WEBVTT - MORE THAN A BUDGIE SMUGGLER FULL OF SURVIVOR CHAT! 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:01.720 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:05.400 TV Reload the podcast last week. They're right, welcome back 0:00:05.400 --> 0:00:08.480 guys to TV Reload. My name's Benjamin Norris and on 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:11.320 this podcast I go behind the scenes with the biggest 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:12.360 players in television. 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:15.239 I've worked in Telly for twenty years. 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:17.400 But I've also got to go behind the scenes with writers. 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:19.720 The truth is, when I started writing it, it wasn't 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:22.120 had nothing to do with the news and casting agents 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:24.640 they know from a casting point of view what they need, 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:28.440 and editors because that's what we do as editors where storytellers, 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:31.800 not to forget some incredible executive producers who are making 0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:33.640 some of the best TV in Australia. 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:36.280 We thought he'd be two to self aware. Well, in fact, 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:38.040 exactly the opposite was true and he became the biggest 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:38.760 character in the show. 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:41.360 So thanks for joining me each week and I hope 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:44.680 the podcast continues to give you real insight into the 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:47.640 magic of television. Today. On the podcast, I have the 0:00:47.720 --> 0:00:52.600 latest evicted castaway, Jordan Schmidt from Australian Survivor on Channel ten. 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:56.200 Jordan has been playing the competition of Blood Versus Water 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:59.280 with his cousin Josh and between the two of them, 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:03.360 you'd be given for thinking they were unstoppable. Although they 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:07.000 are cousins Jordan and Josh Boston that their relationship is 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:10.800 closer than most brothers. However, as we get down to 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:13.520 the point the end of the competition, a slight twist 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:17.440 of fates or Jordan exit the competition last night, So 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:20.440 today we will talk about what is fair in the 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:24.720 competition of Australian Survivor, what keeps the post bond between 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:28.400 the groups so tight, how he may have done things differently, 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:32.000 and what will happen to that majority. Now, so let's 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:35.920 get started. I'd like to welcome Jordan Schmidt to TV Reload. 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:38.920 You're just going to go with the information you've got 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:39.680 in the game. 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:44.200 Previously on Australian Survivor, and there's a lot of things 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:46.840 happening that people aren't seeing in the show that you 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:49.200 are driving us to make the decisions we're making. 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:50.880 Jordan, So how do you think this is going to 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:51.320 play out? 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:54.240 And in Survivor, you know you can't have people floating 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:56.080 around that are just causing chaos. 0:01:56.160 --> 0:02:01.520 The six were and I still believe are very There. 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:03.400 Was a moment where we're just literally standing in the 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:06.240 water and we're getting called for toxic masculinity. 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:08.720 Fifteen person hearted out of blood versus water. 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:12.600 Jordan, as long as you've got the relationships and you 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:14.720 get to that third seat and you can pitch. 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:15.200 That's all the matters. 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:16.960 Hey mate, how are you? 0:02:17.160 --> 0:02:18.320 Yeah? Gone good? Going good? 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:22.120 You know a bit of a hectic bonside last night, 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:24.160 so just reliving that. 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:26.440 Well, I have to start off by saying congratulations on 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:29.560 a very long thirty seven days in the competition. How 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:32.680 long does it take to feel normal again after an 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:36.520 experience like Australian Survivor, because rumor had it that you 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:39.720 had probably one of the biggest body transformations being in 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:40.400 the show. 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:42.600 It took a huge adjustment period coming back out. 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:44.880 Went in at ninety six kilos, came out at eighty 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:47.280 three kilos, so it's thirty an kilo loss there. And 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:49.799 it was actually scary to see when I come out 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:51.440 of the show how much weighted loss because you don't 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:53.400 see yourself and you don't know what you look like, 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:55.639 but you can sort of feel your body being depleted. 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:58.080 And then coming out my friends and family were like, 0:02:58.120 --> 0:02:59.280 oh wow, that's insane. 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:01.079 Look, I don't think I'm where eighty three gillos since 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:02.000 I was like ten. 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:04.720 That was your way to birth? Yes, great, yes, yes. 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:06.679 That was my first first weight when I was born. 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:10.359 There is actually a really amazing clip that you can 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:12.960 watch which is on ten play, and it does show 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:15.440 your reaction when you're shown a mirror by the medic 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:18.359 for the first time and the looks don't lie. So 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:21.040 it's a great moment to watch. Have you seen that clip? 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:21.600 That was? 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:24.560 That was scary for me when I first just seen 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:27.519 the scales I've never seen. I've played rugby my whole 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:30.799 life and since I was seventeen, I don't think oh, 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:33.280 probably since I was eighteen, I don't think I've been 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:36.560 under ninety kilos just from playing rugby, and to see 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:39.880 getting close to seventy heroes into the seventies was that 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:40.440 was huge. 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:43.120 Well, I guess watching the show back allows for some 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:46.280 second guessing. And you know you've just concluded watching your 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:48.600 time in the show playing the competition, like I guess 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:50.560 you're a part of the jury. Was there anything that 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:53.160 you would have done differently now that you've seen it 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:54.000 play back on the. 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:55.080 Telly, It's hard to say. 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:56.840 There's not much more you can do different like you're 0:03:56.880 --> 0:03:58.480 just going to go with the information you've got in 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:00.640 the game and what's in front of you, and you. 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:02.000 Know what relationships you've built. 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:04.240 So you know, watching it back now would be easy 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:05.720 to go, I would have done this or have done that. 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:08.440 You know, there's a lot of things happening that people. 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:10.960 Aren't seeing in the show that you know, are driving 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:13.040 us to make the decisions we're making in terms of 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:15.240 the second Idol, Like that's the main thing that everyone 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:17.800 keeps talking about. Jordan had very loose lips for the 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:20.760 whole game, so you know, he was very hard to trust. 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:23.839 Sam and Mark were never did anything wrong by us, 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:25.440 so you know, we felt like we were trying to 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:28.120 stay with the with a safe bet until we got 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:30.320 to that six and then that to me take each 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:30.920 other's heads off. 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:33.039 Well, I guess that's kind of why Jordy got the 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:34.040 nickname of the Joko. 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:36.440 Oh yeah, yeah, he was very erratic. 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:38.839 He's a good bloke though, but he's very erratic, and 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:41.320 in Survivor, you know, you can't have people floating around 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:42.839 that are just causing chaos. 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:45.359 Well, they say in life that you don't get second chances, 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:48.719 but these days in the competition of Australian survivor. You 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:51.200 probably could get a second chance. Is it a hard 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:53.960 pill to swallow for you if you don't get a 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:55.440 twist or a turn of fate? 0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:56.440 I guess. 0:04:56.480 --> 0:04:58.080 I guess the hardest part about is, you know, like 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:00.599 we're getting down to what we were in the business 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:02.800 end of it, and you know, for to send four 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:05.640 players home, three of them come back and then one 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:08.320 of them buyers advantage, it's pretty rough. 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:09.400 It's a rough way. 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:12.520 To go, you know, getting someone's been saved and then 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:13.960 you get an advantage put on you as well. 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:16.800 It's probably one of the most savage ways to go 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:18.520 I've ever seen. It's frustrating. 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:21.400 I think it is frustrating. I was frustrated. Look, I 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:23.760 guess you know, moving on. I guess the majority in 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:28.040 this competition this season has been extremely tight, and what 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:30.480 I really want to know is did you have an 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:33.640 idea of who in that top six would be the 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:34.240 first to go? 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:37.000 We did have a game plan, you know, the original 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:41.400 game plan was to send Shay Shaye Jordi, get rid 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:44.600 of them, get out of the competition. You know, Shay's 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:47.080 a challenge beach. She's a good player and you know, 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:49.160 we were all big guys. We're not beating there in 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:51.200 a final challenge, and we have to stand on something like, 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:54.840 let's be really, let's get Let's get Shay out of 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:57.200 there for that very reason. Plus she had a great story. 0:05:57.200 --> 0:05:59.560 You know. Jeordie was just Jordy like he was dominant, 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:02.080 he was killed it. It was crazy. So we needed 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:04.400 to get rid of him. And then Josh and myself 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:07.440 were very confident that we had stronger relationships with the singles. 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:09.720 We wanted to get into a position where we were close. 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:12.039 We still had the trust of Mark and Sam, but 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:13.479 you know, we could have been in a good position 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:15.640 to blind tide one of them and potentially send them 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:17.719 home with an idol, and then that puts Us in 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:20.080 the driver's seat with Christy and Dave, because we felt 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:22.640 like we had the stronger relationship with those two. 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:25.080 We definitely did with Chrissy. So we just needed to 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:27.360 get rid of the riff Raf and then just get 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:28.880 to the point where we can get rid of one 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:30.800 of those idols and then go on through to the 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:31.640 end game. 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:33.400 I guess my point being that it was not you 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:36.360 that I thought in that sort of male alliance that 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:38.880 was formed you know, I didn't pick you as being 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:41.480 the first out of that very strong click to go. 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:44.600 I have no idea what happened last night. 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:47.640 I thought they would have at least tried to split 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:50.559 like maybe a two to two on myself and Sam, 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:52.599 just to try and get rid of an idol. Then 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:54.720 we go to Rocks anyway, That's how I would have 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:57.239 done it, or I would have just loaded up, probably 0:06:57.240 --> 0:06:58.839 on Sam and then just put one on me. Anyway, 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:00.880 So if she did pull an idol, I'm gone anyway. 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:04.600 So I didn't get it. I didn't understand, like, I 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:06.800 just didn't understand the play. But that's just me being 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:09.000 biased because I'm gone. But you know, Jordy knew that 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:11.000 there was two hours of play. He actually knew, So 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:13.320 I thought it would have been in Jordany's best interest 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:14.320 to just have a swing anyway. 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:16.440 Oh absolutely, that makes any if that makes. 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:18.120 It, If that makes any sense, Like they could have 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:20.200 got me anyway. I thought I thought it was a 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:22.440 great advantage. I don't think it was. I don't think 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:25.960 it was executed well. Like you've still got two hours 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:29.280 of play, You've got Josh Christy and you've got Sam 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:31.240 and Mark still there with two idols, I would have 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:32.120 went for an idol first. 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:34.280 I reckon, I'll be your therapist right now and tell 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:36.440 you that you're not always going to have things make 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:37.840 sense in the game of Survivor. 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:42.040 Yeah, but even even me and Josh made a huge mistake. 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:44.120 You know, we should have given each other the necklace, 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:47.160 Like I should have taken Josh's necklace when you're starving 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:47.920 and you're tired. 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:51.080 We were so comfortable that once Josh walked out, it 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:52.760 didn't dawn on me until he was gone. I'm like, 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:54.280 oh shit, if. 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:56.800 Josh handed me the idol, Sam's got an idol. One 0:07:56.800 --> 0:07:59.239 of these guys are going home again. And I was like, oh, 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:02.040 that's a potentially a five hundred thousand dollars sake. 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:06.000 That one like writing off a really expensive car. 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:08.400 That one's stung a little bit. 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:11.800 You know, Sammy gets a lot of flack publicly for 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:14.600 her gameplay, But do you buy into the notion that 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:18.040 it would be less criticized if Sammy was a male. 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:20.200 This is a touch of subject, this one, But I. 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:25.040 Don't actually know because I think we're getting we're copping 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:27.480 it too, just from standing in the water having a conversation. 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:29.680 There was a moment where we're just literally standing in 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:32.679 the water and we're getting pulled for like a toxic masculinity. 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:36.360 Like that's what's I see a lot of things online 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:37.640 people talk about all of us. 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:39.520 I just don't bite back. I just leave it, let 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:41.960 it flow. I think once you start to go at people, 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:44.880 that's when it starts to get way more backlash. Like 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:46.240 I've seen people writ shit about me the. 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:48.160 Whole time, and I'm just like, oh, I don't know you, 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:50.199 I don't really care, but I've found it. When you 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:52.960 start to bite back a bit, you cop it. But yeah, 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:55.000 I think Sammy's in a bit of a firing line 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:55.480 at the moment. 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:58.720 Well, I think reality TV can be quite triggering for 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:02.360 people unnecessarily, you know, so people might be relating their 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:05.400 own life to a certain situation where there is absolutely 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:08.559 no context to it, and understanding the show as well 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:10.319 as I do, I think that there could be a 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:13.920 lot of people out there battling their own ideas on 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:16.320 men in a male alliance. But at the end of 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:19.839 the day, that's just the way that this season's played out, 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:23.600 and I don't think any of those men toxic masculine men. 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:25.880 You know, I think it's just smart gameplay. 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:27.720 Yeah, And that's the thing, like it was. 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:30.000 This is why I always laugh about it, because we 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:32.319 actually just got along really well. That was the main thing. 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:35.520 Like all of us love sport. We loved like the 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:39.360 same things. Our conversations were hilarious. Our most aid and 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:41.559 show any most of our conversations were movie gues. 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:44.360 Yes, yeah, so were all. 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:47.440 Half of our conversations were probably the dumbest conversation join 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:50.320 me here. Like we'll just be laying there quoting movies 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:53.440 and just cracking up, laughing, and like we're like, oh, well, 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:54.960 do you know what, Like why don't we all just 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:56.959 get each other to merge and then we'll go for 0:09:57.040 --> 0:09:59.440 each other then, like everyone knows and survivor once you 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:01.800 get to merge, the challenges it doesn't matter how strong 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:04.200 we are or anything, the challenges even out. So it's like, 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:06.920 let's get each other there first, get ourselves in the 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:09.440 best position to potentially run through merge as well. But 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:11.360 you know, we knew we were going to go after 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:13.360 each other anyway, we might as well get each other 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:15.360 to merge first and then go after each other. And 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:16.959 we wanted one of the big boys to get there, 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:19.800 you know, like you know, to their credit, like you know, 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:22.640 the ladies have dominated its evolva in the last few years. 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:25.760 And it's like it's because you know, the guys, we 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:27.640 turn on each other as well, and it's like, you know, 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:30.080 let's let's look after each other this time, and you know, 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:32.240 let's get there and have a crack, and let's get 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:33.040 one of us to the end. 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:35.360 And I was pretty keen to battle it out with 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:37.160 some of the some of those guys too. 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:39.200 You know, I'm very competitive, so you know, I wanted 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:41.000 to go up against people like Shay. I wanted to 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:44.160 against people like Mark. I would love to test myself 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:46.440 against those guys. That's that was how I looked at 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:49.000 it as well. But yeah, all that happens is if 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:50.800 the big guys pick each other off, if there's one 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:52.559 of you left in merger, you're going on first. So 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:54.880 that's happens all the time. So well, let's go in 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:58.000 together and have strength in numbers and let's let's take 0:10:58.000 --> 0:10:58.680 control of the game. 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:00.560 Well we kind of touched on this little before, but 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:03.120 I thought watching you back your mates Mark and Sam 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:06.120 at that point was really sweet, you know, believing that 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:08.520 they didn't have two idols. Did you feel like you 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:12.160 had no option because you worried what it might have 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:15.360 looked like, it might have shown a slight dissension, or 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:18.480 did you genuinely just not believe that there was two idols? 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:20.480 There was so much more happening, like it was. 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:23.120 Jordi got caught out in a lot of lies through 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:25.520 the whole game, so like his word was more like 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:27.600 the boy of Pride Wolf, so I was like, well, 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:30.320 he's fully lying. And when Jesse got voted out, Jordi 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:32.360 said something to me and Josh that was like stuck 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:34.760 with us. It was like, I can't believe Jesse went 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:36.480 home with his idol those exact words. 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:40.079 So Jesse went home with his idol. And then we 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:42.800 trusted Mark and Sam because they backed us in to 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:46.280 save Josh. And then Jordi says that. Then the very 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:49.840 next day he says, Sam's got it. So there's three 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:52.280 things we trust them. Jordi lies all the. 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:54.920 Time, and then Jesse is such a smart player that 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:57.319 you cannot pitch him giving away an idol. So you've 0:11:57.320 --> 0:12:00.280 got all these things in your mind where it's like't be, 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:03.040 like it just can't be. We found ourselves in a 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:05.400 position where we're like, we could be snooky here because 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:07.560 we need to hold a majority, because as soon as 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:11.440 one of us go for each other, the singles automatically 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:13.319 can swoop in and you know, take us all out. 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:17.240 It's gonna get interesting now. So like Juicy Dave, Pucy, 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:21.839 Dave Bloody ol Man, I was talking to No, he's 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:22.560 the man, he's good. 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:24.880 But you know, we had a plan with Dave and 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:27.080 we said, mate, just stay tight. You know, there's four 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:28.400 of us. We just got to get rid of the 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:30.800 riff raff and then we'll go for those We'll go 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:32.920 for those idols. But I think he just got a 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:36.160 bit excited, jumped the gun and made a very not 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:37.720 because I want to I wish I was still in 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:39.760 the game, but I do think that could have been 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:43.040 executed better. You know, an advantage like that, even if 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:44.840 you leave the two with the idols in there and 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:47.480 then have gladal damage to go one one one or something. 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:50.280 You know, like there's so many ways you can play it. 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:52.520 Like it's just I don't know if I sound crazy 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:54.400 or not, but even if you leave Mark and Sam 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:56.680 in there and put me or someone there and just go. 0:12:57.000 --> 0:12:59.199 One one one, see what happens. Then we're gonna go 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:01.200 to Rocks anyway Sunday morning. 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:04.280 Quarterbacking though, which is always the problem in surviving you 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:06.880 know you're always thinking, oh, do you know what? It's 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:09.600 really amazing, like just bringing up Dave just then, and 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:11.400 you know you could be a little bit cross with him. 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:14.800 But the community behind Australian Survivor is super strong. How 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:18.319 did the team behind this show help that strength? I mean, 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:20.440 is there a way in which you guys are pushed 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:22.960 into letting go of bad feelings? 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:24.160 It all depends on the person. 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:26.840 Like you know, we Me and Josh, you know we've 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:29.800 been through you know, I've lost my dad, I've lost 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:32.079 my brother. So the way I look at life is 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:34.280 a lot different to like how other people do. And 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:36.920 I've been raising sports, so you know, at game is 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:40.560 a game. Like I'm always playing the player, not the person. 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:44.200 So if men, you're playing Survivor, I'm playing against you 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:45.640 as a character in Survivor. 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:47.280 I'm never going to judge you on who you are 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:49.440 as a person. That's just how I am. Like even 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:53.040 kJ last night, you know, I was She's absolutely smoked me. 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:53.800 I should be filtered. 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:56.760 But you know, I shook her hand, gave Rack kiss 0:13:56.800 --> 0:13:58.200 and said, you know, we'll played. It's a game at 0:13:58.200 --> 0:13:59.480 the end of the day, and the end of the 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:02.640 daytab someone in your back, Like so it's like, you 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:05.520 just got to realize you're playing a game here. Sometimes 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:08.200 things will upset you, but you know, it's just a 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:09.840 part of it. And what I would say is like, 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:12.959 if you can't, if you're not ready for that, don't don't. 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:15.400 Play the game. I played Big Brother like Survivor, so 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:17.760 but it was back in the day where Big Brother was, 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:20.480 you know, a personality fun show where a lot of 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:22.120 the people that applied and were on the show just 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:24.400 wanted to be there for this fun experience. And I'd 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:26.080 go to bed every night being like, if I align 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:29.120 with that person, that'll shut down this. And so I 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:32.240 definitely used a lot of what I had learned from 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:34.960 Survivor to be on Big Brother, and a lot of 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:37.120 people in the show we were over, you know, were 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:39.200 really upset with me and said, you know, I can't 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:40.760 believe you did this or you can't believe that, And 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:42.880 I was like, no, I love you, be my friend. 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:45.360 I think you're an amazing person. But I absolutely had 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:46.880 to get rid of you in the competition. 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:49.960 You know, yeah, yeah, what did. 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:50.320 You like better? 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:52.600 Do you like? Which game did you like better? 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:56.040 I don't know. I think that now I'm more programmed 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:59.120 to liking this new format, so you know. And it's also, 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:00.920 you know, it's kind of like if you win something, 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:02.960 you can put that to bed. So like for me, 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:04.760 the fact that the old big Brother's gone, I'm like, 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:07.840 well that I've achieved that, so you know, yeah, that's 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:11.040 an awesome let's do it. Let's do it in the 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:14.560 modern version and the version that's more like Survivor. So anyway, 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:16.360 we're going off on a tangent. We're not supposed to 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:17.040 talk about. 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:19.600 That as we're interesting though. 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:23.160 Yeah, no, no, no, it is. It is you know, the 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:26.040 way in which Shay sacrificed her letter for you guys. 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:29.000 Did she know or would it have been sudden death 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:32.160 to make a more selfish decision and have chosen her 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:32.920 own personal letter? 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:35.480 No, not at all, Like we as much as it 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:37.960 is a game, when something like that comes into the fold, 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:40.520 like a letter or a video, you get sucked back 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:42.560 into the real world. You actually start to get those 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:44.960 emotions coming out, and you know, Shade just come back 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:48.120 from four or four or five days in Purgatuel, and 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:50.880 she was What people won't see is when she came back, 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:53.120 it's like she lost a part of herself, like she 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:55.600 must have struggled out there. So when that letter came 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:58.040 up she bought, she started balling her eyes out, and 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:00.360 you know, all of us were sitting there. We said, Shaye, 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:02.960 just take your letter. We felt like she really deserved it. 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:05.600 We wouldn't have cared like we were so grateful though, 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:08.760 but to see her reaction just as she bought the letter, 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:10.600 she started balling eyes out, So we're all like, Shaye, 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:12.840 just take just please take your letter. Like if you 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:15.000 rewatch the episode again, you'll see us all going, Shay, 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:17.440 just take it. We've got seven days left or however 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:19.880 long we got, you know, like we're this far, we 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:21.680