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Speaker 3: Good morning, Thank you, Katie. Chief. Busy morning for you.

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Speaker 2: I know that you've been out this morning obviously making

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Speaker 1: That's right. I guess it shows these things can happen

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Speaker 2: Now let's talk Victoria Melbourne specifically that hot spot declaration

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Speaker 1: So it's a national arrangement around your hand about how

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Speaker 2: Just to go back to those arrangements with the federal

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Speaker 2: They are Liquor Land as I understand it, added Oasis

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Speaker 3: When did you realize that these.

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Speaker 2: Applications would also fall under this legislative change, meaning that

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Speaker 1: From memory on the Tuesday, so in briefing sessions, I

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Speaker 2: Now, my understanding is that the Director of Liquor Licensing

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Speaker 3: Is that correct?

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Speaker 1: I think this is important point to clarify. They may

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Speaker 1: But it's may not won't.

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Speaker 3: Is that appropriate in your eyes?

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Speaker 1: Well, it's about you need to take on all the

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Speaker 2: Okay, So what about then, is it a situation where

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Speaker 2: once a decision has been made, the reasons behind the

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Speaker 1: No, that's not true.

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Speaker 3: So they will be made public.

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Speaker 2: So whichever decision, whether you're talking about you know, those

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Speaker 2: there is now an understanding that all of those the

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Speaker 1: The Director of Licensing will release a statement of reasons

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Speaker 2: Decision, okay, and it'll go into to the extent of

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Speaker 1: That's my that's my understanding. Worst reasons will.

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Speaker 1: Not that I'm aware of.

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Speaker 3: Should there have been?

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Speaker 1: Do you reckon well, the Sister General. That's not really

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Speaker 2: Normally, Okay, I mean you at all concerned that this

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Speaker 1: That's not my understanding. No one's raised anything with me

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Speaker 1: that would be an undertended consequence. So this is simply

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Speaker 2: Look, I think for me, I know, and I know

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Speaker 2: that there's lots of people out there listening as well

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Speaker 2: who'll feel the same. You know, some of these decisions

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Speaker 2: they've been in the you know, like in the pipeline

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Speaker 2: want to get some clarification whether they can or cannot

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Speaker 2: even with Dan Murphy's you know, you've got people raising

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Speaker 1: I think there's a couple of things to bear in

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Speaker 1: but they seem like very obvious things for a director

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Speaker 1: so it's not breaking news that you now something about

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Speaker 1: But it's not going to something introduce alcohol into darn

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Speaker 2: I know the Independent Liquor Commissioner Richard Coates. He's told

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Speaker 1: So. So these are what four years running. I don't

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Speaker 1: loss of license. You can make the decision. So we're

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Speaker 1: simply seeking for a decision we made. I don't know

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Speaker 1: but we're simply saying we want a final decision made

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Speaker 1: and I'll move on with it.

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Speaker 2: I know that mister co has also told the ABC

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Speaker 3: Are you concerned that they are going to resign.

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Speaker 1: I'm very grateful for the work they've done today, and

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Speaker 2: Look, there is one other thing that I do want

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Speaker 2: But I'll tell you what I think that I and

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Speaker 3: Like, to me, that is just unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: I mean, are you concerned that this is a situation

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Speaker 1: So unfortunately this is not isolated and it comes and

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's intense of kid, not a youth

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Speaker 1: It puts a big workload on police and territory families.

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Speaker 1: And you always go back to the question you asked

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Speaker 1: forgive me forever, says before you want the police to

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Speaker 1: What's going on and make decisions of territory of families

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Speaker 1: safe house. It's a safe place for me. There needs

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Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, and something's broken if the police are taking

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Does somebody else step in and say, will is this

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Speaker 1: Well? That triggers Territory Families and the work they're doing

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Speaker 1: sends snarious alarm bells through government and territory families. As

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Speaker 1: you follow up, and I don't want to I don't

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Speaker 1: want to comment general chairs, but about how you do

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, oh, absolutely, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: We might actually see if we can get in contact

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Speaker 2: with the Minister for Territory Families, Kate Warden later on

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Speaker 2: in the week and speak in more.

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Speaker 3: Depth about it. Chief Minister. We better leave it there.

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 1: Thank you