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Speaker 2: We're Jonesy today. We put it to you about the

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Speaker 3: All the time, which we all think is wonderful.

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Speaker 4: No one disagrees with that.

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Speaker 3: But you came up with the idea this morning of

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Speaker 2: It seems that we had a quote that was six

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Speaker 2: then it blew out a little bit to twenty five

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Speaker 3: Yes, And I've loved how people that have no knowledge

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Speaker 4: Well, then Jonesy came along.

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Speaker 3: And spoke about himself as the third person.

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Speaker 2: Jones came along and said, why don't we flick the

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Speaker 2: I mentioned it this morning. Didn't even know what it

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Speaker 2: looked like. No, it just looks like the Australian fan.

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Speaker 2: Why don't we take that down? Put it in somewhere

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Speaker 2: and we've got the Aboriginal flag and we've saved twenty

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Speaker 4: That you're welcome.

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Speaker 3: That was an idea of yours and I thought, who

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Speaker 4: Is this the way they say saving twenty five million dollars?

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Speaker 3: Does it pass the pub test?

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Speaker 1: It's absolutely bush to spend that money on the flag.

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Speaker 1: And what this was South Wales state flag. I didn't

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Speaker 1: South Wales flag to put it up. No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: I've never even seen that flag on the bridge. No,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm a proud New South Wales person. Then

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Speaker 1: you look at it, we should be supporting all three.

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Speaker 1: They are twenty five millions figured up there on one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent behinre in Jonesy plus then Queensland will have

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Speaker 3: Interesting there, well, Natalie Ward is the Minister for Metropolitan Roads.

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Speaker 3: She's in charge of the flags on the Harbor Bridge.

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Speaker 3: We know it's budget day, we know she's uber busy,

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Speaker 3: but she's taken the time to talk to us this morning.

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Speaker 3: We're very grateful Natalie.

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Speaker 1: Hello, Hi, gratefully with you.

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Speaker 4: Natalie, You're welcome now, don't to the Meeting's the problem.

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Speaker 2: I've just saved twenty five million dollars. Guys, do you

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Speaker 3: What do you make of Jonesy's suggestion that we do

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Speaker 1: Oh? Look, you know it's always an option. We're always

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Speaker 1: There's not an option to meet that. Because now this

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Speaker 1: And we've got to have that New South Wales flag there,

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Speaker 1: So that's something we asolutely must be proud of it.

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Speaker 2: If we lose straight of origin, then we don't have

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Speaker 4: Reasonable.

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Speaker 3: How have you felt, Natalie listening to people, Usually men

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Speaker 1: Everyone's an expert. Great to have the feedback, it's fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Can I say, look, I said the same thing when

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Speaker 2: But it doesn't have to be that complex, Natalie, we

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Speaker 2: Amanda had no idea what the new South Wales flag

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Speaker 4: What don't you put outside?

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Speaker 2: Whether you politicians can look at it and then we

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Speaker 3: Can I pitch you here?

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Speaker 1: Though?

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Speaker 2: It's just the new southwild state flag flag to me

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Speaker 4: It looks exactly the same, but it's up on the top.

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Speaker 3: Of the bridge. I think you'll like the people who

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Speaker 4: To just meet the bridge as well. You're putting three

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Speaker 3: That's why you have to have some work. So you're saying,

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Speaker 4: Yes, well, why don't we go back to that.

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Speaker 3: You're not allowed to climb over the bridge. You have

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Speaker 2: I just find that I'm maybe I'm in just one

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Speaker 3: This must have been exhausting a few days for you,

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Speaker 3: Natalie Terrible.

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Speaker 1: Oh look at you know, it's a real pleasure and say,

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Speaker 1: But also you know, this is the iconic Sydney Harbor Bridge.

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Speaker 1: same about the flag. It's important that it's there and

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Speaker 1: we need to get on and get this done. But

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Speaker 1: I will certainly look at the costs.

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Speaker 2: Can you run it past Dom running past you just Natalie,

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Speaker 2: just go in there and say look and donmon state's

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Speaker 4: You have to run it past the men because he's

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Speaker 3: He's the Premier, isn't it or Natalie is the minister

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Speaker 3: for this?

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Speaker 2: Well past the guys just spitball and say, hey, guys,

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Speaker 2: I know and you know when the PowerPoint presentation is going,

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Speaker 2: what about we don't put up the third pole and

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Speaker 2: we just take down the New South Wales put out

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Speaker 2: Wales and then we got the two flags boom money.

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Speaker 3: Saying well Natalie, now you see what I have to

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Speaker 4: And I appreciate your time, common.

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Speaker 1: Sense, I see, I see and look. You know, I

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Speaker 1: have I want everyone out there, but you know, I

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Speaker 2: That's just one question before you go though. This morning

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Speaker 2: I was talking to Amanda about Back to the Future.

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Speaker 2: What was the time traveling device in Back to the

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Speaker 2: Future the movie the car?

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Speaker 1: Car? Yeah, what type of car was? It was?

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Speaker 3: No, it doesn't matter if got or didn't know.

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Speaker 1: The skateboard. I always wanted to ever go on the

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Speaker 1: skate I thought that was awesome. I still want one too.

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Speaker 2: It's like a horrible Amanda said this morning, just trying

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Speaker 2: to shame me. Amanda said this morning, was that a

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Speaker 2: time traveling Was that a time traveling device?

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Speaker 3: I didn't know the car was.

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Speaker 2: I said, what it's like watching top Gun and saying

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Speaker 2: other planes in it. I don't understand. And this is

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Speaker 2: your people that want the twenty five million dollar flag.

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Speaker 4: So it's not me. Natalie.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much. We do appreciate this budget day.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for your time this morning again very much,

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Speaker 3: thank you very much to preciate.

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Speaker 1: Thanks bye, thank you and me too.

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Speaker 4: No, you've just bleed everybody. You bullied everybody, anyone.

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Speaker 3: Go and run it past the men, I said.

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Speaker 4: Past Tom. He's the boss man, he's the premier

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Speaker 3: To all breeze