Speaker 1: Fifteen year old Rachel Barber had everything going for her.
Speaker 1: She was incredibly talented, a dancer training full time. She
Speaker 1: was popular, loved by her family who were very close,
Speaker 1: and by her beautiful boyfriend, an equally gorgeous and loving
Speaker 1: person in his own right. And she was beautiful, strikingly so.
Speaker 1: She was tall, slim, dark hair, and striking piercing green eyes.
Speaker 1: It would be very easy to envy Rachel, but she
Speaker 1: was too pure. She was too kind and loving and
Speaker 1: full of life to everyone but one person. One person
Speaker 1: saw Rachel as having the life they would never have,
Speaker 1: and that's why Rachel ended up murdered. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: this is the truly harrowing story of fifteen year old
Speaker 1: Rachel Barber.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. I know a little bit about this,
Speaker 2: and I'm scared of what you're about to tell me.
Speaker 2: Hey there, everybody, welcome to not Another Crime podcast. I'm
Speaker 2: Georgia Love, I'm Semmi Peterson.
Speaker 1: I'm a journalist.
Speaker 2: I am not. But I'll tell you what if you
Speaker 2: want to skip ahead and just listen to the story,
Speaker 2: The time code on how to do that or just
Speaker 2: actually does a time code is in the show not But.
Speaker 1: Before you do if anyone is doing that. I want
Speaker 1: to give a preface to this week's Thursday Treat episode
Speaker 1: because it's related to the story. So don't skip ahead
Speaker 1: just yet. Not just yet, maybe don't at all, but
Speaker 1: definitely not yet. So this Thursday's Treat is going to
Speaker 1: be a real treat, indeed, because I have another podcast
Speaker 1: called Everyone Has an X Yes, And this Thursday we're
Speaker 1: going to actually have an episode of that podcast as
Speaker 1: our Thursday Treat because it's about this story. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's all I'll say now, because it's a special
Speaker 1: treat for you to listen to on Thursday. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it is related to this story and we're going to
Speaker 1: drop that for you on Thursday. So if you are
Speaker 1: listening to this story and you want to know more,
Speaker 1: hear more here one person's view of its side of it,
Speaker 1: their story. Yeah, listening it on Thursday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And if you did skip ahead, f off
Speaker 2: say that because I don't know they don't know that.
Speaker 1: The thing is we can actually say that.
Speaker 2: You can say here.
Speaker 1: But if you guys know anyone who is a skiperheader.
Speaker 2: Yeah good, yeah, tell them off, tell them off on
Speaker 2: for us, past off on. That's that's quite hard to say.
Speaker 2: On my other podcast, Confessions, there is a new episode
Speaker 2: up already with the great Gareth Reynolds if you want
Speaker 2: to listen to that. Gareth is one of the funniest
Speaker 2: people ever and I was very excited to record with
Speaker 2: him over a wonderful thing called Zoom dot com. It
Speaker 2: makes everything harder, Oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because ideas always a little bit of a delay,
Speaker 1: always always, So it's.
Speaker 2: A program on the computer. Thank you now?
Speaker 1: That the thing I have to record that my other
Speaker 1: podcast on.
Speaker 2: If it has an x available on all of the apps.
Speaker 1: Right, and there's a new season out of the Mind.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's available in all of.
Speaker 1: All of all of the podcast apps. It's not available
Speaker 1: on for instance.
Speaker 2: Flow tracker.
Speaker 1: It's not available on flow Tracker, flow Tracker, it's not
Speaker 1: available on me.
Speaker 2: I don't know why you can't think of any apps
Speaker 2: at all.
Speaker 1: I was about to say Spotify, but it is.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: It's not available on the email your.
Speaker 2: One very good, but it can.
Speaker 1: Can email us at Sammy at just another company dot.
Speaker 2: Com if you want to get in touch on don't
Speaker 2: you also send us a voicemail because we.
Speaker 1: What are other apps? Pace day?
Speaker 2: There's so many apps what are you talking about this
Speaker 2: YouTube app?
Speaker 1: But it is available on YouTube.
Speaker 2: Oh is it?
Speaker 1: Oh wait, no, that sounds.
Speaker 2: That sounds It's available on YouTube dot com. Scape plugs
Speaker 2: for ours though, if you want to watch you on
Speaker 2: YouTube dot com. It is out right bloody. Now, there
Speaker 2: won't be a YouTube video for Thursday's episode, but it
Speaker 2: is so worth listening to g love for people that
Speaker 2: don't know. Right now, there is I would describe it
Speaker 2: as a ruckus happening upstairs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a no, I can't think of better words,
Speaker 1: dance party.
Speaker 2: It's called a dance party. And what a dance party
Speaker 2: is if you don't know, it's people who dance non stop.
Speaker 2: And my neighbor deb right now, I think every weekend
Speaker 2: she has a dance party with some of her friends.
Speaker 2: They are so positive they I think, what did you say?
Speaker 2: She said? They do it so they can feel safe
Speaker 2: and just have a good time. It's always in Sunday afternoon.
Speaker 2: They all bring bottles of bubble, so we can relate
Speaker 2: to that. And all they do is they dance. They
Speaker 2: call out to digs on their balcony down and they
Speaker 2: just dance and have the best time in the world.
Speaker 2: And it is so fun to hear.
Speaker 1: Or they're in like the maybe fifties are there?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, maybe late forty fifties, And basically they dance
Speaker 2: all all afternoon upstairs. It's too Shanaia Twain mostly and
Speaker 2: it's very good stuff. So yeah, I love it when
Speaker 2: they let's go girls come all scream out they do. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's so good. And upstairs, all that happens is I
Speaker 2: can just hear footsteps going. But because of my double glazing,
Speaker 2: do you love, I cannot hear out there, So I
Speaker 2: do like to open it up so I can hear
Speaker 2: them dancing and go and join the Oh I have before.
Speaker 2: I've been upstairs before to take Digs up because they
Speaker 2: have invited Digs to the dance party before. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: he loves it. He's a dancer from way back.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he has dance parties himself.
Speaker 2: Here, you know, Digs. I've been watching some Netflix documentaries recently, Sammy.
Speaker 1: No, wait, you're allowed to tell me that, please, But
Speaker 1: you know what I'm going to ask you first?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 2: Yes? Please?
Speaker 1: Have you watched fucking Heated Rivalry yet?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: I have not, but I have watched a lot more
Speaker 2: Morning Wars greag.
Speaker 1: Go you why haven't you watched Heated Rivalry yet?
Speaker 2: I started to watch the first episode and I was
Speaker 2: not in the right headspace for it because it was
Speaker 2: quite slow. You need to try, I know, I know,
Speaker 2: to trust me.
Speaker 1: Also, it's been one of my poudry peeves before when
Speaker 1: you tell someone watch this show you'll love it, and
Speaker 1: they just don't do it.
Speaker 2: My wife, I'm telling you because also when someone says,
Speaker 2: oh my god, you have to watch this episode, it
Speaker 2: gets great after three seasons.
Speaker 1: This is only six episodes.
Speaker 2: I know that, but still a lot. How long is
Speaker 2: each episode?
Speaker 1: Fifty minutes?
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so that's a long time.
Speaker 1: It's only six episodes.
Speaker 2: Hold on every single week, I've got a dance party
Speaker 2: to go to, or I can watch Headed Rivalry.
Speaker 1: No, they're not the only two options.
Speaker 2: What are the other options you can have?
Speaker 1: No, No, they're not options at all. You can do both.
Speaker 2: Oh I see, yes, yes, yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: So I'm not saying every week on a Sunday and
Speaker 1: watch all six episode or go to Deb's dance party.
Speaker 1: I've never once said that, and I never.
Speaker 2: Would as I call it about that, but I'll say, gee,
Speaker 2: love is what if I just said, yeah, I watched
Speaker 2: it and I was at the cottage this weekend, I will.
Speaker 1: Believe that you wouldn't because then I would want to
Speaker 1: sit down and have an eight hour about it, and
Speaker 1: I would know very.
Speaker 2: Quickly, yeah, well what if? Okay. So I was discussing
Speaker 2: this with the wonderful Gareth rene Olds the other day Sorry
Speaker 2: on the podcast. I said to him, I love your podcast,
Speaker 2: and I just forgot the name of his podcast and
Speaker 2: I said it with Jake Johnson and he goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: what's it called? He called me? And I went and
Speaker 2: I went, can we help? And he goes, it's and
Speaker 2: he goes, yeah, and he said he said a variation
Speaker 2: of what it was, but I almost got it right.
Speaker 2: It was just one word off anyway, and it was
Speaker 2: so funny. And then we just both started saying for
Speaker 2: the rest of the podcast, yeah, I know, like we
Speaker 2: we we both know we both don't know what we're
Speaker 2: talking about. We go fantastic, Yeah, I know, because I
Speaker 2: have a great story that I kind of told on
Speaker 2: Confessions this week. But it is one of my favorite
Speaker 2: stories ever where someone that you and I both know,
Speaker 2: and he went to a play of someone else. We
Speaker 2: both know. I'll tell you about you. You're not gonna
Speaker 2: You're not going to and okay, putting my hand on,
Speaker 2: you're going that Love the Lady and International Women's Days.
Speaker 2: We're recording this, Yes, Love the Lady.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you about that in a minute.
Speaker 2: I believe it's for women internationally. Think about it. We're
Speaker 2: going to the cottage.
Speaker 1: For only the women who are international.
Speaker 2: We're going to the cottage. And so okay, So I
Speaker 2: my friend told me this story, right, And I have
Speaker 2: since changed a little bit to this story, and I
Speaker 2: did in the Confessions episode to make it about me.
Speaker 2: What I'll say is, this story actually is not about me,
Speaker 2: but I really hear the identities of these people, and
Speaker 2: I think it's fun to just not name and shame,
Speaker 2: but get closer to what the actual story is.
Speaker 1: Are you going to tell us the story making people
Speaker 1: listen to Confessions?
Speaker 2: And I'm going to tell you. Sorry, Okay, I don't
Speaker 2: like repeating stories, but I'm going to do it this
Speaker 2: one time. So basically what happened is my friend was
Speaker 2: going to go and see this play, got really bored
Speaker 2: during it and went and had a joint upstairs on
Speaker 2: the on the rooftop and then during the show and
Speaker 2: didn't watch the show, and at the end this person
Speaker 2: who you know who you'll just you'll die when you
Speaker 2: hear who these people are. He walked up the top
Speaker 2: and saw them on the deck and all the route
Speaker 2: or whatever, and said, what did you think of the play?
Speaker 2: And my friend said, really, really good, loved it. And
Speaker 2: he said, what did you think about the horse bit?
Speaker 2: And he said that was my favorite bit? And he
Speaker 2: said there was no horse bit, right, So that's the story.
Speaker 2: And so Gareth and I spoke about that for a
Speaker 2: long time, and then I decided to pretend that I've
Speaker 2: seen all lords. Gareth start so he said my film
Speaker 2: that he hadn't sent to me. At that point, he goes,
Speaker 2: what do you think of it? Go yeah, no, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: it's real good stuff, bro. I find it one of
Speaker 2: the funniest things in the world where people pretend that
Speaker 2: they've seen something and they haven't, and it is so
Speaker 2: so easy to get caught out in it. My friend Davin,
Speaker 2: great friend Davin, when my childhood friends told me once
Speaker 2: he's like.
Speaker 1: He's not a child anymore.
Speaker 2: So he grew up. Yes, and he said to me,
Speaker 2: once have you seen Scooby Doo when I went, yeah,
Speaker 2: I've seen Scooby Doo and he goes, no, no, you haven't.
Speaker 2: I went, yeah, I had seen Scooby Doo and he goes,
Speaker 2: I was like, so you can tell me the spoilers
Speaker 2: and everything, just so why I would know a bit
Speaker 2: more about it. And he said what about the bit
Speaker 2: when they're in the van or something like that? And
Speaker 2: I said, oh, I love that bit and he goes,
Speaker 2: that never happened in the film. So Davin really caught
Speaker 2: me out. Was real piece of work, real snake in
Speaker 2: the grass about that. And I never I've never forgiven him. Yes,
Speaker 2: basically it's from so I've never forgiven him. Have you
Speaker 2: done that where you pretended to I imagine you as
Speaker 2: a journalist, You probably don't do that. You don't go yeah,
Speaker 2: I loved it.
Speaker 1: No, I don't do that. I can't think of a
Speaker 1: time when I would have done that.
Speaker 2: Great comedians Seelipcoller did that to me and my friend
Speaker 2: brom Lewis when she came on podcast I used to
Speaker 2: do call you two Drunk Counties, and she came on
Speaker 2: to her pretending she knew it, and then we called
Speaker 2: her out on it because it was.
Speaker 1: You would say, you would do the segment and she goes,
Speaker 1: what why are you doing that?
Speaker 2: But are you calling it this? And I started every
Speaker 2: episode going let's go girls, and then and then she
Speaker 2: goes fuck and she lost her and she goes you
Speaker 2: let every episode was like, yes, you obviously don't listen.
Speaker 2: That's interesting, but I love it. You wouldn't do that. That
Speaker 2: was a journalist, because I remember when you went to
Speaker 2: interview A Doll a little while ago and you said
Speaker 2: you listened to the album.
Speaker 1: That was a That was a different journalist.
Speaker 2: And so he got a flight over to London.
Speaker 1: The exclusive only Australian person to do an interview with
Speaker 1: Adele about her latest album.
Speaker 2: Yeah probably called something about her age yep, yep.
Speaker 1: And he flew over to London, sat down for a
Speaker 1: one on one interview with her, and she realized during
Speaker 1: the interview she got the vibe that he hadn't listened
Speaker 1: to it, and she asked him straight out, have you
Speaker 1: listened to it? And the only part of it, no,
Speaker 1: we did it. The only part of it due respect
Speaker 1: is that he said no, no, I haven't. It's not
Speaker 1: out and she said, we sent it to you beforehand though,
Speaker 1: and he said, I didn't realize. So none of the
Speaker 1: none of that story is good except but I do
Speaker 1: respect that he said I haven't, because it is bad
Speaker 1: on both parts if you haven't. So this is the
Speaker 1: thing with the play that he was saying that you
Speaker 1: know someone who went.
Speaker 2: To this is fascinating you know both people.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I can't person was.
Speaker 2: In the play and the person who went to the
Speaker 2: play was.
Speaker 1: I just need a yes or no from you? Was
Speaker 1: the person in the play. Chris Hemsworth was the person
Speaker 1: who went to the play. Bobby Darren. They like swing
Speaker 1: music style, the one that sings.
Speaker 2: Some Okay, I cannot confirm more tonight. I cannot confirm
Speaker 2: more tonight. Probably not since I said, who was Bobby Darren? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: so you going would you would never do something like
Speaker 2: that because Carl Stefanovic whenever I was a person.
Speaker 1: That was a journalist, No, it wasn't. You can't just.
Speaker 2: Throw someone on the bus that I listened to Carl
Speaker 2: Stefanovick's podcast. Recently, he had an interview with Pauline Hanson.
Speaker 1: I'm going to double down on the y Okay.
Speaker 2: The real reason I listened to it is because he
Speaker 2: had an episode with Kyle Sandalans. No, but I wanted
Speaker 2: to go, what is going on with this man? And
Speaker 2: I wanted to I've never listened to Kyle Sanderan, So
Speaker 2: I was like, I want to learn a little bit
Speaker 2: about Kyl Sandalanz And I really didn't like hiding it.
Speaker 2: And then I went, oh my god, he's had Pauline
Speaker 2: Hanson on, and I.
Speaker 1: Wanted to listeners just google these people.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, both real and shit.
Speaker 2: But Pauline Hanson, I was like, I actually find her
Speaker 2: voice very funny. Yeah, okay, And so I wanted to
Speaker 2: hear a sa plist explained, but you she has moments
Speaker 2: like that where she says ridiculous stuff and you're like,
Speaker 2: oh god, but I find her such a she seems
Speaker 2: like a character. She doesn't feel like a real person's correct,
Speaker 2: she feels like such a character. And there used to
Speaker 2: be a character called Pauline pants Down that was a
Speaker 2: drag comedy character about Pauline, and she did an amazing
Speaker 2: song called please Explain. I don't like it. No, No,
Speaker 2: never did, I don't like it. So have you you
Speaker 2: know that one of her yeah, oh so good. I'll
Speaker 2: put it in here. I don't like it.
Speaker 1: Anything.
Speaker 2: I don't like it.
Speaker 1: I went near.
Speaker 2: I don't like it.
Speaker 1: Anything.
Speaker 2: My friend wants to do a show about Pauline Hansoon
Speaker 2: but playing Pauline Hanson, and they are one of the
Speaker 2: funniest people ever. They did a show about Chappelle Corby.
Speaker 2: She actually looks like Chappelle Corby, and then she did
Speaker 2: She's just done heaps of great one woman shows, and
Speaker 2: I think one about Pauline Hanson. And she's the most
Speaker 2: like like I guess for American lestens. She's very liberal
Speaker 2: in in our term. She's very like left leaning. She's very, very,
Speaker 2: very very about gay culture and everything, and I think
Speaker 2: it'd be very funny to watch her do a show
Speaker 2: about Pauline Hanson. Anyway, Kyle Stephanovick listening to it and
Speaker 2: everything is just really interesting because I find it really
Speaker 2: hard to listen to someone sometimes when you're like because
Speaker 2: uncomfortable conversations. I find really interesting. If you're talking to
Speaker 2: someone that you don't agree with, that's great. But I
Speaker 2: don't know where Carl stands, so I don't know whether
Speaker 2: or not he was promoting Carl Sanderlands or Pauline Hanson.
Speaker 2: So I didn't end up listening to the whole thing
Speaker 2: in the end, it was just an interesting moment to go.
Speaker 1: It made you feel uncomfortable, not in the right way, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right.
Speaker 2: But one of the greatest frontline episodes of all time.
Speaker 2: There's an amazing TV show in Australia by the Working
Speaker 2: Dog crew who were just incredible and also four doors
Speaker 2: down from my home, right of docs mm and I
Speaker 2: just love them so much that their address is not listened.
Speaker 2: Don't you worry about that? And yeah, I've looked and
Speaker 2: I find them so incredible. And they did an episode
Speaker 2: basically what it was. It was in a current affair show,
Speaker 2: but it was it was way before really like any
Speaker 2: of those sort of really satirical shows.
Speaker 1: That's where edit it's here, yes, and it's.
Speaker 2: So brilliant and it's basically like if you've seen the
Speaker 2: Larry Sanders Show in America, it's very much like that,
Speaker 2: like behind the scenes of a current affairs show and
Speaker 2: news report every single night. And there's one episode that
Speaker 2: actually had Pauline Hanson in and she pays herself out
Speaker 2: yeah in it, and remember that, yeah, And someone goes,
Speaker 2: she's xenophobic, and then Mike Moore, the lead guy, who's
Speaker 2: a bit dumb, he doesn't really understand what means, so
Speaker 2: he keeps going that xenophobic and people keept going, have
Speaker 2: you actually listened to her speech, and he goes, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: he does that thing. Yeah, yeah, I get it, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I get it, and it's going that xenophobic And it's
Speaker 2: one of the funniest episodes ever because and then she
Speaker 2: goes on and she's on in the end, she's on.
Speaker 2: She kind of pays out herself a little bit, and
Speaker 2: it's not it's not something you've ever really seen from
Speaker 2: her because I think now maybe back in the day
Speaker 2: she did have a sense of humor about herself. Now
Speaker 2: she does not know. She's like minimum, she's Trump esque. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she's one nation, yeah yeah, yeah, she's one nation in Australia,
Speaker 2: which is just you know, very yeah yeah, ultra conservative,
Speaker 2: right wing, but very problematic, very problematic. But yeah, back
Speaker 2: in the day, there was a it's a fascinating episode.
Speaker 2: I have to watch it. It is so fascinating.
Speaker 1: I'll ask you off, Mike, your thoughts about the podcast
Speaker 1: bits that you have listened to of Carl Stefanovick's yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can tell me your thoughts if you want.
Speaker 2: Like, I've never liked Carl Carl Sevnovik, but I do
Speaker 2: find it interesting. I don't know. I don't mind listening
Speaker 2: to things sometimes that I find uncomfortable, Like I don't
Speaker 2: mind listening to something for a little bit until I go, Okay,
Speaker 2: I get the idea of what you're talking about. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: I get the idea. Like Joe Rogan, Like I've never
Speaker 2: really listened to Joe Rogan, but I did have a
Speaker 2: friend that was on Joe Rogan and listen to it, going,
Speaker 2: I get what it's about.
Speaker 1: Who's your friend? Who was on?
Speaker 2: James Donald Force McCann, who is a comedian from Adelaide
Speaker 2: who has really blown up. He's a very very very
Speaker 2: funny person. I don't agree with all of the things
Speaker 2: that he says, but he's a very very very funny
Speaker 2: person that went over to America because he opened in
Speaker 2: Australia for Shane Gillis, and who's a big American comedian.
Speaker 2: Shane Gillis really supports him, takes him around with him
Speaker 2: around the world, and he's just become really big and
Speaker 2: he was on the Joe Rogan podcast, and so that's
Speaker 2: the only Joe Rogan podcast I've ever listened to. But
Speaker 2: I know Louis Theroux's been on there, and people that
Speaker 2: I actually like have been on there. I'm sure someone
Speaker 2: like John Ronson would go on there because I find
Speaker 2: those sorts of people they actually are okay to a
Speaker 2: certain extent in talking about who they are and then
Speaker 2: and then kind of pushing back. I think, yeah, like
Speaker 2: I did Josh Epps podcast Uncomfortable Conversations, and I don't
Speaker 2: agree with everything Josh Spp says, and I would say
Speaker 2: that to it. But I like Josh EPs, so it's like, you.
Speaker 1: Know, the fact that you would say it to him
Speaker 1: is why you could.
Speaker 2: Go on Yeah, yeah, exactly. But no, Yeah, the car
Speaker 2: Stevenovik thing is a really interesting I'm not promoting his podcast.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying it is an interesting dynamic. If you
Speaker 2: are in a mind frame to go what there, what
Speaker 2: is this about? It is an interesting thing to listen
Speaker 2: to for a few seconds to go, Okay, I get it.
Speaker 2: I'm not into it. I'd rather listen to Mama miir
Speaker 2: out loud, but but I kind of go, yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 2: That's interesting. Okay, I understand now. I get the whole
Speaker 2: I listened to two seconds ago. I'm such a man.
Speaker 2: I get the whole view. I understand it all. On
Speaker 2: International Women's Day when we're recording this, I get it.
Speaker 1: So what I will say about it being International Women's
Speaker 1: Day today is I had a brunch at a friends. Yes,
Speaker 1: you do this morning. Now, it wasn't purposely. It didn't
Speaker 1: purposely fall on International Women's Day. That's not why she
Speaker 1: organized it. But she just wanted to get her girlfriends
Speaker 1: together for a Sunday.
Speaker 2: Brunch like deb today, like exactly.
Speaker 1: And she asked everyone to bring a plate of something
Speaker 1: they had made or baked themselves. Now, I don't like that.
Speaker 2: I don't like that. I don't like.
Speaker 1: Baking or cooking. I'll do it when you know. If
Speaker 1: I need dinner, I'll make myself dinner, okay.
Speaker 2: Big girl. If I'm late, if I'm hungry, oh late.
Speaker 2: And also just so you know, if G is hungry.
Speaker 1: You'll know you. Oh my god, the hanger is real.
Speaker 2: We have been on trips together and oh my god,
Speaker 2: when she is hangy, she tell you I don't like
Speaker 2: hanging When she hangy is when you catchrayes when she hangy,
Speaker 2: she tell you barently mcgamera when she hangy. You know,
Speaker 2: I hate hangy and you know, sorry, tell you beautiful story, right.
Speaker 1: So I baked some savory muffins to take to this
Speaker 1: brunch because I was asked to, and I was against
Speaker 1: the fact that I was asked anyway, because and the
Speaker 1: fact that it was a lady's brunch and the invitation
Speaker 1: that went out and said ladies brunch, which lovely for
Speaker 1: my friend to host this thing. But I don't want
Speaker 1: to cook and I want to bake.
Speaker 2: But I did. Yeah. I told you to go to work,
Speaker 2: just at some sort of bakery or something and get shit. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I said that those exact words.
Speaker 1: Yes you did. So I spent my Saturday night at
Speaker 1: home baking muffins for ladies Brunch on International Women's Day.
Speaker 1: And I cannot tell you how angry I am at
Speaker 1: myself for when realizing that that's what I did for
Speaker 1: International Women's Day. I've put the movement back fucking forty years.
Speaker 1: I'm so angry.
Speaker 2: You said fuck the patriarch and when you were when
Speaker 2: you were making them, yes, yes, yes, oh.
Speaker 1: My god, so many times and she did have her
Speaker 1: husband be the waiter and clean like all the dishes
Speaker 1: and stuff around us, which you know helped a little.
Speaker 1: And I didn't speak to him. I don't like him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like him. Other never met him, but
Speaker 2: I don't like him. Tell you that much? Uh from
Speaker 2: things I've heard, I don't like him one bit. I'm
Speaker 2: angry as hell. I can't tell you something real quick.
Speaker 2: I want to tell you this. I wish we had
Speaker 2: a behind the paywall episode so I could tell you
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Speaker 2: that is so interesting though, Like I love that as
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Speaker 2: one time very careful about what I say. But they
Speaker 2: were going to a friend's house and the friend said,
Speaker 2: need to make home made staff, bring homemade stuff, and
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Speaker 1: My mum was not a great cook, like you know,
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Speaker 1: one year she was like, fuck this, I'm just going
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Speaker 1: that she picked up during the day and ate it
Speaker 1: up that night. At the end of the dinner, when
Speaker 1: these friends were leaving, the mum of the family seach
Speaker 1: to my mum, Blinda, I've just got to say your
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Speaker 1: And if everyone, if every woman woman identifying person listening
Speaker 1: to this, could please not bake anything on request for
Speaker 1: at least the next month.
Speaker 2: Don't listen to Pauline Handsome.
Speaker 1: That will help me feel a little bit better about
Speaker 1: how far I put the movement back today by baking
Speaker 1: something because I was asked to.
Speaker 2: I'm really at it. Take one step for take two
Speaker 2: step back. That's something that Paula Abdul's on what's that?
Speaker 2: Because ups it's a tract upper.
Speaker 1: It's a tract. Is that how it goes?
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. Anyway, listen to this week's episode and
Speaker 2: I'll do the theme here.
Speaker 1: I think that's how it's okay. Before I start on
Speaker 1: the story today, I want to say that this story
Speaker 1: is one that's very very close to me. I remember
Speaker 1: it because the person involved in it, Rachel Barber, was
Speaker 1: close to my age, and I remember when it happened,
Speaker 1: and I remember, you know, kind of watching documentaries and
Speaker 1: movies and reading books about it. It happened in Melbourne,
Speaker 1: and it's just been one that I've always it's really
Speaker 1: really really stuck with me, and I have in the
Speaker 1: last couple of years met somebody involved with the story
Speaker 1: and I will I'll tell you who when the name
Speaker 1: comes up. And that has obviously only made me much
Speaker 1: closer to the story in terms of how I feel
Speaker 1: about it, and a real insight into the story itself
Speaker 1: from somebody that was involved in it. So I have
Speaker 1: spoken to that person about whether they would be comfortable
Speaker 1: for me to do this episode the story is an episode,
Speaker 1: and he has said yes, so yeah, we'll go into
Speaker 1: this story. It's really it is really harrowing story. Really harrowing.
Speaker 1: And this Thursday, we've got a special Thursday Treat, which
Speaker 1: is an episode of my other podcast, Everyone has an X.
Speaker 1: We'll be republishing that on our feed because that is
Speaker 1: an episode with this person that I have met involved
Speaker 1: in this story. So yeah, I've not done the story
Speaker 1: before now because I didn't know whether my friend would
Speaker 1: be comfortable with it. But I've spoken to him and
Speaker 1: he has said that he's happy for me to do
Speaker 1: this story as an episode. So it's just an awful one.
Speaker 1: So are you ready?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Right, I think so. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Rachel Barber was born on September twelve, nineteen eighty three.
Speaker 2: She has go years of her girl, of her guy.
Speaker 1: Here did we go? Maybe this is why I feel
Speaker 1: a real conne. She was the eldest of three girls.
Speaker 1: She had a sister named Ashley.
Speaker 2: And Heather, great names actually like those.
Speaker 1: In her wider family. There was a children's author, a writer,
Speaker 1: a photographer, a toy maker, designer, and an artist.
Speaker 2: A candlestick maker. Yeah, creative family, That's exactly.
Speaker 1: What I've written. Her whole family was very talented and
Speaker 1: very creative. Rachel started dancing at Melbourne Dance Academy, where
Speaker 1: she would spend almost every night after school and even
Speaker 1: some lunch times.
Speaker 2: Do you know how old she was when she started
Speaker 2: or she just kind of always did it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she started. She started dancing when she was really little,
Speaker 1: like kind of three, three or four when she started,
Speaker 1: and she loved it. And it's a very kind of
Speaker 1: nineties thing as well. Every girl I went to school with,
Speaker 1: everyone I know just did dancing after school everyone I know.
Speaker 1: Obviously not everyone did, but it was a very nineties thing.
Speaker 2: When you dance, you're dunt and the dance of life, yeah.
Speaker 1: Something like that. She loved it, and she was very
Speaker 1: naturally talented at it, and she worked really hard so became,
Speaker 1: you know, it really flourished in it. It wasn't just
Speaker 1: a natural talent. She worked hard as well, and she
Speaker 1: particularly flourished in classical ballet. Her grandma was a photographer,
Speaker 1: and she would pose for her grandma's artistic shots, like
Speaker 1: in her ballet, you know, on point, and she was
Speaker 1: featured in a lot of her grandma's photography because she
Speaker 1: was just this just really from a little little girl,
Speaker 1: really striking looking. She kind of had a natural ballerina
Speaker 1: frame and she had these stunning bright bright, bright green
Speaker 1: eyes and kind of almost cutlike eyes. She was very, very,
Speaker 1: very beautiful.
Speaker 2: I've seen photos of her before and she's just such
Speaker 2: a striking looking Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, At age fourteen, she did a two week modeling
Speaker 1: course because she was really desperate, really really desperate to
Speaker 1: do that. So her mum and dad said, yes, you
Speaker 1: can do the course, but her parents said, you're not
Speaker 1: doing any kind of professional work in that at this age.
Speaker 2: But you can do the course.
Speaker 1: She convinced her parents, begged her parents and pleaded to
Speaker 1: leave school at fifteen so she could go to dance
Speaker 1: school full time. Wow, and finally managed to convince them.
Speaker 1: They said, she has such a passion and love for dance,
Speaker 1: she's not going to want to do anything else in
Speaker 1: her life anyway. So it was kind of like they're
Speaker 1: really that she's going to do it any So she
Speaker 1: got into and then enrolled in Dance Factory, which is
Speaker 1: a dance school which has full full time academy as
Speaker 1: well as just classes that you can go to as well.
Speaker 1: In Richmond.
Speaker 2: Oh right, okay, they're a dog Broadway baby there. I
Speaker 2: believe that's just a little insight to those of us
Speaker 2: who love dance moms.
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, sure, yeah, I love that you. We went
Speaker 1: out for dinner with friends about and you've spent the
Speaker 1: whole dinner talking to our friend's wife about dance.
Speaker 2: Mom.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, which I haven't watched. No, and I famously
Speaker 1: a theater girl. In nineteen ninety nine, she was fifteen
Speaker 1: years old and she was dancing full time at dance Factory.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: On Monday, March one of that year, she dressed in
Speaker 1: a pair of long black pants, which definitely in those
Speaker 1: days were called dance pants.
Speaker 2: Dance pants yep, yep, a blue top, and.
Speaker 1: Her jazz runners. I've got to tell you, do you
Speaker 1: know what jazz runners are?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 5: My god?
Speaker 1: Like black, kind of like runners but with no middle.
Speaker 1: Were in their soul, so the art so you can
Speaker 1: point your toes properly.
Speaker 2: Oh okay resting, yeah wow, God damn it. I wanted
Speaker 2: them so wow.
Speaker 1: Okay, anyway, she had them. She had a backpack on
Speaker 1: with her wallet, a water bottle, and a homemade cushion
Speaker 1: she had made for her boyfriend Manny. It was a
Speaker 1: purple heart tied with a pink ribbon that she had
Speaker 1: made for him.
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
Speaker 1: Now Manny is the person who has become a friend
Speaker 1: of mine in the last few years. Rachel left her
Speaker 1: Bayswater North home at the time she always did. She
Speaker 1: held out by mum love you and got in the
Speaker 1: car with her dad, Michael, who took her to the
Speaker 1: nearby tram stop that would take her straight into school
Speaker 1: at dance Factory. He would then pick her up from
Speaker 1: the same tram stop that evening at six fifteen pm.
Speaker 1: She got on the nine thirty am tram, arriving in Richmond,
Speaker 1: where she ate breakfast at a friend's house, a friend
Speaker 1: that went to dance as well. A group of them.
Speaker 1: We would go in there together and one of the
Speaker 1: people there was her boyfriend, sixteen year old Money. They
Speaker 1: had met a dance factory the previous May.
Speaker 2: It was a dancer too.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, he's a dancer as well. Rachel wasn't full
Speaker 1: time when they met, she was just dancing there, and
Speaker 1: this year, in nineteen nine, she was full time. When
Speaker 1: they met in that previous May. They had just been
Speaker 1: inseparable ever since. They were really one of those you know,
Speaker 1: teenage couples that were just like magnetized to each other,
Speaker 1: just absolutely adored each other and you know, love hard.
Speaker 1: Eye emoji.
Speaker 2: And also like a male dancer is quite a hard
Speaker 2: thing to find as well, Like I mean a heterosexual
Speaker 2: cis like you know, like a male dancer is such
Speaker 2: a I don't know, Like I always feel like, well,
Speaker 2: this is my history watching dance mums, I always go, oh,
Speaker 2: you never really see a lot of male young dancers
Speaker 2: that want to do it. So Manny must have had
Speaker 2: like such an amazing ability to dance and everything. And
Speaker 2: what a beautiful, very.
Speaker 1: Very very talented as well, he's an amazing singer. Wow.
Speaker 1: I also remember it was the nineties, and you know
Speaker 1: he was a teenager as well, so you know, it
Speaker 1: was less common I think for teenagers then to be
Speaker 1: like that, but also less common for the you know
Speaker 1: people anyone I suppose as teenagers in the nineties to
Speaker 1: be out and openly gay if they were at that age. Yes,
Speaker 1: So it were the cushion that she had made for
Speaker 1: him was it wasn't a special occasion the day that
Speaker 1: she was giving it to him. She just had made
Speaker 1: it that weekend because she wanted him to know that
Speaker 1: he had captured her heart.
Speaker 2: Oh, how to have this her heart that it's adorable.
Speaker 1: Remember teenage relationships.
Speaker 2: Yeah, mixtapes, mix tape, I made someone a mixtape once
Speaker 2: did do? What was on there?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Like pretty much Backstreet Boys perfect yeah, which girls always love.
Speaker 1: Yeah you smooth an't ye. At ten fifteen am, the
Speaker 1: group that had been a breakfast went to their dance
Speaker 1: school to start classes. During one of the classes, Rachel
Speaker 1: told a friend that she was doing something that evening
Speaker 1: that was going to make her some money, but she
Speaker 1: couldn't say what it was. She was just telling her
Speaker 1: friend to be like, I'm really excited. I'll tell you tomorrow,
Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna to tell you today what it is.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, she didn't want to jinx it.
Speaker 2: Sure. I had a lemonade stand for a bit. Yes,
Speaker 2: I was doing stuff like that, like I wanted to
Speaker 2: meet my friend Tyron. We used to try and make
Speaker 2: any money we could, and we sold rocks with googly
Speaker 2: eyes on them at the front of the house. We'd
Speaker 2: have like we made a little stall because the trestle
Speaker 2: table pet rocks with like Google eyes, and we also
Speaker 2: had a lemonade stall as well.
Speaker 1: I've seen photos of you when you were little and
Speaker 1: you shooting.
Speaker 2: We thought it was amazing. With the same watch on
Speaker 2: we thought it was real cool, same watch and we
Speaker 2: to just sit there just talking all the time.
Speaker 1: It was one of those like slap band.
Speaker 2: Yea yeah yeah yeah, so cool would.
Speaker 1: Have been around the same yeah yeah yeah. So at
Speaker 1: lunchtime that day, Rachel and Manny went for a walk
Speaker 1: down Swan Street in Richmond, and Rachel pointed out a
Speaker 1: pair of blue platform shoes in a shop that she
Speaker 1: said she was going to buy the next day. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: they were one hundred dollars. That's ninety nine exactly. So
Speaker 1: Manny was like, they're beautiful. I know you love that,
Speaker 1: but like, come on, but she said, I'll be able
Speaker 1: to buy them tomorrow. I'm meeting up with an old
Speaker 1: friend tonight and she's going to help me make a
Speaker 1: bit of money to buy the shoes. Manny asked who
Speaker 1: the friend was and what she meant, and she said
Speaker 1: that she couldn't tell him same thing. She said, I
Speaker 1: don't want to jink set, but I'll tell you about
Speaker 1: it tomorrow. And this was very out of character for Rachel.
Speaker 1: Rachel and Manny told each other everything, but she said
Speaker 1: she had been explicitly told not to tell anyone about
Speaker 1: the work before it was done, and she didn't want
Speaker 1: to stuff it up. After classes had finished for the
Speaker 1: day or March one, at five point thirty five, Rachel
Speaker 1: walked to the tram, saying goodbye to Money and telling
Speaker 1: him she'd call him when she got home and tell
Speaker 1: him all about the job. She walked with two friends
Speaker 1: to the tram stop that they always went to, but
Speaker 1: when she got there, she said, I'm actually catching a
Speaker 1: different tram than usual, to know, from a stop further
Speaker 1: down the road. Her friends offered to walk with her,
Speaker 1: but she said it's no need. It's literally just down there,
Speaker 1: and she walked in the opposite direction to where her
Speaker 1: tram would usually take her.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Rachel's dad, Michael, was meant to pick up Rachel at
Speaker 1: six fifteen, but when it got to seven point fifteen
Speaker 1: and neither of them were home, Rachel's mum, Michael's wife Elizabeth,
Speaker 1: got worried. Neither had a mobile phone N nine, so
Speaker 1: all she could do was wait. At seven forty pm,
Speaker 1: the home phone rang. It was Michael from his parents' house,
Speaker 1: which was closer to the tram stop, so he'd just
Speaker 1: gone straight to his parents' house to wait.
Speaker 2: He was waiting there to pick her up till seven
Speaker 2: something and then and then went.
Speaker 1: Yep, calling to say Rachel hadn't got off any of
Speaker 1: the trams in the past hour or so. Now sometimes
Speaker 1: she would, There's there were two different tram stops based
Speaker 1: on which tram she got onto, so and sometimes she
Speaker 1: would go on a different tramp. They would always plan
Speaker 1: it in the morning, like tonight, I'm getting on the
Speaker 1: you know five or whatever. So he thought maybe she'd
Speaker 1: mistaken which one she was meant to get off that day,
Speaker 1: So Michael went to the other tram stop, but she
Speaker 1: wasn't there either. Elizabeth, Rachel's mum called Mannie and said,
Speaker 1: where there's Rachel with you? Where is she? He confirmed
Speaker 1: that he had last seen her at five thirty five
Speaker 1: when they parted ways, and she said she was going
Speaker 1: to a job, but wouldn't tell him what it was.
Speaker 1: Elizabeth's stomach dropped. She had heard nothing about any jobs
Speaker 1: that Rachel was meant to be doing. She rang the
Speaker 1: dance school and rang around to Rachel's friends to try
Speaker 1: to put together a bit of a timeline and ask
Speaker 1: anyone if they knew where she was, and she just
Speaker 1: heard more of the same, that she had some secret job.
Speaker 1: She was attending and got on a dip. She found
Speaker 1: out that she got in a different trend than usual,
Speaker 1: but no one knew where she was going. Elizabeth went
Speaker 1: straight to the local police station to report her missing.
Speaker 2: So where is the local police station? So that like
Speaker 2: dance school is in Richmond.
Speaker 1: Dance schools in Richmond, they lived in Bayswarton.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's a yeah, beautiful place. Yeah, and it's about
Speaker 2: I don't know how far it is, but maybe outside.
Speaker 1: Twenty five minutes or so.
Speaker 2: It's not very far, is it. But it's a beautiful
Speaker 2: part of the world. I mean, it's very much a
Speaker 2: orientated place. But Bayswater always Basewater to Richmond is to Richmond. Sorry,
Speaker 2: to Basewater to Richmond is twenty seven kilometers, so yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's not very far, but it takes about forty five minutes.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, forty five minutes.
Speaker 2: But twenty seven kilometers you think with all the traffic
Speaker 2: lights and never again, take about forty five minutes.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Elizabeth went to the local Basewater police station
Speaker 1: to report her missing. She said it's incredibly out of
Speaker 1: character for her not to have come home and told
Speaker 1: her to people. Yeah exactly. Also it was a big
Speaker 1: thing that she was really afraid of the dark, didn't
Speaker 1: like being out on her own, and she was a
Speaker 1: real family girl. She would never want to have made
Speaker 1: them worry.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: She was also quite shy and quiet and introverted, so
Speaker 1: they did know she wouldn't have spoken to strangers, like
Speaker 1: got into a stranger's car or anything.
Speaker 2: Right that that's on on the tram and went yeah.
Speaker 1: Police very much palmed it off as a teenager just
Speaker 1: kind of going, you know, off killing run away, run away,
Speaker 1: like she's gone out somewhere.
Speaker 2: She spent a zone or something that's yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Police told Rachel's mum that ninety seven percent of missing
Speaker 1: teens turn up within the first two days.
Speaker 2: Ninety seven percent. That's so high, really, you're right, Okay.
Speaker 1: They just wouldn't listen to the fact that they were saying,
Speaker 1: she's not like a wayward teen that would she wouldn't
Speaker 1: do this to us. She's not gone out and like,
Speaker 1: you know, smoked a joint somewhere or gone out drinking
Speaker 1: and as being unruly.
Speaker 2: She's just not like that a hole.
Speaker 1: They would not listen to that at all. So Elizabeth
Speaker 1: and Michael themselves went out driving and just driving up
Speaker 1: and down the streets near home, near any of the
Speaker 1: tram stops around Richmond, all around Melbourne. They were asking
Speaker 1: strangers if they had seen her, and no one said
Speaker 1: they had.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 1: The next morning, Rachel still wasn't home. Her parents went
Speaker 1: back to the police to give them photos of Rachel
Speaker 1: to help with their search, only to find that they
Speaker 1: had done nothing since the missing person's report was lodged
Speaker 1: by Elizabeth. They really were just like, this isn't a
Speaker 1: missing nineteen fifteen year old girl come. Her parents once
Speaker 1: again took it into their own hands. They went to
Speaker 1: dance factory and she hadn't turn up there either, which
Speaker 1: again was very out of character she loved. They spoke
Speaker 1: to her friends there, her teachers and her classmates again
Speaker 1: only heard more of the same. They searched her locker,
Speaker 1: but found and learned nothing new. They walked up and
Speaker 1: down the streets of Richmond, speaking to shop owners. Many
Speaker 1: said they recognized her, but they hadn't seen her in
Speaker 1: the last day. The only person who said they had
Speaker 1: seen her the day before was the shopkeeper in the
Speaker 1: shoe shop, who said she had come in with a
Speaker 1: young man who was money the day before. And asked
Speaker 1: to put the blue platform shoes on hold because she
Speaker 1: would be coming back the next day.
Speaker 2: To buy hold. How beautiful. Yeah, but the.
Speaker 1: Shopkeeper made a note that she had not come back
Speaker 1: in that day to buy them. One thing they did
Speaker 1: learn was their worst nightmare. Two of the shopkeepers in Richmond,
Speaker 1: at separate shops told Elizabeth and Michael that the owner
Speaker 1: of an illegal brothel that operated nearby had only recently,
Speaker 1: like in the last couple of weeks, been released from jail,
Speaker 1: and he had been in jail for exploiting underage girls
Speaker 1: into sex.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Now, Rachel's parents knew their daughter, and they were sure
Speaker 1: she wouldn't have fallen into something like this kind of
Speaker 1: you know, not sorry, not falling into but they knew
Speaker 1: she wouldn't have chosen to do something like this.
Speaker 2: So she had a job.
Speaker 1: So when she was saying, you know, there's a job
Speaker 1: I've got to do tonight, they were really confident she
Speaker 1: wouldn't have planned for that, right, But they were absolutely
Speaker 1: terrified that perhaps this is somehow been linked to it.
Speaker 1: Elizabeth went to the brothel and begged to know whether
Speaker 1: Rachel had been there, if anyone recognized her, but they
Speaker 1: swore they didn't. They said, we're not trying to cover
Speaker 1: anything up here. We swear to you we don't recognize her.
Speaker 1: She didn't know whether to believe them or not, so
Speaker 1: she made a call to the and this is what
Speaker 1: it's called the Sex Workers Outreach Program, which worked in
Speaker 1: protecting and focusing on the health and safety of sex
Speaker 1: workers in Melbourne. They took down the details of her
Speaker 1: appearance and description, but said they were confident. They said
Speaker 1: they didn't recognize her, and they were confident that she
Speaker 1: wouldn't have got caught up in that world due to
Speaker 1: her young age. The fact that this guy had been
Speaker 1: arrested and gone to jail for exploiting underage girls kind
Speaker 1: of made them more confident that, like they've learned not
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay.
Speaker 1: The barbers then went to Richmond Police Station because they
Speaker 1: were there, and Richmond Police Station is almost a bit
Speaker 1: of a hub. It's considered an inner city station. So
Speaker 1: they went there to report her missing, as the dance
Speaker 1: factory teachers did as well. But they were told there
Speaker 1: that because she'd already been reported at the local station
Speaker 1: and now I've got here that she was reported missing
Speaker 1: at box Hill station. I said Bayswater Station earlier. I
Speaker 1: don't so box Hill and Bayswater aren't super super close.
Speaker 1: I don't know why. It might have been that boux
Speaker 1: Hill station was the only one that had that was
Speaker 1: manned twenty four hours or something when that when she
Speaker 1: went like after because it was eight pm or something
Speaker 1: where she went to report her missing. I don't know
Speaker 1: why it was boux Hill station, but it was apologized
Speaker 1: what I said earlier. It is definitely boux Hill station
Speaker 1: that she went to. But yeah, the police at Richmond
Speaker 1: said she's already been report missing there. They'll deal with
Speaker 1: it right, And they were kind of saying, but we
Speaker 1: realized this is where she was last seen and they
Speaker 1: were like, oh, they've got it. They'll be fine, they
Speaker 1: can deal with it right. So they were really like,
Speaker 1: really felt like police.
Speaker 2: Weren't looking into it seriously.
Speaker 1: Her parents find around hospitals all around Melbourne to see
Speaker 1: if she had ended up there somehow. They were told
Speaker 1: that the privacy laws meant that they couldn't disclose the
Speaker 1: identity of any patients even yeah, so.
Speaker 2: It makes her more worried.
Speaker 1: That's then they had another idea. They could get their
Speaker 1: telco company to provide them with the details of numbers
Speaker 1: that had called or like a received calls to their
Speaker 1: home phone or calls placed in you know, the days
Speaker 1: later to try and find out more about what this
Speaker 1: job might have been and who calls.
Speaker 2: Of the home phone exactly.
Speaker 1: But guess what the privacy laws meant. They couldn't do that.
Speaker 2: Either, even of that company.
Speaker 1: They could provide the numbers of outgoing calls made right,
Speaker 1: but not incoming.
Speaker 2: Their own house, yes and not.
Speaker 1: They couldn't say the identity of the numbers that were called,
Speaker 1: like so it was like, oh, we've called this you know,
Speaker 1: nine five eight nine, But they couldn't say and that
Speaker 1: is linked to what you give number like that, that's
Speaker 1: not your number. That was the start of my homeo
Speaker 1: growing up.
Speaker 2: But also I don't really understand that because that's your
Speaker 2: personal information, isn't it if you called that person, Why
Speaker 2: can't they give the name of the person that was
Speaker 2: on the end of the line. Is it's just how
Speaker 2: it was in Australia back then.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I suppose that was a someone's name and number linked. Yes,
Speaker 1: against the privacy laws as just people themselves, like you know,
Speaker 1: police would be able to get that kind of but
Speaker 1: just the barber appearance weren't given that. So they checked
Speaker 1: their outgoing calls and from what they could see, they'd
Speaker 1: all been to known people. The barbers and Rachel's friends
Speaker 1: took the missing person's case, took on the missing person's
Speaker 1: case themselves. Essentially, they printed out handfuls of missing persons posters.
Speaker 1: They were going door to door around Richmond, around Melbourne City,
Speaker 1: around anywhere anywhere they could. They was posting them on
Speaker 1: lamp posts all around the city. It wasn't until day
Speaker 1: three of Rachel not being seen the box Hill police
Speaker 1: officers said that they were going to dance Factory to
Speaker 1: interview her classmates and teachers.
Speaker 2: And the last people that had seen her day three.
Speaker 1: YEP, and put together an official timeline to search for her.
Speaker 2: I feel like, even though like ninety seven percent of
Speaker 2: runaways or whatever come back after a certain point two
Speaker 2: days two days, and Yep is found dead within two days,
Speaker 2: usually like that is a statistic. You often hear that
Speaker 2: within forty eight hours or seventy two hours, they're actually
Speaker 2: the most critical moments.
Speaker 1: Doesn't the fact that they didn't go, They didn't say
Speaker 1: until day three, all right, let's go and interview people
Speaker 1: and put a timeline together. Does that not show that
Speaker 1: they weren't treating it as a missing person's case. They
Speaker 1: were treating it as a teenager who hadn't come home. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it was day three that they were like, okay,
Speaker 1: we'll go to dance factory. My god, they didn't go
Speaker 1: to dance factory.
Speaker 2: That day what they said they would, and they didn't go.
Speaker 1: They didn't go. They instead suggested that because they said
Speaker 1: to the barbers, you know, we'll go today, and they said,
Speaker 1: we've already fucking done that.
Speaker 2: Do you mind if I use your cat trains?
Speaker 3: Go on?
Speaker 2: Fuck off?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels good, doesn't good. Police instead suggested Rachel's
Speaker 1: parents compile a list of Rachel's associates and they'd start there.
Speaker 2: Rachel's associates, she's a kid.
Speaker 1: Well, you tell us anyone Rachel speaks to, and we'll
Speaker 1: go and we'll start speaking to them. They also told
Speaker 1: her parents to check under the house in case Rachel
Speaker 1: had come back was too scared to return inside, thinking
Speaker 1: she might be in trouble. What like a runaway cat?
Speaker 2: What are you talking about?
Speaker 1: They knew she would never do this, but still they
Speaker 1: searched under the house, sure of course. Now, Sammy, when
Speaker 1: a female goes missing or a body is found, who
Speaker 1: do we look at? First?
Speaker 2: Boyfriend or partner?
Speaker 1: This is where police's mind went to as well or husband.
Speaker 1: Rachel was her boyfriend. Mannie was sixteen. They were young
Speaker 1: and in love. Their families were really close, but they
Speaker 1: were definitely not allowed sleepover. It was very much like
Speaker 1: a young teenage relationship. They were young.
Speaker 2: She made me a pillow so clean.
Speaker 1: Police brought Manny in for questioning, and they weren't soft
Speaker 1: on him. They put to him the scenario that he
Speaker 1: had got Rachel pregnant, oh my god, and was either
Speaker 1: hiding her somewhere or had done something to her when
Speaker 1: she had given him the news that she was or
Speaker 1: thought she was pregnant. She and Mannie spoke every day
Speaker 1: and all day, so it was unbelievable to police that
Speaker 1: he had just said goodbye after school and not probed
Speaker 1: her on what this mysterious job was and just let
Speaker 1: her go.
Speaker 2: No, she was going to call her when she got home.
Speaker 1: But police were saying, that doesn't check out. Everyone says
Speaker 1: you spend every moment together, and you're saying she said
Speaker 1: she had a job to go to, but didn't tell
Speaker 1: me what or where it was, and you just let
Speaker 1: it go like really, that's how police sixteen years old
Speaker 1: Manny swaw black and blue that this had not happened.
Speaker 1: He had been out searching for her with her family,
Speaker 1: placing posters everywhere. He was distraught, but police weren't so sure.
Speaker 1: They eventually pushed him into admitting that, yes, they had
Speaker 1: had sex, which he had not. Neither of them had
Speaker 1: told anyone, despite starting off by saying that they hadn't.
Speaker 1: And this just put a bigger question mark over the
Speaker 1: sixteen year old to police.
Speaker 2: Because they thought he lied.
Speaker 1: And then, oh my god, listen to Thursday's episode. The
Speaker 1: story hit the news. Of course, they were posters everywhere
Speaker 1: of a missing person, but not just any missing person,
Speaker 1: if you want to look at it this way, and
Speaker 1: as we always say about you know bias, it was
Speaker 1: a missing, young, beautiful, talented teenage girl from a loving family.
Speaker 1: The case hitting the news led to a lot of
Speaker 1: reports about possible sightings. All leads were followed, but inevitably
Speaker 1: proved fruitless. Every single lead that came up, CCTV was
Speaker 1: scoured through areas of potential sightings from all the tip
Speaker 1: offs and everything were visited. There was absolutely nothing that
Speaker 1: confirmed she was or had been anywhere after her last
Speaker 1: confirmed sighting by her friends walking in the opposite direction
Speaker 1: towards a different tram that was the last confirmed sighting
Speaker 1: of her. Police searched Rachel's bedroom and found a handwritten
Speaker 1: note that read station go to money, fifty to eighty
Speaker 1: dollars three special things. When this note was shown to
Speaker 1: her parents, her mum, Elizabeth, remembered that about four months
Speaker 1: prior lead up to Christmas, Rachel had said that she
Speaker 1: wanted to buy three special things for her boyfriend money,
Speaker 1: So the fifty to eighty dollars probably meant the amount
Speaker 1: that she thought she would be able to spend or
Speaker 1: was willing to spend, but police weren't convinced about this.
Speaker 1: They took the note to mean that the fifty to
Speaker 1: eighty dollars was the amount of money she would need
Speaker 1: to be able to run away, and that she wanted
Speaker 1: to take three special things with her, and that the
Speaker 1: quote go to money written down solidified their belief that
Speaker 1: he had helped her run away or hide.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Sure of this theory, police suggested that Elizabeth and Michael
Speaker 1: turn their focus into counseling themselves about the fact that
Speaker 1: Rachel may have chosen chosen to run away and to
Speaker 1: perhaps start focusing on the well being of their other
Speaker 1: two daughters. That's horrific, I will say alleged, because I've
Speaker 1: heard this in numerous reports. I haven't read, you know,
Speaker 1: any court documents that say this, but this is what
Speaker 1: her parents have said was told to them by police.
Speaker 1: My god, Obviously they couldn't and wouldn't do that. They
Speaker 1: knew that Rachel had not run away. They just knew.
Speaker 1: So once again they felt like they were taking the
Speaker 1: search efforts upon themselves. They would man the phone at
Speaker 1: all hours and took note of every single person who
Speaker 1: had called to check in on the search. You know,
Speaker 1: people were calling in and saying, how are you doing?
Speaker 1: What can I do to help her? They were aware
Speaker 1: of the notion that often people who kind of get
Speaker 1: involved in the search, if for someone's disappearance, could be
Speaker 1: you know, like that. You know, they've seen documentaries, they've
Speaker 1: read stories about when someone goes missing and then it
Speaker 1: turns out that someone involved has helped in the search.
Speaker 1: So they're being like hyper kind of anxious and aware
Speaker 1: and going, well, let's kind of take a note of
Speaker 1: everyone who's calling and offering stuff. Now, nobody knows by
Speaker 1: March six, so it was March one that she was
Speaker 1: last seen. By March six, they thought that they may
Speaker 1: have a suspect in mind. Oh, they being Rachel's parents.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, right, a boy in.
Speaker 1: Rachel's widest social circle called the family home to check
Speaker 1: in on the search, and this pricked up Elizabeth's spidey senses.
Speaker 2: Right, okay.
Speaker 1: This boy had previously turned up to their house unannounced
Speaker 1: and uninvited, oh, had given Rachel unwanted gifts, had regularly
Speaker 1: called the home phone and asked to speak to her,
Speaker 1: and Rachel had said no, I don't want to speak
Speaker 1: to him. And he'd even been seen lurking outside her window.
Speaker 2: Oh that's very strange. Was he similar age, like he's
Speaker 2: fifteen years old.
Speaker 1: And actually could there's limited information on.
Speaker 2: This, that's very strange. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Elizabeth took this information straight to the police and was
Speaker 1: told allegedly they were already putting a lot of resources
Speaker 1: and time into Rachel's case. So we can't afford to
Speaker 1: be chasing down any and every lead or spidy sense from.
Speaker 2: A mother Oh fuck off from a mother who knows
Speaker 2: best and knows her daughter. That is crazy, right, isn't
Speaker 2: that fucking all four full?
Speaker 1: Like? Okay, Like Elizabeth, Yeah, we're doing a lot, like
Speaker 1: you know, because you've had a random memory and the
Speaker 1: thought like you need to kind of calm down, leave
Speaker 1: it to us kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Leave it to us. We didn't even check the dance
Speaker 2: school on the day they said they did.
Speaker 1: Which was day three of her going. When she was
Speaker 1: told this, Elizabeth ran crying from the station. She broke
Speaker 1: down in the middle of the street, screaming, they're going
Speaker 1: to let my little girl die.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, this poor mother.
Speaker 1: You just can't you just cannot enough. Fatherm The following day,
Speaker 1: March seven, was Elizabeth's fortieth birthday.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: The family spent it searching again endlessly for their missing daughter.
Speaker 1: The following day, which was a week after Rachel had
Speaker 1: been seen last, something new came out to police. A
Speaker 1: girl named Alison, who was the sister of one of
Speaker 1: Rachel's friends. Okay saw Rachel's face on the news, so
Speaker 1: she hadn't seen anything about that. Rachel's friend had a
Speaker 1: sister named Alison, and the first Allison had seen or
Speaker 1: heard of this missing person's case.
Speaker 2: She knew Rachel hadn't seen.
Speaker 1: Yes, she saw it on the news and called police.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: And you have to remember as well, this was well
Speaker 1: before the days of you know, social media or anything,
Speaker 1: so you would you would only say this if you
Speaker 1: looked at a newspaper or the news. And as she
Speaker 1: as a teenage girl, she had she called police. She said,
Speaker 1: I know that I saw Rachel on March one, at
Speaker 1: about six forty pm six on a tram headed to Paran,
Speaker 1: which is another suburb in Melbourne. Very not New Pacewater, No,
Speaker 1: like in the it's not far from Richmond. No, it's
Speaker 1: not to drive, but even on a tram, yeah, probably
Speaker 1: ten minutes sure, yeah, but in the very much not
Speaker 1: in the direction of her home, she said. Allison said
Speaker 1: that Rachel was with another female that she described as
Speaker 1: slightly older and very plain looking. Okay, six forty pm
Speaker 1: was an hour after Rachel's friends had seen her walk
Speaker 1: towards a different tram stop, so checked out that. Alison
Speaker 1: said that the Rachel and this other female seemed comfortable
Speaker 1: in each other's company, so it didn't appear to be
Speaker 1: a stranger.
Speaker 2: Okay, So like alarm bells, weren't raised for her. She
Speaker 2: saw that as an normal situation. She was like, Oh,
Speaker 2: that's my sister's from Rachel and she's with another friend.
Speaker 1: Alison remembered that they got off the tram together in Paran,
Speaker 1: which is why she remembered that that's where the that
Speaker 1: they got there. Police took this lead seriously. Finally they
Speaker 1: compiled a sketch of this old girl based on Allison's description.
Speaker 1: Michael and Elizabeth Barber, Rachel's parents were shattered when they
Speaker 1: saw the sketch because it didn't immediately spark any recognition. No, okay,
Speaker 1: they both said there was kind of some familiarity in
Speaker 1: it maybe, but not like a oh it looks a
Speaker 1: bit like this person.
Speaker 2: It was just a bit like.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, which they were really disheartened.
Speaker 2: They're finally got a sketch. They're going, Okay, this might
Speaker 2: be a lead, but you don't recognize that sketch that
Speaker 2: week you go anywhere from there. Yeah.
Speaker 1: At the same time, the TV show Australia's Most Wanted.
Speaker 2: Oh Wow, Yeah, that's show yeah.
Speaker 1: Asked the Barbers if they could feature Rachel's case on
Speaker 1: their show.
Speaker 2: That's kind of like a dateline in America. Oh yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Crime Watch is the other one that you think about,
Speaker 2: yeah yeah, which is, yeah, a show that doesn't exist
Speaker 2: anymore here in Australia.
Speaker 1: But the Barber's obliged willingly anything that could possibly help.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it was only then that the Victoria Police Missing
Speaker 1: Persons Unit formally took over the investigation. So for a
Speaker 1: week it had just been the box cell station. March
Speaker 1: ten was Elizabeth and Michael's twentieth wedding anniversary.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: They spent that day they.
Speaker 2: Got mad when they're like twenty Yeah, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: They spent that day fielding calls with tip offs, doing
Speaker 1: a press conference to plead for their daughter's safe return,
Speaker 1: and again searching the streets.
Speaker 2: Oh your heart just breaks for them, my god.
Speaker 1: And it doesn't matter what day it is, but I've
Speaker 1: just noted on the script that Elizabeth's fortieth birthday, their
Speaker 1: twentieth anniversary, Like, you know, they should.
Speaker 2: Go to these old state events going I'm heartbroken. I
Speaker 2: don't want to do anything.
Speaker 1: For yours and they should be moments in time that
Speaker 1: you remembered for being.
Speaker 2: Happy, beautiful kids.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Police dressed up a mannequin as Rachel had been dressed
Speaker 1: that day and put it at the street corner that
Speaker 1: Alison had seen Rachel and this girl get off the
Speaker 1: train right in the hopes that seeing someone dressed like
Speaker 1: that might kind of jog someone's memory.
Speaker 2: What do you mean they put it in the report?
Speaker 1: They yes, I think it must have been so her
Speaker 1: parents did the press conference that day and they placed
Speaker 1: it like four. Yeah, they were putting it in the
Speaker 1: news that day, so the news stories could have like
Speaker 1: this is what she was wearing on this street corner
Speaker 1: that day in the news stories on the news that
Speaker 1: night for the newspapers. The missing Person's unit took the
Speaker 1: list that the Barbers had compiled of all the people
Speaker 1: who had called the home in the days leading up
Speaker 1: to and since Rachel's disappearance. Only one of these numbers
Speaker 1: could have been, you know, described as a slightly older
Speaker 1: female who was a person called Caroline Read Robertson. She
Speaker 1: had called the Barber's home in March seven to ask
Speaker 1: after the family, upon hearing of Rachel's disappearance, ask how
Speaker 1: they were doing and if she could do anything to
Speaker 1: help the Robertson's. So this Caroline's family and the Barbers
Speaker 1: had been neighbors in the Barber's previous home. Oh, both
Speaker 1: families had three daughters, but the Robertsons were slightly older.
Speaker 1: So Caroline, the eldest of that family, was often tasked
Speaker 1: with babysitting kind of all five, you know, her two
Speaker 1: sisters and the three barber girls, or even just the
Speaker 1: Barber girls themselves. She was five years older than Rachel,
Speaker 1: so was kind of a good age buffer to be
Speaker 1: able to kind of, you know, say, sit with them
Speaker 1: for just an hour or two while the parents went
Speaker 1: out for dinner or something like that. And Caroline and
Speaker 1: Rachel got along, well, they weren't friends per se. Then
Speaker 1: you have five years difference between them, which you know
Speaker 1: as a kind of a child and a young teen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Caroline really in particular had a real fondness towards Rachel.
Speaker 1: She even once photographed her for a school project in
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven because remember she had Rachel had been
Speaker 1: the subject of her grandma's photography session. So yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: Caroline at school was doing photography and was like, oh,
Speaker 1: can I photograph you? You know, as your grandma had Doe.
Speaker 1: She kind of saw that as you know, a obblo
Speaker 1: professional photographer's done that I could do that as well. Sure, okay,
Speaker 1: Caroline wasn't. I had not done dancing. She wasn't wouldn't
Speaker 1: be described as particularly pretty as Rachel has had always been,
Speaker 1: and she really seemed quite taken by the young beauty
Speaker 1: of her family friend. Essentially, Caroline and Rachel were family friends.
Speaker 2: A photographer like she was quite.
Speaker 1: Police looked into Caroline just to cross her off the
Speaker 1: list because she was the only kind of slightly older
Speaker 1: female when they discovered something. Now nineteen Caroline lived in Paran.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, not even two hundred meters from the tram
Speaker 1: stop Rachel had been seen disembarking with a slightly older female.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Police asked the barbers about Caroline, which sparked Elizabeth to
Speaker 1: remember that in late nineteen ninety eight, so say three months,
Speaker 1: you know, three or four months, not long, pryer.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The babysitter had called Rachel to say that she knew
Speaker 1: someone who was looking for models and asking if Rachel
Speaker 1: was interested in any modeling work, knowing she'd done that
Speaker 1: two week modeling course. Okay, Rachel was really excited by
Speaker 1: the prospect and asked her mum, but her mum said
Speaker 1: she was too young to do it and they weren't
Speaker 1: comfortable with her doing any modeling at her age, and
Speaker 1: they never spoke of it again. Police were able to
Speaker 1: bypass the privacy laws that we spoke about before about checking,
Speaker 1: you know, the numbers and stuff the call logs to
Speaker 1: their home phone. They found that Caroline had called the
Speaker 1: barber home twice before the call of March seven, So
Speaker 1: March seven was when she checked in barbers. The same
Speaker 1: number had actually called twice before. Both had been on
Speaker 1: February twenty eight, the day before the night before. The
Speaker 1: first call was made at five twenty four pm and
Speaker 1: went for fifteen last of fifteen minutes. The second call
Speaker 1: was at five forty five pm and that call went
Speaker 1: for twenty nine minutes. Elizabeth remembered Rachel answering the phone
Speaker 1: twice that night and remembered that she was chatting happily
Speaker 1: and was animated, and she assumed that it had been
Speaker 1: money on the floor.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Finding out these calls had actually been from Caroline comforted
Speaker 1: the barbers. While they didn't know why she would or
Speaker 1: could possibly be with her, they knew Caroline and they
Speaker 1: knew her family, so it was like, if that's the
Speaker 1: person she was on the tram with, sure, more than
Speaker 1: likely she'll be saved.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Police went to Caroline's workplace to talk to her about
Speaker 1: what she knew, but she wasn't there. Coworkers said she
Speaker 1: had called in sick a few for a few times
Speaker 1: over the past week and a half, which had been
Speaker 1: out of character for her. She had first caught in
Speaker 1: sick on March one, but came to work the next day,
Speaker 1: but she left after only a couple of hours or
Speaker 1: March too, okay. Police went to Caroline's apartment when she
Speaker 1: wasn't work, the one in Paran, hoping they would find
Speaker 1: Rachel there. They didn't know why, but that didn't matter yet.
Speaker 1: No one answered the door when they knocked, so they
Speaker 1: broke their way in, and there they found Caroline laying
Speaker 1: face down on the floor, seemingly having some kind of
Speaker 1: medical episode I guess seizure or refimed.
Speaker 2: My god.
Speaker 1: She was rushed to the hospital and police went with her.
Speaker 1: When she came to police were there waiting to talk
Speaker 1: to her. They asked if she had any knowledge of
Speaker 1: where the fifteen year old girl she used to Babysit
Speaker 1: might be Caroline said it was an accident. I killed her.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to give you a bit of background
Speaker 1: about Caroline Read Robertson. Caroline Read Robinson was a deeply
Speaker 1: unhappy girl. She hated herself and she hated her life.
Speaker 1: She had always been an ostracized girl very much, described
Speaker 1: always as being nondescript. She wasn't fashionable, she didn't have
Speaker 1: many friends, she wasn't in the cool group at school.
Speaker 1: She was slightly overweight, and she was very unhappy. Her
Speaker 1: early life had been quite dysfunctional with her family. The
Speaker 1: lots of family fights, and she copped a lot of
Speaker 1: criticism from within her family. Her parents divorced when she
Speaker 1: was sixteen, and this led to the relationship with her
Speaker 1: mum deteriorating. She had such a bleak view of herself
Speaker 1: that she once painted did a self portrait for a
Speaker 1: school project and the self poor trip was just completely black.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: She'd write letters to her dad and notes to herself
Speaker 1: in her diary that would say things like I get
Speaker 1: teased badly at school, I get really really embarrassed, I
Speaker 1: really really need help. These are quotes. One of the
Speaker 1: letters read, I feel like a troubled, tortured, lost soul
Speaker 1: that's been thrown into an alien environment full of angels.
Speaker 1: I don't know how I have survived for this long
Speaker 1: life for me sucks. The explosion is just going to
Speaker 1: get bigger and bigger until there is nothing left inside me.
Speaker 1: All of the feelings and horrible things everybody says about
Speaker 1: me bottle up, and I have nowhere to explode everything.
Speaker 1: She kept a diary, numerous diaries, and in a number
Speaker 1: of entries, she would describe herself as quote pizza face,
Speaker 1: which was very I don't know if it's a nineties
Speaker 1: thing or if I just think that's something that as teenagers,
Speaker 1: yes say that with quote brown, oily hair and no coordination.
Speaker 1: She referred to herself as obese and ugly with a
Speaker 1: massive nose. She'd write over and over that she hated herself,
Speaker 1: she would never have friends, and that no one would
Speaker 1: ever love her. Her young neighbor and family friend, Rachel Barber,
Speaker 1: was everything that Caroline was not, popular, pretty, slim, talented,
Speaker 1: and had a gorgeous equally popular boyfriend who adored her.
Speaker 1: Caroline became enamored with Rachel. She would tell colleagues she
Speaker 1: didn't have friends, but she would tell colleague colleagues that
Speaker 1: she had friends in Melbourne's theater scene. Colleagues noted this
Speaker 1: seemed at odds with who they saw Caroline to be.
Speaker 1: They were like, right, What started as adoration turned into
Speaker 1: obsession and eventually to a deep seated resentment. Caroline wanted
Speaker 1: Rachel's life, so she was going to take it. On
Speaker 1: February twenty eight, nineteen ninety nine, Caroline called Rachel at
Speaker 1: home and said she had a paid psychology job for her.
Speaker 1: The following night, she had tried to remember I said. Previously,
Speaker 1: she'd said something about a modeling job, and she said,
Speaker 1: I'm not allowed.
Speaker 3: To do that.
Speaker 1: She said, there's a psychology job I can get for you.
Speaker 1: It's a study that would pay one hundred dollars cash,
Speaker 1: but you're not allowed to tell anyone about it because
Speaker 1: that could influence the study. Right if people knew about
Speaker 1: it and started telling you things, that could influence it.
Speaker 1: So you're not allowed to tell anyone about it before
Speaker 1: it happens. She told Rachel that she would meet her
Speaker 1: at the tram stop near Dance Factory after school that
Speaker 1: day and they would go to Caroline's apartment for dinner
Speaker 1: and then she would take her to do this study.
Speaker 1: And it was there at Caroline's apartment that she enacted
Speaker 1: the plan to kill the girl who had everything the
Speaker 1: nineteen year old did not herself have.
Speaker 2: So she said it was an accident, but that was
Speaker 2: a lie. She had planned this as a premeditator.
Speaker 1: What happened inside the apartment on the night of March
Speaker 1: one isn't exactly known because Caroline didn't ever explain clearly
Speaker 1: exactly what happened. What is believed to have happened is this.
Speaker 1: Once inside the apartment, they ordered pizza and chatted until
Speaker 1: it arrived. When it did, Caroline drugged Rachel with a
Speaker 1: drowsy powder and that's a quote which I'll Telly White's
Speaker 1: a quote later on the pizza slices. When she was drowsy,
Speaker 1: Caroline took Rachel to her bathtub and placed her in it. There,
Speaker 1: Caroline took a telephone cord and wrapped it around Rachel's neck, strangling.
Speaker 1: Caroline's next door neighbor, who shared a wall with the
Speaker 1: bathroom in this apartment block, would later tell police that
Speaker 1: he did wake at two am to the sound of
Speaker 1: sobbing through the wall.
Speaker 2: Oh my God.
Speaker 1: In the morning, Caroline stuffed Rachel's body in her wardrobe.
Speaker 1: The cord was still wrapped around her neck, and Caroline went.
Speaker 2: To work went to work with a body in her closet.
Speaker 1: After a couple of hours, she ended up going home.
Speaker 1: She was on her colleagues could say she could see
Speaker 1: she was unwell, and she said she wasn't feeling well,
Speaker 1: so she went home and her dad actually went to
Speaker 1: check on her when he heard that she was unwell.
Speaker 1: So this is March two. Her dad came in and
Speaker 1: sat with her in the laundroom, but later noted that
Speaker 1: she had kept her bedroom door closed the whole time.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Throughout that day on March Too, Caroline made several phone
Speaker 1: calls to a colleague asking they pay her the three
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty dollars that she had previously loaned them,
Speaker 1: saying she needed it now because she needed to move
Speaker 1: some furniture to her dad's holiday home, which was out
Speaker 1: in Kilmore, which is about eighty kilometers about a bit
Speaker 1: more than a one hour drive from her home in Paran.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: She also on that day March Too, booked a removalist
Speaker 1: for the following day. The following day, March three, she
Speaker 1: took the day off sick again from work, to be
Speaker 1: at home for the removalist. She told this person that
Speaker 1: she was moving a statue, which was wrapped in two
Speaker 1: blankets and placed inside an army back. She followed the
Speaker 1: removes to her dad's holiday home in Kilmore, where the
Speaker 1: removalus dropped off the army bag, took the payment and
Speaker 1: went on his way.
Speaker 2: This removal us, it had no idea.
Speaker 1: What was Oh my god, no idea. There in Kilmore,
Speaker 1: Caroline buried Rachel's body in a shallow grave on the
Speaker 1: same part of the rural property where their late family
Speaker 1: dog was buried. Rachel was buried under a small wooden
Speaker 1: cross bearing the name Lucy in the pet cemetery at
Speaker 1: their hot Oh Cool. The following day, March four, Caroline
Speaker 1: returned to work, where she discussed with colleagues the news
Speaker 1: that they'd all seen about a young dancer who had disappeared.
Speaker 1: She told colleagues that she used to be her neighbor
Speaker 1: and remarked that she had been known to run away
Speaker 1: from home.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, planning that seed that there was possibility,
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: A few days after this, Caroline went into her bank
Speaker 1: and applied for a ten thousand dollars loan, telling the
Speaker 1: bank staff that it was for a car and that
Speaker 1: she needed it really urgently. She called in sick to
Speaker 1: work again on March eleven and twelve, and sometime then
Speaker 1: she used a packet of supermarket hair dye to dye
Speaker 1: her own hair dark brown, the same color as Rachel's.
Speaker 1: And then, as we know, on March twelve, police finally
Speaker 1: found their way to Caroline's home. A search of her
Speaker 1: apartment found a diary, and this is where they found
Speaker 1: pages and pages of notes of self loathing.
Speaker 2: Oh god.
Speaker 1: They also found handwritten notes confirming her plans for what
Speaker 1: she was going to do to Rachel.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: This is where she had written about herself as oh sorry.
Speaker 1: She'd written about the drowsy powder. She had actually written
Speaker 1: about lacing pizza with quote drowsy powder. One entry red
Speaker 1: quote on the way to dance school. Say that she
Speaker 1: can't tell anyone that she's meeting me as I'm not
Speaker 1: allowed to give the study results to anyone. Dash ethics
Speaker 1: dash highly confidential, not even your boyfriend or parents. Drug
Speaker 1: Rachel quote sorry, parentheses toxic over mouth, put body into
Speaker 1: army bags and disfigure and dump somewhere way out no
Speaker 1: car end quote. Another entry read quote check farm including bags, Tuesday,
Speaker 1: arrange bank, loan, moving van, night to disguise, hair, thoroughly
Speaker 1: clean house, steam clean carpet. Police also found papers and
Speaker 1: documents containing Rachel's name and personal details it's kind of
Speaker 1: thrown about strewn about her apartment. They also found notes
Speaker 1: and plans about Caroline changing her name, notes about undergoing
Speaker 1: plastic surgery and moving into state. There was also a
Speaker 1: suitcase full of women's size eight clothing which was not
Speaker 1: Caroline size, but it was Rachel's. Police were dumbfounded by
Speaker 1: the notes and plans they found. They found documentation of
Speaker 1: Rachel's family tree, details from her birth certificate, and written
Speaker 1: records of conversations she had had that Caroline had had
Speaker 1: with the young teen Rachel so obsessed with her. Police
Speaker 1: found paperwork showing that she had set up a po
Speaker 1: box like a postal box, so that she could receive
Speaker 1: mail not to her own home that couldn't be kind
Speaker 1: of traced who it was going to. And they found
Speaker 1: an undated birth certificate application that had been completed in
Speaker 1: the name of Rachel.
Speaker 2: Bar So she was going to change her own name.
Speaker 1: Is that that's the insinuation. Diary entries in Caroline's own diary,
Speaker 1: in her handwriting, said that she intended to change her
Speaker 1: name to Jem Southall, Southall being Elizabeth's maiden name, Elizabeth
Speaker 1: Rachel's mum.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: So the kind of the insinuation or the what police
Speaker 1: came up with is that Caroline was going to plant
Speaker 1: to assume Rachel's identity. So she was going to go
Speaker 1: by this name, Jem Southall, but she was dyeing her
Speaker 1: hair to look like Rachel. She wanted all you know,
Speaker 1: this birth certificate to have the same date time she
Speaker 1: was born, place she was born. She wanted to become Rachel.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: When police got around to formally interviewing Caroline, her answers
Speaker 1: were really frank and direct. She would just say, she's dead.
Speaker 1: I buried her. It's too late. She confessed to keeping
Speaker 1: Rachel's body in her apartment for two days before getting
Speaker 1: the removalists to take her to her dad's property in Kilmore,
Speaker 1: where she pretended it was a statue wrapped up in blankets.
Speaker 2: Oh god, but.
Speaker 1: That's where Caroline read Robertson's confession began and ended. She
Speaker 1: refused to give any further details about how she had
Speaker 1: killed her, why, or if or how long she had
Speaker 1: been planning to do so. Caroline Read Robertson, nineteen years old,
Speaker 1: was charged with the premeditated murder of fifteen year old
Speaker 1: Rachel Barber. Rachel's auntie spoke to the media because her
Speaker 1: parents were unable to do so. She said, Elizabeth and
Speaker 1: quote this is what the auntie said. Elizabeth and Michael
Speaker 1: are endeavored, endeavoring to bear the unbearable. They are being
Speaker 1: supported by loving family and friends. We have all been
Speaker 1: devastated by the death of their beloved daughter, Rachel. Rachel's
Speaker 1: burning light has been dimmed, but will burn bright in
Speaker 1: our hearts forever. She will always be young, beautiful, happy,
Speaker 1: smiling and dancing in our hearts.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Caroline Read Robertson's first court appearance was on March fifteen.
Speaker 1: She rocked back and forth in the dock as her
Speaker 1: lawyer told the court. All his client remembered from the
Speaker 1: evening of March one was inviting Rachel back to her
Speaker 1: flat and the two ordering pizza. That's all she said.
Speaker 1: She remembered. Rachel Barber was farewelled at a devastating funeral
Speaker 1: on March twenty four, with eight hundred and fifty mourners
Speaker 1: in attendance.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's so sad. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Money helped carry the casket. Do you need him in that?
Speaker 2: Oh so? Or maybe.
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Fuck, you're right for me to can do. Caroline wasn't
Speaker 1: in court again until early two thousand, where she entered
Speaker 1: her plea and she pleaded not guilty. Her trial was
Speaker 1: set for later that year in two thousand, but by
Speaker 1: the time the trial day came around, she had changed
Speaker 1: her plea to guilty. She maintained she didn't remember the
Speaker 1: details of what happened, but conceded she was responsible. The
Speaker 1: prosecutor offered their explanation of the murder, stating that Caroline
Speaker 1: was motivated by her jealousy of Rachel's attractiveness, her popularity,
Speaker 1: and her success, and perhaps a desire to emulate the
Speaker 1: success of a younger person with whom she had become infatuated.
Speaker 1: In late November two thousand, The sentencing judge took into
Speaker 1: consideration Caroline's deep self loathing, her long history of low
Speaker 1: self esteem, and her mental health issues, but the judge
Speaker 1: also detailed her calculated plans in alluring Rachel to her death.
Speaker 1: He said that Reid Robertson quote demonstrated the operation of
Speaker 1: a devious mind and manipulative abilities. He said, quote, At
Speaker 1: one level, it is possible to feel a considerable measure
Speaker 1: of sympathy and sadness for you, But the incontrovertible and
Speaker 1: irrevocable fact is that you have killed, and in doing so,
Speaker 1: have created more than one victim. You appear to have
Speaker 1: been totally self absorbed, concerned only with your own life, situation, feelings,
Speaker 1: and desires end quote. The Sendenney judge express grave concerns
Speaker 1: about Caroline Read Robertson's prospect for rebilitate rehabilitation, stating that
Speaker 1: her remorse seemed to have been driven only out of
Speaker 1: self pity, rather than having any real degree of insight
Speaker 1: into the real significance of what she'd actually done. He
Speaker 1: sentenced Caroline Read Robertson to twenty years jail with a
Speaker 1: mini years with a minimum non parole period of fourteen
Speaker 1: and a half years.
Speaker 2: Fatly nineteen that was.
Speaker 1: In two thousand, Sammy, what year are we in Rachel's
Speaker 1: family campaigned to keep their daughter's murderer behind bars for
Speaker 1: their own safety as well as the safety of the community.
Speaker 1: She had wanted to take on Rachel's identity. They were
Speaker 1: fearing for themselves as well. Fellow inmates of Caroline's said
Speaker 1: that she never expressed any remorse and she continued to
Speaker 1: compulsively lie. She told fellow inmates that she had a
Speaker 1: boyfriend waiting for her on the outside, a boy named Manny.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: But unbelievably, when her fourteen and a half years of
Speaker 1: her minimum non parole period came up, Caroline was granted parole.
Speaker 1: She was released from prison in January twenty fifteen to
Speaker 1: be on act under strict parole conditions until twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Since then, she has been a completely free woman.
Speaker 2: My God.
Speaker 1: When she was released, Elizabeth Barber, Rachel's mum, said in
Speaker 1: a media interview, she won't be any less on my mind,
Speaker 1: and she won't be any more. I don't think she
Speaker 1: is dangerous to us, but I don't want her to
Speaker 1: be dangerous to anybody. She said that Caroline should be
Speaker 1: thankful that she lives in a nation where she could
Speaker 1: resume her life outside of prison and Elizabeth asked the
Speaker 1: public not to harass her.
Speaker 2: That's so strong for Elizabeth.
Speaker 1: Isn't it? As long as the Barbers never heard from her,
Speaker 1: which they stoically do not want. They hope that Caroline
Speaker 1: gives back to the community and finally feel some sense
Speaker 1: of remorse from what she's taken away, not just from
Speaker 1: their family, but from the world. Three years after her
Speaker 1: daughter's murder, Elizabeth Barber co wrote a book about the
Speaker 1: crime with investigative journalist Megan Norris, and it was titled
Speaker 1: Perfect Victim. Years later, an Australian filmmaker adapted the story
Speaker 1: for a film, which ended up being titled In Her Skin.
Speaker 1: The director of that film had full support from the
Speaker 1: Barber family during the movie production. They saw it as
Speaker 1: a way for Rachel to make her mark, and it
Speaker 1: highlighted the inaction of police. After Rachel was first reported missing.
Speaker 1: Michael and Elizabeth Barber met with and have continued to
Speaker 1: meet with senior government officials to propose and push for
Speaker 1: a liaison officer to be attached to the Missing Person's Unit,
Speaker 1: whose function would be to offer support to the distressed
Speaker 1: families of missing people. The Barbers did express their gratitude
Speaker 1: to the detectives of the Missing Persons unit. They found
Speaker 1: them to be considerate and sensitive of what they were
Speaker 1: going through, but they were very critical of the dismissive
Speaker 1: and unkind response of the local police officers, who subsequently
Speaker 1: years later offered the Barbers a formal apology for their
Speaker 1: inaction during the initial stages of Rachel's disappearance. As a
Speaker 1: direct result of Rachel Barber's case, Victoria Police the manual
Speaker 1: for the force now contains a clause focusing on the
Speaker 1: need for police officers involved in missing persons investigations at
Speaker 1: a local level to be sensitive to the needs of
Speaker 1: the families and to keep them informed and updated on
Speaker 1: all aspects of their investigations. Manny remains very close friends
Speaker 1: with the Barber family and it's been to the weddings
Speaker 1: of both Heather and Ashley, Rachel's sisters. It's been twenty
Speaker 1: seven years and Manny still calls Rack to the love
Speaker 1: of his life and still has the purple heart question.
Speaker 2: Wow, it's a heartbreaking.
Speaker 6: Oh my Gord, you were so young, fourteen years old. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I just sided and trusted like her babysitter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh my god. So I've met Mannie and I
Speaker 1: will talk about this more at the top of Thursday episode.
Speaker 1: But when I asked Manny to not to if he
Speaker 1: would tell me his story, his side of the story,
Speaker 1: for my other podcast, he immediately said yes, said, no
Speaker 1: one has ever asked me to tell my story.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, I know, like, oh my god, she
Speaker 5: just wanted to buy those shoes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, little darling, that's so sad, fucking owl.
Speaker 5: And the poor the sisters of her and them you
Speaker 5: don't have her, poor parents. And also like Caroline's parents, like,
Speaker 5: I can't imagine what they would feel at being like
Speaker 5: our daughter did this.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And that's often something we don't we don't
Speaker 1: think and really talk about. But that's such a huge
Speaker 1: thing as well. Imagine what you know for that family too,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, And things that would have gone through you know,
Speaker 1: the the Robertson's family's minds and the Barber's family minds.
Speaker 1: Don't if they just never bought that house. Imagine if
Speaker 1: they didn't live there, if she never came into her past.
Speaker 2: The butterfly effect of just little things, one thing.
Speaker 1: Affects the other, Like Manny's whole thing is that when
Speaker 1: he sees a butterfly, I love we'll come back later
Speaker 1: right now. When we said we might need to take
Speaker 1: a little break, correct, that little break ended up being
Speaker 1: overnight because it's okay.
Speaker 2: Also, podcast people don't know how long a break is.
Speaker 2: Maybe it was a year, it might have.
Speaker 1: Been a year. But the reason I have outed us
Speaker 1: on that is because we have received some news from
Speaker 1: a friend of ours in said break. And if the
Speaker 1: listener thought we just went to you know, have a
Speaker 1: cry of a beautiful Rachel and then came straight back,
Speaker 1: they might be like, how did you just find out
Speaker 1: all of that?
Speaker 2: I know, I know, well we were. I mean, in
Speaker 2: all honesty, I did cry a lot after we recorded
Speaker 2: that episode, and then last night when we recorded, I
Speaker 2: didn't really do anything. I was very sad. I don't know,
Speaker 2: like that that really affected me. And I kind of
Speaker 2: feel like in a way, it is kind of because
Speaker 2: above you when we're recording, there is a beautiful which
Speaker 2: I have in my home, which is a child's portrait
Speaker 2: of you, which is which is just a thing that
Speaker 2: you gave me once as a joke.
Speaker 1: Yeah, uncle moved house and came around to my house
Speaker 1: with a framed photo of me from when I was
Speaker 1: like three or four. Years old and said, I've had
Speaker 1: this in my house for many years and I kind
Speaker 1: of don't really need it anymore, and go back to me,
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I don't need it, and I was
Speaker 1: coming around to your house to record a podcast, and
Speaker 1: so I brought it with me just to kind of
Speaker 1: make you feel uncomfortable by very seriously saying I thought
Speaker 1: you might want this photo of me when I was three,
Speaker 1: to hang up forgetting that you are as sarcastic, if
Speaker 1: not more so than I am.
Speaker 2: So chastick and just you pronounced that word.
Speaker 1: And you hung it on your wall and have moved
Speaker 1: it to your new house and I've hung it.
Speaker 2: Back on you here.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And so I think when we're recording that episode about
Speaker 2: Rachel Barber, I looked over there and I kind of
Speaker 2: saw the really young photo of you and was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, this is a girl similar age, Like
Speaker 2: it was just like such a you know, it broke me.
Speaker 2: It broke me, like I was just like I think.
Speaker 1: France as well, being in Melbourne and up here as well,
Speaker 1: you know, the streets and suburbs and we're talking about
Speaker 1: it does make it really hit closer to home and
Speaker 1: feel very real as well. So yeah, it's just I mean,
Speaker 1: we cover so many devastating stories on this but not
Speaker 1: no butt, this is a really really just truly devastating,
Speaker 1: completely senseless.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I think the description of her like saving up
Speaker 2: for shoes and just being so excited about that and
Speaker 2: try I think, yeah, that that is the thing. It's trusting,
Speaker 2: trusting the person that you think is going to help
Speaker 2: you to save up that money, and at that stage
Speaker 2: of your life, one hundred dollars is so much money,
Speaker 2: so for you to be able to save up that
Speaker 2: money and put them aside, and so I'm going to
Speaker 2: come back for those tomorrow. It is just such a
Speaker 2: devastating thing and it just broke me yesterday. I'd like
Speaker 2: to hear that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: One bit that really really gets me in that story
Speaker 1: is the neighbor, Caroline's neighbor saying that he heard sobbing
Speaker 1: through the wall two am. That just that breaks me
Speaker 1: because I just I don't want to when there isn't
Speaker 1: a need to really think about what Rachel went through,
Speaker 1: but just knowing that detail that you know it might
Speaker 1: have been Caroline. So that's just so it's just it's
Speaker 1: just heartbreaking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is. And I looked up the trailer
Speaker 2: of the film as well, and I'm with Miranda Otto
Speaker 2: and yeah, I am interested to watch that. Sam Nils
Speaker 2: in it as pas, I am interested to watch that
Speaker 2: as well, So we'll really have to. And also, Lewis,
Speaker 2: I was speaking directly to you right now for your
Speaker 2: lovely spreadsheet. Beautiful person Lewis who we met recently, which
Speaker 2: we'll go into later, I mean on another episode. I'm
Speaker 2: not later that much, I know, but but beautiful Lewis
Speaker 2: who made that spreadsheet for his partner Sarah, who said,
Speaker 2: oh god, I wish there was just kind of a
Speaker 2: an avenue for me to go to look at all
Speaker 2: these different things that they talk about in the podcast
Speaker 2: that is now available on the Instagram. There's a spreadsheet
Speaker 2: of this. I'm just saying to you, Lewis, there is
Speaker 2: a wonderful film. I don't know it's wonderful, but in
Speaker 2: her skin, and I imagine it's such a dark and
Speaker 2: hard film to watch. From the trailer, I got that
Speaker 2: it is a very hard film to watch, but I
Speaker 2: do need to watch it just to kind of and
Speaker 2: I was not in the right mind frame to watch
Speaker 2: that last night. Also, can I just say, and this
Speaker 2: is you know this, I probably don't need to say
Speaker 2: speak about this on the podcast, let me just say it, right. So,
Speaker 2: I was in a bit of an emotional turmoil. I
Speaker 2: was in emotional turmoil yesterday because my brother, who Michael,
Speaker 2: who I spoke about so in my comedy special, I
Speaker 2: spoke about Thank you so Much on the comedy of
Speaker 2: public YouTube channel. I spoke about him quite openly in
Speaker 2: my comedy special, and yesterday he actually messaged me so
Speaker 2: so I reckon when it first came out, he messaged
Speaker 2: me and he said, I just watched it and my
Speaker 2: heart froze because I was going to talk about him
Speaker 2: a little bit in it. And and and I guess
Speaker 2: for people who don't know, my brother was and is
Speaker 2: an addict, he was quite violent and quite kind of
Speaker 2: I guess, you know, my my life at home when
Speaker 2: I was growing up was quite tumultius. There was a
Speaker 2: lot going on in my home. He was a violent person.
Speaker 2: There was a lot of I mean, you know, we
Speaker 2: had quite a few restraining orders on my brother and
Speaker 2: I remember at one point there was a four hundred
Speaker 2: meter restraining order and he measured the length of four
Speaker 2: hundred meters and he sat at the end of the
Speaker 2: four hundred meter like down the road four hundred meters like,
Speaker 2: you know, quite a violent, quite an awful, quite an
Speaker 2: awful experience to have growing up right, lots of restraining
Speaker 2: orders on him. And he messaged me when the when
Speaker 2: it first came out my special, and he said, oh
Speaker 2: my god, you know this is beautiful. I think you
Speaker 2: did this so well. I think you know, you summed
Speaker 2: me up perfectly. And then yesterday when we recorded this episode,
Speaker 2: I've got a message. A few weeks later, I've got
Speaker 2: a message and say, hey, you dog, I think you
Speaker 2: know what you've done to mom and dad and me
Speaker 2: and how you've represented us in the special is disgusting
Speaker 2: and over exaggerating and everything. And I was like, you know,
Speaker 2: it was quite a hard message to get during the day.
Speaker 2: And then also then we recorded this episode about Rachel Barber,
Speaker 2: and I was just, you know, like, and I think
Speaker 2: that's you know, to tune in. Fine, I guess kind
Speaker 2: of tune in and hone into why I was feeling
Speaker 2: like that when recorded this episode yesterday.
Speaker 1: You don't need to justify, no, I know, but I felt.
Speaker 2: So vulnerable And then you were recorded that episode, and
Speaker 2: I know Rachel really spoke to me and Manny, and
Speaker 2: I think I thought so much about childhood and when
Speaker 2: you're growing up and so it was such and then
Speaker 2: looking at the photo of you and everything, it's such
Speaker 2: like a Yeah, I don't know, there's something about this
Speaker 2: story that will always be with me. Yeah, And and Manny,
Speaker 2: I just can't even like. And I think this Thursday,
Speaker 2: there'll be an episode with Many where you talk to Many,
Speaker 2: And I've listened to the episode before, but it is
Speaker 2: such a heartbreaking you full telling of his story, which
Speaker 2: I think is so important, and it is just like
Speaker 2: another layer to this story that I think maybe you
Speaker 2: won't see coming. But I just think it is so
Speaker 2: fascinating to hear his side of the story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not a so you guys, I mean, if
Speaker 1: you hear, I assume you've listened to the episode, so
Speaker 1: that the story itself about Rachel's death, it's not a
Speaker 1: retelling of that. It is Manny's story about his life
Speaker 1: and his love with Rachel, yes, and then the effects
Speaker 1: on him of first of all her disappearance and then
Speaker 1: her death. So you know, it's listen to this story.
Speaker 1: You don't have to go, oh, well, I already know it,
Speaker 1: so I won't listen to Thursdays. It's a really different perspective,
Speaker 1: and it's a beautiful love story and a fucking heartbreaking
Speaker 1: love story. And it's interesting that for me, Sammy, to
Speaker 1: hear you say about how much that story really affected you,
Speaker 1: because when I interviewed Maney for everyone has an X.
Speaker 1: I mean I've been interviewing people and told devastating, heartbreaking
Speaker 1: stories and heard from people about their own for fifteen years.
Speaker 1: Without a doubt, Manny's story in interviewing him for that
Speaker 1: is the one that has broken me the most. I
Speaker 1: sleep for days after that interview because I was just
Speaker 1: so devastated for him. And I've gone on to keep
Speaker 1: a friendship with Money and he's just a beautiful person.
Speaker 1: And there is just something about this story and the
Speaker 1: love of and for Rachel and Money just really shines
Speaker 1: through in their historian. Yeah, it's heartbreaking but really beautiful
Speaker 1: to be able to hear from Manny about his love
Speaker 1: for Rachel.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I hope we haven't turned you off Thursday's episode.
Speaker 2: No, absolutely not. No, I think it's a great episode
Speaker 2: to listen to. And also, you know, a really well
Speaker 2: done episode of your other podcast. Everyone has an ex
Speaker 2: development all the goddamn podcast and also listeners.
Speaker 1: If you've got a story that's like like this, one
Speaker 1: is to us, what's your story like that? Your kind
Speaker 1: of crime story like that? That's one that just really
Speaker 1: really sits with you and sticks with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to hear about them from you guys,
Speaker 1: and if you want us to cover them or not
Speaker 1: because they're too heartbreaker.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Well you can write in at Sammy at
Speaker 2: justinothercompany dot com dot au.
Speaker 1: You can leave us a voice note. The website is
Speaker 1: called speak Pipe and the link is in our show
Speaker 1: notes and in our Instagram bio.
Speaker 2: Yes absolutely, and I would like to say as well.
Speaker 2: So we started talking about in this little section is
Speaker 2: that we started talking about we had a break basically
Speaker 2: in the record, and I talked about my friend Davin,
Speaker 2: who was a childhood friend of mine still is I guess,
Speaker 2: And he was a childhood friend of mine that I
Speaker 2: love very much, and he sent me a message. So
Speaker 2: today in Melbourne it's a public holiday and I had
Speaker 2: a day of just editing and I was listening to that.
Speaker 2: So that we did and just you know, editing that together,
Speaker 2: and then Davin sent me a message and said, hey,
Speaker 2: I've just actually proposed to Emma, my partner and another Emma,
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Benny, Emma's oh my god, so many Emmas,
Speaker 2: and would you like to come and have a quick drink.
Speaker 2: And so Emma is just wonderful and she is. When
Speaker 2: I met her for the first time, I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I get it, I get why, Jose and this person
Speaker 2: is your love and she is just the most wonderful
Speaker 2: person ever. And so I went and had a drink
Speaker 2: with them, and then you came and met Usine I
Speaker 2: so lovely.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I just thought the fact that Davin came up
Speaker 1: when we were recording this episode yesterday and then he's
Speaker 1: since got engaged, we thought we'd better give them.
Speaker 2: A shout out, Adam shout. But also, well, I want
Speaker 2: to say, G Love, are you ready for the male
Speaker 2: bag section today? Because we always love it when people
Speaker 2: write in. And also I would like to say that
Speaker 2: G Love is incredible busy. Right now it is the
Speaker 2: peak time of your other podcast. Everyone has an X,
Speaker 2: so not right away, but g is going to take
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks off to focus on everyone has
Speaker 2: an X and we're going to have the great third
Speaker 2: host of the podcast, Scott Williams fill in for Gyg
Speaker 2: is away for a couple of weeks. So during that time,
Speaker 2: if you want to write in a letter for Scott
Speaker 2: and I, yes, bloody.
Speaker 1: Do an email or speak pipe to Scott and or
Speaker 1: Scott and Sammy for yeah, a couple of weeks when
Speaker 1: Scott will be filling in for me.
Speaker 2: That's fright.
Speaker 1: You think he'll wear like a Taylor Swift T shirt
Speaker 1: or something.
Speaker 2: Probably properly feeling from probably yeah, absolutely, We've.
Speaker 1: Already got him singing show tunes, like breaking into songs,
Speaker 1: so I think that's a He's a very good, feeling
Speaker 1: good replace.
Speaker 2: He's the best. That is why he's the third host
Speaker 2: of the podcast. You already first letter comes from Karen.
Speaker 2: I've been listening to the podcast since the beginning. I'm
Speaker 2: a huge fan of Do go On, where I heard
Speaker 2: Sami as a guest. I found Confessions and am I
Speaker 2: the I don't know why I've said it like that,
Speaker 2: am ivy asshole? Both hilarious. I heard Georgia on a
Speaker 2: few episodes. Then I was onto Two Drunk Candies and
Speaker 2: this show, which is awesome. I want to gently push
Speaker 2: back on something G said several episodes ago. It involved
Speaker 2: a crime over here where the perpetrator was convicted on
Speaker 2: the typical offense but also prior bad acts evidence. Georgia
Speaker 2: express express concern about the US legal system as Australia's
Speaker 2: strictly forbids this type of evidence, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So in Australia, when something is before the charges
Speaker 1: before the courts, yeah, you're not allowed to speak about
Speaker 1: any prior convictions, right, so you can't influence the jury,
Speaker 1: can't be influenced.
Speaker 2: By past behavior.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: This evidence is generally admissible in the U. S. To
Speaker 2: admit this evidence requires that it meets certain criteria and
Speaker 2: may only be used for certain purposes. There is a
Speaker 2: hearing in front of a judge where the prosecutor and
Speaker 2: defense attorney each argue their case. The judge renders a decision.
Speaker 2: States may have different rules. Australia has a roughly similar process.
Speaker 2: My pet peeve today is people who completely block the
Speaker 2: store aisle with their overstuffed, overstuffed cart and appear to
Speaker 2: not see the long line of people just trying to
Speaker 2: get to the other side. Keep up the great podcast things.
Speaker 1: Karen, thanks for that explanation as well. I do agree
Speaker 1: with that that if it is a relative prior conviction
Speaker 1: it should be admissible.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I in many cases disagree with the Australian law
Speaker 1: that it can't be brought up at all if it
Speaker 1: is it could be related. But yeah, that makes sense
Speaker 1: that in America or in your state that it can
Speaker 1: be argued.
Speaker 2: I find it really interesting as well, like in America,
Speaker 2: that state to state it could differ in Australia, is
Speaker 2: that kind of similar to all?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so like the courts, I mean, yeah, not not
Speaker 1: to the extent of America, but there are slightly differing laws,
Speaker 1: you know, from policing to the courts and convictions and
Speaker 1: everything from the state to state. But I think, and
Speaker 1: this is very much a generalization, but not as drastically
Speaker 1: different as the US just based on population and size.
Speaker 2: Yeah sure, sure, No, I find that really interesting that
Speaker 2: it can actually differ that much from state to state.
Speaker 1: One I can think of off the top of my
Speaker 1: head is in Tasmania, the any bail applications cannot be
Speaker 1: reported on in the media at all. In Victoria, so
Speaker 1: applications there are always or more often they're not some
Speaker 1: details of the alleged crime come out in those BAOL
Speaker 1: applications because you know the prosecutor will be so, well,
Speaker 1: this is what we alleged to have happened. So that's
Speaker 1: why we don't want this person to get bail. And
Speaker 1: that can't be reported on in Tasmania.
Speaker 2: That's really interesting. Yeah, so he don't worry about it.
Speaker 2: This comes from Phoebe.
Speaker 3: Hello, Sammy and Georgia. It's Phoebe, long time listener, first
Speaker 3: time speak Piper.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Phoebe.
Speaker 3: I previously sent an email into you guys with a
Speaker 3: recommendation for a case that just so happened that the
Speaker 3: case suspect got arrested the next week.
Speaker 2: So not to say I brought that into exist, you did.
Speaker 1: Phoebe very much may have manifestation.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to for you know how funny I
Speaker 3: found the ending to the most recent Kim Wall episode.
Speaker 3: Not the crime, but when Sammy started talking about the Simpsons.
Speaker 2: I have never been more confused in my life.
Speaker 3: I was just listening to I thought, oh, have I
Speaker 3: started the next episode?
Speaker 2: That's a new episode, because I'm my interest.
Speaker 3: But then I looked through the comments, I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: maybe it's a glitch like it's next week's episode. Maybe
Speaker 3: it's an editing problem that I went, oh no, oh,
Speaker 3: I've got it.
Speaker 5: It's the Simpsons.
Speaker 3: So I just speak to let you know how funny
Speaker 3: I found it, and yeah, love the podcast, keep up
Speaker 3: the good work, and I have a laugh like that
Speaker 3: in a long time. So thank you Sammy.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, baby, that's fair.
Speaker 2: I love that so much. That honestly, because there was
Speaker 2: a tiny little, you know, our little I guess sting
Speaker 2: that goes after that, and then I was launching in
Speaker 2: to a pretend new episode. But it does actually sound
Speaker 2: for the most part, like I've done that with Feathers
Speaker 2: McGraw from Models and grammat and who shot mister Burns.
Speaker 2: So it is such a funny thing.
Speaker 1: I have.
Speaker 2: I skipped ahead and listen to the next episode. We
Speaker 2: have a part one and part two that comes from
Speaker 2: a listener called Chasmin. You're ready for this? Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: from eleven.
Speaker 7: Hey guys, it's just here.
Speaker 6: I just wanted to jump on and say something really
Speaker 6: really quickly.
Speaker 7: I've been listening to you guys forever, almost from the start,
Speaker 7: but I did.
Speaker 1: Catch up on all of the episodes.
Speaker 3: I'm completely up to date now.
Speaker 7: And happened for a while.
Speaker 1: I listened every single Monday and Tuesday. Sorry, Monday and.
Speaker 2: Wednesday whatever, I've just finished. Thursday, I'm a paramedic and
Speaker 2: I've just finished.
Speaker 7: Well, I know it's every Monday and Thursday.
Speaker 2: I am a true fan. Okay.
Speaker 7: Anyway, the point of this message a quick little side note,
Speaker 7: just a little shout out to Chloe, who's my best
Speaker 7: friend who recommended this podcast in like five months, because
Speaker 7: she's not a true fan and is.
Speaker 2: It not to day so than you.
Speaker 7: Agreat so, So I just wanted to jump on and
Speaker 7: say that I've been listening to your podcast and all
Speaker 7: of the speak pipes that's that have been coming in.
Speaker 7: I've been meaning to send a speak pipe for a
Speaker 7: while now, and I wanted Chloe and I to both
Speaker 7: get in on it and do it together. Yes, but
Speaker 7: we are usually just I don't know, we never get
Speaker 7: around to it anyway, Quinn is what led me to
Speaker 7: make this speak pipe actually was that I'm actually starting
Speaker 7: to get really jealous of all the people leaving you
Speaker 7: speak pipes, and they keep saying that they feel like
Speaker 7: you guys are their best friends.
Speaker 9: It's about to end sorry help.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I am obsessed with Jasmine starting that by saying,
Speaker 1: I'm just going to send it.
Speaker 2: It's going to be real quick. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah yeah, brevite Jasmine. But also that's great because it's
Speaker 2: in two parts and it does run out after our
Speaker 2: one minute and thirty seconds.
Speaker 7: Of Sorry guys, that cut me off my hair again.
Speaker 7: Yeah so I really what prompted me to make you
Speaker 7: speak up is actually because I'm getting way too jealous.
Speaker 1: Of everyone's saying that they're your best friends. I feel
Speaker 1: like they're just sitting down having a chat with.
Speaker 3: Their best friends.
Speaker 7: Because in reality, guys, I'm actually.
Speaker 1: Your best friend.
Speaker 9: I'm actually the one who could sit down and have
Speaker 9: a chat. And I feel special every every time I
Speaker 9: listen to a podcast Occa, it's me. Don't like feeling
Speaker 9: like everybody's feeling special because that I'm not special. I
Speaker 9: I that's right, you are, give me my delusion.
Speaker 1: I'm the special one.
Speaker 7: Okay, we'll be We're going to really new friends if
Speaker 7: we ever met, Like it'll be like Sammy and g
Speaker 7: meaning for the first time when we meet, like that
Speaker 7: instant click.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I feel like I love the podcast.
Speaker 1: Love you guys, keep up the good work.
Speaker 7: I will continue to listen every okay Thursday, and I
Speaker 7: have startedges Confession Confession everybody.
Speaker 1: Has an ex podcast? Yes, I will start Confessions too,
Speaker 1: So thank you so much. I am loving everybody else.
Speaker 3: And just a little side note, I sent my.
Speaker 2: Own email in.
Speaker 6: Which would be interesting if if I got.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm likely you guys.
Speaker 1: I will hopefully.
Speaker 3: The off.
Speaker 1: There's no third part from because when you're a basing
Speaker 1: it's so funny because you absolutely are one of ours
Speaker 1: because and.
Speaker 5: I just go on and on and on.
Speaker 2: We are you are our best friend. And this one
Speaker 2: comes from Kate, Hey Georgia and Sammy.
Speaker 1: My name is Kate Georgia.
Speaker 8: We've met before through our beautiful mutual friend Candice to.
Speaker 3: Her loved.
Speaker 1: Beautiful day one stand. Everyone has an X. I will
Speaker 1: tell anyone and.
Speaker 3: Me.
Speaker 8: And whilst I've been waiting for new Seasons to drop,
Speaker 8: I thought, what am I going to do with my time?
Speaker 8: I don't think give not another crime podcast to go
Speaker 8: to lose. Well, you two, you've got me, bloody hook.
Speaker 8: I've actually been living away for the past year from
Speaker 8: home in Korea with the musical Big Kid, and I
Speaker 8: feel like I've got my two little besties on the
Speaker 8: road with me. I get my Monday drop, I get
Speaker 8: my Thursday drop. Thank you very much, and I've been
Speaker 8: having a blast. Love the banter between you two, the
Speaker 8: way you tell these stories with such love, respect and care,
Speaker 8: but also keep it light and entertaining for us.
Speaker 2: And obviously I love all.
Speaker 8: Of the musical theater references, so please please keep that
Speaker 8: up and just keep living your best lives.
Speaker 1: I absolutely love your work. Okay, you're beautiful. Jasmon's gonna
Speaker 1: be very jealous friend as well, but yeah, you actually are,
Speaker 1: like hate You're amazing. Yes, Kaya's just finish up the
Speaker 1: Australian and then went international tour of Wicked. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: she's amazing. And I'll give you a little theater here
Speaker 1: by telling you all the story that this is one
Speaker 1: of my favorite things that has happened in live theater
Speaker 1: that I can think of, at least in the last
Speaker 1: few years.
Speaker 2: Something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's close. We went a bit off at the
Speaker 1: end there, but it's not that. So when the day
Speaker 1: that the queen died, oh god, yes, sorry to tell
Speaker 1: you that. It was a few years ago. Now, Nope,
Speaker 1: there is no Prince Andrew anymore, but it's no, he's
Speaker 1: not okay ah that n So the day the Queen died.
Speaker 1: That night on the West End, there was a performance
Speaker 1: of Wicked, and the director came out at the start
Speaker 1: before the show started and said to the audience, we,
Speaker 1: you know, pay our respects to the Royal family and
Speaker 1: commiserations the other we have. The Royal family has expressed
Speaker 1: that they want Tonight's West End shows to continue on,
Speaker 1: you know, as planned. So with that in mind, we
Speaker 1: are doing the show exactly as it is done every night,
Speaker 1: written exactly how it's always been written. And he is
Speaker 1: tonight's performance of Wi Kid and the first words of
Speaker 1: the show when everyone comes out on the stage is
Speaker 1: no good news. She's dead the Wicked or which is dead?
Speaker 2: My god? That is absolutely incredible.
Speaker 1: It's just so funny because him coming out at the
Speaker 1: start made everyone's years tuned into why are they saying.
Speaker 2: It hasn't been? My god? That's so funny, Oh my god.
Speaker 2: And you'll be happy to know Kats went ahead and
Speaker 2: Greece the musical well well well summer noways wear as
Speaker 2: good as they did that.
Speaker 10: I just want to say thank you so much for
Speaker 10: bringing us this podcast. I've always been a fan of
Speaker 10: true crime, but coming across your podcast has been really
Speaker 10: refreshing and I really enjoy your take on these stories.
Speaker 10: I also consider myself a fan of musical theater and
Speaker 10: really love when Georgia talks all about her passion for it.
Speaker 10: I've seen many a show two or three times, but
Speaker 10: I am ashamed to say that.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen Hamilton before. Angela so much about it.
Speaker 2: I actually watched it on Disney tonight.
Speaker 1: I loved it very much.
Speaker 10: Recommendation anyway, I just want to say thank you again.
Speaker 10: I really enjoy listening, and please keep up the good
Speaker 10: work and keep bringing us these wonderful episodes each week.
Speaker 2: Thanks bye. That was from Angela.
Speaker 1: Angela, and I feel like you will love Hamilton even
Speaker 1: more because there is a name very similar to yours
Speaker 1: and you should be going around singing Angela, Eliza and
Speaker 1: Peggy oh yeah.
Speaker 2: And also, Angela, you have an incredible voice. You're ready
Speaker 2: for one more? Yes, You're ready for one more? Right now?
Speaker 2: Do you love?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 4: Hi, guys, I just wanted to send a speak pipe
Speaker 4: and send my love for the podcast. I love listening
Speaker 4: in every Thursday for the weekly Treat Thursday Treat and
Speaker 4: catching up on all of the episodes. I was wondering
Speaker 4: if you guys had ever heard of the Eating Westbrook case.
Speaker 4: It is on another podcast at the moment.
Speaker 1: I think it's.
Speaker 7: The Little Eadie or Westbrook story.
Speaker 4: But that's a Tasmanian crime, so up your area, Georgia.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I just wondered if you had ever heard
Speaker 4: of it or would consider doing an episode on that
Speaker 4: particular case. I would love to hear your guys viewpoints.
Speaker 4: The previous episode you've done, I think it learns the
Speaker 4: Four Winds Yacht episode. The DNA that was found on
Speaker 4: that yacht bus is one of the key persons of
Speaker 4: interest in The Little Lady. Yeah, so I just wondering
Speaker 4: if you had a part of it, if you would
Speaker 4: consider doing an episode on it. I would just love
Speaker 4: to hear another viewpoint.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Anyway, I hope you guys are having a great week
Speaker 4: and love the episodes.
Speaker 8: Oh, thank you.
Speaker 1: Yes, I've heard and read about the case. I haven't listened.
Speaker 1: There's a full podcast about it, so I will do
Speaker 1: some proper research and we'll bring you that one as well.
Speaker 1: I mean it's a tazzy story. Yeah, it's you don't
Speaker 1: need to twist my arm much further than that. That's
Speaker 1: so fascinating that there's a cross over at least in
Speaker 1: a suspect.
Speaker 2: Of some kind. Isn't that fascinating? Thank you everyone as
Speaker 2: always for leaving voicemails, for writing into us if you
Speaker 2: want to. We'll have one more episode next week with
Speaker 2: the Great G Love, but then after that we'll have
Speaker 2: Scott Williams. So if you want to write in and
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Speaker 1: your podcast app that you are listening in right now. Sammy,
Speaker 1: what is your poor dry peeve today?
Speaker 2: I want you to go first, girl, please?
Speaker 1: I know mine And if you guys follow us on Instagram,
Speaker 1: which she should be doing, you may have seen me
Speaker 1: go on about this on Stories yesterday. So this has
Speaker 1: come about from Timothy Chalama discing Ballet and the opera. Now,
Speaker 1: by the time this episode comes out, I hope that
Speaker 1: everyone has already seen this everywhere and hated Timothy for it,
Speaker 1: so you don't need to go into that itself. However,
Speaker 1: one of the memes I saw about it, or not
Speaker 1: even memes but reactions, reminded me of a poetry peep
Speaker 1: And that reaction post on Instagram was a screenshot of
Speaker 1: a scene from movie musical The Greatest Showman.
Speaker 2: Your favorite musical of all time, I believe of.
Speaker 1: The character who is an opera singer when she does
Speaker 1: her opera performance. So it was screen No, the song
Speaker 1: is never, Never, my fricking p That is not fucking opera.
Speaker 2: It is not a song.
Speaker 1: It's a standard like shit ballad, and it annoys the
Speaker 1: absolute shit out of me that the whole the character's
Speaker 1: whole thing is that she's an opera singer and that
Speaker 1: they're going to the opera and she just sings like
Speaker 1: a badly written because.
Speaker 2: Youve that just that specifically specific song in that musical, yes,
Speaker 2: and that.
Speaker 1: People refer to that as that character is an opera singer.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I think in the musical they Go, she's
Speaker 2: an opera singer and the song.
Speaker 1: Is not an operatic song at all. It just makes
Speaker 1: me so angry. Also, it's just a ship movie musical.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2: Obviously, some of the songs that are great.
Speaker 1: Some of the songs are great. Yes, this is Some
Speaker 1: of the songs are great.
Speaker 2: Zach Efron is in it, obviously before this major malfunction
Speaker 2: with his face.
Speaker 1: Yes, isn't it you sure?
Speaker 4: Great?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Remember that love story with zac Efron. Please don't remember that.
Speaker 1: Ah, but it's just not. Everyone thinks I'd really love it,
Speaker 1: and I just don't. I don't like, I don't.
Speaker 2: I just don't. It's okay, not for you. Mine would
Speaker 2: be people who say I'm on my way in a
Speaker 2: text when they're still horizontal. I find it so frustrating
Speaker 2: because I am a god right now, No, because you
Speaker 2: don't do that. I'm always You're always late, but you
Speaker 2: always so I always arrive late. When you say you're
Speaker 2: on time, I always go give it ten minutes. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 2: so I've adjusted my time set for you.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 2: But people who say that when they're like when they're genuinely,
Speaker 2: Oh my god, they're not on their way at all.
Speaker 2: And I get so frustrated when it's like, oh, like,
Speaker 2: I also have stuff to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so if you're not on your way, that's fine.
Speaker 2: That I don't care. Just say it. So it's not
Speaker 2: like I could be editing a podcast. I could be
Speaker 2: doing a million things.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's okay if you're late, but tell me.
Speaker 2: Just tell me, and I say I'm on my way
Speaker 2: when you're absolutely not. Also, can I say a doting
Speaker 2: digs for this week? I had a beautiful friend come
Speaker 2: over today, Rachel Payne, who is the MP for legalizing cannabis,
Speaker 2: who I've started doing some editing work for, and she's
Speaker 2: absolutely fantastic and just an interesting viewpoint on whether or
Speaker 2: not you should legalize cannabis whatever lor whatever your standpoint is.
Speaker 2: But I had a beautiful moment today with her when
Speaker 2: Will chatting and Diggs came and sat up with me
Speaker 2: because he always likes to be very close to and
Speaker 2: she goes, oh, just hanging out with your dad, And
Speaker 2: it was just such a beautiful moment because it was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: he is, and he just likes to be as close
Speaker 2: to me as possible, like he is right now, so
Speaker 2: on your phone. Yeah, just starnging out with his dad
Speaker 2: and going, it's always like he's showing me off, going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh dad, yeah, my dad.
Speaker 2: This guy's amazing. The next episode we're going to record
Speaker 2: is going to be with the Great, the Majestic, the
Speaker 2: Queen herself, Powdry Hatburn. We cannot tease this enough because
Speaker 2: she is, I'll just say it, the most beautiful cat
Speaker 2: I've ever goddamn scene.
Speaker 1: She's the most beautiful being.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. But I am excited to be with her.
Speaker 2: I'm excited to be in her presence for a moment.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna be recording the next episode that you
Speaker 2: hear of the main episode on the Monday, that'll be
Speaker 2: with Poudrey. Then after that a couple of episodes was
Speaker 2: Scott Williams. It's gonna be great, yes, So do right
Speaker 2: in to Scott Williams and I will be here for
Speaker 2: the next couple of weeks after that, and then g
Speaker 2: Love will of course be back.
Speaker 1: I'll be back soon, Lucie. You remember you belong to me.
Speaker 1: I'll be back. Time will tell you'll remember that I.
Speaker 2: Served you well. Oh rise em Bazzball.
Speaker 1: We have cell the Riddle.
Speaker 2: And wind Push comes to shop.
Speaker 4: I will send a fully armed battalion to remind you
Speaker 4: of my love.
Speaker 2: Everything.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Also, can I just say thank you to all of
Speaker 2: the Clarks for doing the theme music. Thank you to
Speaker 2: Terms and Hayes for doing the artwork.
Speaker 1: That song we just sang.
Speaker 2: Can I also say, please leave a five star rating
Speaker 2: Liba five star. If you share this podcast with a
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Speaker 7: Left Francisco.
Speaker 1: On the string thanks to the on the string, thanks
Speaker 1: to the gift. Step down, Down Down.
Speaker 4: I don't write anything excepted like Neil Diamond,