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Speaker 1: This is Outspoken. The podcast is not afraid to say

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Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy Kate and

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Speaker 1: Sophie Torborth. We're identical triplets, but we often don't have

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Speaker 1: identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers

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Speaker 1: all things reality TV, influencers, entertainment, and issues facing women.

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Speaker 1: That is so fetch Thank you, hello and welcome to Outspoken.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us again. Now I've got to

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Speaker 1: say I'm feeling very strangely relaxed and calm this morning,

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Speaker 1: which is unusual for when we're doing a podcast because

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Speaker 1: normally we've had an argument beforehand about what we're talking about. Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: Well there is a reason. So this morning I went

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Speaker 1: to a staff meeting at as school I'm working.

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Speaker 2: At for a contract job.

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Speaker 1: It's the first time I've met these teachers and youth workers.

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Speaker 1: So I was assuming the first Monday morning staff meeting

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Speaker 1: would be you know, your normal sitting around having a coffee,

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Speaker 1: you discussing kids. I mean, I'm asuming that's what they do.

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Speaker 1: So I was sort of imagining that. Anyway, I get

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Speaker 1: I'm meeting these people and they're like, so we're all

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Speaker 1: gonna lie on the ground and we're gonna do some

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Speaker 1: breathing exercises. And I was thinking, you're shitting me right,

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Speaker 1: like as this said prank. So we're lying there and

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Speaker 1: I'm having to close my eyes with all these strangers,

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Speaker 1: other people around being like, like, you have to do this,

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Speaker 1: like really rapid breathing, which apparently reduces stress in the body.

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Speaker 1: So the science behind it was actually really interesting, but

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Speaker 1: I didn't do any of it properly. I was just

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Speaker 1: lying there thinking, oh my god, this.

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Speaker 1: And you know, you're so relaxed and vulnerable in that

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Speaker 1: situation where you're lying down, and I was thinking, what.

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Speaker 2: If someone fighted? If I fighted, do you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean? Like, this would be so embarrassing.

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Speaker 1: I think we should move swiftly away from the fighting topic.

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Speaker 1: So if you what have you been doing this weekend? Well,

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Speaker 1: we did a bit of furniture shopping, well more window

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Speaker 1: me how much money some people spound on furniture. So

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Speaker 1: some people we know they've recently built a house they've

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Speaker 1: got in games. They bought a brand new car, and

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Speaker 1: Brandon was telling me they bought all of their furniture

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Speaker 1: from this shop in Adelaide called La Provence.

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Speaker 2: So it sounds.

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Speaker 1: So we thought, oh, maybe we'll have a bit of

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Speaker 1: a sus because the new furniture looked amazing. Anyway, we

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Speaker 1: like a chair, one thousand dollars, chest of draws three

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Speaker 1: us because when the three of us moved out of home,

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Speaker 1: to Ikea and bought everything. So our couch was like

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Speaker 1: thought it was normal. Yeah, I thought that was just normal.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, in the same sort of shopping precinct, there

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Speaker 2: So we thought, oh, let's go to where we bought

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Speaker 1: It was from Haggle. We rock up and unbeknownst to me,

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Speaker 1: the store is actually called Haggle Dump. It's not even

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Speaker 1: top quality. It's not Haggle stuff. It's literally the.

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Speaker 1: See, I've been trying to explain this to Sophie. In

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Speaker 1: But as I just thought, how vulgar our friends are

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Speaker 1: literally purchasing from La promoons and we're shopping at Haggle Dump. Well, look, Sophie,

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Speaker 1: maybe if you didn't have to pay double rent and

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Speaker 1: We've heard about it a hundred dimes my health. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: Anyway, seeing all those kids, it made me think how

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Speaker 1: and we have kids. And the bit that I'm looking

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Speaker 1: So head to our Facebook community which has outspoken the

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Speaker 1: It's been described as the modern day chat room, A

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Speaker 1: world has been told to socially distance, Facebook groups are

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Speaker 1: And you can see that Facebook has pumped so much

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Speaker 1: Facebook groups. It's so funny though that you say that,

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Speaker 1: issue we were discussing last week about stands like these

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Speaker 1: are the people that support her and provide her the

442
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Speaker 1: opportunity to be an influencer and have a podcast as

443
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Speaker 1: her main job. So for them, it's really difficult for

444
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Speaker 1: her to start shutting people down in the group. And

445
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Speaker 1: I think that's what started happening in the Shameless group

446
00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,000
Speaker 1: is the girls had to come on and say, hey,

447
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Speaker 1: we don't want you talking about that, and then some

448
00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,320
Speaker 1: people turned against the girls because they didn't like being

449
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Speaker 1: called out like that. And that's what we were talking

450
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Speaker 1: about earlier with the whole turning on the person who

451
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Speaker 1: has the authority voice in the group, which, as you say,

452
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Speaker 1: it is becoming a real issue. I feel with Abby

453
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Speaker 1: Chatfield because she is so personable and so engaged with

454
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Speaker 1: her fans on the podcast group as well as on Instagram.

455
00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,520
Speaker 1: People think that they know her and that they're friends

456
00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,359
Speaker 1: with her. Because I saw she was sharing some frustration

457
00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,560
Speaker 1: while she's in lockdown in a Queensland hotel about the

458
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Speaker 1: fact that people think it's acceptable to tell her that

459
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Speaker 1: she needs to wash her hair or that you know,

460
00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,560
Speaker 1: this sentence wasn't written properly. It seems she was starting

461
00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,040
Speaker 1: to get to the point where everything she does she

462
00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,840
Speaker 1: then gets follow up, and it's not necessarily from trolls.

463
00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,080
Speaker 1: It's actually from people that follow her that think that

464
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Speaker 1: they have the right to tell her what she should say.

465
00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,040
Speaker 1: They think they're helping, but they don't realize it's actually

466
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Speaker 1: extremely critical. But I think that all of that is

467
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Speaker 1: emphasized at the moment because she is in that lockdown

468
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Speaker 1: in that hotel and we were talking about it before.

469
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Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of these fights are breaking

470
00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:14,879
Speaker 1: out at the moment because so many people are in

471
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Speaker 1: lockdown and they're wanting to take their frustrations out on

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Speaker 1: other people. You know, We've seen it from people talking

473
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Speaker 1: in the Abby Chatfield group then wanting to go into

474
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Speaker 1: the She's on the Money group to vent about something,

475
00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,439
Speaker 1: you know, towards Victoria Divine in there, which I think

476
00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,919
Speaker 1: is completely unfair. Oh I saw that unfolding and it

477
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Speaker 1: really annoyed me because it was kind of like it.

478
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Speaker 2: Was a sport.

479
00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,639
Speaker 1: It's like, Oh, who's coming across to the Shees on

480
00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,880
Speaker 1: the Money podcast group with me and starting a fight?

481
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Speaker 1: And it's like, why are people going out of their

482
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Speaker 1: way to start fights? But I think, as you touched on,

483
00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,879
Speaker 1: it's a way to get this energy out of your system.

484
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Speaker 1: For those people in lockdown in Melbourne, I mean, I

485
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Speaker 1: can kind of see why you'd be at the point

486
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Speaker 1: where you're getting fun from arguing with people online. But

487
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Speaker 1: that's where the group think sort of sets in, where

488
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Speaker 1: it's an US versus them situation, which becomes so unhealthy.

489
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Speaker 1: And I think Facebook does have a really big responsibility

490
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,560
Speaker 1: to be doing more about this. I mean, we've seen

491
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Speaker 1: the recent laws pass which say that media organizations and

492
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Speaker 1: perhaps these people in groups will be held responsible for

493
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Speaker 1: some of the bulling or harassment comments that come into

494
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Speaker 1: these groups. So, although those laws are in pace, I

495
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Speaker 1: feel like some responsibility does fall onto Facebook because you know,

496
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,760
Speaker 1: at the moment, really all they're doing is setting up

497
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Speaker 1: parameters for people to answer questions to join a group.

498
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Speaker 1: I don't really think that's enough. Well, I don't know

499
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Speaker 1: if the laws are so much around bullying. The laws

500
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Speaker 1: are more around defamation. So if you are a group

501
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Speaker 1: owner and you leave content up that is defamatory in nature,

502
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Speaker 1: you face being sued for that information that's been put out?

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Speaker 2: Is that in a group? I thought that was only

504
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Speaker 2: media outlets that put.

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Speaker 1: Out I think you've got If you've got a group

506
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Speaker 1: and it's got twenty five thousand people in it, and

507
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Speaker 1: you're defaming somebody in that group, and that's able to

508
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Speaker 1: be seen by twenty five thousand people, then yes, you're

509
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Speaker 1: going to get in trouble having that. Yeah, Shameless did

510
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Speaker 1: touch on a little bit in their Facebook Live. It

511
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Speaker 1: wasn't their main motivation for removing the group, but they

512
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,879
Speaker 1: said they were pleased after they heard those laws pass. Yeah. Well,

513
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,640
Speaker 1: it'll be very interesting to see the backlash because, as

514
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:12,119
Speaker 1: we said, Abby Chatfield only made the decision yesterday to

515
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Speaker 1: kind of restrict her group to only episode threads, so

516
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Speaker 1: it will be very interesting. Let's watch this space idiots

517
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:27,159
Speaker 1: the money, get a pay my mom gage. I've got money,

518
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:35,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna don't get it. I'm cost Let's get into

519
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 1: the pit. And the peak of the social media week,

520
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,800
Speaker 1: and the peak for me had to be seeing Sarah's

521
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Speaker 1: Day celebrate her twenty eighth birthday with a Dolly Varden cake. Now,

522
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,679
Speaker 1: this brought so many memories back for me because it

523
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Speaker 1: was a tradition in our household for Mum to make

524
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Speaker 1: each of us a birthday cake from the Australian Women's

525
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Speaker 1: Weekly Cookbook, and it was so exciting.

526
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Speaker 2: I love it.

527
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Speaker 1: Kate always used to have the pool cake and you'd

528
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Speaker 1: have those paper umbrellas around it and every year they'd

529
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,719
Speaker 1: catch on fire or like people would dip their fingers

530
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,119
Speaker 1: into the jelly because the jelly in the middle was

531
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Speaker 1: like the pool water. It was really funny because we

532
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,440
Speaker 1: were looking at pictures of our cakes a while back,

533
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,119
Speaker 1: and it was so funny because yours were quite girly

534
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 1: and the normal cakes, and then because I was a tomboy,

535
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,640
Speaker 1: mine was like the cricket pitch cake that was so cute,

536
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 1: a pirate as well, crows cake as well. Over It

537
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 1: was so impressive though, because Mum would do all the

538
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Speaker 1: cakes the night before, so we would spend i'd say,

539
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,400
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks looking through the book picking them out,

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Speaker 1: and then the day before the party would be Mum's

541
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Speaker 1: sort of big cooking night. The best part of it

542
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 1: all was coming down in the morning to the dining

543
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Speaker 1: room and seeing how the cakes had come alive at night.

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Speaker 1: Pretty ballsy to do that the night before. You couldn't

545
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Speaker 1: even go if you've got three kids, you couldn't even

546
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Speaker 1: just pop down to.

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Speaker 2: War worst and worst.

548
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Speaker 1: Okay, well they always worked out, ye. Now let's get

549
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 1: into the pit of the social media week, now, Cake,

550
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Speaker 1: can you fill us in? Well, this has been one

551
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Speaker 1: that's been popping up quite a bit, so I thought

552
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 1: I had to mention it. So I don't know if

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00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 1: anyone else follows Mitch. He is Tarlia Skeanes's boyfriend.

554
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,360
Speaker 2: Now I follow he doesn't even have a last name.

555
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: I couldn't think, isn't it Mitch third?

556
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:18,159
Speaker 2: Yes, that's right, that's Oh my god, that's stupid.

557
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 1: Away, It's all making sense.

558
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 2: Wow, I'm so glad we got that realization on air.

559
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,479
Speaker 1: Well anyway, so Mitch has kind of gotten into this

560
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:30,159
Speaker 1: habit of using his girlfriend Talia as a bit of

561
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: a trophy. I don't know, I've kind of been getting

562
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 1: a bit of an off vibe about it, because of

563
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 1: course she is stunning, and she's known for posting her

564
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 1: bikini photos, and it kind of seems like he'll get

565
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 1: her in a moment where she's not aware that she's

566
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Speaker 1: being filmed. So she was packing some of the active

567
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,640
Speaker 1: were parcels in a van to be delivered, and all

568
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,719
Speaker 1: of a sudden her g strings on display and her

569
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 1: pants are like pulled down, and all seemed a bit

570
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 1: of a joke. But then what he'll do as a

571
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: follow up is he'll screenshot all the insights of that

572
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: Instagram story, and a lot of it is people forwarding

573
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 1: that story onto someone else, and then we'll make a

574
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: comment like, oh, guys, you can thank me later. And

575
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 1: the thing is, you could take it that he's being

576
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 1: like a really really proud boyfriend showing her off. But

577
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: then it does kind of remind me of those stories

578
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: about guys who will get risk photos from their girlfriends

579
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 1: and then they'll send them on to their friends. It's

580
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 1: kind of like, yeah, like this it's a weird one though,

581
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,439
Speaker 1: because it's all on Instagram. Well it's kind of like

582
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: he's trying to get clout over having a hot girlfriend.

583
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, which, but that's fine.

584
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: I mean, the thing is she is welcome to share

585
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: whatever she wants, and she's obviously got a great following,

586
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: a great body, and just happy to post whatever photos

587
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 1: make her feel great. But I do admit, honestly, I

588
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: do feel like bit uncomfortable when I see those posts,

589
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 1: because it's like, are you trying to get more followers

590
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 1: by sharing these sort of intimate photos of Talia that

591
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,360
Speaker 1: she might not even be aware that you're taking. Yeah,

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00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: I think it was that secrecy. So yeah, that's something

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00:25:53,320 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 1: that's been making me feel a bit uncomfortable. We wait,

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00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:01,239
Speaker 1: why are you?

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00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 2: Apostrophe are means you are?

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00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: Why do you are? Means you're? Now let's move on

597
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 1: to the latest online dating trend, which is woke fishing.

598
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,360
Speaker 1: Now I kind of can guess what this means. It's

599
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: obviously a bit like catfishing, and it's using the word woke.

600
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 1: So can you tell us exactly what it is.

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00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 2: Well, that's right.

602
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 1: Everyone knows the term catfishing, and if that's of course

603
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 1: when someone pretends to be someone they're not online, But

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00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: woke fishing is a similar concept, but it refers to

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00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: someone who pretends to be woke when they're not. Well.

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00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 2: I mean, you don't explain for those who don't actually

607
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 2: know what woke is.

608
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 1: Because I used the word recently with people my age

609
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: and they didn't.

610
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 2: Know what it was.

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00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: I feel like it's a very twenty twenty word. Yeah, well,

612
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: woke describes someone who is very aware of and involved

613
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 1: in social issues such as racial and social injustices. So

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00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: they trying to get a boyfriend or girlfriend by acting

615
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: like they're woke, or they're trying to trick someone to

616
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 1: see if they're woke.

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00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 2: I'm confused, Okay.

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00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: Well, basically, the Urban Dictionary defines woke fishing as when

619
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 1: a man who is talking to a woman starts asking

620
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 1: her vague questions regarding progressive causes in an effort to

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00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: determine her interest level and then mirror her responses. Said

622
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: man has no interest in the same groups or causes

623
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 1: and is just trying to find commonalities with the girl

624
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: to get her pants, and how funny is this? This

625
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 1: is the example, Guy one, why did you tell Sarah

626
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: you donated to the Black Lives Matter movement?

627
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 2: You hate that group?

628
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: Guy to, Oh, I'm just woke fishing man. I'll be

629
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: in her pants by Saturday, Guy one and Guy too

630
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 1: High five. I feel like there's a lot of woke

631
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 1: fishing happening in regards to the feminist movement. So again,

632
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: in the abby chatfood group, someone made a post about

633
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: how the guy she was talking to on Tinder spoke

634
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: about speaking at an International Women's Day event, but it

635
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: actually backfired on him because she was deeply offended that

636
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: he would take the position of a woman to speak

637
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: at this event.

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00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 2: Well, that's what.

639
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 1: People are finding, is that men are actually putting in

640
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: their bios on dating apps that they're a feminist, so

641
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: then women strike up a conversation about it. The interesting

642
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: thing is that more than ever, people are genuinely looking

643
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: for someone who has morals and values which align with

644
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: their own. So this is why people are taking advantage

645
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: of it and doing this woke fish or do you

646
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: think it's more just because people in the early twenties

647
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 1: are so woke that that's the new thing to try

648
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: and get in their pants over. It's funny you say that,

649
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: because the advice I've always heard is not to mention

650
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: religion or politics when you're meeting someone new, and it

651
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 1: seems like that's actually the new thing that people are

652
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: striking up conversations with. It's kind of like a vetting process. Well,

653
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: the worst thing is because people haven't really been seeing

654
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 1: many people in person, it's allowing the people who are

655
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 1: woke fishing to actually do it.

656
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 2: For such a long time.

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00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: So because you're talking for like a month before you

658
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Speaker 1: meet the person, this person can sit there and spill

659
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: bullshit to you. But that's actually hard to keep up

660
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: because I feel like women these days are, as you said,

661
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: so woke but so educated that they would be able

662
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: to tell if someone's bullshitting them. They're just trying to

663
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: lead up to the point where they meet up and

664
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Speaker 1: then sleep with them. And then these girls are all

665
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: blindsided because they're like, oh my god.

666
00:28:59,080 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 2: He was so woked.

667
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: It's a lot of work, isn't It's a lot of work.

668
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 3: Scarery wel scarlery, Scarllery.

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Speaker 1: Now it is time for social snapshot, and this is

670
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: quickly becoming my favorite segment. Now, Amy, let's kick us

671
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: off with some Reese Hawkins news. Yeah, so, earlier this month,

672
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: Reese Hawkins proposed to his model girlfriend London. And this

673
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: was while they were holidaying in Port Douglas, of course,

674
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Speaker 1: and he proposed with a twenty six thousand dollar Tiffany ring.

675
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: It was a kind of a yellowy color. I couldn't

676
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Speaker 1: tell by the photo. It looked like a canary.

677
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, a canary diamond.

678
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 3: Well.

679
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

680
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: The ring features a yellow square center stone and a

681
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: halo of diamonds around the base and it was presented

682
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: in a baby blue box with the words marry me

683
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: I saw. I was actually thought this was beautiful because

684
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: often you see rings of influences and famous people and

685
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: they're just really garish and those massive rocks. I mean,

686
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Speaker 1: you know, it did cost twenty six thousand dollars, so

687
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: obviously it's not a cheap diamond, but I kind of

688
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: liked that this was tasteful. Well, the thing that shocked

689
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: me is that in the comments some people wrote, oh,

690
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: the ring he gave Tammy hembrew was bigger. So people will,

691
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: of course know that Reese used to be engaged to Tammy,

692
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: and they broke up in twenty eighteen. The other comments

693
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: was yikes, that diamond ring is tiny.

694
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 2: So there was a lot of.

695
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: Conversation going on about how I suppose when you buy

696
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: a ring with Tiffany you might get better value with

697
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: a different jeweler because Tiffany's is such a well known

698
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: brand that their diamonds.

699
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 2: Actually are a bit smaller.

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Speaker 1: As we touched on last week, it just shows how

701
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Speaker 1: unrealistic social media are making people stand. It's about engagement rings.

702
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: If a twenty six thousand canary diamond ring from Tiffany's

703
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: is not good enough anymore, I think it's so vulgar

704
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: to make these comments on other people's rings. I mean,

705
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: that's such a special time for someone and to be

706
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: acting like it's not good enough. I mean, if the

707
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: ring was massive, I'm sure everyone have an issue that,

708
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: Oh it's garish. How shit do you feel like that's

709
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: a twenty six thousand dollar ring, like most people would

710
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: dream of having ring that costs that much and looks

711
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: that beautiful? I mean, how shit do you feel about

712
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: your normal ring?

713
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 2: Of people are bagging that ring now?

714
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: Well, as we said this did the engagement did happen

715
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: about a month ago, but there's sort of these conversations

716
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: about the ring have been sparked recently. And also there's

717
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: some pregnancy rumors about London, so people are jumping the

718
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: gun saying, oh, well, they've got engaged, so she must

719
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: be pregnant. To be honest, after listening to Reese's podcast,

720
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: I think that that's the furthest thing from London's plans

721
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: at the moment. She's openly spoken about how it is

722
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: quite difficult dealing with the two kids as it is,

723
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: so I don't think that that's upcoming from them at all. Yeah, well,

724
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:35,959
Speaker 1: I suppose we'll just have to wait and see if

725
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: any baby bumps start forming. Well. The next social news

726
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: I wanted to get into is about Jonathan Sower, and

727
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: he is, of course Madison Woolly's boyfriend. Now, we were

728
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: very critical on the fact that she was traveling during

729
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: the pandemic. Now you think that some of this might

730
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: have entered their brains before that. She's heard the feedback

731
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: as well. Sorry, she's listened to the podcast. For those

732
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: who don't know, we're aware she did her taco miokbunk,

733
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: so she knows that people are discussing anyway. So Jonathan

734
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: her boyfriend thought it was appropriate to jump on his

735
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: Insta story and ask people for suggestions of where they

736
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: should stay in Threadboat in the next coming weeks because

737
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: they've decided they need another holiday. Can I just say

738
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: a holiday from what seriously? Of the boat parties and stuff.

739
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: I mean, can you imagine being an influencer and thinking

740
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: it's normal to go on holidays like every three weeks?

741
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: But I just I mean, you've been criticized for being

742
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: tone deaf and then you're taking it to the next

743
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: level of putting a question box like that. Just fucking

744
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: Google at least their holiday and within New South Wales.

745
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: That's all I've got to say. Can't say, isn't influence

746
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: a holiday? You know? For Jonathan and Madison? Is that

747
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: a holiday where they just don't take photos? Because every

748
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: time they go on a holiday, they're.

749
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 2: Like, I've just been working.

750
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: Come on, I'm sure it is a work Troe payment.

751
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's a very serious work trip. Buthe they've

752
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: got to show off some ski gear or something. Yeah,

753
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: take their emails and whatever else they do. Yeah, we'll

754
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: watch that one as it unfolds. Now, to wrap up

755
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: this segment, we thought we'd do a sneaky update on

756
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: how our favorite and not so favorite influencers are fairing

757
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: on Social Blade. Now, for those who don't know, Social

758
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: Blade is a website where you can pop in and

759
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,239
Speaker 1: influencers Instagram or YouTube account. Well, we can actually really

760
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,959
Speaker 1: put in anyone, so it's on a business account and

761
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: it will tell you how many followers.

762
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 2: They are gaining and losing throughout. Well, it's sort of.

763
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: A daily update really, but yeah, we can do a

764
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: monthly wrap.

765
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 2: Which is quite interesting.

766
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: Now, this was so much fun. I recommend anyone who's

767
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: got a spare afternoon to jump on this platform because

768
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: it is so interesting. You feel like you're behind the

769
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: scenes and seeing what's really going on. So we first

770
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,239
Speaker 1: took a look at Chloe Zep and Mitchell Orville. Now,

771
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: they of course have had a baby recently, so we

772
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: predicted that their following would have jumped hugely. Do you

773
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: know what, it also could have reduced because some people

774
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: are sick of baby spam. I think alternatively, you get

775
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: a new community of people wanting to follow you. So

776
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: for the month, Chloe Zep's following has jumped by fifty

777
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: five hundred and fifty followers, and Mitchell's has jumped to

778
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: by forty three thousand, and the YouTube channel has also

779
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: jumped by eighteen thousand. Now that is an absolutely huge jump.

780
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 1: I'm actually loving all their content, so I'm really happy

781
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: for them because they're so real and raw, and I

782
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 1: think it's really well deserved because they've actually been posting

783
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: a lot of content as well. And you know what,

784
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,919
Speaker 1: fifty thousand is a lot for Chloe because she's now

785
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 1: on six hundred and fifty thousand followers, so it's not

786
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 1: like she had millions before. Now let's conversely, we'll take

787
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 1: a look at Reese Hawkins, who we were talking about before,

788
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: and Tammy Hembro. Now, although Reese has entered this new

789
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: chapter of his life getting engaged, people don't seem to

790
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: like that he has dropped by eighty seven hundred and

791
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,320
Speaker 1: thirty followers this month. Let's be honest, though, I'm guessing

792
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: that a lot of those people who have unfollowed are

793
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: Tammy's fans, and they've got we don't want to see

794
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: him with London because there seems to be this sort

795
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: of underlying, whether it's true or not, this underlying beef

796
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: between Tammy and London. Well, Conversely, Tammy has grown by

797
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: fifty four thousand followers, so that's very interesting.

798
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

799
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, there were a few that didn't shock me

800
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: because we had a lo look at Sammy Robinson and

801
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: while she is one of my former favorite people to

802
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,439
Speaker 1: follow on YouTube, her content has been pretty crap since

803
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 1: she's brought out one Mile. I mean, it was always

804
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: a little bit crap, but I watch it. I can't

805
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: get over how on the one mile Instagram account they're

806
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: sharing how to make a packet cake and you're like,

807
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: how was this interesting? To be fair, I was gonna say,

808
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: I mean, back in the day, I remember watching Sammy

809
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: Robinson unstack her dishwasher and I was just loving it.

810
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: So I can see that the issue is they're trying

811
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: to drive heaps of followers over to the one mile

812
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,760
Speaker 1: Instagram account, but completely neglecting the followers that are already

813
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: on her Instagram and YouTube channel. Yeah. Well, so Sammy's

814
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: Instagram has taken a hit. She's lost four thousand, two

815
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: hundred and ninety followers this month, and then also one

816
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: thousand on YouTube. And it's the same for Michael finch

817
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 1: AND's chiny Grim and Michael's dropped by seven thousand, two

818
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty followers on Instagram, three thousand on YouTube,

819
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: and Chinese is also dropping large number, but she has

820
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: lost six nine hundred and thirty followers and that is

821
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 1: a continual thing. Do you guys think that they'd panic

822
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: if they saw this kind of stuff, because I'm pretty

823
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: sure if your job is social media, you would be

824
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,760
Speaker 1: looking each day at whether your follower rate had dropped.

825
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: I mean, because if you're dropping seven thousand a month,

826
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,399
Speaker 1: that's eighty four thousand a year.

827
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:20,399
Speaker 2: Things start to.

828
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: Get really serious. As I've said last week, we did

829
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: have high hopes for Shani that she would continue her

830
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: raw and real content like she did in Quarantine, But

831
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: I haven't seen anything since she's got out. Do you

832
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: think that's because she's having too much fun, probably be

833
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: bothered to pick up the camera. Well, I'm hoping she

834
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: does some sort of moving vlog or something, because she's

835
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 1: just obviously again redecorating another home. Well. Another influencers following

836
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: count that I was really interested in looking at with

837
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: Sarah's Day, and Sarah's Day has been quite divisive over

838
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, so I was really keen

839
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:51,479
Speaker 1: to see if her.

840
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 2: Following had dropped.

841
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: It actually hasn't. It's been increasing by around two point

842
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: four thousand a month. Do you know what, though, when

843
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: you put it into perspective of the fa that she

844
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: has over a million followers on Instagram, you know that

845
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: percentage increase isn't as much as you would actually think.

846
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: But I think it's due to the fact that she

847
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: has always consistently put out content, whereas the likes of

848
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 1: Michael Finch and Shiny Grumman, as we've said before, they

849
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: have just absolutely dropped off the radar. Yeah, well, let's

850
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: just close on a bit of a disappointing one. I know.

851
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: We said back when we did our original podcast about

852
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 1: Madison Woolly's tone deaf behavior that it would be interesting

853
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: to see how her follower count fared. Well.

854
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 2: She has actually, in this.

855
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: Month gained four five hundred and ninety followers. Now that's

856
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: pretty massive, isn't it. But it's interesting to actually note

857
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: that last week, during all this sort of hoopla, she

858
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: lost two thousand. So you never know what's going on.

859
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: And then he does like he did last night. He's

860
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: a sucky person. He's a sucky person.

861
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 2: Lauren.

862
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: I hate Spencer. I'm never gonna like Spencer. Now let's

863
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: get into the reality wrap. Now, I'm going to start

864
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: off and be pretty honest. The Bachelor has been shit

865
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: and I've stopped watching it, has anyone else, And.

866
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 2: I've got some episodes I need to catch up on.

867
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like I will catch up, but I

868
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: don't have any motivation to do.

869
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 2: What's I do it?

870
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: The only reason I actually have him watching The Bachelor

871
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: is to keep up with the So Dramatic podcast. Yeah,

872
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: I totally agree, That's the only reason I would keep

873
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Speaker 1: watching it. How funny was the So Dramatic podcast about

874
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Speaker 1: Amanda from Maths. So those who haven't caught up with this,

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Speaker 1: Amanda from Maths posted a GoFundMe page so she could

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Speaker 1: try and move from Melbourne to Queensland. Now, firstly, what

877
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Speaker 1: Victorian doesn't want to move away from Queensland? Yeah, so

878
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: basically she was asking people to jenate. It was up

879
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 1: to ten thousand dollars she was after to relocate her business.

880
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: And what actually happened is the So Dramatic Podcast ended

881
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: up sharing a screenshot of this go fund me account

882
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: and a lot of people were understandably posting like how ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Is this that she's.

884
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: Asking for all this money? And then Amanda's slipped into

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Speaker 1: the So Dramatics podcast dms abused poor Megan pasetto and

886
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: so what Megan's done is gone, Okay, I'm going to

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00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: share this audio DM on the podcast good on Her.

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Speaker 2: My stomach was hurting. I was laughing so much.

889
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I lost it because it was like,

890
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Speaker 1: you are a piece of shit.

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00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 2: It's so funny.

892
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: And I just love the fact that Amanda did a

893
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: follow up video calling out the trolls. And she's dripping

894
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: in gold jewelry and her nails and perfectly manicured, and

895
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: she's wearing a for Sachi jacket like it was just gold.

896
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: The whole thing is just so vulgar.

897
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 2: It just kept giving. Did she not.

898
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Speaker 1: Show that video to someone and say, hey, do you

899
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: think there's videos okay to put up? And they would

900
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: have gone, hey, mate, just take off the gold chain,

901
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: take off your Vasachi jumper. Yeah, you know, chill, or

902
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: maybe just don't post anything at all. It's you know,

903
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: it's worth noting that that video has been deleted, Thank goodness.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about SO Dramatics enemies. Jamie Duran has come

905
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Speaker 1: back into the news feed because on Sunday Night, he

906
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: decided to take a screenshot of himself wearing a suit

907
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: on The Bachelor and point out the fact that Lockie

908
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: wore the same suit on premiere night. So he wrote

909
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,879
Speaker 1: this suit I know, well, he wrote, ah, so that's

910
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 1: where the suit I left in the crack house in

911
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: Verticoma's mansion, went You're welcome, Lockie Gilbert, and then alongside

912
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Speaker 1: the photo he also added budget cuts at Channel ten.

913
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Speaker 1: I mean it's only the premiere. I mean, I'm living

914
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Speaker 1: for this commentary. This is the most exciting thing about

915
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: this bachelotte exactly right. Well that she funny picked up

916
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: on that, and they also posted the picture and they wrote,

917
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 1: why is Jamie and Lockey wearing the same suit? Producers

918
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: couldn't change it up with a different color? Can I

919
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 1: just say that it's a tuxedo? Like, how can we

920
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: tell it's not different? Well, it was pretty similar anyway,

921
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: but all suits are.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

923
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Speaker 1: Well, Jamie's written back, not much money in a show

924
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: that gets south of five hundred thousand viewers an episode

925
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: in less ratings than antique road show.

926
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Speaker 2: So I wonder if Channel.

927
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Speaker 1: Ten will be using any of this communication in the

928
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Speaker 1: lawsuit against them. Let's get into awkward turtle, and we

929
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: did tease this in our last episode. This awkward turtle

930
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: involves an interview, So and I did with the podcast

931
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Speaker 1: My Millennial Money Now. Sophie wrung me up earlier in

932
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: the day and said, Hey, do you think I should

933
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Speaker 1: bring my puppy Archie along to this interview. So we

934
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Speaker 1: were doing this interview in our little podcast studio and

935
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Speaker 1: we had them on the phone on zoom our podcast studio.

936
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Speaker 2: This spare bedroom in your house. I'm trying to be

937
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 2: professionally here to office.

938
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Speaker 1: Really yeah, So anyway, I said, no, can you just

939
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Speaker 1: not bring the dog because he's either just zonked out

940
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: or he starts barking and scratching.

941
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 2: So what did you do?

942
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: So well, I brought him along because I left his

943
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: breakfast at your house. But that's a different issue anyway.

944
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: So basically Archie was just up and about. He was

945
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,280
Speaker 1: up and about, wasn't it. He was ripping at things,

946
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 1: he was barking, he was trying to bite cords. Everyone

947
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 1: at Millennial Money was actually so lovely and really patient

948
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Speaker 1: with us, and we're like, I'm so sorry, we'll put

949
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: Archie in the backyard, so so popped him in the backyard.

950
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Speaker 1: We begin recording the podcast again and then actually starts

951
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 1: setting off the German shepherd Kiki next door, and Kiki

952
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: is just going nuts. Yeah, So then what happened is

953
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: we brought Archie back in he starts barking again, so

954
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 1: we had to pause the interview. Sophie had to drive

955
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: her dog home. She only lives about ten minutes away

956
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: from me. While this is all happening, I decided to

957
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: move all of our podcast Giar into the shed. So

958
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: during this interview, Sophie is sitting on an eski in

959
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: our shed. I'm standing up.

960
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Speaker 2: And I didn't even know what was going on. Can

961
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 2: I just interject?

962
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: I literally felt like crying in the car, like you know,

963
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: when you just look so unprofessional that I'm having to

964
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: drive my dog back like it was so embarrassing. The

965
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: funniest thing was Sophie, as you said, sop snapchatted this

966
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Speaker 1: whole incident, and Mum got it and she's like, oh,

967
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: I saw a snapchat of you. Were you singing? I

968
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Speaker 1: was like, no, I was recording a podcast. Well, I

969
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Speaker 1: for one can't wait to hear the recording of this podcast.

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Speaker 1: When does it come out? I think it's like next month,

971
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Speaker 1: so we'll keep you guys posted. Well that's all we've

972
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Speaker 1: got time for today. Thank you so much for listening,

973
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,240
Speaker 1: and if you would like to continue the conversation, please

974
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: check out our Facebook group which is outspoken the podcast community.

975
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 1: And also a big thank you to everybody who did

976
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Speaker 1: go and leave us a positive review and Apple podcast charts.

977
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Speaker 2: We would love.

978
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 1: If you did enjoy the show, if you could go

979
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: on if you haven't already, and also leave us a review.

980
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: And if you did enjoy the show, please share it

981
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Speaker 1: to your Insta story and tag us because we really

982
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 1: love to see where you're listening to the podcast from

983
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: and it also helps us get the podcast out to

984
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 1: the masses.

985
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Speaker 3: From Bring special rappens, no turnstnouns from trips, the ripens,

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Speaker 3: the strings, mapleman, not turn st st breaksps from brin

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Speaker 3: special straps, no times as strong, drink, special raps, no

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Speaker 3: turn special penns. Bring special macss

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Speaker 1: Yeah