WEBVTT - Rachel Barber

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<v Speaker 1>Fifteen year old Rachel Barber had everything going for her.

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<v Speaker 1>She was incredibly talented, a dancer training full time. She

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<v Speaker 1>was popular, loved by her family who were very close,

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<v Speaker 1>and by her beautiful boyfriend, an equally gorgeous and loving

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<v Speaker 1>person in his own right. And she was beautiful, strikingly so.

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<v Speaker 1>She was tall, slim, dark hair, and striking piercing green eyes.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be very easy to envy Rachel, but she

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<v Speaker 1>was too pure. She was too kind and loving and

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<v Speaker 1>full of life to everyone but one person. One person

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<v Speaker 1>saw Rachel as having the life they would never have,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's why Rachel ended up murdered. Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the truly harrowing story of fifteen year old

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<v Speaker 1>Rachel Barber.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god. I know a little bit about this,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm scared of what you're about to tell me.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey there, everybody, welcome to not Another Crime podcast. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>Georgia Love, I'm Semmi Peterson.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a journalist.

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<v Speaker 2>I am not. But I'll tell you what if you

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<v Speaker 2>want to skip ahead and just listen to the story,

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<v Speaker 2>The time code on how to do that or just

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<v Speaker 2>actually does a time code is in the show not But.

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<v Speaker 1>Before you do if anyone is doing that. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to give a preface to this week's Thursday Treat episode

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<v Speaker 1>because it's related to the story. So don't skip ahead

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<v Speaker 1>just yet. Not just yet, maybe don't at all, but

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<v Speaker 1>definitely not yet. So this Thursday's Treat is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a real treat, indeed, because I have another podcast

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<v Speaker 1>called Everyone Has an X Yes, And this Thursday we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to actually have an episode of that podcast as

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<v Speaker 1>our Thursday Treat because it's about this story. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's all I'll say now, because it's a special

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<v Speaker 1>treat for you to listen to on Thursday. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it is related to this story and we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>drop that for you on Thursday. So if you are

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<v Speaker 1>listening to this story and you want to know more,

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<v Speaker 1>hear more here one person's view of its side of it,

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<v Speaker 1>their story. Yeah, listening it on Thursday.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, And if you did skip ahead, f off

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<v Speaker 2>say that because I don't know they don't know that.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing is we can actually say that.

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<v Speaker 2>You can say here.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you guys know anyone who is a skiperheader.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah good, yeah, tell them off, tell them off on

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<v Speaker 2>for us, past off on. That's that's quite hard to say.

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<v Speaker 2>On my other podcast, Confessions, there is a new episode

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<v Speaker 2>up already with the great Gareth Reynolds if you want

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<v Speaker 2>to listen to that. Gareth is one of the funniest

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<v Speaker 2>people ever and I was very excited to record with

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<v Speaker 2>him over a wonderful thing called Zoom dot com. It

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<v Speaker 2>makes everything harder, Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because ideas always a little bit of a delay,

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<v Speaker 1>always always, So it's.

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<v Speaker 2>A program on the computer. Thank you now?

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<v Speaker 1>That the thing I have to record that my other

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<v Speaker 1>podcast on.

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<v Speaker 2>If it has an x available on all of the apps.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, and there's a new season out of the Mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's available in all of.

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<v Speaker 1>All of all of the podcast apps. It's not available

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<v Speaker 1>on for instance.

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<v Speaker 2>Flow tracker.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not available on flow Tracker, flow Tracker, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>available on me.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know why you can't think of any apps

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<v Speaker 2>at all.

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<v Speaker 1>I was about to say Spotify, but it is.

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<v Speaker 2>It is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not available on the email your.

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<v Speaker 2>One very good, but it can.

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<v Speaker 1>Can email us at Sammy at just another company dot.

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<v Speaker 2>Com if you want to get in touch on don't

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<v Speaker 2>you also send us a voicemail because we.

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<v Speaker 1>What are other apps? Pace day?

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<v Speaker 2>There's so many apps what are you talking about this

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<v Speaker 2>YouTube app?

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<v Speaker 1>But it is available on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh is it?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wait, no, that sounds.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds It's available on YouTube dot com. Scape plugs

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<v Speaker 2>for ours though, if you want to watch you on

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<v Speaker 2>YouTube dot com. It is out right bloody. Now, there

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<v Speaker 2>won't be a YouTube video for Thursday's episode, but it

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<v Speaker 2>is so worth listening to g love for people that

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. Right now, there is I would describe it

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<v Speaker 2>as a ruckus happening upstairs.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a no, I can't think of better words,

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<v Speaker 1>dance party.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called a dance party. And what a dance party

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<v Speaker 2>is if you don't know, it's people who dance non stop.

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<v Speaker 2>And my neighbor deb right now, I think every weekend

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<v Speaker 2>she has a dance party with some of her friends.

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<v Speaker 2>They are so positive they I think, what did you say?

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<v Speaker 2>She said? They do it so they can feel safe

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<v Speaker 2>and just have a good time. It's always in Sunday afternoon.

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<v Speaker 2>They all bring bottles of bubble, so we can relate

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<v Speaker 2>to that. And all they do is they dance. They

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<v Speaker 2>call out to digs on their balcony down and they

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<v Speaker 2>just dance and have the best time in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>And it is so fun to hear.

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<v Speaker 1>Or they're in like the maybe fifties are there?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, maybe late forty fifties, And basically they dance

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<v Speaker 2>all all afternoon upstairs. It's too Shanaia Twain mostly and

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<v Speaker 2>it's very good stuff. So yeah, I love it when

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<v Speaker 2>they let's go girls come all scream out they do. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's so good. And upstairs, all that happens is I

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<v Speaker 2>can just hear footsteps going. But because of my double glazing,

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<v Speaker 2>do you love, I cannot hear out there, So I

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<v Speaker 2>do like to open it up so I can hear

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<v Speaker 2>them dancing and go and join the Oh I have before.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been upstairs before to take Digs up because they

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<v Speaker 2>have invited Digs to the dance party before. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 2>he loves it. He's a dancer from way back.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, he has dance parties himself.

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<v Speaker 2>Here, you know, Digs. I've been watching some Netflix documentaries recently, Sammy.

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<v Speaker 1>No, wait, you're allowed to tell me that, please, But

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm going to ask you first?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>What?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? Please?

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<v Speaker 1>Have you watched fucking Heated Rivalry yet?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>I have not, but I have watched a lot more

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<v Speaker 2>Morning Wars greag.

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<v Speaker 1>Go you why haven't you watched Heated Rivalry yet?

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<v Speaker 2>I started to watch the first episode and I was

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<v Speaker 2>not in the right headspace for it because it was

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<v Speaker 2>quite slow. You need to try, I know, I know,

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<v Speaker 2>to trust me.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, it's been one of my poudry peeves before when

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<v Speaker 1>you tell someone watch this show you'll love it, and

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<v Speaker 1>they just don't do it.

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<v Speaker 2>My wife, I'm telling you because also when someone says,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, you have to watch this episode, it

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<v Speaker 2>gets great after three seasons.

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<v Speaker 1>This is only six episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that, but still a lot. How long is

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<v Speaker 2>each episode?

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<v Speaker 1>Fifty minutes?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, so that's a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>It's only six episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>Hold on every single week, I've got a dance party

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<v Speaker 2>to go to, or I can watch Headed Rivalry.

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<v Speaker 1>No, they're not the only two options.

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<v Speaker 2>What are the other options you can have?

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<v Speaker 1>No, No, they're not options at all. You can do both.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I see, yes, yes, yeah, yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm not saying every week on a Sunday and

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<v Speaker 1>watch all six episode or go to Deb's dance party.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never once said that, and I never.

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<v Speaker 2>Would as I call it about that, but I'll say, gee,

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<v Speaker 2>love is what if I just said, yeah, I watched

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<v Speaker 2>it and I was at the cottage this weekend, I will.

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<v Speaker 1>Believe that you wouldn't because then I would want to

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<v Speaker 1>sit down and have an eight hour about it, and

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<v Speaker 1>I would know very.

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<v Speaker 2>Quickly, yeah, well what if? Okay. So I was discussing

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<v Speaker 2>this with the wonderful Gareth rene Olds the other day Sorry

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<v Speaker 2>on the podcast. I said to him, I love your podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just forgot the name of his podcast and

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<v Speaker 2>I said it with Jake Johnson and he goes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>what's it called? He called me? And I went and

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<v Speaker 2>I went, can we help? And he goes, it's and

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<v Speaker 2>he goes, yeah, and he said he said a variation

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<v Speaker 2>of what it was, but I almost got it right.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just one word off anyway, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>so funny. And then we just both started saying for

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of the podcast, yeah, I know, like we

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<v Speaker 2>we we both know we both don't know what we're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about. We go fantastic, Yeah, I know, because I

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<v Speaker 2>have a great story that I kind of told on

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<v Speaker 2>Confessions this week. But it is one of my favorite

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<v Speaker 2>stories ever where someone that you and I both know,

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<v Speaker 2>and he went to a play of someone else. We

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<v Speaker 2>both know. I'll tell you about you. You're not gonna

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<v Speaker 2>You're not going to and okay, putting my hand on,

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<v Speaker 2>you're going that Love the Lady and International Women's Days.

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<v Speaker 2>We're recording this, Yes, Love the Lady.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you about that in a minute.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe it's for women internationally. Think about it. We're

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<v Speaker 2>going to the cottage.

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<v Speaker 1>For only the women who are international.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to the cottage. And so okay, So I

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<v Speaker 2>my friend told me this story, right, And I have

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<v Speaker 2>since changed a little bit to this story, and I

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<v Speaker 2>did in the Confessions episode to make it about me.

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<v Speaker 2>What I'll say is, this story actually is not about me,

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<v Speaker 2>but I really hear the identities of these people, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's fun to just not name and shame,

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<v Speaker 2>but get closer to what the actual story is.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you going to tell us the story making people

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<v Speaker 1>listen to Confessions?

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm going to tell you. Sorry, Okay, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>like repeating stories, but I'm going to do it this

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<v Speaker 2>one time. So basically what happened is my friend was

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<v Speaker 2>going to go and see this play, got really bored

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<v Speaker 2>during it and went and had a joint upstairs on

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<v Speaker 2>the on the rooftop and then during the show and

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<v Speaker 2>didn't watch the show, and at the end this person

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<v Speaker 2>who you know who you'll just you'll die when you

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<v Speaker 2>hear who these people are. He walked up the top

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<v Speaker 2>and saw them on the deck and all the route

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever, and said, what did you think of the play?

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<v Speaker 2>And my friend said, really, really good, loved it. And

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<v Speaker 2>he said, what did you think about the horse bit?

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<v Speaker 2>And he said that was my favorite bit? And he

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<v Speaker 2>said there was no horse bit, right, So that's the story.

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<v Speaker 2>And so Gareth and I spoke about that for a

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<v Speaker 2>long time, and then I decided to pretend that I've

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<v Speaker 2>seen all lords. Gareth start so he said my film

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<v Speaker 2>that he hadn't sent to me. At that point, he goes,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you think of it? Go yeah, no, yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 2>it's real good stuff, bro. I find it one of

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<v Speaker 2>the funniest things in the world where people pretend that

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<v Speaker 2>they've seen something and they haven't, and it is so

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<v Speaker 2>so easy to get caught out in it. My friend Davin,

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<v Speaker 2>great friend Davin, when my childhood friends told me once

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<v Speaker 2>he's like.

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<v Speaker 1>He's not a child anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>So he grew up. Yes, and he said to me,

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<v Speaker 2>once have you seen Scooby Doo when I went, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen Scooby Doo and he goes, no, no, you haven't.

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<v Speaker 2>I went, yeah, I had seen Scooby Doo and he goes,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, so you can tell me the spoilers

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<v Speaker 2>and everything, just so why I would know a bit

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<v Speaker 2>more about it. And he said what about the bit

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<v Speaker 2>when they're in the van or something like that? And

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<v Speaker 2>I said, oh, I love that bit and he goes,

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<v Speaker 2>that never happened in the film. So Davin really caught

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<v Speaker 2>me out. Was real piece of work, real snake in

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<v Speaker 2>the grass about that. And I never I've never forgiven him. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>basically it's from so I've never forgiven him. Have you

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<v Speaker 2>done that where you pretended to I imagine you as

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<v Speaker 2>a journalist, You probably don't do that. You don't go yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I loved it.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I don't do that. I can't think of a

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<v Speaker 1>time when I would have done that.

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<v Speaker 2>Great comedians Seelipcoller did that to me and my friend

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<v Speaker 2>brom Lewis when she came on podcast I used to

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<v Speaker 2>do call you two Drunk Counties, and she came on

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<v Speaker 2>to her pretending she knew it, and then we called

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<v Speaker 2>her out on it because it was.

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<v Speaker 1>You would say, you would do the segment and she goes,

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<v Speaker 1>what why are you doing that?

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<v Speaker 2>But are you calling it this? And I started every

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<v Speaker 2>episode going let's go girls, and then and then she

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<v Speaker 2>goes fuck and she lost her and she goes you

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<v Speaker 2>let every episode was like, yes, you obviously don't listen.

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<v Speaker 2>That's interesting, but I love it. You wouldn't do that. That

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<v Speaker 2>was a journalist, because I remember when you went to

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<v Speaker 2>interview A Doll a little while ago and you said

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<v Speaker 2>you listened to the album.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a That was a different journalist.

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<v Speaker 2>And so he got a flight over to London.

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<v Speaker 1>The exclusive only Australian person to do an interview with

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<v Speaker 1>Adele about her latest album.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah probably called something about her age yep, yep.

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<v Speaker 1>And he flew over to London, sat down for a

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<v Speaker 1>one on one interview with her, and she realized during

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<v Speaker 1>the interview she got the vibe that he hadn't listened

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<v Speaker 1>to it, and she asked him straight out, have you

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<v Speaker 1>listened to it? And the only part of it, no,

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<v Speaker 1>we did it. The only part of it due respect

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<v Speaker 1>is that he said no, no, I haven't. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>out and she said, we sent it to you beforehand though,

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<v Speaker 1>and he said, I didn't realize. So none of the

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<v Speaker 1>none of that story is good except but I do

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<v Speaker 1>respect that he said I haven't, because it is bad

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<v Speaker 1>on both parts if you haven't. So this is the

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<v Speaker 1>thing with the play that he was saying that you

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<v Speaker 1>know someone who went.

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<v Speaker 2>To this is fascinating you know both people.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, I can't person was.

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<v Speaker 2>In the play and the person who went to the

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<v Speaker 2>play was.

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<v Speaker 1>I just need a yes or no from you? Was

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<v Speaker 1>the person in the play. Chris Hemsworth was the person

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<v Speaker 1>who went to the play. Bobby Darren. They like swing

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<v Speaker 1>music style, the one that sings.

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<v Speaker 2>Some Okay, I cannot confirm more tonight. I cannot confirm

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<v Speaker 2>more tonight. Probably not since I said, who was Bobby Darren? Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so you going would you would never do something like

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<v Speaker 2>that because Carl Stefanovic whenever I was a person.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a journalist, No, it wasn't. You can't just.

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<v Speaker 2>Throw someone on the bus that I listened to Carl

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<v Speaker 2>Stefanovick's podcast. Recently, he had an interview with Pauline Hanson.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to double down on the y Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>The real reason I listened to it is because he

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<v Speaker 2>had an episode with Kyle Sandalans. No, but I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to go, what is going on with this man? And

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to I've never listened to Kyle Sanderan, So

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I want to learn a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>about Kyl Sandalanz And I really didn't like hiding it.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I went, oh my god, he's had Pauline

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<v Speaker 2>Hanson on, and I.

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<v Speaker 1>Wanted to listeners just google these people.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, both real and shit.

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<v Speaker 2>But Pauline Hanson, I was like, I actually find her

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<v Speaker 2>voice very funny. Yeah, okay, And so I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>hear a sa plist explained, but you she has moments

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<v Speaker 2>like that where she says ridiculous stuff and you're like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh god, but I find her such a she seems

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<v Speaker 2>like a character. She doesn't feel like a real person's correct,

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<v Speaker 2>she feels like such a character. And there used to

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<v Speaker 2>be a character called Pauline pants Down that was a

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<v Speaker 2>drag comedy character about Pauline, and she did an amazing

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<v Speaker 2>song called please Explain. I don't like it. No, No,

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<v Speaker 2>never did, I don't like it. So have you you

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<v Speaker 2>know that one of her yeah, oh so good. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>put it in here. I don't like it.

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<v Speaker 1>Anything.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like it.

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<v Speaker 1>I went near.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like it.

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<v Speaker 1>Anything.

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<v Speaker 2>My friend wants to do a show about Pauline Hansoon

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<v Speaker 2>but playing Pauline Hanson, and they are one of the

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<v Speaker 2>funniest people ever. They did a show about Chappelle Corby.

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<v Speaker 2>She actually looks like Chappelle Corby, and then she did

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<v Speaker 2>She's just done heaps of great one woman shows, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think one about Pauline Hanson. And she's the most

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<v Speaker 2>like like I guess for American lestens. She's very liberal

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<v Speaker 2>in in our term. She's very like left leaning. She's very, very,

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<v Speaker 2>very very about gay culture and everything, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>it'd be very funny to watch her do a show

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<v Speaker 2>about Pauline Hanson. Anyway, Kyle Stephanovick listening to it and

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<v Speaker 2>everything is just really interesting because I find it really

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<v Speaker 2>hard to listen to someone sometimes when you're like because

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<v Speaker 2>uncomfortable conversations. I find really interesting. If you're talking to

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<v Speaker 2>someone that you don't agree with, that's great. But I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know where Carl stands, so I don't know whether

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<v Speaker 2>or not he was promoting Carl Sanderlands or Pauline Hanson.

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<v Speaker 2>So I didn't end up listening to the whole thing

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<v Speaker 2>in the end, it was just an interesting moment to go.

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<v Speaker 1>It made you feel uncomfortable, not in the right way, yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>But one of the greatest frontline episodes of all time.

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<v Speaker 2>There's an amazing TV show in Australia by the Working

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<v Speaker 2>Dog crew who were just incredible and also four doors

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<v Speaker 2>down from my home, right of docs mm and I

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<v Speaker 2>just love them so much that their address is not listened.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't you worry about that? And yeah, I've looked and

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<v Speaker 2>I find them so incredible. And they did an episode

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<v Speaker 2>basically what it was. It was in a current affair show,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was it was way before really like any

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<v Speaker 2>of those sort of really satirical shows.

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<v Speaker 1>That's where edit it's here, yes, and it's.

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<v Speaker 2>So brilliant and it's basically like if you've seen the

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<v Speaker 2>Larry Sanders Show in America, it's very much like that,

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<v Speaker 2>like behind the scenes of a current affairs show and

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<v Speaker 2>news report every single night. And there's one episode that

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<v Speaker 2>actually had Pauline Hanson in and she pays herself out

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<v Speaker 2>yeah in it, and remember that, yeah, And someone goes,

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<v Speaker 2>she's xenophobic, and then Mike Moore, the lead guy, who's

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<v Speaker 2>a bit dumb, he doesn't really understand what means, so

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<v Speaker 2>he keeps going that xenophobic and people keept going, have

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<v Speaker 2>you actually listened to her speech, and he goes, yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 2>he does that thing. Yeah, yeah, I get it, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I get it, and it's going that xenophobic And it's

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<v Speaker 2>one of the funniest episodes ever because and then she

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<v Speaker 2>goes on and she's on in the end, she's on.

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<v Speaker 2>She kind of pays out herself a little bit, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's not it's not something you've ever really seen from

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<v Speaker 2>her because I think now maybe back in the day

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<v Speaker 2>she did have a sense of humor about herself. Now

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<v Speaker 2>she does not know. She's like minimum, she's Trump esque. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>she's one nation, yeah yeah, yeah, she's one nation in Australia,

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<v Speaker 2>which is just you know, very yeah yeah, ultra conservative,

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<v Speaker 2>right wing, but very problematic, very problematic. But yeah, back

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<v Speaker 2>in the day, there was a it's a fascinating episode.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to watch it. It is so fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll ask you off, Mike, your thoughts about the podcast

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<v Speaker 1>bits that you have listened to of Carl Stefanovick's yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you can tell me your thoughts if you want.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, I've never liked Carl Carl Sevnovik, but I do

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<v Speaker 2>find it interesting. I don't know. I don't mind listening

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<v Speaker 2>to things sometimes that I find uncomfortable, Like I don't

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<v Speaker 2>mind listening to something for a little bit until I go, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I get the idea of what you're talking about. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I get the idea. Like Joe Rogan, Like I've never

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<v Speaker 2>really listened to Joe Rogan, but I did have a

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<v Speaker 2>friend that was on Joe Rogan and listen to it, going,

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<v Speaker 2>I get what it's about.

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<v Speaker 1>Who's your friend? Who was on?

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<v Speaker 2>James Donald Force McCann, who is a comedian from Adelaide

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<v Speaker 2>who has really blown up. He's a very very very

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<v Speaker 2>funny person. I don't agree with all of the things

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<v Speaker 2>that he says, but he's a very very very funny

0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:19.760
<v Speaker 2>person that went over to America because he opened in

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<v Speaker 2>Australia for Shane Gillis, and who's a big American comedian.

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<v Speaker 2>Shane Gillis really supports him, takes him around with him

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<v Speaker 2>around the world, and he's just become really big and

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<v Speaker 2>he was on the Joe Rogan podcast, and so that's

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<v Speaker 2>the only Joe Rogan podcast I've ever listened to. But

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<v Speaker 2>I know Louis Theroux's been on there, and people that

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<v Speaker 2>I actually like have been on there. I'm sure someone

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<v Speaker 2>like John Ronson would go on there because I find

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<v Speaker 2>those sorts of people they actually are okay to a

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<v Speaker 2>certain extent in talking about who they are and then

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<v Speaker 2>and then kind of pushing back. I think, yeah, like

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<v Speaker 2>I did Josh Epps podcast Uncomfortable Conversations, and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>agree with everything Josh Spp says, and I would say

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<v Speaker 2>that to it. But I like Josh EPs, so it's like, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, the fact that you would say it to him

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<v Speaker 1>is why you could.

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<v Speaker 2>Go on Yeah, yeah, exactly. But no, Yeah, the car

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<v Speaker 2>Stevenovik thing is a really interesting I'm not promoting his podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying it is an interesting dynamic. If you

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<v Speaker 2>are in a mind frame to go what there, what

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<v Speaker 2>is this about? It is an interesting thing to listen

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<v Speaker 2>to for a few seconds to go, Okay, I get it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not into it. I'd rather listen to Mama miir

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<v Speaker 2>out loud, but but I kind of go, yeah, that's interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>That's interesting. Okay, I understand now. I get the whole

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<v Speaker 2>I listened to two seconds ago. I'm such a man.

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<v Speaker 2>I get the whole view. I understand it all. On

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<v Speaker 2>International Women's Day when we're recording this, I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>So what I will say about it being International Women's

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<v Speaker 1>Day today is I had a brunch at a friends. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you do this morning. Now, it wasn't purposely. It didn't

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<v Speaker 1>purposely fall on International Women's Day. That's not why she

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<v Speaker 1>organized it. But she just wanted to get her girlfriends

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<v Speaker 1>together for a Sunday.

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<v Speaker 2>Brunch like deb today, like exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And she asked everyone to bring a plate of something

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<v Speaker 1>they had made or baked themselves. Now, I don't like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like that. I don't like.

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<v Speaker 1>Baking or cooking. I'll do it when you know. If

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<v Speaker 1>I need dinner, I'll make myself dinner, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Big girl. If I'm late, if I'm hungry, oh late.

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<v Speaker 2>And also just so you know, if G is hungry.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll know you. Oh my god, the hanger is real.

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<v Speaker 2>We have been on trips together and oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>when she is hangy, she tell you I don't like

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<v Speaker 2>hanging When she hangy is when you catchrayes when she hangy,

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<v Speaker 2>she tell you barently mcgamera when she hangy. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I hate hangy and you know, sorry, tell you beautiful story, right.

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<v Speaker 1>So I baked some savory muffins to take to this

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<v Speaker 1>brunch because I was asked to, and I was against

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that I was asked anyway, because and the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that it was a lady's brunch and the invitation

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<v Speaker 1>that went out and said ladies brunch, which lovely for

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<v Speaker 1>my friend to host this thing. But I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to cook and I want to bake.

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<v Speaker 2>But I did. Yeah. I told you to go to work,

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<v Speaker 2>just at some sort of bakery or something and get shit. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I said that those exact words.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes you did. So I spent my Saturday night at

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<v Speaker 1>home baking muffins for ladies Brunch on International Women's Day.

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<v Speaker 1>And I cannot tell you how angry I am at

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<v Speaker 1>myself for when realizing that that's what I did for

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<v Speaker 1>International Women's Day. I've put the movement back fucking forty years.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so angry.

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<v Speaker 2>You said fuck the patriarch and when you were when

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<v Speaker 2>you were making them, yes, yes, yes, oh.

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<v Speaker 1>My god, so many times and she did have her

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<v Speaker 1>husband be the waiter and clean like all the dishes

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff around us, which you know helped a little.

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<v Speaker 1>And I didn't speak to him. I don't like him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't like him. Other never met him, but

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like him. Tell you that much? Uh from

0:22:20.240 --> 0:22:22.560
<v Speaker 2>things I've heard, I don't like him one bit. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>angry as hell. I can't tell you something real quick.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to tell you this. I wish we had

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<v Speaker 2>a behind the paywall episode so I could tell you

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<v Speaker 2>those names, and I would tell every listener. But if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to do in the Instagram and say, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>who are those people, I'll tell you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to get her engagement very.

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<v Speaker 2>Clever, I'll tell you. Don't worry about I'll tell you

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<v Speaker 2>that is so interesting though, Like I love that as

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<v Speaker 2>a like going off. I have a friend that was

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<v Speaker 2>one time very careful about what I say. But they

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<v Speaker 2>were going to a friend's house and the friend said,

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<v Speaker 2>need to make home made staff, bring homemade stuff, and

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<v Speaker 2>she was like, oh, I don't want to do this right.

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<v Speaker 2>It went to a i'ld say it's an o tasinal place.

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<v Speaker 2>Went to an artisinal place where they had the most

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<v Speaker 2>amazing home cooked caramel slice.

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<v Speaker 1>I see where this is go.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone loved her. Now she has to continually buy caramel

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<v Speaker 2>slice to everyone on.

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<v Speaker 1>My mum was not a great cook, like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>fine but not great and did not enjoy cooking. Exactly

0:23:31.320 --> 0:23:35.639
<v Speaker 1>where I got it from. And there's a family we're

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<v Speaker 1>very good friends with who live into state and they

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<v Speaker 1>would come to Melbourne every year for Christmas. So always

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<v Speaker 1>every Christmas we'd have a dinner with them. And one year,

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<v Speaker 1>after many many many years, family, No, they're very busy

0:23:46.840 --> 0:23:49.480
<v Speaker 1>in December. We catch up with them in January. Yes, yes, yes,

0:23:50.400 --> 0:23:52.320
<v Speaker 1>one year she was like, fuck this, I'm just going

0:23:52.359 --> 0:23:54.960
<v Speaker 1>to get it hated in But it was like, yeah,

0:23:55.160 --> 0:23:57.439
<v Speaker 1>that's that same kind of thing, like home cooked stuff

0:23:57.480 --> 0:23:59.520
<v Speaker 1>that she picked up during the day and ate it

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<v Speaker 1>up that night. At the end of the dinner, when

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<v Speaker 1>these friends were leaving, the mum of the family seach

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<v Speaker 1>to my mum, Blinda, I've just got to say your

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<v Speaker 1>cooking has improved out of such.

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<v Speaker 2>Such an insect. I told you mom on Christmas that

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<v Speaker 2>I like, I can't tell that story, but if we're

0:24:22.040 --> 0:24:24.040
<v Speaker 2>behind a paywall, I could definitely tell that story.

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<v Speaker 1>We need to get a pay This feels like this

0:24:26.840 --> 0:24:29.439
<v Speaker 1>is all set up so people go I'd pay to listen.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, if you want to. If you want to,

0:24:33.560 --> 0:24:36.400
<v Speaker 2>we're very happy to divulge all of these secrets. G love.

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<v Speaker 2>We should get into the episode this week. Please do

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<v Speaker 2>leave us a five star rating, five star review. What

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<v Speaker 1>Write us an email at Sammie just another company? Do

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<v Speaker 2>Review, Share it with a friend, watch us on YouTube tube.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you Oliver Clark for doing the music, thanking attends

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<v Speaker 2>and hates for doing the artwork.

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<v Speaker 1>And if everyone, if every woman woman identifying person listening

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<v Speaker 1>to this, could please not bake anything on request for

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<v Speaker 1>at least the next month.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't listen to Pauline Handsome.

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<v Speaker 1>That will help me feel a little bit better about

0:25:23.000 --> 0:25:26.520
<v Speaker 1>how far I put the movement back today by baking

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<v Speaker 1>something because I was asked to.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really at it. Take one step for take two

0:25:31.920 --> 0:25:34.480
<v Speaker 2>step back. That's something that Paula Abdul's on what's that?

0:25:35.440 --> 0:25:38.320
<v Speaker 2>Because ups it's a tract upper.

0:25:38.200 --> 0:25:39.680
<v Speaker 1>It's a tract. Is that how it goes?

0:25:39.760 --> 0:25:43.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure. Anyway, listen to this week's episode and

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<v Speaker 2>I'll do the theme here.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's how it's okay. Before I start on

0:25:57.400 --> 0:26:01.400
<v Speaker 1>the story today, I want to say that this story

0:26:01.680 --> 0:26:06.080
<v Speaker 1>is one that's very very close to me. I remember

0:26:06.200 --> 0:26:11.760
<v Speaker 1>it because the person involved in it, Rachel Barber, was

0:26:11.880 --> 0:26:16.280
<v Speaker 1>close to my age, and I remember when it happened,

0:26:16.800 --> 0:26:20.399
<v Speaker 1>and I remember, you know, kind of watching documentaries and

0:26:20.520 --> 0:26:23.840
<v Speaker 1>movies and reading books about it. It happened in Melbourne,

0:26:24.040 --> 0:26:26.840
<v Speaker 1>and it's just been one that I've always it's really

0:26:26.920 --> 0:26:30.920
<v Speaker 1>really really stuck with me, and I have in the

0:26:31.000 --> 0:26:35.399
<v Speaker 1>last couple of years met somebody involved with the story

0:26:35.440 --> 0:26:37.840
<v Speaker 1>and I will I'll tell you who when the name

0:26:37.880 --> 0:26:42.600
<v Speaker 1>comes up. And that has obviously only made me much

0:26:43.040 --> 0:26:46.399
<v Speaker 1>closer to the story in terms of how I feel

0:26:46.440 --> 0:26:51.320
<v Speaker 1>about it, and a real insight into the story itself

0:26:51.359 --> 0:26:55.879
<v Speaker 1>from somebody that was involved in it. So I have

0:26:56.040 --> 0:26:58.880
<v Speaker 1>spoken to that person about whether they would be comfortable

0:26:59.080 --> 0:27:02.080
<v Speaker 1>for me to do this episode the story is an episode,

0:27:02.240 --> 0:27:06.560
<v Speaker 1>and he has said yes, so yeah, we'll go into

0:27:06.640 --> 0:27:12.760
<v Speaker 1>this story. It's really it is really harrowing story. Really harrowing.

0:27:13.720 --> 0:27:18.200
<v Speaker 1>And this Thursday, we've got a special Thursday Treat, which

0:27:18.400 --> 0:27:21.480
<v Speaker 1>is an episode of my other podcast, Everyone has an X.

0:27:21.800 --> 0:27:24.920
<v Speaker 1>We'll be republishing that on our feed because that is

0:27:25.359 --> 0:27:28.439
<v Speaker 1>an episode with this person that I have met involved

0:27:28.440 --> 0:27:33.720
<v Speaker 1>in this story. So yeah, I've not done the story

0:27:33.800 --> 0:27:38.760
<v Speaker 1>before now because I didn't know whether my friend would

0:27:38.760 --> 0:27:40.760
<v Speaker 1>be comfortable with it. But I've spoken to him and

0:27:40.920 --> 0:27:43.520
<v Speaker 1>he has said that he's happy for me to do

0:27:43.640 --> 0:27:47.600
<v Speaker 1>this story as an episode. So it's just an awful one.

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<v Speaker 1>So are you ready?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Right, I think so. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Rachel Barber was born on September twelve, nineteen eighty three.

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<v Speaker 2>She has go years of her girl, of her guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Here did we go? Maybe this is why I feel

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<v Speaker 1>a real conne. She was the eldest of three girls.

0:28:12.720 --> 0:28:14.400
<v Speaker 1>She had a sister named Ashley.

0:28:14.200 --> 0:28:17.919
<v Speaker 2>And Heather, great names actually like those.

0:28:18.840 --> 0:28:22.920
<v Speaker 1>In her wider family. There was a children's author, a writer,

0:28:23.440 --> 0:28:28.360
<v Speaker 1>a photographer, a toy maker, designer, and an artist.

0:28:28.200 --> 0:28:32.960
<v Speaker 2>A candlestick maker. Yeah, creative family, That's exactly.

0:28:32.560 --> 0:28:35.600
<v Speaker 1>What I've written. Her whole family was very talented and

0:28:35.800 --> 0:28:42.040
<v Speaker 1>very creative. Rachel started dancing at Melbourne Dance Academy, where

0:28:42.120 --> 0:28:45.360
<v Speaker 1>she would spend almost every night after school and even

0:28:45.480 --> 0:28:46.320
<v Speaker 1>some lunch times.

0:28:46.320 --> 0:28:47.760
<v Speaker 2>Do you know how old she was when she started

0:28:47.840 --> 0:28:49.040
<v Speaker 2>or she just kind of always did it.

0:28:49.200 --> 0:28:51.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she started. She started dancing when she was really little,

0:28:51.960 --> 0:28:55.200
<v Speaker 1>like kind of three, three or four when she started,

0:28:55.280 --> 0:28:58.200
<v Speaker 1>and she loved it. And it's a very kind of

0:28:58.400 --> 0:29:01.760
<v Speaker 1>nineties thing as well. Every girl I went to school with,

0:29:01.840 --> 0:29:05.440
<v Speaker 1>everyone I know just did dancing after school everyone I know.

0:29:05.560 --> 0:29:08.959
<v Speaker 1>Obviously not everyone did, but it was a very nineties thing.

0:29:10.080 --> 0:29:14.120
<v Speaker 2>When you dance, you're dunt and the dance of life, yeah.

0:29:14.000 --> 0:29:19.200
<v Speaker 1>Something like that. She loved it, and she was very

0:29:19.480 --> 0:29:22.560
<v Speaker 1>naturally talented at it, and she worked really hard so became,

0:29:23.160 --> 0:29:25.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, it really flourished in it. It wasn't just

0:29:25.600 --> 0:29:28.080
<v Speaker 1>a natural talent. She worked hard as well, and she

0:29:28.400 --> 0:29:34.240
<v Speaker 1>particularly flourished in classical ballet. Her grandma was a photographer,

0:29:34.600 --> 0:29:38.280
<v Speaker 1>and she would pose for her grandma's artistic shots, like

0:29:38.400 --> 0:29:41.600
<v Speaker 1>in her ballet, you know, on point, and she was

0:29:41.760 --> 0:29:44.080
<v Speaker 1>featured in a lot of her grandma's photography because she

0:29:44.200 --> 0:29:48.280
<v Speaker 1>was just this just really from a little little girl,

0:29:48.640 --> 0:29:53.240
<v Speaker 1>really striking looking. She kind of had a natural ballerina

0:29:53.840 --> 0:29:57.640
<v Speaker 1>frame and she had these stunning bright bright, bright green

0:29:57.840 --> 0:30:01.000
<v Speaker 1>eyes and kind of almost cutlike eyes. She was very, very,

0:30:01.160 --> 0:30:01.920
<v Speaker 1>very beautiful.

0:30:02.000 --> 0:30:04.000
<v Speaker 2>I've seen photos of her before and she's just such

0:30:04.080 --> 0:30:06.880
<v Speaker 2>a striking looking Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, At age fourteen, she did a two week modeling

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<v Speaker 1>course because she was really desperate, really really desperate to

0:30:15.200 --> 0:30:17.680
<v Speaker 1>do that. So her mum and dad said, yes, you

0:30:17.720 --> 0:30:22.000
<v Speaker 1>can do the course, but her parents said, you're not

0:30:22.080 --> 0:30:25.200
<v Speaker 1>doing any kind of professional work in that at this age.

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<v Speaker 2>But you can do the course.

0:30:29.400 --> 0:30:34.200
<v Speaker 1>She convinced her parents, begged her parents and pleaded to

0:30:34.400 --> 0:30:38.360
<v Speaker 1>leave school at fifteen so she could go to dance

0:30:38.400 --> 0:30:43.240
<v Speaker 1>school full time. Wow, and finally managed to convince them.

0:30:44.000 --> 0:30:47.320
<v Speaker 1>They said, she has such a passion and love for dance,

0:30:47.520 --> 0:30:50.440
<v Speaker 1>she's not going to want to do anything else in

0:30:50.560 --> 0:30:53.200
<v Speaker 1>her life anyway. So it was kind of like they're

0:30:53.200 --> 0:30:57.080
<v Speaker 1>really that she's going to do it any So she

0:30:57.680 --> 0:31:01.080
<v Speaker 1>got into and then enrolled in Dance Factory, which is

0:31:01.400 --> 0:31:05.320
<v Speaker 1>a dance school which has full full time academy as

0:31:05.360 --> 0:31:07.240
<v Speaker 1>well as just classes that you can go to as well.

0:31:07.320 --> 0:31:07.920
<v Speaker 1>In Richmond.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh right, okay, they're a dog Broadway baby there. I

0:31:11.720 --> 0:31:14.520
<v Speaker 2>believe that's just a little insight to those of us

0:31:14.560 --> 0:31:15.800
<v Speaker 2>who love dance moms.

0:31:17.160 --> 0:31:22.800
<v Speaker 1>Sure, sure, sure, yeah, I love that you. We went

0:31:22.840 --> 0:31:25.520
<v Speaker 1>out for dinner with friends about and you've spent the

0:31:25.520 --> 0:31:28.360
<v Speaker 1>whole dinner talking to our friend's wife about dance.

0:31:28.440 --> 0:31:28.600
<v Speaker 2>Mom.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, which I haven't watched. No, and I famously

0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:37.920
<v Speaker 1>a theater girl. In nineteen ninety nine, she was fifteen

0:31:38.000 --> 0:31:40.880
<v Speaker 1>years old and she was dancing full time at dance Factory.

0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:41.240
<v Speaker 4>Wow.

0:31:42.440 --> 0:31:45.760
<v Speaker 1>On Monday, March one of that year, she dressed in

0:31:45.840 --> 0:31:49.280
<v Speaker 1>a pair of long black pants, which definitely in those

0:31:49.360 --> 0:31:51.320
<v Speaker 1>days were called dance pants.

0:31:51.640 --> 0:31:54.360
<v Speaker 2>Dance pants yep, yep, a blue top, and.

0:31:54.440 --> 0:31:56.880
<v Speaker 1>Her jazz runners. I've got to tell you, do you

0:31:56.920 --> 0:31:57.840
<v Speaker 1>know what jazz runners are?

0:31:57.880 --> 0:31:58.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh?

0:31:58.480 --> 0:31:59.000
<v Speaker 5>My god?

0:31:59.400 --> 0:32:03.640
<v Speaker 1>Like black, kind of like runners but with no middle.

0:32:04.240 --> 0:32:06.680
<v Speaker 1>Were in their soul, so the art so you can

0:32:06.760 --> 0:32:08.000
<v Speaker 1>point your toes properly.

0:32:08.280 --> 0:32:11.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay resting, yeah wow, God damn it. I wanted

0:32:12.000 --> 0:32:13.120
<v Speaker 2>them so wow.

0:32:13.320 --> 0:32:16.520
<v Speaker 1>Okay, anyway, she had them. She had a backpack on

0:32:16.680 --> 0:32:19.840
<v Speaker 1>with her wallet, a water bottle, and a homemade cushion

0:32:20.080 --> 0:32:24.560
<v Speaker 1>she had made for her boyfriend Manny. It was a

0:32:24.760 --> 0:32:27.880
<v Speaker 1>purple heart tied with a pink ribbon that she had

0:32:28.160 --> 0:32:29.040
<v Speaker 1>made for him.

0:32:29.360 --> 0:32:29.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow.

0:32:30.640 --> 0:32:34.880
<v Speaker 1>Now Manny is the person who has become a friend

0:32:34.920 --> 0:32:38.840
<v Speaker 1>of mine in the last few years. Rachel left her

0:32:38.920 --> 0:32:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Bayswater North home at the time she always did. She

0:32:42.080 --> 0:32:44.760
<v Speaker 1>held out by mum love you and got in the

0:32:44.840 --> 0:32:47.560
<v Speaker 1>car with her dad, Michael, who took her to the

0:32:47.920 --> 0:32:50.560
<v Speaker 1>nearby tram stop that would take her straight into school

0:32:50.560 --> 0:32:53.120
<v Speaker 1>at dance Factory. He would then pick her up from

0:32:53.160 --> 0:32:55.920
<v Speaker 1>the same tram stop that evening at six fifteen pm.

0:32:56.920 --> 0:32:59.880
<v Speaker 1>She got on the nine thirty am tram, arriving in Richmond,

0:33:00.000 --> 0:33:02.440
<v Speaker 1>where she ate breakfast at a friend's house, a friend

0:33:02.520 --> 0:33:04.400
<v Speaker 1>that went to dance as well. A group of them.

0:33:04.440 --> 0:33:07.400
<v Speaker 1>We would go in there together and one of the

0:33:07.440 --> 0:33:12.120
<v Speaker 1>people there was her boyfriend, sixteen year old Money. They

0:33:12.200 --> 0:33:14.680
<v Speaker 1>had met a dance factory the previous May.

0:33:15.880 --> 0:33:16.640
<v Speaker 2>It was a dancer too.

0:33:17.160 --> 0:33:20.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, he's a dancer as well. Rachel wasn't full

0:33:20.840 --> 0:33:23.640
<v Speaker 1>time when they met, she was just dancing there, and

0:33:24.000 --> 0:33:27.200
<v Speaker 1>this year, in nineteen nine, she was full time. When

0:33:27.280 --> 0:33:30.160
<v Speaker 1>they met in that previous May. They had just been

0:33:30.320 --> 0:33:34.880
<v Speaker 1>inseparable ever since. They were really one of those you know,

0:33:35.120 --> 0:33:39.480
<v Speaker 1>teenage couples that were just like magnetized to each other,

0:33:39.920 --> 0:33:44.360
<v Speaker 1>just absolutely adored each other and you know, love hard.

0:33:44.440 --> 0:33:45.120
<v Speaker 1>Eye emoji.

0:33:46.320 --> 0:33:49.600
<v Speaker 2>And also like a male dancer is quite a hard

0:33:49.680 --> 0:33:53.000
<v Speaker 2>thing to find as well, Like I mean a heterosexual

0:33:53.480 --> 0:33:56.400
<v Speaker 2>cis like you know, like a male dancer is such

0:33:56.440 --> 0:33:59.320
<v Speaker 2>a I don't know, Like I always feel like, well,

0:33:59.360 --> 0:34:02.200
<v Speaker 2>this is my history watching dance mums, I always go, oh,

0:34:02.520 --> 0:34:05.000
<v Speaker 2>you never really see a lot of male young dancers

0:34:05.040 --> 0:34:07.080
<v Speaker 2>that want to do it. So Manny must have had

0:34:07.120 --> 0:34:09.920
<v Speaker 2>like such an amazing ability to dance and everything. And

0:34:10.000 --> 0:34:11.600
<v Speaker 2>what a beautiful, very.

0:34:11.880 --> 0:34:15.520
<v Speaker 1>Very very talented as well, he's an amazing singer. Wow.

0:34:15.960 --> 0:34:18.320
<v Speaker 1>I also remember it was the nineties, and you know

0:34:18.440 --> 0:34:21.040
<v Speaker 1>he was a teenager as well, so you know, it

0:34:21.239 --> 0:34:25.600
<v Speaker 1>was less common I think for teenagers then to be

0:34:26.960 --> 0:34:29.920
<v Speaker 1>like that, but also less common for the you know

0:34:30.360 --> 0:34:34.040
<v Speaker 1>people anyone I suppose as teenagers in the nineties to

0:34:34.120 --> 0:34:41.359
<v Speaker 1>be out and openly gay if they were at that age. Yes,

0:34:41.440 --> 0:34:43.480
<v Speaker 1>So it were the cushion that she had made for

0:34:43.600 --> 0:34:46.160
<v Speaker 1>him was it wasn't a special occasion the day that

0:34:46.239 --> 0:34:48.319
<v Speaker 1>she was giving it to him. She just had made

0:34:48.360 --> 0:34:50.759
<v Speaker 1>it that weekend because she wanted him to know that

0:34:50.880 --> 0:34:52.040
<v Speaker 1>he had captured her heart.

0:34:52.360 --> 0:34:57.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh, how to have this her heart that it's adorable.

0:34:57.880 --> 0:35:00.640
<v Speaker 1>Remember teenage relationships.

0:35:00.120 --> 0:35:04.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, mixtapes, mix tape, I made someone a mixtape once

0:35:04.520 --> 0:35:05.560
<v Speaker 2>did do? What was on there?

0:35:06.120 --> 0:35:06.239
<v Speaker 1>Oh?

0:35:06.480 --> 0:35:10.319
<v Speaker 2>Like pretty much Backstreet Boys perfect yeah, which girls always love.

0:35:10.760 --> 0:35:16.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah you smooth an't ye. At ten fifteen am, the

0:35:16.880 --> 0:35:19.040
<v Speaker 1>group that had been a breakfast went to their dance

0:35:19.040 --> 0:35:22.480
<v Speaker 1>school to start classes. During one of the classes, Rachel

0:35:22.520 --> 0:35:25.240
<v Speaker 1>told a friend that she was doing something that evening

0:35:25.280 --> 0:35:27.279
<v Speaker 1>that was going to make her some money, but she

0:35:27.360 --> 0:35:29.239
<v Speaker 1>couldn't say what it was. She was just telling her

0:35:29.239 --> 0:35:31.400
<v Speaker 1>friend to be like, I'm really excited. I'll tell you tomorrow,

0:35:31.440 --> 0:35:32.719
<v Speaker 1>but I'm not gonna to tell you today what it is.

0:35:32.840 --> 0:35:34.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, she didn't want to jinx it.

0:35:35.480 --> 0:35:38.279
<v Speaker 2>Sure. I had a lemonade stand for a bit. Yes,

0:35:38.480 --> 0:35:40.120
<v Speaker 2>I was doing stuff like that, like I wanted to

0:35:40.200 --> 0:35:42.719
<v Speaker 2>meet my friend Tyron. We used to try and make

0:35:42.760 --> 0:35:45.000
<v Speaker 2>any money we could, and we sold rocks with googly

0:35:45.080 --> 0:35:46.919
<v Speaker 2>eyes on them at the front of the house. We'd

0:35:46.920 --> 0:35:49.200
<v Speaker 2>have like we made a little stall because the trestle

0:35:49.280 --> 0:35:51.560
<v Speaker 2>table pet rocks with like Google eyes, and we also

0:35:51.640 --> 0:35:53.120
<v Speaker 2>had a lemonade stall as well.

0:35:53.640 --> 0:35:55.360
<v Speaker 1>I've seen photos of you when you were little and

0:35:55.400 --> 0:35:56.080
<v Speaker 1>you shooting.

0:35:56.200 --> 0:35:57.960
<v Speaker 2>We thought it was amazing. With the same watch on

0:35:58.040 --> 0:35:59.800
<v Speaker 2>we thought it was real cool, same watch and we

0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:01.480
<v Speaker 2>to just sit there just talking all the time.

0:36:01.560 --> 0:36:03.080
<v Speaker 1>It was one of those like slap band.

0:36:03.880 --> 0:36:07.680
<v Speaker 2>Yea yeah yeah yeah, so cool would.

0:36:07.440 --> 0:36:11.560
<v Speaker 1>Have been around the same yeah yeah yeah. So at

0:36:11.640 --> 0:36:14.439
<v Speaker 1>lunchtime that day, Rachel and Manny went for a walk

0:36:14.480 --> 0:36:18.320
<v Speaker 1>down Swan Street in Richmond, and Rachel pointed out a

0:36:18.360 --> 0:36:21.960
<v Speaker 1>pair of blue platform shoes in a shop that she

0:36:22.040 --> 0:36:25.359
<v Speaker 1>said she was going to buy the next day. Oh wow,

0:36:25.880 --> 0:36:30.920
<v Speaker 1>they were one hundred dollars. That's ninety nine exactly. So

0:36:31.120 --> 0:36:33.840
<v Speaker 1>Manny was like, they're beautiful. I know you love that,

0:36:34.000 --> 0:36:37.359
<v Speaker 1>but like, come on, but she said, I'll be able

0:36:37.400 --> 0:36:39.719
<v Speaker 1>to buy them tomorrow. I'm meeting up with an old

0:36:39.840 --> 0:36:43.360
<v Speaker 1>friend tonight and she's going to help me make a

0:36:43.400 --> 0:36:46.960
<v Speaker 1>bit of money to buy the shoes. Manny asked who

0:36:47.120 --> 0:36:49.319
<v Speaker 1>the friend was and what she meant, and she said

0:36:49.400 --> 0:36:52.320
<v Speaker 1>that she couldn't tell him same thing. She said, I

0:36:52.400 --> 0:36:55.120
<v Speaker 1>don't want to jink set, but I'll tell you about

0:36:55.160 --> 0:36:58.320
<v Speaker 1>it tomorrow. And this was very out of character for Rachel.

0:36:58.840 --> 0:37:02.239
<v Speaker 1>Rachel and Manny told each other everything, but she said

0:37:02.280 --> 0:37:05.200
<v Speaker 1>she had been explicitly told not to tell anyone about

0:37:05.239 --> 0:37:07.560
<v Speaker 1>the work before it was done, and she didn't want

0:37:07.600 --> 0:37:11.160
<v Speaker 1>to stuff it up. After classes had finished for the

0:37:11.239 --> 0:37:14.560
<v Speaker 1>day or March one, at five point thirty five, Rachel

0:37:14.640 --> 0:37:18.040
<v Speaker 1>walked to the tram, saying goodbye to Money and telling

0:37:18.120 --> 0:37:19.880
<v Speaker 1>him she'd call him when she got home and tell

0:37:19.960 --> 0:37:23.120
<v Speaker 1>him all about the job. She walked with two friends

0:37:23.160 --> 0:37:26.080
<v Speaker 1>to the tram stop that they always went to, but

0:37:26.160 --> 0:37:29.200
<v Speaker 1>when she got there, she said, I'm actually catching a

0:37:29.239 --> 0:37:32.759
<v Speaker 1>different tram than usual, to know, from a stop further

0:37:32.880 --> 0:37:35.080
<v Speaker 1>down the road. Her friends offered to walk with her,

0:37:35.200 --> 0:37:37.799
<v Speaker 1>but she said it's no need. It's literally just down there,

0:37:38.200 --> 0:37:40.840
<v Speaker 1>and she walked in the opposite direction to where her

0:37:40.920 --> 0:37:42.600
<v Speaker 1>tram would usually take her.

0:37:42.719 --> 0:37:43.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

0:37:44.640 --> 0:37:47.719
<v Speaker 1>Rachel's dad, Michael, was meant to pick up Rachel at

0:37:47.719 --> 0:37:51.280
<v Speaker 1>six fifteen, but when it got to seven point fifteen

0:37:51.680 --> 0:37:56.360
<v Speaker 1>and neither of them were home, Rachel's mum, Michael's wife Elizabeth,

0:37:56.800 --> 0:38:01.600
<v Speaker 1>got worried. Neither had a mobile phone N nine, so

0:38:01.719 --> 0:38:05.360
<v Speaker 1>all she could do was wait. At seven forty pm,

0:38:05.800 --> 0:38:09.520
<v Speaker 1>the home phone rang. It was Michael from his parents' house,

0:38:09.680 --> 0:38:11.759
<v Speaker 1>which was closer to the tram stop, so he'd just

0:38:12.080 --> 0:38:13.839
<v Speaker 1>gone straight to his parents' house to wait.

0:38:13.880 --> 0:38:15.680
<v Speaker 2>He was waiting there to pick her up till seven

0:38:15.800 --> 0:38:17.000
<v Speaker 2>something and then and then went.

0:38:17.000 --> 0:38:20.200
<v Speaker 1>Yep, calling to say Rachel hadn't got off any of

0:38:20.280 --> 0:38:24.919
<v Speaker 1>the trams in the past hour or so. Now sometimes

0:38:25.640 --> 0:38:28.279
<v Speaker 1>she would, There's there were two different tram stops based

0:38:28.320 --> 0:38:31.440
<v Speaker 1>on which tram she got onto, so and sometimes she

0:38:31.480 --> 0:38:33.799
<v Speaker 1>would go on a different tramp. They would always plan

0:38:33.840 --> 0:38:35.880
<v Speaker 1>it in the morning, like tonight, I'm getting on the

0:38:36.239 --> 0:38:39.839
<v Speaker 1>you know five or whatever. So he thought maybe she'd

0:38:39.880 --> 0:38:41.759
<v Speaker 1>mistaken which one she was meant to get off that day,

0:38:41.920 --> 0:38:43.800
<v Speaker 1>So Michael went to the other tram stop, but she

0:38:44.000 --> 0:38:50.919
<v Speaker 1>wasn't there either. Elizabeth, Rachel's mum called Mannie and said,

0:38:51.480 --> 0:38:54.640
<v Speaker 1>where there's Rachel with you? Where is she? He confirmed

0:38:54.640 --> 0:38:56.960
<v Speaker 1>that he had last seen her at five thirty five

0:38:57.080 --> 0:38:59.439
<v Speaker 1>when they parted ways, and she said she was going

0:38:59.480 --> 0:39:01.840
<v Speaker 1>to a job, but wouldn't tell him what it was.

0:39:03.080 --> 0:39:07.080
<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth's stomach dropped. She had heard nothing about any jobs

0:39:07.320 --> 0:39:10.880
<v Speaker 1>that Rachel was meant to be doing. She rang the

0:39:11.000 --> 0:39:16.000
<v Speaker 1>dance school and rang around to Rachel's friends to try

0:39:16.080 --> 0:39:18.200
<v Speaker 1>to put together a bit of a timeline and ask

0:39:18.280 --> 0:39:20.120
<v Speaker 1>anyone if they knew where she was, and she just

0:39:20.160 --> 0:39:22.680
<v Speaker 1>heard more of the same, that she had some secret job.

0:39:22.760 --> 0:39:25.120
<v Speaker 1>She was attending and got on a dip. She found

0:39:25.160 --> 0:39:27.080
<v Speaker 1>out that she got in a different trend than usual,

0:39:27.600 --> 0:39:31.759
<v Speaker 1>but no one knew where she was going. Elizabeth went

0:39:31.800 --> 0:39:35.160
<v Speaker 1>straight to the local police station to report her missing.

0:39:35.760 --> 0:39:37.920
<v Speaker 2>So where is the local police station? So that like

0:39:38.120 --> 0:39:39.600
<v Speaker 2>dance school is in Richmond.

0:39:39.400 --> 0:39:41.759
<v Speaker 1>Dance schools in Richmond, they lived in Bayswarton.

0:39:41.960 --> 0:39:46.360
<v Speaker 2>Okay, it's a yeah, beautiful place. Yeah, and it's about

0:39:47.120 --> 0:39:49.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how far it is, but maybe outside.

0:39:49.760 --> 0:39:51.120
<v Speaker 1>Twenty five minutes or so.

0:39:51.560 --> 0:39:53.759
<v Speaker 2>It's not very far, is it. But it's a beautiful

0:39:53.800 --> 0:39:56.040
<v Speaker 2>part of the world. I mean, it's very much a

0:39:57.200 --> 0:40:03.399
<v Speaker 2>orientated place. But Bayswater always Basewater to Richmond is to Richmond. Sorry,

0:40:03.480 --> 0:40:08.879
<v Speaker 2>to Basewater to Richmond is twenty seven kilometers, so yeah, okay, yeah,

0:40:09.120 --> 0:40:11.200
<v Speaker 2>it's not very far, but it takes about forty five minutes.

0:40:11.320 --> 0:40:12.600
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, forty five minutes.

0:40:13.200 --> 0:40:15.520
<v Speaker 2>But twenty seven kilometers you think with all the traffic

0:40:15.600 --> 0:40:17.440
<v Speaker 2>lights and never again, take about forty five minutes.

0:40:17.520 --> 0:40:17.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:40:18.520 --> 0:40:21.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So Elizabeth went to the local Basewater police station

0:40:23.080 --> 0:40:27.719
<v Speaker 1>to report her missing. She said it's incredibly out of

0:40:27.880 --> 0:40:30.600
<v Speaker 1>character for her not to have come home and told

0:40:30.640 --> 0:40:34.200
<v Speaker 1>her to people. Yeah exactly. Also it was a big

0:40:34.280 --> 0:40:36.440
<v Speaker 1>thing that she was really afraid of the dark, didn't

0:40:36.560 --> 0:40:38.920
<v Speaker 1>like being out on her own, and she was a

0:40:39.040 --> 0:40:41.960
<v Speaker 1>real family girl. She would never want to have made

0:40:41.960 --> 0:40:42.400
<v Speaker 1>them worry.

0:40:42.719 --> 0:40:42.919
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:40:43.440 --> 0:40:46.480
<v Speaker 1>She was also quite shy and quiet and introverted, so

0:40:46.640 --> 0:40:49.360
<v Speaker 1>they did know she wouldn't have spoken to strangers, like

0:40:49.480 --> 0:40:51.280
<v Speaker 1>got into a stranger's car or anything.

0:40:51.360 --> 0:40:53.399
<v Speaker 2>Right that that's on on the tram and went yeah.

0:40:54.360 --> 0:40:57.960
<v Speaker 1>Police very much palmed it off as a teenager just

0:40:58.040 --> 0:41:01.600
<v Speaker 1>kind of going, you know, off killing run away, run away,

0:41:01.880 --> 0:41:03.640
<v Speaker 1>like she's gone out somewhere.

0:41:03.400 --> 0:41:06.120
<v Speaker 2>She spent a zone or something that's yeah.

0:41:06.280 --> 0:41:06.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:41:07.360 --> 0:41:11.280
<v Speaker 1>Police told Rachel's mum that ninety seven percent of missing

0:41:11.360 --> 0:41:13.439
<v Speaker 1>teens turn up within the first two days.

0:41:14.200 --> 0:41:17.480
<v Speaker 2>Ninety seven percent. That's so high, really, you're right, Okay.

0:41:19.239 --> 0:41:22.080
<v Speaker 1>They just wouldn't listen to the fact that they were saying,

0:41:22.160 --> 0:41:25.960
<v Speaker 1>she's not like a wayward teen that would she wouldn't

0:41:26.040 --> 0:41:28.279
<v Speaker 1>do this to us. She's not gone out and like,

0:41:28.400 --> 0:41:31.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, smoked a joint somewhere or gone out drinking

0:41:31.360 --> 0:41:32.640
<v Speaker 1>and as being unruly.

0:41:32.800 --> 0:41:34.560
<v Speaker 2>She's just not like that a hole.

0:41:35.000 --> 0:41:38.400
<v Speaker 1>They would not listen to that at all. So Elizabeth

0:41:38.400 --> 0:41:43.440
<v Speaker 1>and Michael themselves went out driving and just driving up

0:41:43.480 --> 0:41:45.480
<v Speaker 1>and down the streets near home, near any of the

0:41:45.560 --> 0:41:49.880
<v Speaker 1>tram stops around Richmond, all around Melbourne. They were asking

0:41:50.000 --> 0:41:52.399
<v Speaker 1>strangers if they had seen her, and no one said

0:41:52.400 --> 0:41:52.719
<v Speaker 1>they had.

0:41:53.400 --> 0:41:53.640
<v Speaker 6>Wow.

0:41:54.920 --> 0:41:59.000
<v Speaker 1>The next morning, Rachel still wasn't home. Her parents went

0:41:59.080 --> 0:42:01.760
<v Speaker 1>back to the police to give them photos of Rachel

0:42:01.960 --> 0:42:05.880
<v Speaker 1>to help with their search, only to find that they

0:42:05.960 --> 0:42:09.440
<v Speaker 1>had done nothing since the missing person's report was lodged

0:42:09.480 --> 0:42:12.600
<v Speaker 1>by Elizabeth. They really were just like, this isn't a

0:42:12.640 --> 0:42:18.759
<v Speaker 1>missing nineteen fifteen year old girl come. Her parents once

0:42:18.800 --> 0:42:21.320
<v Speaker 1>again took it into their own hands. They went to

0:42:21.440 --> 0:42:25.000
<v Speaker 1>dance factory and she hadn't turn up there either, which

0:42:25.000 --> 0:42:30.080
<v Speaker 1>again was very out of character she loved. They spoke

0:42:30.120 --> 0:42:34.080
<v Speaker 1>to her friends there, her teachers and her classmates again

0:42:34.640 --> 0:42:37.280
<v Speaker 1>only heard more of the same. They searched her locker,

0:42:37.520 --> 0:42:41.320
<v Speaker 1>but found and learned nothing new. They walked up and

0:42:41.360 --> 0:42:46.640
<v Speaker 1>down the streets of Richmond, speaking to shop owners. Many

0:42:46.719 --> 0:42:49.440
<v Speaker 1>said they recognized her, but they hadn't seen her in

0:42:49.480 --> 0:42:52.799
<v Speaker 1>the last day. The only person who said they had

0:42:53.040 --> 0:42:56.279
<v Speaker 1>seen her the day before was the shopkeeper in the

0:42:56.320 --> 0:43:01.320
<v Speaker 1>shoe shop, who said she had come in with a

0:43:01.440 --> 0:43:04.680
<v Speaker 1>young man who was money the day before. And asked

0:43:04.680 --> 0:43:07.520
<v Speaker 1>to put the blue platform shoes on hold because she

0:43:07.560 --> 0:43:09.200
<v Speaker 1>would be coming back the next day.

0:43:09.080 --> 0:43:12.520
<v Speaker 2>To buy hold. How beautiful. Yeah, but the.

0:43:12.560 --> 0:43:14.879
<v Speaker 1>Shopkeeper made a note that she had not come back

0:43:14.920 --> 0:43:19.239
<v Speaker 1>in that day to buy them. One thing they did

0:43:19.440 --> 0:43:24.760
<v Speaker 1>learn was their worst nightmare. Two of the shopkeepers in Richmond,

0:43:25.080 --> 0:43:28.760
<v Speaker 1>at separate shops told Elizabeth and Michael that the owner

0:43:28.960 --> 0:43:33.840
<v Speaker 1>of an illegal brothel that operated nearby had only recently,

0:43:34.200 --> 0:43:36.560
<v Speaker 1>like in the last couple of weeks, been released from jail,

0:43:37.400 --> 0:43:40.560
<v Speaker 1>and he had been in jail for exploiting underage girls

0:43:40.600 --> 0:43:41.080
<v Speaker 1>into sex.

0:43:41.320 --> 0:43:42.120
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

0:43:44.080 --> 0:43:47.280
<v Speaker 1>Now, Rachel's parents knew their daughter, and they were sure

0:43:47.480 --> 0:43:50.200
<v Speaker 1>she wouldn't have fallen into something like this kind of

0:43:50.560 --> 0:43:53.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, not sorry, not falling into but they knew

0:43:53.800 --> 0:43:57.560
<v Speaker 1>she wouldn't have chosen to do something like this.

0:43:57.719 --> 0:43:59.319
<v Speaker 2>So she had a job.

0:44:00.440 --> 0:44:02.719
<v Speaker 1>So when she was saying, you know, there's a job

0:44:02.800 --> 0:44:06.520
<v Speaker 1>I've got to do tonight, they were really confident she

0:44:06.560 --> 0:44:10.919
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have planned for that, right, But they were absolutely

0:44:11.520 --> 0:44:16.320
<v Speaker 1>terrified that perhaps this is somehow been linked to it.

0:44:19.000 --> 0:44:23.839
<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth went to the brothel and begged to know whether

0:44:23.960 --> 0:44:27.040
<v Speaker 1>Rachel had been there, if anyone recognized her, but they

0:44:27.239 --> 0:44:30.160
<v Speaker 1>swore they didn't. They said, we're not trying to cover

0:44:30.239 --> 0:44:33.520
<v Speaker 1>anything up here. We swear to you we don't recognize her.

0:44:35.160 --> 0:44:37.120
<v Speaker 1>She didn't know whether to believe them or not, so

0:44:37.200 --> 0:44:39.560
<v Speaker 1>she made a call to the and this is what

0:44:39.640 --> 0:44:43.320
<v Speaker 1>it's called the Sex Workers Outreach Program, which worked in

0:44:43.480 --> 0:44:45.839
<v Speaker 1>protecting and focusing on the health and safety of sex

0:44:45.920 --> 0:44:49.480
<v Speaker 1>workers in Melbourne. They took down the details of her

0:44:49.560 --> 0:44:52.640
<v Speaker 1>appearance and description, but said they were confident. They said

0:44:52.640 --> 0:44:55.000
<v Speaker 1>they didn't recognize her, and they were confident that she

0:44:55.080 --> 0:44:57.040
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have got caught up in that world due to

0:44:57.160 --> 0:44:59.799
<v Speaker 1>her young age. The fact that this guy had been

0:45:00.120 --> 0:45:04.359
<v Speaker 1>arrested and gone to jail for exploiting underage girls kind

0:45:04.400 --> 0:45:07.360
<v Speaker 1>of made them more confident that, like they've learned not

0:45:07.600 --> 0:45:07.800
<v Speaker 1>to do.

0:45:08.000 --> 0:45:08.680
<v Speaker 2>Yes, okay.

0:45:20.840 --> 0:45:24.719
<v Speaker 1>The barbers then went to Richmond Police Station because they

0:45:24.760 --> 0:45:27.719
<v Speaker 1>were there, and Richmond Police Station is almost a bit

0:45:27.760 --> 0:45:31.560
<v Speaker 1>of a hub. It's considered an inner city station. So

0:45:31.640 --> 0:45:34.000
<v Speaker 1>they went there to report her missing, as the dance

0:45:34.080 --> 0:45:37.640
<v Speaker 1>factory teachers did as well. But they were told there

0:45:37.840 --> 0:45:41.160
<v Speaker 1>that because she'd already been reported at the local station

0:45:41.280 --> 0:45:43.640
<v Speaker 1>and now I've got here that she was reported missing

0:45:43.640 --> 0:45:47.600
<v Speaker 1>at box Hill station. I said Bayswater Station earlier. I

0:45:47.760 --> 0:45:51.720
<v Speaker 1>don't so box Hill and Bayswater aren't super super close.

0:45:53.280 --> 0:45:55.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't know why. It might have been that boux

0:45:55.360 --> 0:45:58.279
<v Speaker 1>Hill station was the only one that had that was

0:45:58.360 --> 0:46:00.680
<v Speaker 1>manned twenty four hours or something when that when she

0:46:00.800 --> 0:46:03.040
<v Speaker 1>went like after because it was eight pm or something

0:46:03.080 --> 0:46:06.160
<v Speaker 1>where she went to report her missing. I don't know

0:46:06.239 --> 0:46:09.120
<v Speaker 1>why it was boux Hill station, but it was apologized

0:46:09.160 --> 0:46:11.239
<v Speaker 1>what I said earlier. It is definitely boux Hill station

0:46:11.360 --> 0:46:15.040
<v Speaker 1>that she went to. But yeah, the police at Richmond

0:46:15.160 --> 0:46:18.520
<v Speaker 1>said she's already been report missing there. They'll deal with

0:46:18.640 --> 0:46:21.040
<v Speaker 1>it right, And they were kind of saying, but we

0:46:21.200 --> 0:46:23.680
<v Speaker 1>realized this is where she was last seen and they

0:46:23.719 --> 0:46:25.319
<v Speaker 1>were like, oh, they've got it. They'll be fine, they

0:46:25.360 --> 0:46:27.800
<v Speaker 1>can deal with it right. So they were really like,

0:46:28.560 --> 0:46:30.040
<v Speaker 1>really felt like police.

0:46:29.719 --> 0:46:31.760
<v Speaker 2>Weren't looking into it seriously.

0:46:33.719 --> 0:46:36.719
<v Speaker 1>Her parents find around hospitals all around Melbourne to see

0:46:36.719 --> 0:46:40.040
<v Speaker 1>if she had ended up there somehow. They were told

0:46:40.080 --> 0:46:42.920
<v Speaker 1>that the privacy laws meant that they couldn't disclose the

0:46:43.000 --> 0:46:47.319
<v Speaker 1>identity of any patients even yeah, so.

0:46:47.320 --> 0:46:48.760
<v Speaker 2>It makes her more worried.

0:46:49.080 --> 0:46:53.799
<v Speaker 1>That's then they had another idea. They could get their

0:46:54.400 --> 0:46:58.520
<v Speaker 1>telco company to provide them with the details of numbers

0:46:58.680 --> 0:47:02.160
<v Speaker 1>that had called or like a received calls to their

0:47:02.239 --> 0:47:04.759
<v Speaker 1>home phone or calls placed in you know, the days

0:47:04.840 --> 0:47:06.680
<v Speaker 1>later to try and find out more about what this

0:47:06.880 --> 0:47:09.840
<v Speaker 1>job might have been and who calls.

0:47:09.640 --> 0:47:12.040
<v Speaker 2>Of the home phone exactly.

0:47:12.760 --> 0:47:16.200
<v Speaker 1>But guess what the privacy laws meant. They couldn't do that.

0:47:16.560 --> 0:47:18.160
<v Speaker 2>Either, even of that company.

0:47:18.400 --> 0:47:22.359
<v Speaker 1>They could provide the numbers of outgoing calls made right,

0:47:22.880 --> 0:47:24.600
<v Speaker 1>but not incoming.

0:47:24.880 --> 0:47:26.920
<v Speaker 2>Their own house, yes and not.

0:47:27.719 --> 0:47:31.919
<v Speaker 1>They couldn't say the identity of the numbers that were called,

0:47:31.960 --> 0:47:33.560
<v Speaker 1>like so it was like, oh, we've called this you know,

0:47:33.719 --> 0:47:36.560
<v Speaker 1>nine five eight nine, But they couldn't say and that

0:47:36.719 --> 0:47:38.919
<v Speaker 1>is linked to what you give number like that, that's

0:47:39.000 --> 0:47:41.720
<v Speaker 1>not your number. That was the start of my homeo

0:47:42.200 --> 0:47:42.640
<v Speaker 1>growing up.

0:47:43.000 --> 0:47:45.719
<v Speaker 2>But also I don't really understand that because that's your

0:47:45.760 --> 0:47:50.880
<v Speaker 2>personal information, isn't it if you called that person, Why

0:47:50.920 --> 0:47:52.400
<v Speaker 2>can't they give the name of the person that was

0:47:52.440 --> 0:47:54.319
<v Speaker 2>on the end of the line. Is it's just how

0:47:54.360 --> 0:47:55.440
<v Speaker 2>it was in Australia back then.

0:47:55.640 --> 0:48:01.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I suppose that was a someone's name and number linked. Yes,

0:48:01.680 --> 0:48:06.279
<v Speaker 1>against the privacy laws as just people themselves, like you know,

0:48:06.360 --> 0:48:09.279
<v Speaker 1>police would be able to get that kind of but

0:48:09.680 --> 0:48:15.239
<v Speaker 1>just the barber appearance weren't given that. So they checked

0:48:15.280 --> 0:48:18.080
<v Speaker 1>their outgoing calls and from what they could see, they'd

0:48:18.080 --> 0:48:23.400
<v Speaker 1>all been to known people. The barbers and Rachel's friends

0:48:23.680 --> 0:48:26.400
<v Speaker 1>took the missing person's case, took on the missing person's

0:48:26.520 --> 0:48:31.400
<v Speaker 1>case themselves. Essentially, they printed out handfuls of missing persons posters.

0:48:31.520 --> 0:48:35.640
<v Speaker 1>They were going door to door around Richmond, around Melbourne City,

0:48:35.880 --> 0:48:39.759
<v Speaker 1>around anywhere anywhere they could. They was posting them on

0:48:39.880 --> 0:48:43.120
<v Speaker 1>lamp posts all around the city. It wasn't until day

0:48:43.239 --> 0:48:46.760
<v Speaker 1>three of Rachel not being seen the box Hill police

0:48:46.800 --> 0:48:49.880
<v Speaker 1>officers said that they were going to dance Factory to

0:48:50.000 --> 0:48:52.799
<v Speaker 1>interview her classmates and teachers.

0:48:52.520 --> 0:48:55.080
<v Speaker 2>And the last people that had seen her day three.

0:48:55.239 --> 0:48:59.440
<v Speaker 1>YEP, and put together an official timeline to search for her.

0:49:00.680 --> 0:49:03.480
<v Speaker 2>I feel like, even though like ninety seven percent of

0:49:03.840 --> 0:49:06.359
<v Speaker 2>runaways or whatever come back after a certain point two

0:49:06.480 --> 0:49:11.960
<v Speaker 2>days two days, and Yep is found dead within two days,

0:49:12.080 --> 0:49:14.880
<v Speaker 2>usually like that is a statistic. You often hear that

0:49:14.960 --> 0:49:17.840
<v Speaker 2>within forty eight hours or seventy two hours, they're actually

0:49:17.920 --> 0:49:19.920
<v Speaker 2>the most critical moments.

0:49:20.040 --> 0:49:23.359
<v Speaker 1>Doesn't the fact that they didn't go, They didn't say

0:49:23.520 --> 0:49:26.560
<v Speaker 1>until day three, all right, let's go and interview people

0:49:26.600 --> 0:49:28.920
<v Speaker 1>and put a timeline together. Does that not show that

0:49:29.000 --> 0:49:31.279
<v Speaker 1>they weren't treating it as a missing person's case. They

0:49:31.320 --> 0:49:34.520
<v Speaker 1>were treating it as a teenager who hadn't come home. Yeah,

0:49:34.640 --> 0:49:36.239
<v Speaker 1>so it was day three that they were like, okay,

0:49:36.280 --> 0:49:39.640
<v Speaker 1>we'll go to dance factory. My god, they didn't go

0:49:39.719 --> 0:49:40.799
<v Speaker 1>to dance factory.

0:49:40.480 --> 0:49:43.960
<v Speaker 2>That day what they said they would, and they didn't go.

0:49:44.280 --> 0:49:49.719
<v Speaker 1>They didn't go. They instead suggested that because they said

0:49:49.760 --> 0:49:51.560
<v Speaker 1>to the barbers, you know, we'll go today, and they said,

0:49:51.640 --> 0:49:52.759
<v Speaker 1>we've already fucking done that.

0:49:53.320 --> 0:49:54.760
<v Speaker 2>Do you mind if I use your cat trains?

0:49:54.960 --> 0:49:55.160
<v Speaker 3>Go on?

0:49:55.480 --> 0:49:56.040
<v Speaker 2>Fuck off?

0:49:56.400 --> 0:50:01.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it feels good, doesn't good. Police instead suggested Rachel's

0:50:02.040 --> 0:50:07.200
<v Speaker 1>parents compile a list of Rachel's associates and they'd start there.

0:50:08.000 --> 0:50:09.680
<v Speaker 2>Rachel's associates, she's a kid.

0:50:10.600 --> 0:50:12.879
<v Speaker 1>Well, you tell us anyone Rachel speaks to, and we'll

0:50:12.960 --> 0:50:16.680
<v Speaker 1>go and we'll start speaking to them. They also told

0:50:16.719 --> 0:50:20.160
<v Speaker 1>her parents to check under the house in case Rachel

0:50:20.280 --> 0:50:25.120
<v Speaker 1>had come back was too scared to return inside, thinking

0:50:25.239 --> 0:50:31.160
<v Speaker 1>she might be in trouble. What like a runaway cat?

0:50:32.840 --> 0:50:33.720
<v Speaker 2>What are you talking about?

0:50:34.520 --> 0:50:38.279
<v Speaker 1>They knew she would never do this, but still they

0:50:38.360 --> 0:50:45.080
<v Speaker 1>searched under the house, sure of course. Now, Sammy, when

0:50:45.120 --> 0:50:51.680
<v Speaker 1>a female goes missing or a body is found, who

0:50:51.760 --> 0:50:52.680
<v Speaker 1>do we look at? First?

0:50:52.760 --> 0:50:53.640
<v Speaker 2>Boyfriend or partner?

0:50:54.840 --> 0:50:57.920
<v Speaker 1>This is where police's mind went to as well or husband.

0:50:59.239 --> 0:51:03.239
<v Speaker 1>Rachel was her boyfriend. Mannie was sixteen. They were young

0:51:03.440 --> 0:51:07.640
<v Speaker 1>and in love. Their families were really close, but they

0:51:07.680 --> 0:51:10.440
<v Speaker 1>were definitely not allowed sleepover. It was very much like

0:51:10.719 --> 0:51:12.839
<v Speaker 1>a young teenage relationship. They were young.

0:51:12.920 --> 0:51:15.160
<v Speaker 2>She made me a pillow so clean.

0:51:16.160 --> 0:51:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Police brought Manny in for questioning, and they weren't soft

0:51:20.000 --> 0:51:23.759
<v Speaker 1>on him. They put to him the scenario that he

0:51:23.960 --> 0:51:27.359
<v Speaker 1>had got Rachel pregnant, oh my god, and was either

0:51:27.480 --> 0:51:31.440
<v Speaker 1>hiding her somewhere or had done something to her when

0:51:31.520 --> 0:51:33.560
<v Speaker 1>she had given him the news that she was or

0:51:33.600 --> 0:51:38.719
<v Speaker 1>thought she was pregnant. She and Mannie spoke every day

0:51:38.960 --> 0:51:42.759
<v Speaker 1>and all day, so it was unbelievable to police that

0:51:42.960 --> 0:51:46.560
<v Speaker 1>he had just said goodbye after school and not probed

0:51:46.600 --> 0:51:49.120
<v Speaker 1>her on what this mysterious job was and just let

0:51:49.160 --> 0:51:49.360
<v Speaker 1>her go.

0:51:49.719 --> 0:51:51.600
<v Speaker 2>No, she was going to call her when she got home.

0:51:51.760 --> 0:51:54.480
<v Speaker 1>But police were saying, that doesn't check out. Everyone says

0:51:54.520 --> 0:51:59.040
<v Speaker 1>you spend every moment together, and you're saying she said

0:51:59.120 --> 0:52:00.920
<v Speaker 1>she had a job to go to, but didn't tell

0:52:00.960 --> 0:52:02.640
<v Speaker 1>me what or where it was, and you just let

0:52:02.680 --> 0:52:07.000
<v Speaker 1>it go like really, that's how police sixteen years old

0:52:08.360 --> 0:52:11.400
<v Speaker 1>Manny swaw black and blue that this had not happened.

0:52:12.480 --> 0:52:15.360
<v Speaker 1>He had been out searching for her with her family,

0:52:15.719 --> 0:52:21.560
<v Speaker 1>placing posters everywhere. He was distraught, but police weren't so sure.

0:52:23.600 --> 0:52:26.839
<v Speaker 1>They eventually pushed him into admitting that, yes, they had

0:52:27.040 --> 0:52:30.080
<v Speaker 1>had sex, which he had not. Neither of them had

0:52:30.120 --> 0:52:35.200
<v Speaker 1>told anyone, despite starting off by saying that they hadn't.

0:52:36.080 --> 0:52:38.279
<v Speaker 1>And this just put a bigger question mark over the

0:52:38.360 --> 0:52:40.080
<v Speaker 1>sixteen year old to police.

0:52:39.880 --> 0:52:40.920
<v Speaker 2>Because they thought he lied.

0:52:41.040 --> 0:52:47.120
<v Speaker 1>And then, oh my god, listen to Thursday's episode. The

0:52:47.200 --> 0:52:51.160
<v Speaker 1>story hit the news. Of course, they were posters everywhere

0:52:51.320 --> 0:52:53.840
<v Speaker 1>of a missing person, but not just any missing person,

0:52:53.960 --> 0:52:55.400
<v Speaker 1>if you want to look at it this way, and

0:52:55.480 --> 0:52:58.840
<v Speaker 1>as we always say about you know bias, it was

0:52:58.960 --> 0:53:03.920
<v Speaker 1>a missing, young, beautiful, talented teenage girl from a loving family.

0:53:05.320 --> 0:53:07.000
<v Speaker 1>The case hitting the news led to a lot of

0:53:07.080 --> 0:53:11.879
<v Speaker 1>reports about possible sightings. All leads were followed, but inevitably

0:53:12.600 --> 0:53:17.560
<v Speaker 1>proved fruitless. Every single lead that came up, CCTV was

0:53:18.360 --> 0:53:22.719
<v Speaker 1>scoured through areas of potential sightings from all the tip

0:53:22.760 --> 0:53:26.160
<v Speaker 1>offs and everything were visited. There was absolutely nothing that

0:53:26.360 --> 0:53:29.759
<v Speaker 1>confirmed she was or had been anywhere after her last

0:53:29.800 --> 0:53:32.360
<v Speaker 1>confirmed sighting by her friends walking in the opposite direction

0:53:32.520 --> 0:53:36.480
<v Speaker 1>towards a different tram that was the last confirmed sighting

0:53:36.600 --> 0:53:41.920
<v Speaker 1>of her. Police searched Rachel's bedroom and found a handwritten

0:53:42.040 --> 0:53:48.040
<v Speaker 1>note that read station go to money, fifty to eighty

0:53:48.120 --> 0:53:55.360
<v Speaker 1>dollars three special things. When this note was shown to

0:53:55.400 --> 0:53:59.279
<v Speaker 1>her parents, her mum, Elizabeth, remembered that about four months

0:53:59.320 --> 0:54:02.920
<v Speaker 1>prior lead up to Christmas, Rachel had said that she

0:54:03.080 --> 0:54:06.840
<v Speaker 1>wanted to buy three special things for her boyfriend money,

0:54:07.520 --> 0:54:10.360
<v Speaker 1>So the fifty to eighty dollars probably meant the amount

0:54:10.480 --> 0:54:12.759
<v Speaker 1>that she thought she would be able to spend or

0:54:12.880 --> 0:54:16.440
<v Speaker 1>was willing to spend, but police weren't convinced about this.

0:54:17.440 --> 0:54:20.960
<v Speaker 1>They took the note to mean that the fifty to

0:54:21.080 --> 0:54:23.640
<v Speaker 1>eighty dollars was the amount of money she would need

0:54:23.920 --> 0:54:26.560
<v Speaker 1>to be able to run away, and that she wanted

0:54:26.640 --> 0:54:29.840
<v Speaker 1>to take three special things with her, and that the

0:54:30.120 --> 0:54:33.920
<v Speaker 1>quote go to money written down solidified their belief that

0:54:34.040 --> 0:54:36.200
<v Speaker 1>he had helped her run away or hide.

0:54:36.640 --> 0:54:36.920
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

0:54:39.840 --> 0:54:43.720
<v Speaker 1>Sure of this theory, police suggested that Elizabeth and Michael

0:54:44.560 --> 0:54:48.920
<v Speaker 1>turn their focus into counseling themselves about the fact that

0:54:49.080 --> 0:54:53.279
<v Speaker 1>Rachel may have chosen chosen to run away and to

0:54:53.360 --> 0:54:56.200
<v Speaker 1>perhaps start focusing on the well being of their other

0:54:56.280 --> 0:55:02.200
<v Speaker 1>two daughters. That's horrific, I will say alleged, because I've

0:55:02.360 --> 0:55:06.840
<v Speaker 1>heard this in numerous reports. I haven't read, you know,

0:55:06.920 --> 0:55:09.480
<v Speaker 1>any court documents that say this, but this is what

0:55:10.640 --> 0:55:14.080
<v Speaker 1>her parents have said was told to them by police.

0:55:14.200 --> 0:55:19.960
<v Speaker 1>My god, Obviously they couldn't and wouldn't do that. They

0:55:20.160 --> 0:55:23.520
<v Speaker 1>knew that Rachel had not run away. They just knew.

0:55:25.560 --> 0:55:27.440
<v Speaker 1>So once again they felt like they were taking the

0:55:27.480 --> 0:55:31.319
<v Speaker 1>search efforts upon themselves. They would man the phone at

0:55:31.400 --> 0:55:34.120
<v Speaker 1>all hours and took note of every single person who

0:55:34.160 --> 0:55:37.360
<v Speaker 1>had called to check in on the search. You know,

0:55:37.440 --> 0:55:39.440
<v Speaker 1>people were calling in and saying, how are you doing?

0:55:39.520 --> 0:55:43.120
<v Speaker 1>What can I do to help her? They were aware

0:55:43.400 --> 0:55:47.000
<v Speaker 1>of the notion that often people who kind of get

0:55:47.120 --> 0:55:51.800
<v Speaker 1>involved in the search, if for someone's disappearance, could be

0:55:52.239 --> 0:55:54.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, like that. You know, they've seen documentaries, they've

0:55:54.360 --> 0:55:57.239
<v Speaker 1>read stories about when someone goes missing and then it

0:55:57.360 --> 0:56:00.560
<v Speaker 1>turns out that someone involved has helped in the search.

0:56:01.040 --> 0:56:04.920
<v Speaker 1>So they're being like hyper kind of anxious and aware

0:56:05.000 --> 0:56:07.320
<v Speaker 1>and going, well, let's kind of take a note of

0:56:07.360 --> 0:56:12.040
<v Speaker 1>everyone who's calling and offering stuff. Now, nobody knows by

0:56:12.160 --> 0:56:15.600
<v Speaker 1>March six, so it was March one that she was

0:56:15.920 --> 0:56:19.440
<v Speaker 1>last seen. By March six, they thought that they may

0:56:19.560 --> 0:56:23.960
<v Speaker 1>have a suspect in mind. Oh, they being Rachel's parents.

0:56:24.040 --> 0:56:26.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, right, a boy in.

0:56:26.560 --> 0:56:30.759
<v Speaker 1>Rachel's widest social circle called the family home to check

0:56:30.800 --> 0:56:35.040
<v Speaker 1>in on the search, and this pricked up Elizabeth's spidey senses.

0:56:35.320 --> 0:56:35.839
<v Speaker 2>Right, okay.

0:56:36.600 --> 0:56:40.000
<v Speaker 1>This boy had previously turned up to their house unannounced

0:56:40.040 --> 0:56:46.719
<v Speaker 1>and uninvited, oh, had given Rachel unwanted gifts, had regularly

0:56:46.840 --> 0:56:49.520
<v Speaker 1>called the home phone and asked to speak to her,

0:56:49.600 --> 0:56:51.240
<v Speaker 1>and Rachel had said no, I don't want to speak

0:56:51.239 --> 0:56:55.160
<v Speaker 1>to him. And he'd even been seen lurking outside her window.

0:56:55.840 --> 0:56:58.080
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's very strange. Was he similar age, like he's

0:56:58.120 --> 0:56:59.040
<v Speaker 2>fifteen years old.

0:56:58.840 --> 0:57:01.880
<v Speaker 1>And actually could there's limited information on.

0:57:01.920 --> 0:57:03.600
<v Speaker 2>This, that's very strange. Yeah.

0:57:05.200 --> 0:57:09.800
<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth took this information straight to the police and was

0:57:09.920 --> 0:57:14.319
<v Speaker 1>told allegedly they were already putting a lot of resources

0:57:14.440 --> 0:57:17.440
<v Speaker 1>and time into Rachel's case. So we can't afford to

0:57:17.480 --> 0:57:20.720
<v Speaker 1>be chasing down any and every lead or spidy sense from.

0:57:20.640 --> 0:57:23.720
<v Speaker 2>A mother Oh fuck off from a mother who knows

0:57:23.800 --> 0:57:28.000
<v Speaker 2>best and knows her daughter. That is crazy, right, isn't

0:57:28.000 --> 0:57:30.000
<v Speaker 2>that fucking all four full?

0:57:30.280 --> 0:57:34.640
<v Speaker 1>Like? Okay, Like Elizabeth, Yeah, we're doing a lot, like

0:57:34.840 --> 0:57:37.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, because you've had a random memory and the

0:57:37.640 --> 0:57:39.840
<v Speaker 1>thought like you need to kind of calm down, leave

0:57:39.880 --> 0:57:40.880
<v Speaker 1>it to us kind of thing.

0:57:41.040 --> 0:57:43.000
<v Speaker 2>Leave it to us. We didn't even check the dance

0:57:43.000 --> 0:57:44.560
<v Speaker 2>school on the day they said they did.

0:57:44.800 --> 0:57:50.040
<v Speaker 1>Which was day three of her going. When she was

0:57:50.120 --> 0:57:54.320
<v Speaker 1>told this, Elizabeth ran crying from the station. She broke

0:57:54.400 --> 0:57:56.680
<v Speaker 1>down in the middle of the street, screaming, they're going

0:57:56.720 --> 0:57:58.000
<v Speaker 1>to let my little girl die.

0:57:58.400 --> 0:58:01.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, this poor mother.

0:58:02.040 --> 0:58:07.800
<v Speaker 1>You just can't you just cannot enough. Fatherm The following day,

0:58:07.880 --> 0:58:11.120
<v Speaker 1>March seven, was Elizabeth's fortieth birthday.

0:58:11.480 --> 0:58:12.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

0:58:13.040 --> 0:58:16.640
<v Speaker 1>The family spent it searching again endlessly for their missing daughter.

0:58:18.800 --> 0:58:21.880
<v Speaker 1>The following day, which was a week after Rachel had

0:58:21.960 --> 0:58:28.200
<v Speaker 1>been seen last, something new came out to police. A

0:58:28.280 --> 0:58:31.480
<v Speaker 1>girl named Alison, who was the sister of one of

0:58:31.560 --> 0:58:36.280
<v Speaker 1>Rachel's friends. Okay saw Rachel's face on the news, so

0:58:36.440 --> 0:58:40.560
<v Speaker 1>she hadn't seen anything about that. Rachel's friend had a

0:58:40.680 --> 0:58:44.240
<v Speaker 1>sister named Alison, and the first Allison had seen or

0:58:44.320 --> 0:58:46.200
<v Speaker 1>heard of this missing person's case.

0:58:46.280 --> 0:58:47.480
<v Speaker 2>She knew Rachel hadn't seen.

0:58:47.640 --> 0:58:51.480
<v Speaker 1>Yes, she saw it on the news and called police.

0:58:52.240 --> 0:58:52.360
<v Speaker 3>Now.

0:58:52.400 --> 0:58:53.920
<v Speaker 1>And you have to remember as well, this was well

0:58:54.000 --> 0:58:55.880
<v Speaker 1>before the days of you know, social media or anything,

0:58:56.040 --> 0:58:57.440
<v Speaker 1>so you would you would only say this if you

0:58:57.480 --> 0:59:01.360
<v Speaker 1>looked at a newspaper or the news. And as she

0:59:01.440 --> 0:59:06.360
<v Speaker 1>as a teenage girl, she had she called police. She said,

0:59:07.080 --> 0:59:11.840
<v Speaker 1>I know that I saw Rachel on March one, at

0:59:11.880 --> 0:59:17.440
<v Speaker 1>about six forty pm six on a tram headed to Paran,

0:59:18.680 --> 0:59:25.400
<v Speaker 1>which is another suburb in Melbourne. Very not New Pacewater, No,

0:59:26.360 --> 0:59:29.720
<v Speaker 1>like in the it's not far from Richmond. No, it's

0:59:29.760 --> 0:59:33.640
<v Speaker 1>not to drive, but even on a tram, yeah, probably

0:59:34.000 --> 0:59:37.760
<v Speaker 1>ten minutes sure, yeah, but in the very much not

0:59:37.920 --> 0:59:44.760
<v Speaker 1>in the direction of her home, she said. Allison said

0:59:44.800 --> 0:59:48.640
<v Speaker 1>that Rachel was with another female that she described as

0:59:49.280 --> 0:59:54.600
<v Speaker 1>slightly older and very plain looking. Okay, six forty pm

0:59:54.760 --> 0:59:57.439
<v Speaker 1>was an hour after Rachel's friends had seen her walk

0:59:57.480 --> 1:00:04.280
<v Speaker 1>towards a different tram stop, so checked out that. Alison

1:00:04.400 --> 1:00:08.640
<v Speaker 1>said that the Rachel and this other female seemed comfortable

1:00:08.680 --> 1:00:10.840
<v Speaker 1>in each other's company, so it didn't appear to be

1:00:10.920 --> 1:00:11.480
<v Speaker 1>a stranger.

1:00:11.520 --> 1:00:14.640
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So like alarm bells, weren't raised for her. She

1:00:14.840 --> 1:00:16.800
<v Speaker 2>saw that as an normal situation. She was like, Oh,

1:00:16.880 --> 1:00:19.200
<v Speaker 2>that's my sister's from Rachel and she's with another friend.

1:00:20.920 --> 1:00:24.440
<v Speaker 1>Alison remembered that they got off the tram together in Paran,

1:00:25.880 --> 1:00:28.680
<v Speaker 1>which is why she remembered that that's where the that

1:00:28.720 --> 1:00:37.240
<v Speaker 1>they got there. Police took this lead seriously. Finally they

1:00:37.320 --> 1:00:40.880
<v Speaker 1>compiled a sketch of this old girl based on Allison's description.

1:00:42.240 --> 1:00:46.040
<v Speaker 1>Michael and Elizabeth Barber, Rachel's parents were shattered when they

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<v Speaker 1>saw the sketch because it didn't immediately spark any recognition. No, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>they both said there was kind of some familiarity in

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<v Speaker 1>it maybe, but not like a oh it looks a

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<v Speaker 1>bit like this person.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just a bit like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, which they were really disheartened.

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<v Speaker 2>They're finally got a sketch. They're going, Okay, this might

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<v Speaker 2>be a lead, but you don't recognize that sketch that

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<v Speaker 2>week you go anywhere from there. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>At the same time, the TV show Australia's Most Wanted.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh Wow, Yeah, that's show yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Asked the Barbers if they could feature Rachel's case on

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<v Speaker 1>their show.

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<v Speaker 2>That's kind of like a dateline in America. Oh yes, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Crime Watch is the other one that you think about,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah yeah, which is, yeah, a show that doesn't exist

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<v Speaker 2>anymore here in Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>But the Barber's obliged willingly anything that could possibly help.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was only then that the Victoria Police Missing

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<v Speaker 1>Persons Unit formally took over the investigation. So for a

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<v Speaker 1>week it had just been the box cell station. March

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<v Speaker 1>ten was Elizabeth and Michael's twentieth wedding anniversary.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>They spent that day they.

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<v Speaker 2>Got mad when they're like twenty Yeah, Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>They spent that day fielding calls with tip offs, doing

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<v Speaker 1>a press conference to plead for their daughter's safe return,

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<v Speaker 1>and again searching the streets.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh your heart just breaks for them, my god.

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<v Speaker 1>And it doesn't matter what day it is, but I've

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<v Speaker 1>just noted on the script that Elizabeth's fortieth birthday, their

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<v Speaker 1>twentieth anniversary, Like, you know, they should.

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<v Speaker 2>Go to these old state events going I'm heartbroken. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to do anything.

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<v Speaker 1>For yours and they should be moments in time that

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<v Speaker 1>you remembered for being.

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<v Speaker 2>Happy, beautiful kids.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Police dressed up a mannequin as Rachel had been dressed

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<v Speaker 1>that day and put it at the street corner that

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<v Speaker 1>Alison had seen Rachel and this girl get off the

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<v Speaker 1>train right in the hopes that seeing someone dressed like

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<v Speaker 1>that might kind of jog someone's memory.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you mean they put it in the report?

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<v Speaker 1>They yes, I think it must have been so her

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<v Speaker 1>parents did the press conference that day and they placed

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<v Speaker 1>it like four. Yeah, they were putting it in the

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<v Speaker 1>news that day, so the news stories could have like

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<v Speaker 1>this is what she was wearing on this street corner

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<v Speaker 1>that day in the news stories on the news that

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<v Speaker 1>night for the newspapers. The missing Person's unit took the

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<v Speaker 1>list that the Barbers had compiled of all the people

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<v Speaker 1>who had called the home in the days leading up

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<v Speaker 1>to and since Rachel's disappearance. Only one of these numbers

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<v Speaker 1>could have been, you know, described as a slightly older

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<v Speaker 1>female who was a person called Caroline Read Robertson. She

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<v Speaker 1>had called the Barber's home in March seven to ask

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<v Speaker 1>after the family, upon hearing of Rachel's disappearance, ask how

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<v Speaker 1>they were doing and if she could do anything to

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<v Speaker 1>help the Robertson's. So this Caroline's family and the Barbers

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<v Speaker 1>had been neighbors in the Barber's previous home. Oh, both

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<v Speaker 1>families had three daughters, but the Robertsons were slightly older.

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<v Speaker 1>So Caroline, the eldest of that family, was often tasked

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<v Speaker 1>with babysitting kind of all five, you know, her two

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<v Speaker 1>sisters and the three barber girls, or even just the

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<v Speaker 1>Barber girls themselves. She was five years older than Rachel,

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<v Speaker 1>so was kind of a good age buffer to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to kind of, you know, say, sit with them

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<v Speaker 1>for just an hour or two while the parents went

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<v Speaker 1>out for dinner or something like that. And Caroline and

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<v Speaker 1>Rachel got along, well, they weren't friends per se. Then

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<v Speaker 1>you have five years difference between them, which you know

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<v Speaker 1>as a kind of a child and a young teen. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but Caroline really in particular had a real fondness towards Rachel.

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<v Speaker 1>She even once photographed her for a school project in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety seven because remember she had Rachel had been

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<v Speaker 1>the subject of her grandma's photography session. So yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Caroline at school was doing photography and was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>can I photograph you? You know, as your grandma had Doe.

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<v Speaker 1>She kind of saw that as you know, a obblo

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<v Speaker 1>professional photographer's done that I could do that as well. Sure, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Caroline wasn't. I had not done dancing. She wasn't wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be described as particularly pretty as Rachel has had always been,

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<v Speaker 1>and she really seemed quite taken by the young beauty

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<v Speaker 1>of her family friend. Essentially, Caroline and Rachel were family friends.

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<v Speaker 2>A photographer like she was quite.

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<v Speaker 1>Police looked into Caroline just to cross her off the

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<v Speaker 1>list because she was the only kind of slightly older

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<v Speaker 1>female when they discovered something. Now nineteen Caroline lived in Paran.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, not even two hundred meters from the tram

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<v Speaker 1>stop Rachel had been seen disembarking with a slightly older female.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>Police asked the barbers about Caroline, which sparked Elizabeth to

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<v Speaker 1>remember that in late nineteen ninety eight, so say three months,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, three or four months, not long, pryer.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The babysitter had called Rachel to say that she knew

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<v Speaker 1>someone who was looking for models and asking if Rachel

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<v Speaker 1>was interested in any modeling work, knowing she'd done that

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<v Speaker 1>two week modeling course. Okay, Rachel was really excited by

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<v Speaker 1>the prospect and asked her mum, but her mum said

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<v Speaker 1>she was too young to do it and they weren't

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<v Speaker 1>comfortable with her doing any modeling at her age, and

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<v Speaker 1>they never spoke of it again. Police were able to

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<v Speaker 1>bypass the privacy laws that we spoke about before about checking,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the numbers and stuff the call logs to

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<v Speaker 1>their home phone. They found that Caroline had called the

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<v Speaker 1>barber home twice before the call of March seven, So

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<v Speaker 1>March seven was when she checked in barbers. The same

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<v Speaker 1>number had actually called twice before. Both had been on

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<v Speaker 1>February twenty eight, the day before the night before. The

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<v Speaker 1>first call was made at five twenty four pm and

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<v Speaker 1>went for fifteen last of fifteen minutes. The second call

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<v Speaker 1>was at five forty five pm and that call went

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<v Speaker 1>for twenty nine minutes. Elizabeth remembered Rachel answering the phone

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<v Speaker 1>twice that night and remembered that she was chatting happily

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<v Speaker 1>and was animated, and she assumed that it had been

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<v Speaker 1>money on the floor.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Finding out these calls had actually been from Caroline comforted

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<v Speaker 1>the barbers. While they didn't know why she would or

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<v Speaker 1>could possibly be with her, they knew Caroline and they

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<v Speaker 1>knew her family, so it was like, if that's the

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<v Speaker 1>person she was on the tram with, sure, more than

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<v Speaker 1>likely she'll be saved.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>Police went to Caroline's workplace to talk to her about

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<v Speaker 1>what she knew, but she wasn't there. Coworkers said she

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<v Speaker 1>had called in sick a few for a few times

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<v Speaker 1>over the past week and a half, which had been

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<v Speaker 1>out of character for her. She had first caught in

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<v Speaker 1>sick on March one, but came to work the next day,

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<v Speaker 1>but she left after only a couple of hours or

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<v Speaker 1>March too, okay. Police went to Caroline's apartment when she

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't work, the one in Paran, hoping they would find

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<v Speaker 1>Rachel there. They didn't know why, but that didn't matter yet.

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<v Speaker 1>No one answered the door when they knocked, so they

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<v Speaker 1>broke their way in, and there they found Caroline laying

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<v Speaker 1>face down on the floor, seemingly having some kind of

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<v Speaker 1>medical episode I guess seizure or refimed.

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<v Speaker 2>My god.

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<v Speaker 1>She was rushed to the hospital and police went with her.

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<v Speaker 1>When she came to police were there waiting to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to her. They asked if she had any knowledge of

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<v Speaker 1>where the fifteen year old girl she used to Babysit

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<v Speaker 1>might be Caroline said it was an accident. I killed her.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm going to give you a bit of background

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<v Speaker 1>about Caroline Read Robertson. Caroline Read Robinson was a deeply

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<v Speaker 1>unhappy girl. She hated herself and she hated her life.

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<v Speaker 1>She had always been an ostracized girl very much, described

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<v Speaker 1>always as being nondescript. She wasn't fashionable, she didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>many friends, she wasn't in the cool group at school.

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<v Speaker 1>She was slightly overweight, and she was very unhappy. Her

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<v Speaker 1>early life had been quite dysfunctional with her family. The

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<v Speaker 1>lots of family fights, and she copped a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>criticism from within her family. Her parents divorced when she

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<v Speaker 1>was sixteen, and this led to the relationship with her

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<v Speaker 1>mum deteriorating. She had such a bleak view of herself

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<v Speaker 1>that she once painted did a self portrait for a

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<v Speaker 1>school project and the self poor trip was just completely black.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>She'd write letters to her dad and notes to herself

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<v Speaker 1>in her diary that would say things like I get

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<v Speaker 1>teased badly at school, I get really really embarrassed, I

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<v Speaker 1>really really need help. These are quotes. One of the

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<v Speaker 1>letters read, I feel like a troubled, tortured, lost soul

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<v Speaker 1>that's been thrown into an alien environment full of angels.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how I have survived for this long

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<v Speaker 1>life for me sucks. The explosion is just going to

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<v Speaker 1>get bigger and bigger until there is nothing left inside me.

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<v Speaker 1>All of the feelings and horrible things everybody says about

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<v Speaker 1>me bottle up, and I have nowhere to explode everything.

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<v Speaker 1>She kept a diary, numerous diaries, and in a number

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<v Speaker 1>of entries, she would describe herself as quote pizza face,

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<v Speaker 1>which was very I don't know if it's a nineties

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<v Speaker 1>thing or if I just think that's something that as teenagers,

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<v Speaker 1>yes say that with quote brown, oily hair and no coordination.

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<v Speaker 1>She referred to herself as obese and ugly with a

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<v Speaker 1>massive nose. She'd write over and over that she hated herself,

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<v Speaker 1>she would never have friends, and that no one would

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<v Speaker 1>ever love her. Her young neighbor and family friend, Rachel Barber,

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<v Speaker 1>was everything that Caroline was not, popular, pretty, slim, talented,

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<v Speaker 1>and had a gorgeous equally popular boyfriend who adored her.

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<v Speaker 1>Caroline became enamored with Rachel. She would tell colleagues she

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have friends, but she would tell colleague colleagues that

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<v Speaker 1>she had friends in Melbourne's theater scene. Colleagues noted this

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<v Speaker 1>seemed at odds with who they saw Caroline to be.

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<v Speaker 1>They were like, right, What started as adoration turned into

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<v Speaker 1>obsession and eventually to a deep seated resentment. Caroline wanted

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<v Speaker 1>Rachel's life, so she was going to take it. On

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<v Speaker 1>February twenty eight, nineteen ninety nine, Caroline called Rachel at

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<v Speaker 1>home and said she had a paid psychology job for her.

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<v Speaker 1>The following night, she had tried to remember I said. Previously,

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<v Speaker 1>she'd said something about a modeling job, and she said,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not allowed.

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<v Speaker 3>To do that.

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<v Speaker 1>She said, there's a psychology job I can get for you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a study that would pay one hundred dollars cash,

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<v Speaker 1>but you're not allowed to tell anyone about it because

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<v Speaker 1>that could influence the study. Right if people knew about

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<v Speaker 1>it and started telling you things, that could influence it.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're not allowed to tell anyone about it before

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<v Speaker 1>it happens. She told Rachel that she would meet her

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<v Speaker 1>at the tram stop near Dance Factory after school that

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<v Speaker 1>day and they would go to Caroline's apartment for dinner

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<v Speaker 1>and then she would take her to do this study.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was there at Caroline's apartment that she enacted

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<v Speaker 1>the plan to kill the girl who had everything the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen year old did not herself have.

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<v Speaker 2>So she said it was an accident, but that was

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<v Speaker 2>a lie. She had planned this as a premeditator.

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<v Speaker 1>What happened inside the apartment on the night of March

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<v Speaker 1>one isn't exactly known because Caroline didn't ever explain clearly

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what happened. What is believed to have happened is this.

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<v Speaker 1>Once inside the apartment, they ordered pizza and chatted until

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<v Speaker 1>it arrived. When it did, Caroline drugged Rachel with a

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<v Speaker 1>drowsy powder and that's a quote which I'll Telly White's

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<v Speaker 1>a quote later on the pizza slices. When she was drowsy,

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<v Speaker 1>Caroline took Rachel to her bathtub and placed her in it. There,

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<v Speaker 1>Caroline took a telephone cord and wrapped it around Rachel's neck, strangling.

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<v Speaker 1>Caroline's next door neighbor, who shared a wall with the

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<v Speaker 1>bathroom in this apartment block, would later tell police that

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<v Speaker 1>he did wake at two am to the sound of

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<v Speaker 1>sobbing through the wall.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my God.

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<v Speaker 1>In the morning, Caroline stuffed Rachel's body in her wardrobe.

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<v Speaker 1>The cord was still wrapped around her neck, and Caroline went.

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<v Speaker 2>To work went to work with a body in her closet.

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<v Speaker 1>After a couple of hours, she ended up going home.

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<v Speaker 1>She was on her colleagues could say she could see

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<v Speaker 1>she was unwell, and she said she wasn't feeling well,

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<v Speaker 1>so she went home and her dad actually went to

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<v Speaker 1>check on her when he heard that she was unwell.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is March two. Her dad came in and

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<v Speaker 1>sat with her in the laundroom, but later noted that

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<v Speaker 1>she had kept her bedroom door closed the whole time.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>Throughout that day on March Too, Caroline made several phone

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<v Speaker 1>calls to a colleague asking they pay her the three

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and twenty dollars that she had previously loaned them,

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<v Speaker 1>saying she needed it now because she needed to move

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<v Speaker 1>some furniture to her dad's holiday home, which was out

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<v Speaker 1>in Kilmore, which is about eighty kilometers about a bit

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<v Speaker 1>more than a one hour drive from her home in Paran.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>She also on that day March Too, booked a removalist

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<v Speaker 1>for the following day. The following day, March three, she

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<v Speaker 1>took the day off sick again from work, to be

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<v Speaker 1>at home for the removalist. She told this person that

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<v Speaker 1>she was moving a statue, which was wrapped in two

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<v Speaker 1>blankets and placed inside an army back. She followed the

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<v Speaker 1>removes to her dad's holiday home in Kilmore, where the

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<v Speaker 1>removalus dropped off the army bag, took the payment and

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<v Speaker 1>went on his way.

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<v Speaker 2>This removal us, it had no idea.

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<v Speaker 1>What was Oh my god, no idea. There in Kilmore,

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<v Speaker 1>Caroline buried Rachel's body in a shallow grave on the

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<v Speaker 1>same part of the rural property where their late family

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<v Speaker 1>dog was buried. Rachel was buried under a small wooden

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<v Speaker 1>cross bearing the name Lucy in the pet cemetery at

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<v Speaker 1>their hot Oh Cool. The following day, March four, Caroline

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<v Speaker 1>returned to work, where she discussed with colleagues the news

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<v Speaker 1>that they'd all seen about a young dancer who had disappeared.

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<v Speaker 1>She told colleagues that she used to be her neighbor

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<v Speaker 1>and remarked that she had been known to run away

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<v Speaker 1>from home.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, planning that seed that there was possibility,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>A few days after this, Caroline went into her bank

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<v Speaker 1>and applied for a ten thousand dollars loan, telling the

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<v Speaker 1>bank staff that it was for a car and that

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<v Speaker 1>she needed it really urgently. She called in sick to

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<v Speaker 1>work again on March eleven and twelve, and sometime then

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<v Speaker 1>she used a packet of supermarket hair dye to dye

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<v Speaker 1>her own hair dark brown, the same color as Rachel's.

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<v Speaker 1>And then, as we know, on March twelve, police finally

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<v Speaker 1>found their way to Caroline's home. A search of her

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<v Speaker 1>apartment found a diary, and this is where they found

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<v Speaker 1>pages and pages of notes of self loathing.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh god.

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<v Speaker 1>They also found handwritten notes confirming her plans for what

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<v Speaker 1>she was going to do to Rachel.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>This is where she had written about herself as oh sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>She'd written about the drowsy powder. She had actually written

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<v Speaker 1>about lacing pizza with quote drowsy powder. One entry red

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<v Speaker 1>quote on the way to dance school. Say that she

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<v Speaker 1>can't tell anyone that she's meeting me as I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to give the study results to anyone. Dash ethics

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<v Speaker 1>dash highly confidential, not even your boyfriend or parents. Drug

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<v Speaker 1>Rachel quote sorry, parentheses toxic over mouth, put body into

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<v Speaker 1>army bags and disfigure and dump somewhere way out no

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<v Speaker 1>car end quote. Another entry read quote check farm including bags, Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 1>arrange bank, loan, moving van, night to disguise, hair, thoroughly

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<v Speaker 1>clean house, steam clean carpet. Police also found papers and

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<v Speaker 1>documents containing Rachel's name and personal details it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>thrown about strewn about her apartment. They also found notes

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<v Speaker 1>and plans about Caroline changing her name, notes about undergoing

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<v Speaker 1>plastic surgery and moving into state. There was also a

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<v Speaker 1>suitcase full of women's size eight clothing which was not

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<v Speaker 1>Caroline size, but it was Rachel's. Police were dumbfounded by

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<v Speaker 1>the notes and plans they found. They found documentation of

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<v Speaker 1>Rachel's family tree, details from her birth certificate, and written

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<v Speaker 1>records of conversations she had had that Caroline had had

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<v Speaker 1>with the young teen Rachel so obsessed with her. Police

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<v Speaker 1>found paperwork showing that she had set up a po

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<v Speaker 1>box like a postal box, so that she could receive

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<v Speaker 1>mail not to her own home that couldn't be kind

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<v Speaker 1>of traced who it was going to. And they found

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<v Speaker 1>an undated birth certificate application that had been completed in

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<v Speaker 1>the name of Rachel.

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<v Speaker 2>Bar So she was going to change her own name.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that that's the insinuation. Diary entries in Caroline's own diary,

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<v Speaker 1>in her handwriting, said that she intended to change her

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<v Speaker 1>name to Jem Southall, Southall being Elizabeth's maiden name, Elizabeth

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<v Speaker 1>Rachel's mum.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>So the kind of the insinuation or the what police

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<v Speaker 1>came up with is that Caroline was going to plant

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<v Speaker 1>to assume Rachel's identity. So she was going to go

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<v Speaker 1>by this name, Jem Southall, but she was dyeing her

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<v Speaker 1>hair to look like Rachel. She wanted all you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this birth certificate to have the same date time she

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<v Speaker 1>was born, place she was born. She wanted to become Rachel.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>When police got around to formally interviewing Caroline, her answers

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<v Speaker 1>were really frank and direct. She would just say, she's dead.

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<v Speaker 1>I buried her. It's too late. She confessed to keeping

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<v Speaker 1>Rachel's body in her apartment for two days before getting

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<v Speaker 1>the removalists to take her to her dad's property in Kilmore,

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<v Speaker 1>where she pretended it was a statue wrapped up in blankets.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh god, but.

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<v Speaker 1>That's where Caroline read Robertson's confession began and ended. She

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<v Speaker 1>refused to give any further details about how she had

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<v Speaker 1>killed her, why, or if or how long she had

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<v Speaker 1>been planning to do so. Caroline Read Robertson, nineteen years old,

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<v Speaker 1>was charged with the premeditated murder of fifteen year old

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<v Speaker 1>Rachel Barber. Rachel's auntie spoke to the media because her

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<v Speaker 1>parents were unable to do so. She said, Elizabeth and

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<v Speaker 1>quote this is what the auntie said. Elizabeth and Michael

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<v Speaker 1>are endeavored, endeavoring to bear the unbearable. They are being

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<v Speaker 1>supported by loving family and friends. We have all been

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<v Speaker 1>devastated by the death of their beloved daughter, Rachel. Rachel's

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<v Speaker 1>burning light has been dimmed, but will burn bright in

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<v Speaker 1>our hearts forever. She will always be young, beautiful, happy,

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<v Speaker 1>smiling and dancing in our hearts.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>Caroline Read Robertson's first court appearance was on March fifteen.

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<v Speaker 1>She rocked back and forth in the dock as her

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<v Speaker 1>lawyer told the court. All his client remembered from the

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<v Speaker 1>evening of March one was inviting Rachel back to her

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<v Speaker 1>flat and the two ordering pizza. That's all she said.

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<v Speaker 1>She remembered. Rachel Barber was farewelled at a devastating funeral

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<v Speaker 1>on March twenty four, with eight hundred and fifty mourners

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<v Speaker 1>in attendance.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, that's so sad. Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>Money helped carry the casket. Do you need him in that?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh so? Or maybe.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck, you're right for me to can do. Caroline wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>in court again until early two thousand, where she entered

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<v Speaker 1>her plea and she pleaded not guilty. Her trial was

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<v Speaker 1>set for later that year in two thousand, but by

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<v Speaker 1>the time the trial day came around, she had changed

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<v Speaker 1>her plea to guilty. She maintained she didn't remember the

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<v Speaker 1>details of what happened, but conceded she was responsible. The

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<v Speaker 1>prosecutor offered their explanation of the murder, stating that Caroline

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<v Speaker 1>was motivated by her jealousy of Rachel's attractiveness, her popularity,

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<v Speaker 1>and her success, and perhaps a desire to emulate the

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<v Speaker 1>success of a younger person with whom she had become infatuated.

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<v Speaker 1>In late November two thousand, The sentencing judge took into

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<v Speaker 1>consideration Caroline's deep self loathing, her long history of low

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<v Speaker 1>self esteem, and her mental health issues, but the judge

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<v Speaker 1>also detailed her calculated plans in alluring Rachel to her death.

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<v Speaker 1>He said that Reid Robertson quote demonstrated the operation of

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<v Speaker 1>a devious mind and manipulative abilities. He said, quote, At

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<v Speaker 1>one level, it is possible to feel a considerable measure

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<v Speaker 1>of sympathy and sadness for you, But the incontrovertible and

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<v Speaker 1>irrevocable fact is that you have killed, and in doing so,

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<v Speaker 1>have created more than one victim. You appear to have

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<v Speaker 1>been totally self absorbed, concerned only with your own life, situation, feelings,

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<v Speaker 1>and desires end quote. The Sendenney judge express grave concerns

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<v Speaker 1>about Caroline Read Robertson's prospect for rebilitate rehabilitation, stating that

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<v Speaker 1>her remorse seemed to have been driven only out of

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<v Speaker 1>self pity, rather than having any real degree of insight

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<v Speaker 1>into the real significance of what she'd actually done. He

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<v Speaker 1>sentenced Caroline Read Robertson to twenty years jail with a

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<v Speaker 1>mini years with a minimum non parole period of fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>and a half years.

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<v Speaker 2>Fatly nineteen that was.

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<v Speaker 1>In two thousand, Sammy, what year are we in Rachel's

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<v Speaker 1>family campaigned to keep their daughter's murderer behind bars for

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<v Speaker 1>their own safety as well as the safety of the community.

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<v Speaker 1>She had wanted to take on Rachel's identity. They were

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<v Speaker 1>fearing for themselves as well. Fellow inmates of Caroline's said

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<v Speaker 1>that she never expressed any remorse and she continued to

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<v Speaker 1>compulsively lie. She told fellow inmates that she had a

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<v Speaker 1>boyfriend waiting for her on the outside, a boy named Manny.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>But unbelievably, when her fourteen and a half years of

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<v Speaker 1>her minimum non parole period came up, Caroline was granted parole.

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<v Speaker 1>She was released from prison in January twenty fifteen to

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<v Speaker 1>be on act under strict parole conditions until twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>Since then, she has been a completely free woman.

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<v Speaker 2>My God.

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<v Speaker 1>When she was released, Elizabeth Barber, Rachel's mum, said in

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<v Speaker 1>a media interview, she won't be any less on my mind,

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<v Speaker 1>and she won't be any more. I don't think she

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<v Speaker 1>is dangerous to us, but I don't want her to

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<v Speaker 1>be dangerous to anybody. She said that Caroline should be

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<v Speaker 1>thankful that she lives in a nation where she could

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<v Speaker 1>resume her life outside of prison and Elizabeth asked the

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<v Speaker 1>public not to harass her.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so strong for Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't it? As long as the Barbers never heard from her,

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<v Speaker 1>which they stoically do not want. They hope that Caroline

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<v Speaker 1>gives back to the community and finally feel some sense

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<v Speaker 1>of remorse from what she's taken away, not just from

1:27:43.040 --> 1:27:49.960
<v Speaker 1>their family, but from the world. Three years after her

1:27:50.080 --> 1:27:54.040
<v Speaker 1>daughter's murder, Elizabeth Barber co wrote a book about the

1:27:54.160 --> 1:27:59.000
<v Speaker 1>crime with investigative journalist Megan Norris, and it was titled

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<v Speaker 1>Perfect Victim. Years later, an Australian filmmaker adapted the story

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<v Speaker 1>for a film, which ended up being titled In Her Skin.

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<v Speaker 1>The director of that film had full support from the

1:28:14.160 --> 1:28:18.240
<v Speaker 1>Barber family during the movie production. They saw it as

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<v Speaker 1>a way for Rachel to make her mark, and it

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<v Speaker 1>highlighted the inaction of police. After Rachel was first reported missing.

1:28:28.680 --> 1:28:32.920
<v Speaker 1>Michael and Elizabeth Barber met with and have continued to

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<v Speaker 1>meet with senior government officials to propose and push for

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<v Speaker 1>a liaison officer to be attached to the Missing Person's Unit,

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<v Speaker 1>whose function would be to offer support to the distressed

1:28:44.760 --> 1:28:50.760
<v Speaker 1>families of missing people. The Barbers did express their gratitude

1:28:50.840 --> 1:28:54.040
<v Speaker 1>to the detectives of the Missing Persons unit. They found

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<v Speaker 1>them to be considerate and sensitive of what they were

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<v Speaker 1>going through, but they were very critical of the dismissive

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<v Speaker 1>and unkind response of the local police officers, who subsequently

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<v Speaker 1>years later offered the Barbers a formal apology for their

1:29:10.720 --> 1:29:15.840
<v Speaker 1>inaction during the initial stages of Rachel's disappearance. As a

1:29:15.960 --> 1:29:22.000
<v Speaker 1>direct result of Rachel Barber's case, Victoria Police the manual

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<v Speaker 1>for the force now contains a clause focusing on the

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<v Speaker 1>need for police officers involved in missing persons investigations at

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<v Speaker 1>a local level to be sensitive to the needs of

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<v Speaker 1>the families and to keep them informed and updated on

1:29:36.720 --> 1:29:43.120
<v Speaker 1>all aspects of their investigations. Manny remains very close friends

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<v Speaker 1>with the Barber family and it's been to the weddings

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<v Speaker 1>of both Heather and Ashley, Rachel's sisters. It's been twenty

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<v Speaker 1>seven years and Manny still calls Rack to the love

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<v Speaker 1>of his life and still has the purple heart question.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, it's a heartbreaking.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh my Gord, you were so young, fourteen years old. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>I just sided and trusted like her babysitter.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Oh my god. So I've met Mannie and I

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<v Speaker 1>will talk about this more at the top of Thursday episode.

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<v Speaker 1>But when I asked Manny to not to if he

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<v Speaker 1>would tell me his story, his side of the story,

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<v Speaker 1>for my other podcast, he immediately said yes, said, no

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<v Speaker 1>one has ever asked me to tell my story.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh my god, I know, like, oh my god, she

1:31:08.160 --> 1:31:09.400
<v Speaker 5>just wanted to buy those shoes.

1:31:10.400 --> 1:31:14.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, little darling, that's so sad, fucking owl.

1:31:15.439 --> 1:31:19.320
<v Speaker 5>And the poor the sisters of her and them you

1:31:19.400 --> 1:31:23.400
<v Speaker 5>don't have her, poor parents. And also like Caroline's parents, like,

1:31:23.479 --> 1:31:25.600
<v Speaker 5>I can't imagine what they would feel at being like

1:31:25.840 --> 1:31:26.600
<v Speaker 5>our daughter did this.

1:31:27.000 --> 1:31:30.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, And that's often something we don't we don't

1:31:30.080 --> 1:31:33.040
<v Speaker 1>think and really talk about. But that's such a huge

1:31:33.080 --> 1:31:36.639
<v Speaker 1>thing as well. Imagine what you know for that family too,

1:31:36.920 --> 1:31:41.000
<v Speaker 1>yeah yeah, And things that would have gone through you know,

1:31:41.200 --> 1:31:46.320
<v Speaker 1>the the Robertson's family's minds and the Barber's family minds.

1:31:46.320 --> 1:31:48.439
<v Speaker 1>Don't if they just never bought that house. Imagine if

1:31:48.439 --> 1:31:50.960
<v Speaker 1>they didn't live there, if she never came into her past.

1:31:51.040 --> 1:31:53.800
<v Speaker 2>The butterfly effect of just little things, one thing.

1:31:53.800 --> 1:31:56.400
<v Speaker 1>Affects the other, Like Manny's whole thing is that when

1:31:56.439 --> 1:32:10.599
<v Speaker 1>he sees a butterfly, I love we'll come back later

1:32:19.600 --> 1:32:21.680
<v Speaker 1>right now. When we said we might need to take

1:32:21.680 --> 1:32:24.400
<v Speaker 1>a little break, correct, that little break ended up being

1:32:24.760 --> 1:32:26.439
<v Speaker 1>overnight because it's okay.

1:32:28.200 --> 1:32:31.519
<v Speaker 2>Also, podcast people don't know how long a break is.

1:32:31.720 --> 1:32:33.800
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it was a year, it might have.

1:32:33.840 --> 1:32:36.439
<v Speaker 1>Been a year. But the reason I have outed us

1:32:36.479 --> 1:32:40.080
<v Speaker 1>on that is because we have received some news from

1:32:40.080 --> 1:32:43.640
<v Speaker 1>a friend of ours in said break. And if the

1:32:43.760 --> 1:32:46.280
<v Speaker 1>listener thought we just went to you know, have a

1:32:47.560 --> 1:32:52.200
<v Speaker 1>cry of a beautiful Rachel and then came straight back,

1:32:52.439 --> 1:32:54.360
<v Speaker 1>they might be like, how did you just find out

1:32:54.400 --> 1:32:54.720
<v Speaker 1>all of that?

1:32:55.040 --> 1:32:57.479
<v Speaker 2>I know, I know, well we were. I mean, in

1:32:57.760 --> 1:33:02.320
<v Speaker 2>all honesty, I did cry a lot after we recorded

1:33:02.400 --> 1:33:05.960
<v Speaker 2>that episode, and then last night when we recorded, I

1:33:06.000 --> 1:33:08.280
<v Speaker 2>didn't really do anything. I was very sad. I don't know,

1:33:08.439 --> 1:33:11.519
<v Speaker 2>like that that really affected me. And I kind of

1:33:11.600 --> 1:33:14.599
<v Speaker 2>feel like in a way, it is kind of because

1:33:14.880 --> 1:33:18.880
<v Speaker 2>above you when we're recording, there is a beautiful which

1:33:18.920 --> 1:33:21.639
<v Speaker 2>I have in my home, which is a child's portrait

1:33:21.680 --> 1:33:24.600
<v Speaker 2>of you, which is which is just a thing that

1:33:24.880 --> 1:33:27.320
<v Speaker 2>you gave me once as a joke.

1:33:27.640 --> 1:33:31.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, uncle moved house and came around to my house

1:33:31.640 --> 1:33:34.600
<v Speaker 1>with a framed photo of me from when I was

1:33:34.640 --> 1:33:37.639
<v Speaker 1>like three or four. Years old and said, I've had

1:33:37.680 --> 1:33:39.920
<v Speaker 1>this in my house for many years and I kind

1:33:39.920 --> 1:33:41.840
<v Speaker 1>of don't really need it anymore, and go back to me,

1:33:41.960 --> 1:33:43.519
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, well, I don't need it, and I was

1:33:43.600 --> 1:33:46.760
<v Speaker 1>coming around to your house to record a podcast, and

1:33:47.000 --> 1:33:49.400
<v Speaker 1>so I brought it with me just to kind of

1:33:49.439 --> 1:33:53.800
<v Speaker 1>make you feel uncomfortable by very seriously saying I thought

1:33:53.840 --> 1:33:56.360
<v Speaker 1>you might want this photo of me when I was three,

1:33:56.560 --> 1:33:59.880
<v Speaker 1>to hang up forgetting that you are as sarcastic, if

1:34:00.080 --> 1:34:01.080
<v Speaker 1>not more so than I am.

1:34:01.680 --> 1:34:04.759
<v Speaker 2>So chastick and just you pronounced that word.

1:34:07.080 --> 1:34:08.880
<v Speaker 1>And you hung it on your wall and have moved

1:34:08.920 --> 1:34:10.519
<v Speaker 1>it to your new house and I've hung it.

1:34:10.520 --> 1:34:11.320
<v Speaker 2>Back on you here.

1:34:11.479 --> 1:34:11.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1:34:12.080 --> 1:34:12.280
<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

1:34:12.560 --> 1:34:14.360
<v Speaker 2>And so I think when we're recording that episode about

1:34:14.400 --> 1:34:16.519
<v Speaker 2>Rachel Barber, I looked over there and I kind of

1:34:16.520 --> 1:34:18.360
<v Speaker 2>saw the really young photo of you and was like,

1:34:18.960 --> 1:34:22.120
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, this is a girl similar age, Like

1:34:22.439 --> 1:34:24.880
<v Speaker 2>it was just like such a you know, it broke me.

1:34:25.080 --> 1:34:27.080
<v Speaker 2>It broke me, like I was just like I think.

1:34:26.960 --> 1:34:30.320
<v Speaker 1>France as well, being in Melbourne and up here as well,

1:34:30.560 --> 1:34:33.479
<v Speaker 1>you know, the streets and suburbs and we're talking about

1:34:33.520 --> 1:34:36.720
<v Speaker 1>it does make it really hit closer to home and

1:34:36.800 --> 1:34:40.680
<v Speaker 1>feel very real as well. So yeah, it's just I mean,

1:34:40.720 --> 1:34:43.600
<v Speaker 1>we cover so many devastating stories on this but not

1:34:43.880 --> 1:34:48.240
<v Speaker 1>no butt, this is a really really just truly devastating,

1:34:48.400 --> 1:34:49.720
<v Speaker 1>completely senseless.

1:34:50.400 --> 1:34:50.599
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

1:34:50.760 --> 1:34:53.640
<v Speaker 2>And I think the description of her like saving up

1:34:53.880 --> 1:34:58.160
<v Speaker 2>for shoes and just being so excited about that and

1:34:58.800 --> 1:35:01.120
<v Speaker 2>try I think, yeah, that that is the thing. It's trusting,

1:35:01.720 --> 1:35:04.080
<v Speaker 2>trusting the person that you think is going to help

1:35:04.200 --> 1:35:07.360
<v Speaker 2>you to save up that money, and at that stage

1:35:07.439 --> 1:35:11.519
<v Speaker 2>of your life, one hundred dollars is so much money,

1:35:11.920 --> 1:35:13.680
<v Speaker 2>so for you to be able to save up that

1:35:13.800 --> 1:35:16.120
<v Speaker 2>money and put them aside, and so I'm going to

1:35:16.160 --> 1:35:18.400
<v Speaker 2>come back for those tomorrow. It is just such a

1:35:18.560 --> 1:35:21.120
<v Speaker 2>devastating thing and it just broke me yesterday. I'd like

1:35:21.200 --> 1:35:21.560
<v Speaker 2>to hear that.

1:35:21.800 --> 1:35:21.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1:35:22.120 --> 1:35:25.439
<v Speaker 1>One bit that really really gets me in that story

1:35:25.720 --> 1:35:30.960
<v Speaker 1>is the neighbor, Caroline's neighbor saying that he heard sobbing

1:35:31.120 --> 1:35:34.160
<v Speaker 1>through the wall two am. That just that breaks me

1:35:34.320 --> 1:35:37.160
<v Speaker 1>because I just I don't want to when there isn't

1:35:37.160 --> 1:35:39.559
<v Speaker 1>a need to really think about what Rachel went through,

1:35:39.640 --> 1:35:44.040
<v Speaker 1>but just knowing that detail that you know it might

1:35:44.080 --> 1:35:48.200
<v Speaker 1>have been Caroline. So that's just so it's just it's

1:35:48.320 --> 1:35:49.000
<v Speaker 1>just heartbreaking.

1:35:49.240 --> 1:35:52.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it really is. And I looked up the trailer

1:35:52.800 --> 1:35:56.240
<v Speaker 2>of the film as well, and I'm with Miranda Otto

1:35:56.920 --> 1:35:59.519
<v Speaker 2>and yeah, I am interested to watch that. Sam Nils

1:35:59.560 --> 1:36:01.960
<v Speaker 2>in it as pas, I am interested to watch that

1:36:02.040 --> 1:36:04.880
<v Speaker 2>as well, So we'll really have to. And also, Lewis,

1:36:05.400 --> 1:36:07.400
<v Speaker 2>I was speaking directly to you right now for your

1:36:07.479 --> 1:36:11.960
<v Speaker 2>lovely spreadsheet. Beautiful person Lewis who we met recently, which

1:36:12.000 --> 1:36:14.760
<v Speaker 2>we'll go into later, I mean on another episode. I'm

1:36:14.800 --> 1:36:18.240
<v Speaker 2>not later that much, I know, but but beautiful Lewis

1:36:18.520 --> 1:36:22.880
<v Speaker 2>who made that spreadsheet for his partner Sarah, who said,

1:36:22.920 --> 1:36:24.479
<v Speaker 2>oh god, I wish there was just kind of a

1:36:25.080 --> 1:36:27.439
<v Speaker 2>an avenue for me to go to look at all

1:36:27.520 --> 1:36:29.840
<v Speaker 2>these different things that they talk about in the podcast

1:36:30.160 --> 1:36:33.160
<v Speaker 2>that is now available on the Instagram. There's a spreadsheet

1:36:33.160 --> 1:36:35.160
<v Speaker 2>of this. I'm just saying to you, Lewis, there is

1:36:35.200 --> 1:36:38.479
<v Speaker 2>a wonderful film. I don't know it's wonderful, but in

1:36:38.720 --> 1:36:41.640
<v Speaker 2>her skin, and I imagine it's such a dark and

1:36:42.040 --> 1:36:45.439
<v Speaker 2>hard film to watch. From the trailer, I got that

1:36:45.640 --> 1:36:48.800
<v Speaker 2>it is a very hard film to watch, but I

1:36:49.320 --> 1:36:51.120
<v Speaker 2>do need to watch it just to kind of and

1:36:51.240 --> 1:36:53.840
<v Speaker 2>I was not in the right mind frame to watch

1:36:53.920 --> 1:36:57.600
<v Speaker 2>that last night. Also, can I just say, and this

1:36:57.840 --> 1:37:00.000
<v Speaker 2>is you know this, I probably don't need to say

1:37:00.000 --> 1:37:03.120
<v Speaker 2>speak about this on the podcast, let me just say it, right. So,

1:37:03.280 --> 1:37:07.400
<v Speaker 2>I was in a bit of an emotional turmoil. I

1:37:07.600 --> 1:37:13.160
<v Speaker 2>was in emotional turmoil yesterday because my brother, who Michael,

1:37:13.760 --> 1:37:18.479
<v Speaker 2>who I spoke about so in my comedy special, I

1:37:19.479 --> 1:37:23.080
<v Speaker 2>spoke about Thank you so Much on the comedy of

1:37:23.080 --> 1:37:28.280
<v Speaker 2>public YouTube channel. I spoke about him quite openly in

1:37:28.560 --> 1:37:32.000
<v Speaker 2>my comedy special, and yesterday he actually messaged me so

1:37:32.360 --> 1:37:35.280
<v Speaker 2>so I reckon when it first came out, he messaged

1:37:35.320 --> 1:37:39.080
<v Speaker 2>me and he said, I just watched it and my

1:37:39.240 --> 1:37:41.040
<v Speaker 2>heart froze because I was going to talk about him

1:37:41.040 --> 1:37:43.479
<v Speaker 2>a little bit in it. And and and I guess

1:37:43.680 --> 1:37:48.720
<v Speaker 2>for people who don't know, my brother was and is

1:37:49.000 --> 1:37:53.519
<v Speaker 2>an addict, he was quite violent and quite kind of

1:37:54.880 --> 1:37:58.439
<v Speaker 2>I guess, you know, my my life at home when

1:37:58.479 --> 1:38:01.000
<v Speaker 2>I was growing up was quite tumultius. There was a

1:38:01.080 --> 1:38:03.519
<v Speaker 2>lot going on in my home. He was a violent person.

1:38:03.760 --> 1:38:07.240
<v Speaker 2>There was a lot of I mean, you know, we

1:38:07.479 --> 1:38:10.400
<v Speaker 2>had quite a few restraining orders on my brother and

1:38:10.439 --> 1:38:12.040
<v Speaker 2>I remember at one point there was a four hundred

1:38:12.040 --> 1:38:16.120
<v Speaker 2>meter restraining order and he measured the length of four

1:38:16.200 --> 1:38:17.960
<v Speaker 2>hundred meters and he sat at the end of the

1:38:18.000 --> 1:38:20.280
<v Speaker 2>four hundred meter like down the road four hundred meters like,

1:38:20.360 --> 1:38:24.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, quite a violent, quite an awful, quite an

1:38:24.200 --> 1:38:26.639
<v Speaker 2>awful experience to have growing up right, lots of restraining

1:38:26.720 --> 1:38:30.120
<v Speaker 2>orders on him. And he messaged me when the when

1:38:30.160 --> 1:38:32.120
<v Speaker 2>it first came out my special, and he said, oh

1:38:32.200 --> 1:38:37.519
<v Speaker 2>my god, you know this is beautiful. I think you

1:38:37.600 --> 1:38:42.759
<v Speaker 2>did this so well. I think you know, you summed

1:38:42.840 --> 1:38:46.559
<v Speaker 2>me up perfectly. And then yesterday when we recorded this episode,

1:38:46.640 --> 1:38:48.400
<v Speaker 2>I've got a message. A few weeks later, I've got

1:38:48.439 --> 1:38:51.439
<v Speaker 2>a message and say, hey, you dog, I think you

1:38:51.479 --> 1:38:53.080
<v Speaker 2>know what you've done to mom and dad and me

1:38:53.240 --> 1:38:57.640
<v Speaker 2>and how you've represented us in the special is disgusting

1:38:57.800 --> 1:39:00.800
<v Speaker 2>and over exaggerating and everything. And I was like, you know,

1:39:00.880 --> 1:39:03.599
<v Speaker 2>it was quite a hard message to get during the day.

1:39:03.760 --> 1:39:08.160
<v Speaker 2>And then also then we recorded this episode about Rachel Barber,

1:39:08.240 --> 1:39:09.800
<v Speaker 2>and I was just, you know, like, and I think

1:39:09.840 --> 1:39:14.680
<v Speaker 2>that's you know, to tune in. Fine, I guess kind

1:39:14.680 --> 1:39:17.759
<v Speaker 2>of tune in and hone into why I was feeling

1:39:17.840 --> 1:39:19.879
<v Speaker 2>like that when recorded this episode yesterday.

1:39:20.040 --> 1:39:23.080
<v Speaker 1>You don't need to justify, no, I know, but I felt.

1:39:23.000 --> 1:39:26.640
<v Speaker 2>So vulnerable And then you were recorded that episode, and

1:39:26.720 --> 1:39:29.960
<v Speaker 2>I know Rachel really spoke to me and Manny, and

1:39:30.040 --> 1:39:34.920
<v Speaker 2>I think I thought so much about childhood and when

1:39:35.000 --> 1:39:36.559
<v Speaker 2>you're growing up and so it was such and then

1:39:36.600 --> 1:39:38.400
<v Speaker 2>looking at the photo of you and everything, it's such

1:39:38.520 --> 1:39:42.000
<v Speaker 2>like a Yeah, I don't know, there's something about this

1:39:42.160 --> 1:39:46.200
<v Speaker 2>story that will always be with me. Yeah, And and Manny,

1:39:46.800 --> 1:39:50.599
<v Speaker 2>I just can't even like. And I think this Thursday,

1:39:50.640 --> 1:39:53.400
<v Speaker 2>there'll be an episode with Many where you talk to Many,

1:39:53.720 --> 1:39:57.439
<v Speaker 2>And I've listened to the episode before, but it is

1:39:57.640 --> 1:40:02.120
<v Speaker 2>such a heartbreaking you full telling of his story, which

1:40:02.160 --> 1:40:04.680
<v Speaker 2>I think is so important, and it is just like

1:40:04.760 --> 1:40:09.080
<v Speaker 2>another layer to this story that I think maybe you

1:40:09.280 --> 1:40:12.200
<v Speaker 2>won't see coming. But I just think it is so

1:40:13.240 --> 1:40:15.120
<v Speaker 2>fascinating to hear his side of the story.

1:40:15.400 --> 1:40:18.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's not a so you guys, I mean, if

1:40:18.600 --> 1:40:21.800
<v Speaker 1>you hear, I assume you've listened to the episode, so

1:40:21.920 --> 1:40:25.800
<v Speaker 1>that the story itself about Rachel's death, it's not a

1:40:25.880 --> 1:40:30.840
<v Speaker 1>retelling of that. It is Manny's story about his life

1:40:30.880 --> 1:40:36.280
<v Speaker 1>and his love with Rachel, yes, and then the effects

1:40:36.320 --> 1:40:38.840
<v Speaker 1>on him of first of all her disappearance and then

1:40:38.920 --> 1:40:42.000
<v Speaker 1>her death. So you know, it's listen to this story.

1:40:42.080 --> 1:40:43.519
<v Speaker 1>You don't have to go, oh, well, I already know it,

1:40:43.600 --> 1:40:47.040
<v Speaker 1>so I won't listen to Thursdays. It's a really different perspective,

1:40:47.160 --> 1:40:49.560
<v Speaker 1>and it's a beautiful love story and a fucking heartbreaking

1:40:49.640 --> 1:40:52.720
<v Speaker 1>love story. And it's interesting that for me, Sammy, to

1:40:52.800 --> 1:40:56.439
<v Speaker 1>hear you say about how much that story really affected you,

1:40:56.560 --> 1:40:59.600
<v Speaker 1>because when I interviewed Maney for everyone has an X.

1:41:00.439 --> 1:41:06.639
<v Speaker 1>I mean I've been interviewing people and told devastating, heartbreaking

1:41:06.760 --> 1:41:10.120
<v Speaker 1>stories and heard from people about their own for fifteen years.

1:41:11.040 --> 1:41:14.280
<v Speaker 1>Without a doubt, Manny's story in interviewing him for that

1:41:14.439 --> 1:41:18.080
<v Speaker 1>is the one that has broken me the most. I

1:41:18.680 --> 1:41:21.960
<v Speaker 1>sleep for days after that interview because I was just

1:41:22.160 --> 1:41:26.639
<v Speaker 1>so devastated for him. And I've gone on to keep

1:41:26.880 --> 1:41:29.320
<v Speaker 1>a friendship with Money and he's just a beautiful person.

1:41:29.400 --> 1:41:32.200
<v Speaker 1>And there is just something about this story and the

1:41:32.360 --> 1:41:37.120
<v Speaker 1>love of and for Rachel and Money just really shines

1:41:37.160 --> 1:41:42.320
<v Speaker 1>through in their historian. Yeah, it's heartbreaking but really beautiful

1:41:42.439 --> 1:41:44.800
<v Speaker 1>to be able to hear from Manny about his love

1:41:45.240 --> 1:41:45.839
<v Speaker 1>for Rachel.

1:41:46.360 --> 1:41:46.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1:41:46.840 --> 1:41:49.040
<v Speaker 1>So I hope we haven't turned you off Thursday's episode.

1:41:49.160 --> 1:41:51.400
<v Speaker 2>No, absolutely not. No, I think it's a great episode

1:41:51.439 --> 1:41:53.519
<v Speaker 2>to listen to. And also, you know, a really well

1:41:53.560 --> 1:41:55.720
<v Speaker 2>done episode of your other podcast. Everyone has an ex

1:41:56.200 --> 1:41:59.360
<v Speaker 2>development all the goddamn podcast and also listeners.

1:41:59.360 --> 1:42:02.200
<v Speaker 1>If you've got a story that's like like this, one

1:42:02.360 --> 1:42:06.360
<v Speaker 1>is to us, what's your story like that? Your kind

1:42:06.360 --> 1:42:08.280
<v Speaker 1>of crime story like that? That's one that just really

1:42:08.400 --> 1:42:09.960
<v Speaker 1>really sits with you and sticks with you.

1:42:10.120 --> 1:42:10.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1:42:11.400 --> 1:42:14.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I want to hear about them from you guys,

1:42:14.240 --> 1:42:15.680
<v Speaker 1>and if you want us to cover them or not

1:42:15.840 --> 1:42:17.560
<v Speaker 1>because they're too heartbreaker.

1:42:17.800 --> 1:42:20.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, Well you can write in at Sammy at

1:42:20.520 --> 1:42:22.799
<v Speaker 2>justinothercompany dot com dot au.

1:42:23.280 --> 1:42:26.040
<v Speaker 1>You can leave us a voice note. The website is

1:42:26.080 --> 1:42:28.120
<v Speaker 1>called speak Pipe and the link is in our show

1:42:28.240 --> 1:42:30.360
<v Speaker 1>notes and in our Instagram bio.

1:42:30.880 --> 1:42:34.360
<v Speaker 2>Yes absolutely, and I would like to say as well.

1:42:34.520 --> 1:42:37.000
<v Speaker 2>So we started talking about in this little section is

1:42:37.040 --> 1:42:40.200
<v Speaker 2>that we started talking about we had a break basically

1:42:40.400 --> 1:42:44.360
<v Speaker 2>in the record, and I talked about my friend Davin,

1:42:44.479 --> 1:42:48.439
<v Speaker 2>who was a childhood friend of mine still is I guess,

1:42:48.560 --> 1:42:50.880
<v Speaker 2>And he was a childhood friend of mine that I

1:42:51.040 --> 1:42:54.240
<v Speaker 2>love very much, and he sent me a message. So

1:42:54.320 --> 1:42:57.640
<v Speaker 2>today in Melbourne it's a public holiday and I had

1:42:57.680 --> 1:42:59.720
<v Speaker 2>a day of just editing and I was listening to that.

1:43:00.000 --> 1:43:02.920
<v Speaker 2>So that we did and just you know, editing that together,

1:43:03.240 --> 1:43:05.519
<v Speaker 2>and then Davin sent me a message and said, hey,

1:43:05.800 --> 1:43:11.439
<v Speaker 2>I've just actually proposed to Emma, my partner and another Emma,

1:43:11.479 --> 1:43:13.679
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, Benny, Emma's oh my god, so many Emmas,

1:43:14.120 --> 1:43:15.760
<v Speaker 2>and would you like to come and have a quick drink.

1:43:16.200 --> 1:43:22.360
<v Speaker 2>And so Emma is just wonderful and she is. When

1:43:22.400 --> 1:43:24.439
<v Speaker 2>I met her for the first time, I was like, oh,

1:43:24.479 --> 1:43:26.760
<v Speaker 2>I get it, I get why, Jose and this person

1:43:26.920 --> 1:43:29.400
<v Speaker 2>is your love and she is just the most wonderful

1:43:29.439 --> 1:43:31.920
<v Speaker 2>person ever. And so I went and had a drink

1:43:31.960 --> 1:43:33.240
<v Speaker 2>with them, and then you came and met Usine I

1:43:33.880 --> 1:43:34.439
<v Speaker 2>so lovely.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So I just thought the fact that Davin came up

1:43:37.800 --> 1:43:40.160
<v Speaker 1>when we were recording this episode yesterday and then he's

1:43:40.280 --> 1:43:42.800
<v Speaker 1>since got engaged, we thought we'd better give them.

1:43:42.720 --> 1:43:47.400
<v Speaker 2>A shout out, Adam shout. But also, well, I want

1:43:47.439 --> 1:43:50.240
<v Speaker 2>to say, G Love, are you ready for the male

1:43:50.439 --> 1:43:54.880
<v Speaker 2>bag section today? Because we always love it when people

1:43:55.000 --> 1:43:58.200
<v Speaker 2>write in. And also I would like to say that

1:43:58.439 --> 1:44:01.720
<v Speaker 2>G Love is incredible busy. Right now it is the

1:44:02.439 --> 1:44:05.160
<v Speaker 2>peak time of your other podcast. Everyone has an X,

1:44:05.720 --> 1:44:09.479
<v Speaker 2>so not right away, but g is going to take

1:44:09.520 --> 1:44:12.559
<v Speaker 2>a couple of weeks off to focus on everyone has

1:44:12.600 --> 1:44:15.120
<v Speaker 2>an X and we're going to have the great third

1:44:15.200 --> 1:44:19.560
<v Speaker 2>host of the podcast, Scott Williams fill in for Gyg

1:44:19.880 --> 1:44:23.000
<v Speaker 2>is away for a couple of weeks. So during that time,

1:44:23.120 --> 1:44:25.200
<v Speaker 2>if you want to write in a letter for Scott

1:44:25.280 --> 1:44:27.720
<v Speaker 2>and I, yes, bloody.

1:44:27.560 --> 1:44:31.800
<v Speaker 1>Do an email or speak pipe to Scott and or

1:44:31.840 --> 1:44:34.720
<v Speaker 1>Scott and Sammy for yeah, a couple of weeks when

1:44:35.080 --> 1:44:36.640
<v Speaker 1>Scott will be filling in for me.

1:44:37.080 --> 1:44:37.719
<v Speaker 2>That's fright.

1:44:37.920 --> 1:44:40.519
<v Speaker 1>You think he'll wear like a Taylor Swift T shirt

1:44:40.600 --> 1:44:41.080
<v Speaker 1>or something.

1:44:41.120 --> 1:44:45.280
<v Speaker 2>Probably properly feeling from probably yeah, absolutely, We've.

1:44:45.080 --> 1:44:47.840
<v Speaker 1>Already got him singing show tunes, like breaking into songs,

1:44:47.920 --> 1:44:50.200
<v Speaker 1>so I think that's a He's a very good, feeling

1:44:50.360 --> 1:44:50.840
<v Speaker 1>good replace.

1:44:51.080 --> 1:44:53.639
<v Speaker 2>He's the best. That is why he's the third host

1:44:53.760 --> 1:44:57.120
<v Speaker 2>of the podcast. You already first letter comes from Karen.

1:44:57.320 --> 1:45:00.120
<v Speaker 2>I've been listening to the podcast since the beginning. I'm

1:45:00.120 --> 1:45:02.120
<v Speaker 2>a huge fan of Do go On, where I heard

1:45:02.200 --> 1:45:05.640
<v Speaker 2>Sami as a guest. I found Confessions and am I

1:45:05.720 --> 1:45:08.080
<v Speaker 2>the I don't know why I've said it like that,

1:45:08.479 --> 1:45:11.920
<v Speaker 2>am ivy asshole? Both hilarious. I heard Georgia on a

1:45:11.960 --> 1:45:15.120
<v Speaker 2>few episodes. Then I was onto Two Drunk Candies and

1:45:15.280 --> 1:45:19.000
<v Speaker 2>this show, which is awesome. I want to gently push

1:45:19.120 --> 1:45:23.759
<v Speaker 2>back on something G said several episodes ago. It involved

1:45:23.760 --> 1:45:27.120
<v Speaker 2>a crime over here where the perpetrator was convicted on

1:45:27.240 --> 1:45:33.280
<v Speaker 2>the typical offense but also prior bad acts evidence. Georgia

1:45:33.400 --> 1:45:37.800
<v Speaker 2>express express concern about the US legal system as Australia's

1:45:37.800 --> 1:45:40.720
<v Speaker 2>strictly forbids this type of evidence, right.

1:45:40.840 --> 1:45:45.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So in Australia, when something is before the charges

1:45:45.320 --> 1:45:48.519
<v Speaker 1>before the courts, yeah, you're not allowed to speak about

1:45:48.520 --> 1:45:52.639
<v Speaker 1>any prior convictions, right, so you can't influence the jury,

1:45:52.680 --> 1:45:54.040
<v Speaker 1>can't be influenced.

1:45:53.640 --> 1:45:55.120
<v Speaker 2>By past behavior.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah.

1:45:56.560 --> 1:46:00.560
<v Speaker 2>This evidence is generally admissible in the U. S. To

1:46:00.640 --> 1:46:05.120
<v Speaker 2>admit this evidence requires that it meets certain criteria and

1:46:05.240 --> 1:46:08.120
<v Speaker 2>may only be used for certain purposes. There is a

1:46:08.280 --> 1:46:11.120
<v Speaker 2>hearing in front of a judge where the prosecutor and

1:46:11.200 --> 1:46:15.919
<v Speaker 2>defense attorney each argue their case. The judge renders a decision.

1:46:16.120 --> 1:46:22.280
<v Speaker 2>States may have different rules. Australia has a roughly similar process.

1:46:22.840 --> 1:46:26.560
<v Speaker 2>My pet peeve today is people who completely block the

1:46:26.680 --> 1:46:31.479
<v Speaker 2>store aisle with their overstuffed, overstuffed cart and appear to

1:46:31.640 --> 1:46:34.400
<v Speaker 2>not see the long line of people just trying to

1:46:34.479 --> 1:46:38.559
<v Speaker 2>get to the other side. Keep up the great podcast things.

1:46:38.560 --> 1:46:41.160
<v Speaker 1>Karen, thanks for that explanation as well. I do agree

1:46:41.240 --> 1:46:44.360
<v Speaker 1>with that that if it is a relative prior conviction

1:46:44.640 --> 1:46:45.880
<v Speaker 1>it should be admissible.

1:46:46.320 --> 1:46:46.519
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I in many cases disagree with the Australian law

1:46:52.320 --> 1:46:54.560
<v Speaker 1>that it can't be brought up at all if it

1:46:55.080 --> 1:46:58.800
<v Speaker 1>is it could be related. But yeah, that makes sense

1:46:58.840 --> 1:47:02.000
<v Speaker 1>that in America or in your state that it can

1:47:02.080 --> 1:47:02.559
<v Speaker 1>be argued.

1:47:02.760 --> 1:47:04.839
<v Speaker 2>I find it really interesting as well, like in America,

1:47:05.120 --> 1:47:09.880
<v Speaker 2>that state to state it could differ in Australia, is

1:47:09.920 --> 1:47:11.400
<v Speaker 2>that kind of similar to all?

1:47:11.520 --> 1:47:16.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so like the courts, I mean, yeah, not not

1:47:16.600 --> 1:47:20.880
<v Speaker 1>to the extent of America, but there are slightly differing laws,

1:47:21.160 --> 1:47:24.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, from policing to the courts and convictions and

1:47:24.120 --> 1:47:27.880
<v Speaker 1>everything from the state to state. But I think, and

1:47:27.960 --> 1:47:30.560
<v Speaker 1>this is very much a generalization, but not as drastically

1:47:30.680 --> 1:47:34.160
<v Speaker 1>different as the US just based on population and size.

1:47:34.600 --> 1:47:37.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah sure, sure, No, I find that really interesting that

1:47:37.479 --> 1:47:39.880
<v Speaker 2>it can actually differ that much from state to state.

1:47:40.040 --> 1:47:41.360
<v Speaker 1>One I can think of off the top of my

1:47:41.439 --> 1:47:46.120
<v Speaker 1>head is in Tasmania, the any bail applications cannot be

1:47:46.240 --> 1:47:50.320
<v Speaker 1>reported on in the media at all. In Victoria, so

1:47:50.840 --> 1:47:54.160
<v Speaker 1>applications there are always or more often they're not some

1:47:54.400 --> 1:47:57.120
<v Speaker 1>details of the alleged crime come out in those BAOL

1:47:57.120 --> 1:48:00.280
<v Speaker 1>applications because you know the prosecutor will be so, well,

1:48:00.320 --> 1:48:02.000
<v Speaker 1>this is what we alleged to have happened. So that's

1:48:02.000 --> 1:48:04.160
<v Speaker 1>why we don't want this person to get bail. And

1:48:04.280 --> 1:48:06.560
<v Speaker 1>that can't be reported on in Tasmania.

1:48:08.320 --> 1:48:12.760
<v Speaker 2>That's really interesting. Yeah, so he don't worry about it.

1:48:13.640 --> 1:48:15.160
<v Speaker 2>This comes from Phoebe.

1:48:17.200 --> 1:48:23.559
<v Speaker 3>Hello, Sammy and Georgia. It's Phoebe, long time listener, first

1:48:23.600 --> 1:48:24.599
<v Speaker 3>time speak Piper.

1:48:24.760 --> 1:48:25.400
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Phoebe.

1:48:25.960 --> 1:48:28.920
<v Speaker 3>I previously sent an email into you guys with a

1:48:29.080 --> 1:48:31.920
<v Speaker 3>recommendation for a case that just so happened that the

1:48:32.040 --> 1:48:33.800
<v Speaker 3>case suspect got arrested the next week.

1:48:33.960 --> 1:48:37.519
<v Speaker 2>So not to say I brought that into exist, you did.

1:48:37.520 --> 1:48:39.560
<v Speaker 1>Phoebe very much may have manifestation.

1:48:40.439 --> 1:48:46.160
<v Speaker 3>I just wanted to for you know how funny I

1:48:46.400 --> 1:48:50.360
<v Speaker 3>found the ending to the most recent Kim Wall episode.

1:48:50.520 --> 1:48:58.400
<v Speaker 3>Not the crime, but when Sammy started talking about the Simpsons.

1:48:58.960 --> 1:49:01.559
<v Speaker 2>I have never been more confused in my life.

1:49:03.439 --> 1:49:05.920
<v Speaker 3>I was just listening to I thought, oh, have I

1:49:06.000 --> 1:49:06.960
<v Speaker 3>started the next episode?

1:49:07.000 --> 1:49:09.960
<v Speaker 2>That's a new episode, because I'm my interest.

1:49:10.600 --> 1:49:12.760
<v Speaker 3>But then I looked through the comments, I was like, oh,

1:49:12.840 --> 1:49:15.160
<v Speaker 3>maybe it's a glitch like it's next week's episode. Maybe

1:49:15.160 --> 1:49:17.599
<v Speaker 3>it's an editing problem that I went, oh no, oh,

1:49:17.680 --> 1:49:18.120
<v Speaker 3>I've got it.

1:49:18.680 --> 1:49:19.600
<v Speaker 5>It's the Simpsons.

1:49:21.360 --> 1:49:23.679
<v Speaker 3>So I just speak to let you know how funny

1:49:23.760 --> 1:49:28.120
<v Speaker 3>I found it, and yeah, love the podcast, keep up

1:49:28.160 --> 1:49:30.800
<v Speaker 3>the good work, and I have a laugh like that

1:49:30.920 --> 1:49:33.320
<v Speaker 3>in a long time. So thank you Sammy.

1:49:33.960 --> 1:49:36.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, baby, that's fair.

1:49:36.520 --> 1:49:39.560
<v Speaker 2>I love that so much. That honestly, because there was

1:49:39.600 --> 1:49:42.920
<v Speaker 2>a tiny little, you know, our little I guess sting

1:49:43.120 --> 1:49:45.439
<v Speaker 2>that goes after that, and then I was launching in

1:49:45.600 --> 1:49:48.920
<v Speaker 2>to a pretend new episode. But it does actually sound

1:49:49.040 --> 1:49:51.200
<v Speaker 2>for the most part, like I've done that with Feathers

1:49:51.280 --> 1:49:54.240
<v Speaker 2>McGraw from Models and grammat and who shot mister Burns.

1:49:54.240 --> 1:49:55.839
<v Speaker 2>So it is such a funny thing.

1:49:58.080 --> 1:49:59.040
<v Speaker 1>I have.

1:49:59.200 --> 1:50:02.519
<v Speaker 2>I skipped ahead and listen to the next episode. We

1:50:02.760 --> 1:50:06.960
<v Speaker 2>have a part one and part two that comes from

1:50:07.000 --> 1:50:10.360
<v Speaker 2>a listener called Chasmin. You're ready for this? Yes, yes,

1:50:10.400 --> 1:50:10.920
<v Speaker 2>from eleven.

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<v Speaker 7>Hey guys, it's just here.

1:50:13.000 --> 1:50:15.800
<v Speaker 6>I just wanted to jump on and say something really

1:50:15.840 --> 1:50:16.400
<v Speaker 6>really quickly.

1:50:17.000 --> 1:50:20.120
<v Speaker 7>I've been listening to you guys forever, almost from the start,

1:50:21.080 --> 1:50:21.519
<v Speaker 7>but I did.

1:50:21.560 --> 1:50:22.920
<v Speaker 1>Catch up on all of the episodes.

1:50:23.000 --> 1:50:24.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm completely up to date now.

1:50:26.360 --> 1:50:27.120
<v Speaker 7>And happened for a while.

1:50:27.160 --> 1:50:30.080
<v Speaker 1>I listened every single Monday and Tuesday. Sorry, Monday and.

1:50:30.040 --> 1:50:33.720
<v Speaker 2>Wednesday whatever, I've just finished. Thursday, I'm a paramedic and

1:50:33.760 --> 1:50:34.320
<v Speaker 2>I've just finished.

1:50:34.360 --> 1:50:37.960
<v Speaker 7>Well, I know it's every Monday and Thursday.

1:50:38.040 --> 1:50:39.280
<v Speaker 2>I am a true fan. Okay.

1:50:40.360 --> 1:50:44.240
<v Speaker 7>Anyway, the point of this message a quick little side note,

1:50:44.320 --> 1:50:46.880
<v Speaker 7>just a little shout out to Chloe, who's my best

1:50:46.920 --> 1:50:51.719
<v Speaker 7>friend who recommended this podcast in like five months, because

1:50:51.760 --> 1:50:53.200
<v Speaker 7>she's not a true fan and is.

1:50:53.200 --> 1:50:56.760
<v Speaker 2>It not to day so than you.

1:50:58.400 --> 1:51:01.240
<v Speaker 7>Agreat so, So I just wanted to jump on and

1:51:01.360 --> 1:51:05.960
<v Speaker 7>say that I've been listening to your podcast and all

1:51:06.040 --> 1:51:08.000
<v Speaker 7>of the speak pipes that's that have been coming in.

1:51:08.920 --> 1:51:10.640
<v Speaker 7>I've been meaning to send a speak pipe for a

1:51:10.720 --> 1:51:15.280
<v Speaker 7>while now, and I wanted Chloe and I to both

1:51:15.320 --> 1:51:18.519
<v Speaker 7>get in on it and do it together. Yes, but

1:51:19.760 --> 1:51:22.559
<v Speaker 7>we are usually just I don't know, we never get

1:51:22.560 --> 1:51:26.360
<v Speaker 7>around to it anyway, Quinn is what led me to

1:51:26.479 --> 1:51:29.559
<v Speaker 7>make this speak pipe actually was that I'm actually starting

1:51:29.560 --> 1:51:31.680
<v Speaker 7>to get really jealous of all the people leaving you

1:51:31.760 --> 1:51:37.600
<v Speaker 7>speak pipes, and they keep saying that they feel like

1:51:37.760 --> 1:51:38.880
<v Speaker 7>you guys are their best friends.

1:51:38.920 --> 1:51:40.280
<v Speaker 9>It's about to end sorry help.

1:51:40.760 --> 1:51:44.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, I am obsessed with Jasmine starting that by saying,

1:51:44.800 --> 1:51:45.479
<v Speaker 1>I'm just going to send it.

1:51:46.000 --> 1:51:48.320
<v Speaker 2>It's going to be real quick. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,

1:51:48.400 --> 1:51:53.680
<v Speaker 2>yeah yeah, brevite Jasmine. But also that's great because it's

1:51:53.720 --> 1:51:56.760
<v Speaker 2>in two parts and it does run out after our

1:51:56.960 --> 1:51:59.040
<v Speaker 2>one minute and thirty seconds.

1:51:58.760 --> 1:52:03.000
<v Speaker 7>Of Sorry guys, that cut me off my hair again.

1:52:03.840 --> 1:52:06.040
<v Speaker 7>Yeah so I really what prompted me to make you

1:52:06.120 --> 1:52:08.960
<v Speaker 7>speak up is actually because I'm getting way too jealous.

1:52:08.640 --> 1:52:10.639
<v Speaker 1>Of everyone's saying that they're your best friends. I feel

1:52:10.680 --> 1:52:12.479
<v Speaker 1>like they're just sitting down having a chat with.

1:52:12.479 --> 1:52:13.080
<v Speaker 3>Their best friends.

1:52:13.080 --> 1:52:15.680
<v Speaker 7>Because in reality, guys, I'm actually.

1:52:15.880 --> 1:52:16.559
<v Speaker 1>Your best friend.

1:52:17.000 --> 1:52:20.000
<v Speaker 9>I'm actually the one who could sit down and have

1:52:20.120 --> 1:52:22.240
<v Speaker 9>a chat. And I feel special every every time I

1:52:22.320 --> 1:52:25.479
<v Speaker 9>listen to a podcast Occa, it's me. Don't like feeling

1:52:25.520 --> 1:52:27.600
<v Speaker 9>like everybody's feeling special because that I'm not special. I

1:52:27.720 --> 1:52:32.000
<v Speaker 9>I that's right, you are, give me my delusion.

1:52:32.439 --> 1:52:33.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm the special one.

1:52:33.280 --> 1:52:35.519
<v Speaker 7>Okay, we'll be We're going to really new friends if

1:52:35.560 --> 1:52:38.360
<v Speaker 7>we ever met, Like it'll be like Sammy and g

1:52:38.960 --> 1:52:42.479
<v Speaker 7>meaning for the first time when we meet, like that

1:52:42.640 --> 1:52:43.400
<v Speaker 7>instant click.

1:52:43.280 --> 1:52:43.400
<v Speaker 3>You know.

1:52:44.800 --> 1:52:46.919
<v Speaker 2>I feel like I love the podcast.

1:52:47.280 --> 1:52:50.519
<v Speaker 1>Love you guys, keep up the good work.

1:52:51.000 --> 1:52:56.200
<v Speaker 7>I will continue to listen every okay Thursday, and I

1:52:56.280 --> 1:53:01.040
<v Speaker 7>have startedges Confession Confession everybody.

1:53:00.720 --> 1:53:03.599
<v Speaker 1>Has an ex podcast? Yes, I will start Confessions too,

1:53:03.640 --> 1:53:06.439
<v Speaker 1>So thank you so much. I am loving everybody else.

1:53:06.880 --> 1:53:08.479
<v Speaker 3>And just a little side note, I sent my.

1:53:08.520 --> 1:53:10.080
<v Speaker 2>Own email in.

1:53:13.040 --> 1:53:15.679
<v Speaker 6>Which would be interesting if if I got.

1:53:17.680 --> 1:53:19.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm likely you guys.

1:53:19.880 --> 1:53:22.320
<v Speaker 1>I will hopefully.

1:53:24.120 --> 1:53:26.519
<v Speaker 3>The off.

1:53:29.600 --> 1:53:32.439
<v Speaker 1>There's no third part from because when you're a basing

1:53:32.520 --> 1:53:35.040
<v Speaker 1>it's so funny because you absolutely are one of ours

1:53:35.080 --> 1:53:36.400
<v Speaker 1>because and.

1:53:36.479 --> 1:53:37.800
<v Speaker 5>I just go on and on and on.

1:53:40.439 --> 1:53:44.200
<v Speaker 2>We are you are our best friend. And this one

1:53:44.439 --> 1:53:48.080
<v Speaker 2>comes from Kate, Hey Georgia and Sammy.

1:53:48.400 --> 1:53:49.759
<v Speaker 1>My name is Kate Georgia.

1:53:49.800 --> 1:53:53.400
<v Speaker 8>We've met before through our beautiful mutual friend Candice to.

1:53:53.400 --> 1:53:54.320
<v Speaker 3>Her loved.

1:53:56.000 --> 1:53:58.840
<v Speaker 1>Beautiful day one stand. Everyone has an X. I will

1:53:58.880 --> 1:53:59.720
<v Speaker 1>tell anyone and.

1:54:01.520 --> 1:54:01.560
<v Speaker 3>Me.

1:54:01.920 --> 1:54:04.080
<v Speaker 8>And whilst I've been waiting for new Seasons to drop,

1:54:04.160 --> 1:54:05.599
<v Speaker 8>I thought, what am I going to do with my time?

1:54:05.960 --> 1:54:07.760
<v Speaker 8>I don't think give not another crime podcast to go

1:54:08.760 --> 1:54:11.679
<v Speaker 8>to lose. Well, you two, you've got me, bloody hook.

1:54:13.280 --> 1:54:15.840
<v Speaker 8>I've actually been living away for the past year from

1:54:15.880 --> 1:54:18.880
<v Speaker 8>home in Korea with the musical Big Kid, and I

1:54:18.960 --> 1:54:21.040
<v Speaker 8>feel like I've got my two little besties on the

1:54:21.120 --> 1:54:23.160
<v Speaker 8>road with me. I get my Monday drop, I get

1:54:23.200 --> 1:54:25.519
<v Speaker 8>my Thursday drop. Thank you very much, and I've been

1:54:25.560 --> 1:54:30.360
<v Speaker 8>having a blast. Love the banter between you two, the

1:54:30.439 --> 1:54:33.760
<v Speaker 8>way you tell these stories with such love, respect and care,

1:54:33.800 --> 1:54:36.080
<v Speaker 8>but also keep it light and entertaining for us.

1:54:36.560 --> 1:54:38.160
<v Speaker 2>And obviously I love all.

1:54:38.080 --> 1:54:40.920
<v Speaker 8>Of the musical theater references, so please please keep that

1:54:41.080 --> 1:54:42.920
<v Speaker 8>up and just keep living your best lives.

1:54:42.920 --> 1:54:47.200
<v Speaker 1>I absolutely love your work. Okay, you're beautiful. Jasmon's gonna

1:54:47.200 --> 1:54:52.200
<v Speaker 1>be very jealous friend as well, but yeah, you actually are,

1:54:52.240 --> 1:54:55.560
<v Speaker 1>like hate You're amazing. Yes, Kaya's just finish up the

1:54:55.880 --> 1:55:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Australian and then went international tour of Wicked. Oh my god,

1:55:00.680 --> 1:55:06.080
<v Speaker 1>she's amazing. And I'll give you a little theater here

1:55:06.880 --> 1:55:10.160
<v Speaker 1>by telling you all the story that this is one

1:55:10.160 --> 1:55:13.960
<v Speaker 1>of my favorite things that has happened in live theater

1:55:14.280 --> 1:55:16.040
<v Speaker 1>that I can think of, at least in the last

1:55:16.080 --> 1:55:16.720
<v Speaker 1>few years.

1:55:20.920 --> 1:55:21.200
<v Speaker 2>Something.

1:55:21.280 --> 1:55:23.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's close. We went a bit off at the

1:55:23.160 --> 1:55:27.760
<v Speaker 1>end there, but it's not that. So when the day

1:55:27.920 --> 1:55:32.120
<v Speaker 1>that the queen died, oh god, yes, sorry to tell

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<v Speaker 1>you that. It was a few years ago. Now, Nope,

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<v Speaker 1>there is no Prince Andrew anymore, but it's no, he's

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<v Speaker 1>not okay ah that n So the day the Queen died.

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<v Speaker 1>That night on the West End, there was a performance

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<v Speaker 1>of Wicked, and the director came out at the start

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<v Speaker 1>before the show started and said to the audience, we,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, pay our respects to the Royal family and

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<v Speaker 1>commiserations the other we have. The Royal family has expressed

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<v Speaker 1>that they want Tonight's West End shows to continue on,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, as planned. So with that in mind, we

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<v Speaker 1>are doing the show exactly as it is done every night,

1:56:18.640 --> 1:56:22.960
<v Speaker 1>written exactly how it's always been written. And he is

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<v Speaker 1>tonight's performance of Wi Kid and the first words of

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<v Speaker 1>the show when everyone comes out on the stage is

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<v Speaker 1>no good news. She's dead the Wicked or which is dead?

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<v Speaker 2>My god? That is absolutely incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just so funny because him coming out at the

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<v Speaker 1>start made everyone's years tuned into why are they saying.

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<v Speaker 2>It hasn't been? My god? That's so funny, Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>And you'll be happy to know Kats went ahead and

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<v Speaker 2>Greece the musical well well well summer noways wear as

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<v Speaker 2>good as they did that.

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<v Speaker 10>I just want to say thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 10>bringing us this podcast. I've always been a fan of

1:57:18.760 --> 1:57:21.920
<v Speaker 10>true crime, but coming across your podcast has been really

1:57:21.960 --> 1:57:25.000
<v Speaker 10>refreshing and I really enjoy your take on these stories.

1:57:26.440 --> 1:57:29.280
<v Speaker 10>I also consider myself a fan of musical theater and

1:57:29.400 --> 1:57:32.840
<v Speaker 10>really love when Georgia talks all about her passion for it.

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<v Speaker 10>I've seen many a show two or three times, but

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<v Speaker 10>I am ashamed to say that.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't seen Hamilton before. Angela so much about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually watched it on Disney tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>I loved it very much.

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<v Speaker 10>Recommendation anyway, I just want to say thank you again.

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<v Speaker 10>I really enjoy listening, and please keep up the good

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<v Speaker 10>work and keep bringing us these wonderful episodes each week.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks bye. That was from Angela.

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<v Speaker 1>Angela, and I feel like you will love Hamilton even

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<v Speaker 1>more because there is a name very similar to yours

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<v Speaker 1>and you should be going around singing Angela, Eliza and

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<v Speaker 1>Peggy oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And also, Angela, you have an incredible voice. You're ready

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<v Speaker 2>for one more? Yes, You're ready for one more? Right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you love?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes?

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<v Speaker 4>Hi, guys, I just wanted to send a speak pipe

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<v Speaker 4>and send my love for the podcast. I love listening

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<v Speaker 4>in every Thursday for the weekly Treat Thursday Treat and

1:58:29.760 --> 1:58:33.760
<v Speaker 4>catching up on all of the episodes. I was wondering

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<v Speaker 4>if you guys had ever heard of the Eating Westbrook case.

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<v Speaker 4>It is on another podcast at the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's.

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<v Speaker 7>The Little Eadie or Westbrook story.

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<v Speaker 4>But that's a Tasmanian crime, so up your area, Georgia.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, I just wondered if you had ever heard

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<v Speaker 4>of it or would consider doing an episode on that

1:59:00.840 --> 1:59:04.440
<v Speaker 4>particular case. I would love to hear your guys viewpoints.

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<v Speaker 4>The previous episode you've done, I think it learns the

1:59:10.080 --> 1:59:13.760
<v Speaker 4>Four Winds Yacht episode. The DNA that was found on

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<v Speaker 4>that yacht bus is one of the key persons of

1:59:21.400 --> 1:59:28.160
<v Speaker 4>interest in The Little Lady. Yeah, so I just wondering

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<v Speaker 4>if you had a part of it, if you would

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<v Speaker 4>consider doing an episode on it. I would just love

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<v Speaker 4>to hear another viewpoint.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Anyway, I hope you guys are having a great week

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<v Speaker 4>and love the episodes.

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<v Speaker 8>Oh, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I've heard and read about the case. I haven't listened.

1:59:46.720 --> 1:59:49.480
<v Speaker 1>There's a full podcast about it, so I will do

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<v Speaker 1>some proper research and we'll bring you that one as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's a tazzy story. Yeah, it's you don't

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<v Speaker 1>need to twist my arm much further than that. That's

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<v Speaker 1>so fascinating that there's a cross over at least in

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<v Speaker 1>a suspect.

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<v Speaker 2>Of some kind. Isn't that fascinating? Thank you everyone as

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<v Speaker 2>always for leaving voicemails, for writing into us if you

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<v Speaker 2>want to. We'll have one more episode next week with

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<v Speaker 2>the Great G Love, but then after that we'll have

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<v Speaker 2>Scott Williams. So if you want to write in and

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<v Speaker 2>links are below in the show notes. G Love com

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<v Speaker 1>On Instagram and TikTok not Another Crime Podcast, and they

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<v Speaker 1>can watch us on YouTube and not Another Crime Podcast

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<v Speaker 1>search that in your YouTube search bar and also leave

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<v Speaker 1>us a five star writing a five star review on

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<v Speaker 1>your podcast app that you are listening in right now. Sammy,

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<v Speaker 1>what is your poor dry peeve today?

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<v Speaker 2>I want you to go first, girl, please?

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<v Speaker 1>I know mine And if you guys follow us on Instagram,

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<v Speaker 1>which she should be doing, you may have seen me

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<v Speaker 1>go on about this on Stories yesterday. So this has

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<v Speaker 1>come about from Timothy Chalama discing Ballet and the opera. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>by the time this episode comes out, I hope that

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<v Speaker 1>everyone has already seen this everywhere and hated Timothy for it,

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<v Speaker 1>so you don't need to go into that itself. However,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the memes I saw about it, or not

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<v Speaker 1>even memes but reactions, reminded me of a poetry peep

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<v Speaker 1>And that reaction post on Instagram was a screenshot of

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<v Speaker 1>a scene from movie musical The Greatest Showman.

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<v Speaker 2>Your favorite musical of all time, I believe of.

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<v Speaker 1>The character who is an opera singer when she does

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<v Speaker 1>her opera performance. So it was screen No, the song

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<v Speaker 1>is never, Never, my fricking p That is not fucking opera.

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<v Speaker 2>It is not a song.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a standard like shit ballad, and it annoys the

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<v Speaker 1>absolute shit out of me that the whole the character's

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing is that she's an opera singer and that

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to the opera and she just sings like

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<v Speaker 1>a badly written because.

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<v Speaker 2>Youve that just that specifically specific song in that musical, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and that.

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<v Speaker 1>People refer to that as that character is an opera singer.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I think in the musical they Go, she's

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<v Speaker 2>an opera singer and the song.

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<v Speaker 1>Is not an operatic song at all. It just makes

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<v Speaker 1>me so angry. Also, it's just a ship movie musical.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously, some of the songs that are great.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of the songs are great. Yes, this is Some

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<v Speaker 1>of the songs are great.

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<v Speaker 2>Zach Efron is in it, obviously before this major malfunction

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<v Speaker 2>with his face.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, isn't it you sure?

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<v Speaker 4>Great?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Remember that love story with zac Efron. Please don't remember that.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah, but it's just not. Everyone thinks I'd really love it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just don't. I don't like, I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't. It's okay, not for you. Mine would

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<v Speaker 2>be people who say I'm on my way in a

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<v Speaker 2>text when they're still horizontal. I find it so frustrating

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<v Speaker 2>because I am a god right now, No, because you

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<v Speaker 2>don't do that. I'm always You're always late, but you

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<v Speaker 2>always so I always arrive late. When you say you're

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<v Speaker 2>on time, I always go give it ten minutes. Yeah, exactly,

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<v Speaker 2>so I've adjusted my time set for you.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>But people who say that when they're like when they're genuinely,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, they're not on their way at all.

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<v Speaker 2>And I get so frustrated when it's like, oh, like,

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<v Speaker 2>I also have stuff to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so if you're not on your way, that's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>That I don't care. Just say it. So it's not

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<v Speaker 2>like I could be editing a podcast. I could be

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<v Speaker 2>doing a million things.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, it's okay if you're late, but tell me.

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<v Speaker 2>Just tell me, and I say I'm on my way

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<v Speaker 2>when you're absolutely not. Also, can I say a doting

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<v Speaker 2>digs for this week? I had a beautiful friend come

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<v Speaker 2>over today, Rachel Payne, who is the MP for legalizing cannabis,

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<v Speaker 2>who I've started doing some editing work for, and she's

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely fantastic and just an interesting viewpoint on whether or

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<v Speaker 2>not you should legalize cannabis whatever lor whatever your standpoint is.

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<v Speaker 2>But I had a beautiful moment today with her when

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<v Speaker 2>Will chatting and Diggs came and sat up with me

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<v Speaker 2>because he always likes to be very close to and

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<v Speaker 2>she goes, oh, just hanging out with your dad, And

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<v Speaker 2>it was just such a beautiful moment because it was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he is, and he just likes to be as close

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<v Speaker 2>to me as possible, like he is right now, so

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<v Speaker 2>on your phone. Yeah, just starnging out with his dad

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<v Speaker 2>and going, it's always like he's showing me off, going.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh dad, yeah, my dad.

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<v Speaker 2>This guy's amazing. The next episode we're going to record

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be with the Great, the Majestic, the

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<v Speaker 2>Queen herself, Powdry Hatburn. We cannot tease this enough because

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<v Speaker 2>she is, I'll just say it, the most beautiful cat

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<v Speaker 2>I've ever goddamn scene.

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<v Speaker 1>She's the most beautiful being.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god. But I am excited to be with her.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm excited to be in her presence for a moment.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're gonna be recording the next episode that you

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<v Speaker 2>hear of the main episode on the Monday, that'll be

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<v Speaker 2>with Poudrey. Then after that a couple of episodes was

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<v Speaker 2>Scott Williams. It's gonna be great, yes, So do right

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<v Speaker 2>in to Scott Williams and I will be here for

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<v Speaker 2>the next couple of weeks after that, and then g

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<v Speaker 2>Love will of course be back.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be back soon, Lucie. You remember you belong to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be back. Time will tell you'll remember that I.

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<v Speaker 2>Served you well. Oh rise em Bazzball.

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<v Speaker 1>We have cell the Riddle.

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<v Speaker 2>And wind Push comes to shop.

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<v Speaker 4>I will send a fully armed battalion to remind you

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<v Speaker 4>of my love.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, can I just say thank you to all of

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<v Speaker 2>the Clarks for doing the theme music. Thank you to

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<v Speaker 2>Terms and Hayes for doing the artwork.

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<v Speaker 1>That song we just sang.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I also say, please leave a five star rating

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<v Speaker 2>Liba five star. If you share this podcast with a

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<v Speaker 3>Stars.

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<v Speaker 7>Left Francisco.

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<v Speaker 1>On the string thanks to the on the string, thanks

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<v Speaker 1>to the gift. Step down, Down Down.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't write anything excepted like Neil Diamond,