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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken Plus.

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Speaker 2: It's your extra dose of the hottest influencer and pop

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Speaker 2: culture news. I'm Sophie Turba and coming up on today's show,

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Speaker 2: The Australian Open Influencer Dilemma and Maddie Jay's vasectomy Backflip

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Speaker 2: the first Sammy Robinson has been named the global face

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Speaker 2: of Bondi Sans. The fashion label founder announced the news

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Speaker 2: on Instagram, saying eighteen year old Sammy is screaming.

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Speaker 3: I feel like it's a great pick by Bondi Sands

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Speaker 3: because she really epitomizes the brand.

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Speaker 1: She's a perfect face for it.

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Speaker 3: She's been working with them for over ten years now,

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Speaker 3: and she explained that this is a year long roll,

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Speaker 3: so she's never actually been an ambassador before. And Bondi

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Speaker 3: Sands has four different ambassadors, so there's two US ambassadors,

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Speaker 3: they are the Mean Twins and then Chloe Burrows from

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Speaker 3: Love Island UK is the UK ambassador. So they all

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Speaker 3: had a bigger event in Sydney recently where Sammy was

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Speaker 3: in attendance, and Sammy vlogged from the event and I

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Speaker 3: am a sucker for Sammy Robinson vlog o.

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Speaker 2: Kay, you said that you can't think of anyone else

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Speaker 2: who'd be a good Bondi Sands ambassador.

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Speaker 1: I'm a bit offended.

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Speaker 2: I have literally been repping Bondi Sands i'd say for

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Speaker 2: ten years as well, but I don't always do a

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Speaker 2: good job of doing it myself. As OG's will know

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Speaker 2: from quite a few years ago now, the incident at

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Speaker 2: Audi where my pants were flipped inside out and I

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Speaker 2: had a green tan going on.

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Speaker 3: That's not really the look they're going for, is it.

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Speaker 1: That actually wasn't Bondi Sands fault as well.

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Speaker 2: It's because I didn't realize, Well, no, I didn't realize

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Speaker 2: I'm lazy and I never used to wash my glove

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Speaker 2: And apparently if you leave it to festa for too long,

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Speaker 2: you then end up wiping old Town on yourself that's

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Speaker 2: turned green. That's a bit of a fun fact for

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Speaker 2: anyone out there who's learning to starting to tan for

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Speaker 2: the first time. Surely most people clean their glove after

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Speaker 2: using it, Like that's not really a hack, is it,

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Speaker 2: Because you just had like a complete grub again, So

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Speaker 2: if you're like the time you admitted that you didn't

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Speaker 2: wash your towels, I actually think a lot of people

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Speaker 2: wouldn't wash theirs after every use. I mean, when you're

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Speaker 2: an avid fake tanner like myself and you do it

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Speaker 2: on the regular every week, it gets you know, once

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Speaker 2: off because you don't want to get.

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Speaker 1: Water on yourself.

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Speaker 3: I saw in a recent vlog with Zoe Ray, a

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Speaker 3: UK influencer, and she was asking her husband Danny Ray,

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Speaker 3: if she should tan before a High Rocks event, and

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Speaker 3: he's like, no, no, please, you really don't need to tan.

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Speaker 3: And she's like, Danny doesn't like the orange elbows and.

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Speaker 2: Knees, and I was like, oh my gosh, that's hilarious.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of men don't. I probably didn't

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my husband always gets upset when I say it's

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Speaker 3: tanning night. He's like, I just can't stand the smell.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I also use Bondi Sands, but I used

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Speaker 3: to love Loving tan, but it's so much more expensive

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Speaker 3: that I kind of had to downgrade to Bondi Sounds.

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Speaker 3: It's funny because when Sammy was talking in her vlog before,

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Speaker 3: she said that she was the Bondi Sands Ambassador. I

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Speaker 3: for them and it looked different. I'm assuming that they

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Speaker 3: maybe got like a professional in to sprit it. But

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Speaker 3: it is so hard to tan your hands right.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I never can.

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Speaker 2: I used to get told that it looked like I

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Speaker 2: had white gloves on because I'd always wash my hands

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Speaker 2: to the bar, through etc. And yeah, it was not

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Speaker 2: in the past that I look like an avatar because

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Speaker 2: sometimes I come out just fully in the nude, just

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Speaker 2: with the tan on, just to make him laugh. I

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Speaker 2: don't know, I just put so much on and it

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Speaker 3: Isn't that a humbling experience, particularly postpart it doing a

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Speaker 3: tan in front of a mirror nude You're like, well,

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Speaker 3: the other night I had some of Dale's friends over

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Speaker 3: and I said, you just don't realize that the people

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Speaker 1: Are tan, do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: Like it's They're like, no, no, we actually really like

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Speaker 3: I need to hear, because when I need the motivation

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you really want to be impressing Dale's mates. No,

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Speaker 2: but so many of them were agreeing that they hate

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Speaker 3: I think it's more that they don't want to put

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Speaker 3: up with the upkeeper fake tan when their partner does it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but a lot of these guys were single, so

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Speaker 3: Over the last two weeks, and influx of influences have

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Speaker 3: descended on Melbourne Park to promote the Australian Open, one

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Speaker 3: courtside selfie at a time. Their presence has clearly paid off,

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Speaker 3: with the tournament attracting record breaking crowds. However, not everyone

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Speaker 3: is happy. Tennis fans claim influences are changing the Grand

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's been a lot of change with the tournament.

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Speaker 3: So over the last couple of years, the Australian Opens

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Speaker 3: marketing team has been working very much in overdrive to

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Speaker 3: I've been to the Australian Open twice. One was nine

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Speaker 3: really like talk and cheese. So they have created this

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Speaker 3: watching any of the tennis. And this year the marketing

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Speaker 3: to do that, they've invited what media are calling an

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems to be in overdrive this year. I

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Speaker 2: think it has been gradually growing though, because over the

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Speaker 2: years we have seen a lot of influencers invited to

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Speaker 2: sit in key positions during the games, but it's on drugs.

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Speaker 2: This year, every influence I know seems to be at

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And historically it's been the brands that have invited

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Speaker 3: and Tennis Australia's Director of Content, Brief Stewart said, we

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Speaker 3: Tennis Australia, who run the Australian Open, have created the

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Speaker 3: AO Creators Lounge where creators can film, edit and work.

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Speaker 3: It sounds like it's also a way to make the

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Speaker 3: have been using it as motivation to create even more content,

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Speaker 3: because the more content you create, the more times you

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Speaker 3: the creator. So they claimed that they had to create

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Speaker 3: AO Creators Lounge, and they were quoted saying some people

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Speaker 3: don't think we work for our money, but twenty edited

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Speaker 3: That's a minimum equivalent of sixty thousand dollars in TikTok,

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Speaker 3: so I think they're talking about contra there. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: That's crazy. It's not even tickets.

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Speaker 3: So the Australian Openers come out and said that they

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Speaker 3: impressions you get, the more you're rewarded. So the rewards

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Speaker 3: include guided backstage tours, accreditation to access the grounds, invites

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Speaker 3: So you've probably been seeing the likes of Sophi Dopher

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Speaker 3: Like I think Anna macavoy was posting that she was

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but like, if we got the opportunity to

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but you can see what people are just

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Speaker 2: Saying that in terms of the twenty videos that TikToker

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Speaker 3: Well, I assume us to do with exclusivity, and everyone

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Speaker 3: a big perk. I mean, we've been to the tennis before, Sophie.

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Speaker 3: We were invited by New Balance, and it's chaotic there,

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Speaker 2: but you still had to stay up late and do it, like,

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Speaker 2: I don't think we should be belittling content creators work.

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Speaker 2: Did you guys see that Millie Ford ran into world

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Speaker 1: No? I didn't.

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Speaker 3: I remember one year because we are such big tennis

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Speaker 1: No, we did.

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Speaker 3: There was one who do We saw Bouchard and I said,

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Speaker 3: oh my god, can I please get a photo? She

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Speaker 1: I can't remember his name, but he was out the front.

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Speaker 1: But like, I actually don't care. We're just here to

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Speaker 1: see Rafael Nadal.

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Speaker 2: This new influx of influences, though, seems to be upsetting

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Speaker 2: a lot of long term tennis fans. They have been

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Speaker 2: slamming influences for lacking tennis etiquette and complaining that they're

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Speaker 2: too busy creating content to watch the game, which is

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Speaker 2: essentially the whole reason why they are there. One fan

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Speaker 2: I've witnessed them on their phones talking leaving early, and

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Speaker 3: It's very similar to when Taylor Swift cop flak forgetting

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Speaker 2: In the defense of people who are pissed off about it,

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Speaker 3: But she said, there's literally nowhere where there isn't a

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Speaker 2: Her anger in a different way other than smashing. You know,

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Speaker 2: So it was back in August, if you'll believe it, So,

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Speaker 2: She admitted that the conversation didn't go down as well

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Speaker 1: One follower wrote, I think Matt just gave me the ick. Sorry, Laura,

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Speaker 1: It's the least the man can do. Another wrote, Matt

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Speaker 3: It's just laughable that Matt says that he's annoyed about

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Speaker 3: short term side effects of having a vasectomy include pain

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Speaker 2: Well, as you can imagine, she was forced to release

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Speaker 2: his part in contraception and is happy to wear a condom.

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Speaker 2: She said she is the one who prefers that he

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Speaker 3: I actually heard Chainless talking on their Friday show about

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Speaker 3: let's not jump to calling him a pussy and a

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Speaker 3: for so many women who have experienced men not taking

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Speaker 3: comes to contraception. Now, last week, Life on Cut released

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Speaker 4: We had a big chat about viseectimes last year. Where

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Speaker 5: it in, I'll speak to someone to try and book

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Speaker 5: it in next week.

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Speaker 4: Really, yeah, how do you feel about it now?

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Speaker 5: I still think I'm going to get like a sample

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Speaker 5: of sperm frozen.

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Speaker 4: Are you doing that in case we separate and you

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Speaker 4: have like a new wife and you need some sperm

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Speaker 4: for her or is it just you just to keep

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Speaker 4: it old time?

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Speaker 5: Like if you're gonna if you're going to cement over

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Speaker 5: the well, get one more bucket out before you do that.

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Speaker 1: What are you going to do with that bucket? Is

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Speaker 1: it gonna You're gonna keep it.

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Speaker 5: Just just in case, who knows?

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Speaker 4: Do you know?

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Speaker 5: I want the bucket.

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Speaker 3: It kind of reminds me of how Steph Cles Smith's

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Speaker 3: husband Josh Miller, was trying to tell himself that it

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Speaker 3: was all going to be okay because the procedure could

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Speaker 3: be reversed if needed. Yeah, it's interesting to go in

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Speaker 3: with that mindset. I do love that Laura joked, is

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Speaker 3: this because we're getting separated? Because I actually think that

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Speaker 3: that would be a genuine concern for a lot of

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Speaker 3: women if their husband was like, oh, I just want

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Speaker 3: to keep this backed up just in case. Yeah, Well

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Speaker 3: you would be like, well why, I mean, particularly because

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Speaker 3: Laura is set to turn forty this year, and not

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Speaker 3: that you obviously can't have children in your forties, but

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Speaker 3: it does get a lot more difficult. And they've also

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Speaker 3: been quite adamant on the fact that this is their

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Speaker 3: last baby. Well, it doesn't sound like Laura is actually

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Speaker 3: that certain on it. She said that she knows they.

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Speaker 2: Shouldn't have any more kids because she feels like they

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Speaker 2: wouldn't be able to manage a fourth, but she doesn't

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Speaker 2: like the idea of not having an option.

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Speaker 1: She said it feels weird to her.

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Speaker 3: I just don't understand. If this is how these people feel,

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Speaker 3: then why are they getting the vasectomy. It's like, what

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Speaker 3: is the push for.

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Speaker 2: I suppose it's because they don't want to use the

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Speaker 2: pill or other forms of contraception. I think they see

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Speaker 2: it as a form of contraception that can be reversed.

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Speaker 1: I just find that bizarre.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you're looking at contraception, there are other

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Speaker 3: methods to use that aren't so permanent. Like, yes, in

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Speaker 3: some cases you can reverse a vasectomy, but you know

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Speaker 3: that's really banging to go through for Mattie Jay's Yeah,

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Speaker 3: if Mattie Jay is concerned about the pain of going

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Speaker 3: through the initial phaseectomy, I hardly doubt he's going to

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Speaker 3: go through a reversal to have a fourth trib.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing.

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Speaker 2: On Life on Cut's most recent episode that dropped this week,

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Speaker 2: Laura revealed more about Maddie's decision to book in a

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Speaker 2: Forseecto me So. She said that despite them having a newborn,

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Speaker 2: their resolution for twenty twenty six was that they wanted

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Speaker 2: to spend more time together and have more sex, and

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Speaker 2: they were able to kick this challenge off whilst they

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Speaker 2: were away at their holiday house because she said that

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Speaker 2: the kids were really well behaved and Poppy was sleeping

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Speaker 2: really well. But it actually resulted in Laura having to

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Speaker 2: get two morning after pills in the space of two weeks.

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Speaker 2: So she said, the first time she went into the

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Speaker 2: small coastal towns chemist, she had Poppy strapped to her

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Speaker 2: and she tried to subtly ask for the morning after pill,

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Speaker 2: and it turned out that the chemist was actually a

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Speaker 2: Life Uncut listener who told her on the slide, oh,

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Speaker 2: I love the podcast. So she said that that actually

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Speaker 2: comforted her though, because she's like, well, this woman already

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Speaker 2: knows so much about my sex life as it is,

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Speaker 2: she's one of the people.

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Speaker 1: She's not judging me here in this scenario.

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Speaker 2: The second time round, Laura ended up sending Maddie Jay

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Speaker 2: in to go and get it, because she said, I

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Speaker 2: don't want to be going back there in the space

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Speaker 2: of two.

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Speaker 3: Weeks, particularly if a Life on Cut listener was in there.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, the pharmacist was apparently very young looking. Maddie j

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Speaker 2: said that he didn't look old enough to actually be

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Speaker 2: a pharmacist, and he said, I can't actually give it

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Speaker 2: to you.

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Speaker 1: It needs to be for the patient. The patient needs

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Speaker 1: to come in.

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Speaker 2: Somehow, Maddie Ja talked to him around and ended up

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Speaker 2: getting Laura on the phone, and she didn't realize she

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Speaker 2: was a loud speaker, and she told the pharmacist that

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Speaker 2: she had to have the pill because her husband is

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Speaker 2: irresponsible and she now needs it twice in two weeks.

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Speaker 2: So everyone in the chemist heard her say this.

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Speaker 3: See I was thinking, why the hell would you air

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Speaker 3: this on your national podcast that gets you know, hundreds

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Speaker 3: of thousands of downloads. But I kind of get it

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Speaker 3: now because sometimes you take the power back by publicly

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Speaker 3: talking about it and sort of having a joke, Whereas

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Speaker 3: you know, potentially the Life on Cut listener could have

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Speaker 3: spread that around and you know, added a bit of

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Speaker 3: mayo onto it. So I can see why they actually

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Speaker 3: did acknowledge it on the podcast. Well if they were

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Speaker 3: also worried that someone might go to the press about

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Speaker 3: it and say, oh, pregnancy scare.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I can imagine that appearing on the Daily Mail.

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Speaker 3: Well I'm pretty sure the Daily Mail are going to

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Speaker 3: write something about it anyway, because the buzzword proseectomy and

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Speaker 3: also Morning After Peel in a headline that's going to

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Speaker 3: get a lot of clicks. It's funny because we spoke

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Speaker 3: about Steph cles Smith's husband Josh Miller's for sect to

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Speaker 3: Me on our podcast probably a couple of months ago now,

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Speaker 3: and when you look at the analytics, that headline got

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Speaker 3: a lot of downloads, and I think it's because of

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Speaker 3: the term for sectomy. We had a bit of back

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Speaker 3: and forth about whether we should use it in the title,

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Speaker 3: and I mean, I'm glad we did it worked.

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Speaker 1: Should we use it in this title? That my guess, Yeah, maybe.

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Speaker 3: Mattie Jay's pected me if that does end up being

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Speaker 3: the title, you know why we've Well, Laura did say

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Speaker 3: that it was this experience that seemed to put fear

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Speaker 3: into Maddie Jay about having a fourth child and that

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Speaker 3: actually tipped him over the edge of trying to lock

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Speaker 3: in a time for his vasectomy.

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Speaker 1: So I mean it's worked in her favor there.

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Speaker 3: Well, that is where we're going to leave things today.

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