotions coming out, and you know, Shade just come back
Speaker 3: from four or four or five days in Purgatuel, and
Speaker 3: she was What people won't see is when she came back,
Speaker 3: it's like she lost a part of herself, like she
Speaker 3: must have struggled out there. So when that letter came
Speaker 3: up she bought, she started balling her eyes out, and
Speaker 3: you know, all of us were sitting there. We said, Shaye,
Speaker 3: just take your letter. We felt like she really deserved it.
Speaker 3: We wouldn't have cared like we were so grateful though,
Speaker 3: but to see her reaction just as she bought the letter,
Speaker 3: she started balling eyes out, So we're all like, Shaye,
Speaker 3: just take just please take your letter. Like if you
Speaker 3: rewatch the episode again, you'll see us all going, Shay,
Speaker 3: just take it. We've got seven days left or however
Speaker 3: long we got, you know, like we're this far, we
Speaker 3: can hold on, Like you look like you.
Speaker 2: Really need to speak to someone.
Speaker 3: And we were like, you know, Shay, just take yours,
Speaker 3: you know, And and for her to give it.
Speaker 2: To us was it was amazing.
Speaker 3: It showed her as a character, showed her humility and Shane,
Speaker 3: it was amazing from her, like she's a great person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, those were the most emotional letters I've ever seen
Speaker 1: or can remember. Maybe it's remember in the history of
Speaker 1: letters from home, you know, because I particularly hate the
Speaker 1: messages from home. I don't mean to say that, because
Speaker 1: sometimes they're way too effusive, or you don't necessarily believe it,
Speaker 1: or it's hard to relate to because you know, not
Speaker 1: being in the experience, it feels like, well, hey, you
Speaker 1: saw those people thirty days ago. It's not like you
Speaker 1: saw them thirty years ago. But this particular letters from
Speaker 1: Home was so powerful, and I was in I was
Speaker 1: such a wreck watching everybody. Do you think it's important
Speaker 1: at this point of the game to humanize everyone a
Speaker 1: little bit more by having letters from home? Do you
Speaker 1: see it as a vital part of the competition.
Speaker 2: It's a double edged sword.
Speaker 3: It's, you know, the greatest, one of the best things
Speaker 3: that survivor at this point, like you're in such a
Speaker 3: problem of state.
Speaker 2: You're an animal. You're pretty much back to what you're
Speaker 2: born to do, you know what.
Speaker 3: I mean, Like you're just a savage, like and then
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, something like this, even though it's
Speaker 3: thirty days, it does feel like thirty years. Like and
Speaker 3: you see your either your girlfriend's name, your partner's name,
Speaker 3: your mom's name, your brother's name. You see that on
Speaker 3: the paper and then all of a sudden, your eyes
Speaker 3: you just start you're in this zone and you see
Speaker 3: the normal, like you see the normal life to creep
Speaker 3: back in and it hits you so hard and like
Speaker 3: a part of you doesn't want to see it because
Speaker 3: it pulls you. It pulls your focus. But then the
Speaker 3: other side gives you that drive. It's like seven days left.
Speaker 3: My brother misses me, my mom misses me, my girlfriend
Speaker 3: misses me. I've got to bring this home. And then
Speaker 3: especially for Josh, you know, he's if shading give up
Speaker 3: the letters.
Speaker 2: We wouldn't have even known.
Speaker 3: Until Josh got out about the baby reveal, and that
Speaker 3: just gave him another fire.
Speaker 2: Was like, you know, I need to do this for
Speaker 2: my family. And then me and Josh they should have shown.
Speaker 2: They didn't show up, but we literally went off after
Speaker 2: that and we said let's bring it home, man, like
Speaker 2: we've got to get this for you, for your some
Speaker 2: so like or for your baby, like we're going to
Speaker 2: bring it home.
Speaker 3: But yeah, definitely gave him extra drive, and I think
Speaker 3: it was it was a special moment, like to share
Speaker 3: that with him on Survivor.
Speaker 1: And also, you know, the naisiest players in this series
Speaker 1: were sort of knocked out at the you know, very
Speaker 1: early on gameplay. You know, with a mix of players
Speaker 1: being left who haven't all necessarily made too many risky moves,
Speaker 1: do you think to win the twenty twenty two series
Speaker 1: you must be a little bit more stealth. We have
Speaker 1: sort of moved away from saying David, who did very
Speaker 1: well on the show years before, making all these really bold, dramatic,
Speaker 1: great television moments, do you think that you can't do
Speaker 1: that anymore? Do you think you need to be a
Speaker 1: little bit more stealth?
Speaker 2: It's actually tricky. It's a very tricky likes it's an
Speaker 2: unconventional Survivor as well, because you've got a loved one there.
Speaker 2: So this is the emotion in this one's huge.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of elements that aren't in conventional Survivors
Speaker 3: that add to add to everything. So if I start
Speaker 3: playing too bold, I put a target on Josh's back.
Speaker 3: If Josh starts doing silly stuff, there's.
Speaker 2: A target on my back.
Speaker 3: So you've got to be you need to find that
Speaker 3: happy medium in that middle ground as well. And also
Speaker 3: if you're only a couple of standing. You know, you're
Speaker 3: a target already, so you've sort of got to try
Speaker 3: and float through and build really strong relationships. But also
Speaker 3: I'm a firm believer in you know, it's not Australian unfortunately,
Speaker 3: the Eusie public is not voting for the winner. It's
Speaker 3: who's in the game. So as long as you've got
Speaker 3: the relationships and you get to that third seat and
Speaker 3: you can pitch, that's all the matters, I reckon resumes aside,
Speaker 3: all of that aside, you've got to get to those
Speaker 3: seats first. You know, you can swing for the fences
Speaker 3: and make all these beautiful moves and get smoked and
Speaker 3: sent home. You're still not sitting on those three chairs.
Speaker 3: But as far as I'm concerned, as far as I'm concerned,
Speaker 3: if you can get to those three chairs and then
Speaker 3: build from there, I reckon, that's that's the key. I
Speaker 3: believe in Survivor and Dave. When Dave won and when
Speaker 3: he came back and re corrected himself. Dave that the
Speaker 3: season before he was doing crazy stuff and you know
Speaker 3: he's got over confident and then he got checked.
Speaker 2: He then came back joined a solid majority floated a
Speaker 2: little bit, made some solid moves, so made a couple
Speaker 2: and then ended up winning it. So he actually recorrected
Speaker 2: his whole path.
Speaker 3: We watched that season like back to back, man, Josh
Speaker 3: to look at what he did.
Speaker 1: Sitting at home with like you're reading glasses on and
Speaker 1: a chalkboard and uh, you know, rewatching old versions of
Speaker 1: the show and what happens if.
Speaker 3: This I've been a little bit different, a little bit different,
Speaker 3: maybe a few lollies and then some beers watching it
Speaker 3: and then flicking in between the NRL as well.
Speaker 2: Man, So yeah, we just need.
Speaker 3: To see his journey how he recorrected, because to come
Speaker 3: back back to back and win it, Like I.
Speaker 2: Wanted to see what he did.
Speaker 3: And we were like everyone's like, oh, you needed moves,
Speaker 3: you need a resume, and like, well.
Speaker 2: No, Dave had made one big move.
Speaker 3: But he positions himself so well within a majority, you know,
Speaker 3: and then at the end just pumped everyone.
Speaker 2: It's all about the pitch. If you can pitch well.
Speaker 3: And you can bring up moves that people don't know about,
Speaker 3: that's all It's about, well.
Speaker 1: Thinking of things playing out differently. I mean, Kj's advantage,
Speaker 1: So a pretty strategic gameplay. Had you been given that opportunity,
Speaker 1: how would you have used the advantage? Because I wouldn't
Speaker 1: have chosen it the way that she did. But I
Speaker 1: think it was very smart.
Speaker 3: It's an interesting way to Yeah, there's a lot of
Speaker 3: things that have got to unfold.
Speaker 2: I think it was for me. You know, we're all
Speaker 2: about neutralizing threats. So if I was to.
Speaker 3: Play it, I probably would have I maybe would have
Speaker 3: kept Sam and Jordi there. I would have kept Sam,
Speaker 3: Jordy and maybe kJ there or someone just to neutralize
Speaker 3: the floaters and an idol, and then I would have
Speaker 3: put a bit of doubt in the mind and tried
Speaker 3: to go for an idol or because West case scenario,
Speaker 3: I know, you take a swing, you take an idol out,
Speaker 3: or you take out a big threat.
Speaker 2: That's how I would have done it.
Speaker 3: But that's just because Dave, Christy, Josh and myself were
Speaker 3: air tight, so you know, we had majority within the majority,
Speaker 3: so you know, we could have gone each way.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think at that point in time, I'll
Speaker 2: probably went that late.
Speaker 1: As you walked away off to join tribal council, who
Speaker 1: do you think was going to win the competition? At
Speaker 1: that point. So before colluding with the others that are
Speaker 1: now in the tribal council with you, who is going
Speaker 1: to win this competition? What were you thinking at this time?
Speaker 3: I was a bit nervous for Josh, you know, because
Speaker 3: we yeah, once I was gone and you know, we
Speaker 3: saw that majority shift, I was like, oh, I think
Speaker 3: Josh is in a bit of trouble. If there is
Speaker 3: talk this, well, they've got an idol. So I was like,
Speaker 3: you know, Josh has to win, has to keep winning now.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I was like, oh, you know, maybe Chris
Speaker 3: or Chrissy r Mark might bring it home.
Speaker 1: Well. My last question to ask you before you go
Speaker 1: is something that ask everyone who joins the podcast. What's
Speaker 1: something from behind the scenes that we're as an audience
Speaker 1: might appreciate that we haven't seen or we didn't see,
Speaker 1: you know, from the makings of Survivor.
Speaker 2: You know, you deal.
Speaker 3: I think what you probably didn't see based on what's
Speaker 3: been shown is, you know, everyone in that game is
Speaker 3: an amazing person, and you know we.
Speaker 2: Had some weird sam everyone, you know, they're all great people.
Speaker 3: They're all playing the game, and you know, some people
Speaker 3: are getting painted in different lines. Some people aren't getting
Speaker 3: painted at all. So you know, I think it's crucial
Speaker 3: to remember, you know that these guys are people, and
Speaker 3: you know they're amazing people as well, and don't believe
Speaker 3: everything you see.
Speaker 1: Well, you write a whole lot of nonsense on social media.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's again before you start shreading some people.
Speaker 3: You know, these guys have you know, they've got family,
Speaker 3: they've got friends. You know, don't believe everything you see.
Speaker 3: You know there's some of these guys are humans. We're
Speaker 3: all humans, and you know that's everyone's everyone's amazing.
Speaker 1: I just want to say thank you so much for
Speaker 1: your time. It was probably the longest inter interview I've
Speaker 1: done so far, but I just felt like there was
Speaker 1: so much to unpack. You were fantastic to watch the show,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure you could make a lot of money
Speaker 1: selling your speedos to the LGBT community that we're watching
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 2: Oh man, you got to help me out. I need
Speaker 2: to I need to get that rolling.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if you're going to make five
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars from it, but you know, we'll try
Speaker 1: and get close.
Speaker 2: We'll get close, set we'll sort that out.
Speaker 1: Amazing. Thanks so much for your time mate.
Speaker 2: Please thanks Ben, Thanks buddy, have a good day, right