1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: Get a I'm Laala Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter, 2 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: and professional overshaer. This podcast is all about celebrating failure 3 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: because I believe it's a chance for us to learn, 4 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: grow and face our blind spots. Each week I'll interview 5 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: a different guest about their highs as well as they're lows, 6 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: all in a bid to inspire. 7 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 2: Us to fearlessly fail. 8 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: Hello, we have a returning guest coming to you on 9 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 1: the pod today. 10 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 2: Ali is Black. 11 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: Now, if you want to go back and listen to 12 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: the first time he was on the air, it was 13 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: episode two hundred and seven. He is fresh in LA 14 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 1: and I think when we recorded this had been in 15 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: LA for just five days. So we talk about what 16 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: he is doing here, what is dreams and aspirations are. 17 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,040 Speaker 2: We talk about his pod that he's. 18 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 1: Got with Bosco, my boyfriend, We talk about We actually 19 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: get quite deep. There's loads, we cover, loads and lots 20 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: of stuff about what he loves about being an Aussie 21 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: over here, and he actually opens up a lot about 22 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 1: his visa process as well. 23 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 2: So if you're thinking about coming over to LA. 24 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: This is a great ep for you if you're interested 25 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 1: in that kind of like creative model actor kind of path. 26 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: This is also an episode for you, so I hope 27 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: you love it. Ali's is also a dear mate, and 28 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: it was just so nice to sit opposite a mate 29 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: and deal a pod with a long term friend. You know, 30 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: all right, Uru, hope you love this. Epp boy, Welcome 31 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 1: back to the pod, Alice Black. 32 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 2: Hello, happy to be here. 33 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: Oh, I must say, very nice to have a familiar 34 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: face sitting opposite me. 35 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 2: Haven't seen you for a little while. It's been hot minge, 36 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 2: but made it back. Which is did you say hot 37 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 2: min orminge? I guess we have to figure that one 38 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 2: out yourself. 39 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: Well, we are off to a flying starts. 40 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 2: Been a fabulous morning. 41 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, we've had a big cookup. You cooked up a 42 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 1: feast yeap coffees. Yeah, traded Joe's. Yeah, and welcome back. 43 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 1: You did say that, so welcome to la. You've been 44 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:19,959 Speaker 1: here for five days now? 45 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 2: Yeah? Five I think? Yeah? Five days? How do you 46 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 2: feel good? Yeah, it's cool. It's so good to be back. 47 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 2: It's like a different experience, knowing that it's not just 48 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 2: a holiday this time. I have to wrap around that 49 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 2: to be like okay, like this is like hustle time, 50 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 2: but also like oh, give yourself a couple of weeks. Yeah. Yeah, 51 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 2: I'm trying to. But at the same time, like I 52 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 2: want to hit the ground running, and it's already been 53 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 2: like pretty there's been a bit of movement already, a 54 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:50,239 Speaker 2: bit of momentum, which is cool. 55 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: I've already I've been following you on start obviously, but 56 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: like you've already been taking meetings and doing stuff, and 57 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: I saw you just hustling just then, So you're fine, 58 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: go on yourself the first couple of weeks and then 59 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: click into work mode because as you and I both know, 60 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: Los Angeles is evering expensive. 61 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I got two things I got to shoot by Friday, 62 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 2: and I have it even like figed out the concepts 63 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 2: from yeah like content stuff, yeah, content, Yeah. One of 64 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 2: them likes this product and one I have to be 65 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 2: in it, and I don't know how I'm going to 66 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 2: shoot it. I'm just like, oh my god, how do 67 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 2: I think this cool? Oh? Is this what we were talking 68 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 2: about in the elevator. No, it's different. Shooting something for 69 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 2: Jean Paulcarttier like a new fragrance. Oh wow. And then 70 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 2: I'm shooting something for like, yeah, Castify, like the phone 71 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 2: case brand, which I have to be in just like, 72 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 2: how do I make this like interesting and like engaging. Yeah, 73 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 2: it's a bit different usual. I'm doing stuff that's more 74 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 2: in line. It's like, okay, it's adventure, it's s if, 75 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 2: it's like off road, motorcycles whatever. Fashion. Yeah, you do 76 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 2: a lot of motorcycles, so this is like okay, this 77 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 2: is like doing something. It's more like kind of city 78 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 2: urban urban. Yeah, so it's a good little like sho 79 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 2: ha la that's what I was thinking. Yeah, yeah, like 80 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 2: finding like a cool space. But yeah, we'll have. 81 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: A brain throw, We'll have a brain strong. Oh you 82 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: we've already had a really healthy meal. We're gonna do saunas. 83 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 1: That's going to help. Okay, So I want to talk 84 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 1: a little bit about La first, and then I have 85 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: really enjoyed your pod that you've done with Yeah, I 86 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: haven't miss an emphasides, So I want to talk about that, 87 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: but just on the because I think Aussie is find 88 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: interesting hearing a little bit about the visa process. 89 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 2: So we're allowed to say you're on a O one. Yeah, 90 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 2: alien with extraordinary ability. That's right, see technical term. 91 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: I wrote one of your referral letters you did, yeah, 92 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 1: to give me a few nudges. It's so hard though, 93 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: because there's obviously like legal protocol when you do write 94 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: a referral. So basically, if you're listening to this, like 95 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: the visa that Alis is on is called an O 96 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 1: one Alien of Extraordinary ability or extraordinary talent, and you 97 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 1: kind of need to get a trucklet like I said, 98 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: eight letters, six letters. 99 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's essentially a creative visa. So anyone who's 100 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 2: liking to doing photography, act, dance, acting, sports, personal modeling, 101 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 2: that kind of yeah, it's that kind of field. Yeah, 102 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 2: and you have to essentially prove that you'd be an 103 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 2: asset to American assets to America, and that you're a 104 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 2: known profile in the country of origin and that you're 105 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 2: going to bring something to the market that doesn't already exist. 106 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 2: And that's very hard, especially as a model and act 107 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 2: that it's like you are in a place that's saturated 108 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 2: by models and actors. It's like, how do you go 109 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 2: and prove to you know, the authorities, officials that you 110 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 2: are this unique alien of extraordinary ability totally, which you've done. 111 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: So congratulations, that's a huge feat and I know you're 112 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 1: working on that for a fair while are you liking 113 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:48,679 Speaker 1: a chlorophyll by the way. 114 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't really taste like anything. Yeah, it tastes 115 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:57,919 Speaker 2: like dirty water. Oh sorry, we're not drinking it for 116 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 2: the taste. We're doing it for the health benefiting this 117 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 2: synergy can butcher. 118 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: Which has sixteen grams of sugar in it, of pure goodness. 119 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 2: Okay, so you're now at the phase where you're. 120 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 1: On American soil. You're organizing your Social Security number. Then 121 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: after that you'll do bank account and credit and start 122 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: building a credit rating. 123 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 2: Right yep. 124 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: So that's one thing that ossies often don't know about, 125 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: that building credit in America. You whatever you've got existing 126 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: in Australia, it sounds for that's right, So you'll be 127 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 1: starting from zero. 128 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. Actually it doesn't really phase me that much because 129 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 2: I just don't like, I've got a visa which is 130 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 2: three years, so it's like, how much credit am I 131 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 2: going to need? Okay? Sure, maybe things will change and 132 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 2: end up saying longer or whatever, but at this point 133 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 2: I'm not that stressed, to be honest. Oh you just 134 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 2: a cruise it. I'm like, i feel like I'm much 135 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 2: more much. 136 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: We're both virgos, but I feel like I'm a much 137 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 1: more stressful virgo than you. 138 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 2: That said, you have more specific goals. You're like, I 139 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 2: want this specific thing in this specific place where I'm like, 140 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 2: I want these experiences and I'll figure out how that happened. 141 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 2: You know. I've got like a vague goal and it's like, 142 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 2: we'll see how things play out. You're right, which is 143 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 2: bad sometimes sometimes it's a bit wooer. But You're like, 144 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 2: I want a house in Montana and a farm in 145 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 2: the hinterlands. Yeah, and I'm like, I just want to 146 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 2: found it at some point, only comfortable and the outer 147 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 2: surf every day. Yeah, which I feel as specific. You know, no, 148 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 2: but I feel like that works that where it all 149 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 2: ends up could be here. It could be Byron, it 150 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 2: could be Mexico. Who knows to loom. I feel like 151 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 2: you'd love to loom. Yeah, I'm going to suss that out. 152 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: So okay, So you're here. Your plan is essentially you've 153 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: almost just given us a taste. You're kind of open 154 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: to whatever comes, but you're going to explore modeling and acting. 155 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 2: Right. Are allowed to say that yes, yes, yes, yes, 156 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 2: that's all yeah, pretty much it. But just knowing from 157 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 2: experience in my own personal experiences. Like things never play 158 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 2: out the way you expect. So yeah, you go somewhere, 159 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 2: You travel somewhere with a city goal in mind, and 160 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 2: then next thing, you're starting businesses which might have nothing 161 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 2: to do with what you were essentially originally came over for. 162 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 2: So yeah, I think that's why my mindset it's quite open, 163 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 2: but definitely pushing the envelope in the modeling and acting 164 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 2: kind of world is the initial goal. Great, see what happens. 165 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: I want to do an acting class with you. I 166 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: feel like it'd be so fun. 167 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like i'd be more nervous in front 168 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 2: of people. I kN you be better in front of strangers. 169 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 2: Worth on a Calia accent, though, Have you really all right? 170 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 2: Go for it? All right, let's have a let's have 171 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 2: a conversation. Nervous. So, do you want one of my 172 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 2: trigger sentence? I've got a trigger sentence. 173 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: Okay, it's like a vowel exercise because we say vowels 174 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: differently to Americans. So mine is she was seen to 175 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: be evil in the mean streets where bees feed and 176 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 1: schemes are the key. 177 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 2: I feel like what you need to do is accentuate 178 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 2: the rs and speak through your nose. You reckon naseles 179 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 2: way more nasal. And guys here tend to have higher voices, 180 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 2: and whenever I try and put a Cali accent on, 181 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 2: my voice will go up. And I'm ready for it. 182 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 2: I'm ready for Tell me about your butcher. Oh my god, 183 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 2: this butcher is like so good. I was going for 184 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 2: a walk before through the park and I was so parched, 185 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 2: so I went. I went and got a bottle of 186 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 2: synergy K butcher something like that. Oh guys, I'm still green. 187 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 2: Don't judge me. No, you did good. You did good. 188 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: It's that It's funny how like certain words and letters 189 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 1: like can trip you up, you know. Like I sent 190 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: my voice over reel to an agent yesterday and they. 191 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 2: Were like, oh, we love the Australian. 192 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: You need to read it the American and I'm like, fuck, 193 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: I've been training five years. 194 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 2: In American dialect. 195 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: But because the Australian is like so natural, it stands 196 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: out when you flick to American and like, yeah, you're looking. 197 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 2: For it Aussie as well. You're You're like and you 198 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 2: have all your little fucking names. You like that you 199 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 2: make up copper dogo, Crimbai that's not a thing. Crimbo 200 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 2: is Lola his way of saying Christmas, which is just 201 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 2: you have a real issue with it. Don't say the 202 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 2: R word, but it's pretty special. I'll help that one. 203 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: Help that one, okay, can we talk about paradise problems? 204 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: You're pod with Bosco aka Matt aka my boyfriend. Do 205 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: you know we've been together only said seven years? Five 206 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: years in a couple of months. 207 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 2: That's why you'll think about when we met? How many 208 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:23,839 Speaker 2: how many partners I have had since then? You guys 209 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 2: been together whole time? 210 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, we've met a few. My Oh so I remember 211 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: like Christmas Day you were like, quick, get something out 212 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:34,559 Speaker 1: of the freeze. We had to pull salmon out of 213 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: the freezer. When you bought a girl to Christmas Day. 214 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: I wanted to punch you in the face so hard 215 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: then because I'm an organized freak, and like so I 216 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: had like the turkey organized, had all the meals organized, 217 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,559 Speaker 1: and You're like, she doesn't eat turkey, and I was like, well, 218 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: it's fucking Christmas Day, so what are we going to do? 219 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 2: Figured it out and I got it done. He did? 220 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 2: He did? You both did. Don't act like you were 221 00:10:55,080 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 2: cooking excuse me that ottolini to my salad. That was 222 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 2: all me. We have it here she cuts some tomatoes. Guys. 223 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: Oh wow, wait wow wait, okay, okay. Paradise Problems basically, 224 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: it's a show where you and Matt both talk about 225 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: living in Byron Bay, but like you're kind of very 226 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: open and vulnerable. You talk about, yes, the dating game 227 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: and Matt's like throwing dirty jogs every two seconds, but 228 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: you also talk about like mental health and like both 229 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: of you talk about having been medicated, and it's quite 230 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 1: like did you did you feel like challenged being that 231 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: vulnerable too? 232 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 2: Like that was your first ever pod. 233 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: I know you've been on pods before this one as well, 234 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: but like, was it kind of scary and confronting to 235 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: be that vulnerable? 236 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:49,839 Speaker 2: That definitely is still like somewhat of a filter a 237 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 2: there's certain things that you kind of catch yourself saying like, oh, 238 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 2: I don't want to go too deep on this, but no, 239 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 2: I actually found the hardest thing about that podcast was 240 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 2: the actually doing the podcast in terms of like being 241 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 2: like podcasts fit, Like the first three or four episodes, 242 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:12,959 Speaker 2: I was just like, you know, the episode's only an hour, 243 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 2: and I'd be so drained afterwards, like so tired, because 244 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 2: it's like you're having this like chat and you like 245 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 2: think out what to say and you kind of like 246 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,319 Speaker 2: set out like a premise of the topics you want 247 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 2: to discuss, and it's just very you never really think 248 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 2: about that before you do. It're like, oh, yeah, I'm 249 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 2: just going to roll and speak. Then you're like, it's 250 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 2: kind of draining. 251 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: It's harder to be on the other side, right like 252 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: what I'm doing for you right now, I'm interviewing you, 253 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: so this is a harder job. 254 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,199 Speaker 2: I believe exactly what you can just. 255 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: Chill and just answer honestly whatever you want to, whatever 256 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 1: I ask. 257 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 2: That's why whenever you're like do you want to know 258 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 2: what we're going to talk about it, I'm like, no, 259 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 2: I don't want to know because I'd rather just be 260 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 2: off the cauff yeah, and just be organic. Where's like, 261 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 2: when you have a structured conversation, it becomes like kind 262 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 2: of a bit of chore until you kind of get 263 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 2: used to it. That was kind of hard, But in 264 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 2: terms of the vulnerability, I think it was sweet. Like 265 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 2: I didn't go too crazy deep, like I'm not like 266 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 2: a closed book when it comes to you know, having 267 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 2: some mental health stuff when I was growing up, and 268 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 2: you know, having some challenges even more recently. But it's 269 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 2: you talked about being medicated when you were younger. Though 270 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 2: for mental health, it doesn't make me feel like vulnerable 271 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 2: at all, Like, yeah, cool, I think it's a great 272 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 2: thing sweet now And you know, everyone has ups and downs, 273 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 2: and I don't really find it like confronting it all 274 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 2: talking about that. 275 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like listening to you, as you've grown up, 276 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: you've figured out also, like what works for your mental health, 277 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: Like is it like being in nature? 278 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 2: Is it the meditation? 279 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 1: Like have you feel like now that you've kind of 280 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 1: like figured out what works for you? 281 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. I mean for the most part, 282 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 2: it's setting. Yeah, it's great. Nature is always good. But 283 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing for me is like training 284 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 2: moving my body. Like that's when sh it's really bad. 285 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 2: If I didn't have that, maybe I would end up 286 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 2: back on some kind of SSRI. But the fact that 287 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 2: I can be like cool and it's going to go 288 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 2: and just like really zone out and box for an 289 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 2: hour or like do it's or like literally just sit 290 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 2: in the ocean for two three hours and so for 291 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 2: whatever it is, it's all three in one day. Yeah, 292 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 2: like whatever, Like I can do that, I can like 293 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 2: get myself back to a good place when things are rough. 294 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 2: And I think knowing whatever those things are for you 295 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 2: is really important because you're always going to go through 296 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 2: ups and downs, Like even when shit's fucking amazing like 297 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 2: someone have. You know, there's always little things like relationships 298 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 2: or family members being on well or whatever it is. 299 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 2: You know, there's always be things that are going to 300 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 2: get thrown in there and you're going to bring it 301 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 2: down to this level and you need to know how 302 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 2: to kind of adapt and bring yourself back to center. Totally, 303 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 2: well said, I like that. 304 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: Did you like my question I threw into the paradixr 305 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: You remember the question I threw into Paradise Problems. 306 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 2: I've ever edited my apps? Are? Yeah? They either edited? 307 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 2: Or how often? Like do I come to your yours 308 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 2: and thats and just like rip my shirt off and 309 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 2: I'm just like way comfortable just wearing boardies. 310 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: No, but like you, Poe, your Instagram is highly curated 311 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: in a good way. 312 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, And I. 313 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: Was like, oh, I wonder if he's ever gone Oh 314 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: fuck it, I just want to like tighten that little 315 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: bit or like no, but you did admit to playing 316 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: with saturation. 317 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 2: Correct, Yeah, when you edit a photo, you're going to 318 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 2: be playing with colors lighting. But in terms of like 319 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 2: changing dimensions or changing like something to like look bigger 320 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 2: or more shaded. 321 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: Or well, you're gonna love entering the acting world because 322 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: many actors do get their abs like airbrushed on for shoots. 323 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 2: Like actors open up about that, what do you mean 324 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 2: for shoots like. 325 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: Say you had to do some kind of sexy time 326 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: scene right with like Sydney Sweeney or. 327 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 2: Something they added the abs on after. 328 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: No, no, no makeup will will they make makeup? 329 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 2: Abs is a thing. Not everybody gets them. It's just 330 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 2: not for me. You're like a natural, like you know, 331 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 2: like I'm happy with my body's fluctuations. That's also something 332 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 2: that's come with a There's days where I wake up 333 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 2: and I'm like I look like fucking shit, And there's 334 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 2: days awake up like I look good, And some days 335 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, well maybe today I'm going to like 336 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 2: cut some water weight because I've got a fitting, I've 337 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 2: got a casting or how do you do that? How 338 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 2: do you cut water weight? Literally just like, don't drink 339 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 2: heaps of water in the morning. If I've got something, 340 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 2: I guessday I had to do it, uh what do 341 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 2: you call it? Digitis? And I have to do measurements 342 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 2: at my agency, and so I just cut my water 343 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 2: like the night before. Like it wasn't like I was 344 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 2: like in they're measuring cups. I was just like, cool, 345 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 2: I don't drink as much. I had like a really good, 346 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 2: like healthy mill in the morning, and then I just 347 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 2: didn't eat again until after that fitting Sorry, the measurements 348 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 2: and everything were done. So I just, yeah, just cut 349 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 2: water and I cut my intake a little bit smack 350 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 2: as well before that kind of stuff. Yeah yeah, and 351 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 2: then literally that's it. It's not like it's making a 352 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 2: huge difference, but it's enough that I can notice, and 353 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 2: I'm like, cool, yeah, I'm looking like a bit more 354 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 2: like shredded. I'm looking a bit more whatever. I love 355 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 2: all these hats. I love like modeling. When on one hat, 356 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 2: even like driving to the agency, it's just like literally 357 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 2: just like working on just dancing my app. So it's 358 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 2: like on the drive over like fifteen minute drive, it's 359 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 2: just like doing like like essentially. 360 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: Reps really well, of course it makes sense because they're 361 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: then effectively like switched on. 362 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. Crazy. The rest of the work is done, you know, 363 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 2: at the gym when I'm actually going in and doing 364 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,439 Speaker 2: sessions and the boxing or whatever. It is. Like if 365 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 2: I'm fitting doing a fitting for like a soup brand, 366 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 2: like okay, cool, I'm not gonna do weights like four 367 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 2: days leading up to it because I'm naturally quite a 368 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 2: big guy in terms of a model at least. Yeah, 369 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 2: so I'll be like cool, I'm just gonna do cardio, 370 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 2: so might just box every night leading up to that, 371 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 2: or the I'm gonna do weights, I'll just train legs 372 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 2: because I naturally I have skin hours legs. I don't 373 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 2: won't do anything upper body for like three or four 374 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 2: days just so like you know, your dimensions change because 375 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 2: I'm constantly fluctuating. I'm anywhere from like eighty two to 376 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 2: like eighty eight kilos. 377 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: But that's health, Like even it's health to fluctuate. But 378 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: I feel like you have a really good overall health. 379 00:17:57,960 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: Like I feel like health is probably one of your 380 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 1: main value systems. 381 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 2: Wouldn't you say? Yeah, for sure. I mean I just 382 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 2: want to feel good, like I'm experiencing this reality through 383 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 2: my body, through my mind, so healthy mind, healthy body. 384 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 2: It's not like I'm doing this thing to like because 385 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 2: it's like a I don't know it is a fad now, 386 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 2: but like the way I've always looked at it is 387 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 2: like I want to experience everything the best way I can, 388 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:22,239 Speaker 2: and that if I can move well and I can 389 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:26,120 Speaker 2: feel good, and I can feel good internally and externally 390 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,880 Speaker 2: physically and psychologically, then I'm going to experience everything in 391 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 2: through a better filter essentially on percent. 392 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 1: And I think I'm glad you said psychologically as well, 393 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: because my whole thing is like I always want to 394 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 1: feel mentally clear. And I know if I've eaten something 395 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: that's like inflammatory sugar, yeah, sure you're down the next day, 396 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 1: or you feel coffee yeah, and it just it really 397 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: affects your For me, like mental clarity is something like 398 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 1: the first thing to go like some like it's. 399 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 2: Going to sound so like nitpicky, but I will never 400 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 2: get like a salad with all that when I'm out. 401 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 2: I'll never get a salad with veget oil addressing because 402 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 2: it makes you feel like arth would you feel it 403 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 2: straight away? 404 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: Can we just specify vegetable oil dressing because you're talking 405 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 1: about seed oils. 406 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 2: Correct, I'm talking about seed oils. Yeah, even canola oil 407 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 2: is that. 408 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: Yes, So there's like six baddies essentially, and they're oils 409 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: that shouldn't be exposed to heat, and they're in a 410 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: lot of things. 411 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, and super high like the Amiga six a Mega 412 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 2: three ratios. It causes information and like as soon as 413 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 2: I notice it, yeah, I'm feeling like lethargic and like 414 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 2: sluggish and like it's just like, put it this way, 415 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 2: you wouldn't want to go play a computer game where 416 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 2: the character that you're having to play can't move properly 417 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 2: through the game. You know, you want to have someone 418 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 2: that's you want to like a true gamer. Are you 419 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 2: a gamer? Definitely? Not a gamer? Have you? But I'm 420 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 2: just trying to put it to like, you know, just 421 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 2: really simplify it, Like, wouldn't it be frustrating if you 422 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:50,479 Speaker 2: were playing some games like you couldn't move and you're 423 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 2: pressing like the forward can it's slow to respond and 424 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 2: you want to be like, you want to be responsive. 425 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 2: You want to be able to act in whatever situation 426 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 2: you know brought to you in life. I love it. 427 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 2: I love it. 428 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 1: Do you remember when you were at my house and 429 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: I had that Keto mayonnaise out and you're like throw 430 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: it in the bin, Lola, because it had seed oils 431 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: in it, so it didn't have sugar. 432 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,439 Speaker 2: It was like mostly seed oil. It was it was 433 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 2: like it was like some it wasn't it was vegan 434 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 2: maybe vegan. Yeah, I didn't have egg. It was just 435 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 2: like first and green. It was like canola oil. You 436 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 2: literally like, would you get a glass of canol oil 437 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 2: and like I'm just going to pour this down my 438 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 2: fucking throat. Yeah, no, of course not. Yeah, And you've 439 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 2: gotta be so careful that in the US sneaks in. 440 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,199 Speaker 2: I go and shop. And I went shopping the other 441 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 2: day and got a bunch of like groceries, and then 442 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 2: I got home. I was like fucking coconut milk, canola 443 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 2: oil or something. Then like I got like this cereal. 444 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 2: I was like, I'll get like a sweet cereal like sugar. 445 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 2: I'm not that fussed out, And you have it here 446 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 2: and there and it's like full of canola oil. Motherfuckers. 447 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: So sugar is something that I'm pretty like diligent in 448 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: staying away from. But like the seed oils for me sneaking, 449 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 1: especially because I like a good protein bar. 450 00:20:59,440 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 451 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: Seed oil is fucking they get you, they get you, 452 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: and they like it causes DNA damage and it stays 453 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 1: in your body for five years, Like it's pretty scary. 454 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's in like just about everything. 455 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, how'd you go when you're in and out to 456 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:14,880 Speaker 1: just tell yourself you weren't doing it? 457 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 2: Well, I guess everything's cooked in seed in what canol 458 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 2: oil or something in it? It'd be yeah, to be 459 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 2: cooked in the seed or whatever. I mean, Like I said, 460 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 2: I'm not like to the point where I'm like fanatic 461 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,679 Speaker 2: about it. You know, you still to have fun and 462 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 2: I love it in and out. I was going to say, good, 463 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 2: like the mead's never frozen, it's all fresh potatoes, a handcut. 464 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. 465 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 2: It's like, you know, I'm not going to go to 466 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,360 Speaker 2: a restaurant and be like, are you using this? Because 467 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 2: even if you go to a really nice fucking restaurant, yeah, 468 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:42,919 Speaker 2: they're going to be using. 469 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 1: Oil totally, like totally. So do you get dressing on 470 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: the side if you get a salad? 471 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 2: What do you do? Just get no dressing or just 472 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 2: get no dressing and ask for like some fucking lemon 473 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 2: or something smart. Oh gee, this is I'm loving these, 474 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 2: but I'm not like crazy about it. It's like if 475 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 2: I'm going takeaway, it's like cool, no dressing, I'm just 476 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 2: dressing when I got home. If I'm out for a dinner, 477 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 2: I'm not. I don't know. I can't. You also don't. 478 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 2: It's a balancing act. You don't want get to a 479 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 2: point where you're like nitpicking everything because then you're taking 480 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 2: up room in your psychological space to like try and 481 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 2: feed your physical space. And like is the balancing act. 482 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 2: You don't want to be like ruining life experiences as well, 483 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 2: because you're like, oh I kind of this and kind 484 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 2: of that, and let's just have this, isn't it? And 485 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 2: you're stressing about it, and before you even order the food, 486 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 2: you're thinking about what oil and this and that. It's 487 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 2: just like when you can choose to avoid it, especially 488 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,360 Speaker 2: when you're looking at home, when you're buying groceries, when 489 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 2: you're out, try to but it's like it's not like, 490 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 2: you know, I'm not obsessed with. 491 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 1: I will say said like a true burger, Oh, I'm 492 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: not obsessive compulsive about it. 493 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 2: But we're like but people like that, Like the average 494 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,479 Speaker 2: person that you hang out with is kind of like that, 495 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 2: like I can't eat this kind of that in La 496 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 2: Yeah and Byron and like you know, yeah, a lot 497 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 2: of like affluent kind of cities and places like everyone's 498 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,479 Speaker 2: like and they don't even know half the stuff. 499 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: I also think you're in the circles of people like 500 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: you're a model, right, so you're you're hanging around other models. 501 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 2: You're hanging around. 502 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: Influencers, actors and stuff that people. 503 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,120 Speaker 2: A couple like model friends. But yeah, but but. 504 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 1: Like you're hanging around people where their currency is also 505 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 1: their physicality, and so you do need to give a 506 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: shit about the way that you look. 507 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, but so much of it is just like it's 508 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 2: on trend. So much of it it's like, oh, I 509 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 2: read that. You know, Beyonce doesn't eat I don't know, 510 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 2: fucking peanuts, whatever it is, you know, like got it, 511 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 2: you know what I mean? You're sharing this nicely, though. 512 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 2: I like it. I like to figure it out and 513 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 2: like actually look into it and go, Okay, there's a 514 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 2: reason I'm not having seat doles when possible, because they 515 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:44,959 Speaker 2: are super fucking bad for you. And you look at 516 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 2: the research and going Okay, this is something I want 517 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 2: to avoid. Yeah, okay, I know I like that when 518 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 2: it comes like gluten and stuff, it's like, yeah, whatever, 519 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 2: I'm sweet but love a bit of sour though you 520 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,880 Speaker 2: just had a bagel before. It's hard to get good 521 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 2: sourdo here. I haven't found any yet, okay, like you 522 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 2: the proper? Yeah, like Bay, I don't know. I don't 523 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 2: have any sustainable sourda Where do you get that? I 524 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 2: don't know. I'm gluten free. I've always been. I've been 525 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,719 Speaker 2: gluten free for a fucking eye. But so looping them 526 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 2: are as a hole in the market. 527 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. People famously say bread is bad in America. Australian 528 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: is famous to say the bread and the coffee. But 529 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: I feel like coffee is getting up there now. 530 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 2: Yeah coffe. 531 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 1: This might be too premature to ask you this question, 532 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,640 Speaker 1: but is there anything about Byron Bay that you're missing? 533 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 2: I don't really miss it yet, but like I definitely 534 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 2: will be missing like this, the morning surfs and the 535 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 2: clear water. I miss the beach swims. I haven't swim 536 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 2: in the beach here. But it kind of like my 537 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 2: visa was a bit delayed. Once it was like accepted 538 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 2: it took a bit longer that shootout to get to me. 539 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 2: So I was kind of every day getting the water 540 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 2: and surfing with whales and dolphins, and I was also like, 541 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 2: get me the fuck out of here, like yeah, it 542 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 2: wasn't really appreciating it. Yeah, and then I kind of 543 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 2: got to a point. It's like I need to be 544 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 2: grateful as possible because once I get to a certain 545 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 2: point overseas and we're really going to miss this. I 546 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,959 Speaker 2: do miss it, but it's sweet. There's still the ocean here. 547 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 2: I can still serve. You mentioned maybe July fourth or 548 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 2: head down to Encinitas or somewhere like oh prettier and yeah, 549 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 2: getting the water a bit more cool. Figure it out. 550 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 1: You mentioned on your stories like air quality. Do you 551 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: notice the difference in the air quality here? 552 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 2: Yeah? Do you know what I noticed? 553 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: Like my eyes, the whites of my eyes feel less 554 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 1: clear here. And even if I've got a clean diet 555 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: and dishornering and yogur ing and stuff, and I think 556 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 1: it's the pollution. 557 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and just even at the boxing gym, like I 558 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 2: train at a gym that's on Melrose shout out to 559 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 2: Lobos sick place. Yeah, it just hits different, Like it 560 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 2: feels like every breath you take you're getting like half 561 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 2: the amount of Like that sounds crazy, but you get 562 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 2: like half minute oxygen, like you just like and then 563 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 2: you're doing a run around the block and it's on 564 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 2: this busy road and like even scientists say you shouldn't 565 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 2: be jogging or doing like any kind of cardio around 566 00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:00,360 Speaker 2: busy highways freeways because you're breathing that carbon monoxide deep 567 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 2: into your lungs tracks. This is why I don't want 568 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 2: to live here forever. I want to go back and forth, 569 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 2: I think, if you know, I both like that dream. 570 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the fifty to fifty, like the split between 571 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,360 Speaker 1: Byron and La is a good split. 572 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 2: Split life living. So it's all about big time. 573 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 1: So again this one might also be premiature, but like 574 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,360 Speaker 1: what's the dream? And I know you say, like you're 575 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 1: open to like whatever it ends up looking like being. 576 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: But like if we could look into a crystal ball 577 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 1: and like have a squizze at like three years down 578 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: the line for you, that's the Yeah, your visa will 579 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 1: be up for a mule. Then, like what would you 580 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 1: like to have achieve thirty six? Oh my god, I'm 581 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: thirty seven. Don't make me feel shit about my eye. 582 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 2: You always go on around. Just thirty seven feel old 583 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 2: to you? He averted his eyes. 584 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,919 Speaker 1: Then, like, what do you mean does that feel like 585 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: an older age? Like, are you like forty two feels old? 586 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: You're thirty two, thirty three this year and that feels old. No, 587 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: I don't choose to feel old, but the age itself, 588 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: when I think about it, I still have the perspective 589 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 1: that it's like I'm like, oh, am, I where I 590 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: want to be at this point? Like you know, but 591 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: I felt like that ever since I turned twenty six. 592 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I had a meltdown on my twenty 593 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 1: six birthday. I was like, I'm over my mid twenties. 594 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 2: Did you Yeah, this is true, vir guy. I also, yeah, 595 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 2: with a lot of the dumb shit I did growing up, 596 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 2: I kind of assumed that I might have like not 597 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 2: been here that long. And I got to like thirty, 598 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 2: I was like, oh shit, Okay, shit's real. 599 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: So when you were younger, did you live a very 600 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 1: fearless life because you didn't think you were going to 601 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: have a long life? 602 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 2: Is that what you're saying in a way, Yeah, I 603 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 2: did a lot of stupid things and like had it 604 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 2: took a lot of physical risks and had a few 605 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,679 Speaker 2: close calls and you know, I was riding bikes and 606 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 2: just I don't know, did a lot of shit, being 607 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 2: a bit of rascal. Yeah, I had a few close 608 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 2: calls and it's like, yeah, well there's definitely a chance 609 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 2: and it didn't freak me out that much. 610 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,679 Speaker 1: I guess that was my next question, what's your relationship 611 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: with death? 612 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:02,120 Speaker 2: Like, I know that's a really harsh it's quite positive 613 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 2: in the sense. I think it kind of changed when 614 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 2: I started doing psychedelics, specifically mushrooms. It kind of changed 615 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 2: my relationship because I've had trips where I've had ego 616 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 2: death and then come back, which is essentially like mini death. 617 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 2: It's like a mini death. Yeah, and I guess it 618 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 2: kind of changed my views on what happens afterwards, and 619 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 2: it made me not as scared in a weird way. 620 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 2: Like I don't know, there's been situations where things have 621 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 2: been like pretty uh, pretty sketch, and like I'm kind 622 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 2: of like, well, as long as I was you know, 623 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 2: dead and not disabled, I think i'd be yeah, see, 624 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 2: you're sweet. But it's kind of like I don't know 625 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 2: when I was young, I was just kind of like 626 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 2: I was pretty off the rail, especially when I was 627 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 2: like in my early twenties and that, and I was 628 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 2: just kind of like, whatever, whatever happens happens. 629 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: And you've talked about this on both your pod and 630 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: my pot as well, but you got kicked out. 631 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 2: I'm real young, like sixteen, yeah, and that was like 632 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 2: a rough year. Like I remember like fucking a couple, yeah, 633 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 2: a couple of close calls that year. I mean it 634 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 2: got fucking got held up once, I got stabs. He 635 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 2: got stabbed scar on on the right chest. Guy trying 636 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 2: to hold me up, just like randomly trying and hold 637 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 2: you up, and he stabbed you. I was like, I 638 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 2: was like taking my last ten dollars to get a 639 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 2: fucking job. And then like it kind of escalated and 640 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 2: I got bottled as well. The same year, I was 641 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 2: like over the head. Yeah, So there was a fight 642 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 2: broke out in front of me. I was literally crossing 643 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 2: a road and this guy threw a long neck at 644 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 2: some guy that was in front of me, and it 645 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 2: got you. It hit me like smashed over my face. 646 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 2: I had a hole in my ear, had like glass 647 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 2: all through my head. I woke up in like a bathroom. 648 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 2: My mate's holding me over like a sink, pulling like 649 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 2: glass out of my head. Oh, like you didn't go 650 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 2: to hospital? No, I was just like whatever saying when 651 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 2: I got stabbed, I literally went to a bab store 652 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 2: and got band aids. What. Yeah, your life is like 653 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 2: a movie. It was pretty craz and then, like, I 654 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 2: mean that kind of set the stage for like my 655 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 2: like teens. You know, like there's a lot of crazy 656 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 2: shit that went down. 657 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 1: And well, you're kind of in a rough crowd in Melbourne? 658 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 2: Is that kind of what you were? So it was 659 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 2: a rough crowd. I think Melbourne was just rough growing up, 660 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 2: and like when you're a kid and you're like, you know, 661 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 2: would be out all night and just yeah, you'd end 662 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 2: up in situations where things would like she would hit 663 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 2: the fan. 664 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: So when you got kicked out of home, did you 665 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: move in with a mate or like someone did? 666 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. I had a really good friend and his parents 667 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 2: like super super welcoming, and they had this huge house 668 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 2: not too far from where I grew up. So I 669 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 2: ended up living there for the most part. And they 670 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 2: were really good because they kind of set good boundaries 671 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 2: in terms of like what to do in the house, 672 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 2: but they're also like, you can do whatever you want, 673 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 2: So we kind of got to make decisions that sometimes 674 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 2: got us sense of shit. But when we're at home, 675 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 2: it was like, Okay, we take time in cooking, and 676 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 2: like everyone respects each other. You're a good cook. Yeah, 677 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 2: I think that kind of helped. 678 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. 679 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 2: I love food, and so yeah, I had to learn 680 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 2: how to cook. Wow. 681 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: Okay, So not to change channels too much, but what 682 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: do you love about the US? Like what is it 683 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: that you love? Like what's sport you here? Like LA 684 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: is amazing, but it's also brutal and it's a bit 685 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: of a beast. And I heard an actor, really successful 686 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: act to say it's literally designed to boot you out, 687 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 1: Like Ala is set up to make you fail. 688 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 2: It really is, Like I don't care what anyone says. 689 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 2: It's so hard, and I know you say that, But 690 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 2: at the same time, like the situations you end up 691 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 2: in here and the connections you can get. Like even 692 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 2: in the last five days, I've like been hanging out 693 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 2: with some people that are like could potentially open doors 694 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 2: for me and like and that's just from like by 695 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 2: chance going to dinner with a friend and then like, yeah, 696 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 2: this guy does this, this guy's a screenwriter, this guy 697 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 2: produces that, and it's just like and you know, you're 698 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 2: just fresh and you have all this like fresh new 699 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 2: young energy and they're like, Oh, we're going to catch 700 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 2: up again. I'd love to talk to you about this 701 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 2: potential thing Like that's why I'm here, that kind of 702 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 2: energy and that doesn't exist very much. 703 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: In Australia totally, and I fully agree, like it's the 704 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 1: opportunity that is here. The other thing about here, though, 705 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 1: is there is a famous saying there is no such 706 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: thing as a. 707 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 2: Bad meeting in LA. 708 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: So you'll have a meeting like what you just described, 709 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: but sometimes not all the time. It's hot air like 710 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: stuff won't come from it. Yeah, for sure, And that's 711 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:17,959 Speaker 1: the negative side of LA. 712 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 2: But I mean like every meeting in Australia seems to 713 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 2: be like that. Every meeting is yeah, and every meetings 714 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 2: radia like blowing smoke up your ass. 715 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 1: And then you like, can you lose gigs from doing 716 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 1: reality too? But are you allowed to say that? 717 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 2: Yeah? Not one hundred percent like that. The last show 718 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 2: I did was like an absolute fucking fail on my healf. 719 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 2: I basically signed a contract for a concept which changed 720 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 2: and changed and changed by the time it came to fruition. 721 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 2: It's this absolute travesty bullshit running the Mill reality show. 722 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 2: And I was kind of like, bom, I'm already too deep, 723 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 2: everything's signed off on, so I just kind of rolled 724 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 2: with it, and like, I'm totally happy with the character 725 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 2: I played. I was playing myself essentially, but yeah, it 726 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 2: made me lose work. And I think that just comes 727 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 2: down to the way Australia tries to be cool in 728 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 2: terms of real the TV's in or real TV's out. 729 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 2: Oh we do like this now, like regardless of who 730 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 2: you are on that show, you can kind of just 731 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 2: get pigeonholders, like being a bad I don't even know 732 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 2: what it is, but like, yeah, I lost literally like 733 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 2: like a lot of work because of that, and I 734 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 2: was just like, well, fucking whatever. 735 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: I remember you'd come over to our house and you'd 736 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,719 Speaker 1: be like, fuck, I just lost this massive gig I 737 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: was so excited for because like someone had like googled 738 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 1: you and figured out that you've been on a reality 739 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 1: show recently, and it's. 740 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 2: Just like fuck, like that that's not giving. 741 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 1: Whereas in America and I find as well, like in Australia, 742 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: like it's really hard to get acting representation because they're like, well, no, 743 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: you're a nutritionist. Really yeah, it's so I've had so 744 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: many nights. But whereas here people like you're a nutritionist. Amazing, 745 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: They're like, oh what else do you do? 746 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 2: Like amazing? Here they're like do you have five passions? Great? 747 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: In Australia, it's a bit I've found, like it's like, well, no, 748 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 1: stain you laane lolla, you're a health and wellness expect I. 749 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 2: Think it comes down to this like scarcity complex in Australia. Actually, 750 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 2: the day before I left, my boxing trainer said something 751 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 2: to me because I was chatting to him about this 752 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 2: exact thing, and he goes, in Australia, people don't clap 753 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 2: for you, and I find that so fucking true. Like 754 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 2: your good mates, yeah, they'll like hype you up, but generally, 755 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 2: like if you're out and you meet someone and you're like, oh, yeah, 756 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 2: I just like did this cool thing? Sign this deal? 757 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 2: I don't know. They're just like competition, look like competition, well, 758 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 2: there's less work, so there is a reason for that, yeah, 759 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,359 Speaker 2: but there's not You're not going to get more work 760 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 2: by like being in that mindset and doesn't create anything 761 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,240 Speaker 2: for you. I just got to like hype up anyone. 762 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 2: That's if anyone's doing something cool it you don't know 763 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 2: the fucking work they're put in, so like give them 764 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 2: some kudos and then be like, yeah, fucking good on you. 765 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: I famously say, like in acting school in Australia, you'll 766 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: go up and do a scene and you'll finish the 767 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,720 Speaker 1: scene and no one will clap. In acting school in America, 768 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 1: you'll do that same scene and everyone or chief exhibit 769 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: a yeah, yeah totally, Which is which is the beautiful 770 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: thing about Like Americans love to cheat you on like that. 771 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: They're phenomenal at it. But the thing that I think 772 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 1: you'll find that you miss which is so amazing about 773 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,760 Speaker 1: Australia is there's no there's less fake. 774 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 2: Your face is like no, low, I disagree with you. 775 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,279 Speaker 2: Less fake like America or in Australia. 776 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,320 Speaker 1: Like like no, less fake in Australia, Like Australia's quite grounded. 777 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you hang out with influences in Australia. You 778 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 2: say that, but I don't like name one like you're like, oh, 779 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 2: you're part of that scene. It's like, okay, I work 780 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 2: within those industries, okay, and I have friends within them. 781 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 2: I love that you're comfortable enough with me. These are 782 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 2: these people that I'm like investing a lot of time 783 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 2: into that. You see me hanging out with you, see 784 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 2: you hang out with your boyfriend half the time, my 785 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 2: best it's a builder. Yeah, this is true. People hang 786 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 2: out with aren't like part of some crowd. I'm okay, 787 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 2: that's fair. Oh we'll cop that one. I think that 788 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 2: is fair. People way more genuine not I don't know 789 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 2: about downtow way more genuine here. Like in Australia, you 790 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 2: go for meetings or you meet someone and they're like, 791 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,840 Speaker 2: oh I love that you whatever, and we should work together, 792 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 2: and they're like you never hear from them again, Whereas 793 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 2: in America you meet someone and they'll be like, oh 794 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 2: i'd love to you know, the same kind of conversation, 795 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 2: and the next day they'll find you even if you 796 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 2: don't give them a contact, and they're like, yo, let's 797 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 2: do this thing. Yeah. I find it way more like 798 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,799 Speaker 2: fucking genuine here. Okay, No, no, I like that. 799 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 1: I think I think the thing that that I've noticed 800 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: with like a lot of Aussies. Once they make it here, 801 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 1: Australia kind of gets on board and it's like yes, yes, 802 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 1: So like you've noticed that the time you're here, when 803 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 1: you go back to Australia, Australia. 804 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 2: Be like, oh yeah, elliots, what are you doing? What 805 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 2: are you up to? What are you up to? Like 806 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,359 Speaker 2: you'll notice like that it does build. We'll see how 807 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 2: things play out. Yeah, it's exciting. Well, I like, I 808 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,799 Speaker 2: like a little debate with you. Okay, what other questions? 809 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 1: I've got a couple more questions here, and then we're 810 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,359 Speaker 1: wrapping it and you're about to You're about to take 811 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 1: me to the gym, aren't you? 812 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 2: Yeah? 813 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:53,879 Speaker 1: Okay, oh okay, the four last questions. But I feel 814 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 1: like we've kind of hit these in the last bit 815 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 1: of the combo. 816 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:57,760 Speaker 2: So I'm just gonna like wheedle it down. 817 00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 1: But I feel like you've nailed it with the way 818 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 1: that you kind of like talked about what you like 819 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 1: and dislike about Australia versus LA. But I was I 820 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 1: I ask myself this, like what do you love? You've 821 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 1: nailed it, but what do you love about Byron? But 822 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:12,400 Speaker 1: what do you not like about it? Is it that 823 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 1: it's small. You love that, it's like nature, you can 824 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 1: get yourself on all that kind of thing. But then 825 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 1: you dislike that small mindedness that you were talking about 826 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:21,840 Speaker 1: and that like scarcity mindset. 827 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's not so much Byron. I think 828 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 2: that's just like a bit of like a creative industry 829 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 2: in Australia can be bit like that. Barron specifically, I 830 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:31,960 Speaker 2: don't really see like a place where I'm like, I'm 831 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,279 Speaker 2: here to work and it's like I just I'm there 832 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,720 Speaker 2: because I fucking love it. Yeah, I love yeah, exactly. 833 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,960 Speaker 2: I love waking up and surfing and the fact that 834 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 2: I'm in the world of dolphins everybody morning and yeah, 835 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 2: and like obviously got my crew there. Like you know, 836 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,359 Speaker 2: I've only got like a handful of good friends, but 837 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:47,359 Speaker 2: like they're all really tight. 838 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 1: And yeah, Matt missus you so much already, Like he 839 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 1: was when I told him last night that we were 840 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,360 Speaker 1: doing this to day, he was like, stuff, you both, 841 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 1: I miss you both. 842 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,279 Speaker 2: I hope that feels like shit because he's meant to 843 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 2: be here and is there one that hopped out? 844 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:06,839 Speaker 1: Next year he'll be here. N I want to end 845 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 1: with what is your in and out order? 846 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,760 Speaker 2: Two? Double doubles, no cheese, fresh onion and sider chips, 847 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,799 Speaker 2: that's it. What type of chips do you get? Animal style? 848 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:18,919 Speaker 2: I don't do the I don't like that, like fake 849 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 2: American cheese, and I don't like cheese and burgers. Yeah 850 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:23,840 Speaker 2: I know so. And you can't do dairy it foxy 851 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 2: guts right, do a bit, but like that stuff like 852 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 2: you don't even know what's in that. They don't know, 853 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,920 Speaker 2: like the double doubles, like you know it's good, so 854 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 2: it's double double tube. Yeah, so two of those. And 855 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,719 Speaker 2: do you get it on the regular bun? Yeah? Yeah, 856 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,759 Speaker 2: I do the naked one sometimes, like the lettuce bawn. 857 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 2: The bunn is so young though exactly, I'm not that fast. 858 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,880 Speaker 2: It's like whatever, I'm going to go train sweet, sweat 859 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 2: it out. It's like sixtings of sugar. 860 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, one of my favorite things in and 861 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:55,279 Speaker 1: out and it's not a healthy thing to admit, but 862 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:56,720 Speaker 1: the strawberry thick shake, Oh. 863 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,440 Speaker 2: My god, it's so good. I wish I could drink that. 864 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,840 Speaker 1: You feel terrible, like you want to fall asleep straight after, 865 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,440 Speaker 1: but when it hits your lips, it's fucking delicious. 866 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 2: I can't drink like milk like that and like just 867 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,799 Speaker 2: straight up like a fucking milkshake that would make me 868 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,319 Speaker 2: super sick. Yeah yeah, yeah, and I wish I could 869 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 2: because I crave it sometimes. Ah. Hey, thanks for jumping 870 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 2: on the pod, pledge mate. Did you enjoy it? Yeah, 871 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 2: it's great, nice to catch up. Nice to see you 872 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 2: in the flesh. 873 00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,359 Speaker 1: I feel so lucky to see you because I've been 874 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,239 Speaker 1: quite a little lone soldier over here. 875 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,479 Speaker 2: I've been here for four months now, maybe five four 876 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,360 Speaker 2: over Yeah, another Ozzie in the mix. Yeah, thank you, 877 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:37,440 Speaker 2: all right, hooru. Friend. 878 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:45,480 Speaker 1: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always, 879 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:49,000 Speaker 1: thank you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation 880 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,759 Speaker 1: on Instagram. I'm at Yamo lollaberry. 881 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 2: This potty my word for podcast is available on all 882 00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,839 Speaker 2: streaming platforms. 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