WEBVTT - Jaala Webster ITV STUDIOS AUSTRALIA - Producer 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.760 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:04.920 TV Reload the podcast last week. And welcome to older 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:08.399 new TV Reload listeners. My name is Benjamin Norris, and 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:11.440 this is your podcast to get all the insight goss 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:13.960 on the popular TV shows that you may be watching 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:16.799 from around the world. I focus on a variety of 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:22.000 reality shows, scripted dramas, comedies, and documentaries from freeoware channels 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:26.280 and our most popular streaming services. 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This episode of the podcast, I 0:00:57.600 --> 0:00:59.920 have someone I've been chasing to come on the pod 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:03.760 since the very first episode. It is ITV Studio Australia's 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:08.199 superstar EP and secret weapon Jarla Webster. Truth be told, 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:11.280 Jaala is usually locked away working on shows like I'm 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:14.840 a Celebrity, The Voice and Love Island Australia, especially at 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:17.480 the times that I usually would feature these shows. It 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:19.920 made sense to record this episode in the non ratings 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:22.360 period and this will be my last episode of the 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:25.199 summer series before I'm fully back on deck in twenty 0:01:25.240 --> 0:01:28.039 twenty three. Jala and I met when I was in 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:31.800 Big Brother through an unusual circumstance, as she produced and 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:34.800 voiced the show called Little Sister. Of course I was 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:37.280 a housemate and she was the voice of the title role, 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:40.959 but there was something extraordinarily magical about the impact that 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:43.200 she had on the housemates and you as an audience. 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:45.199 And I'd already signed on to do that twenty twelve 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:47.720 year a Big Brother and I always say that hilariously, 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:50.000 that's the show that kind of saved my career, or 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:52.520 like gave me the love of television again. 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:55.520 Finding her niche at the time was instrumental in shaping 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:58.200 where Jaala fit into the Australian television industry. 0:01:58.440 --> 0:01:59.760 That was the first show I'd ever done. It was 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:01.920 twenty for our turnaround, and like, that's sort of become 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:04.520 as something that I specialize in these days. 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:06.840 Having the skill set to know which story is to follow, 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:09.960 cut and put in the show is a real art form. 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:12.120 I'm a celebrity. You've got Casey John Evan. She starts 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:14.400 talking about being catfish and You're like, holy shit, this 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:15.960 is it, this is happening. We're going to go with 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:16.360 this story. 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:19.920 Obviously, we will find out who her favorite contestant of 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:20.639 all time is. 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:22.720 It's someone I can tell you now after watching him 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:24.960 for fifteen sixteen hours a day, like I've never seen 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:28.040 a person who is more true to themselves. 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:31.000 I will also ask about the villain edit and how 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:34.480 complicated it is to tell someone's true story over a season. 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:36.200 I would never go, well, I'm only going to show 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:37.880 the nasty parts of this person, because then we've got 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:38.360 our villain. 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:41.480 We will also get some pretty exclusive stories from Jarla, 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:44.000 and I feel like this chat is offering a new 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:47.639 voice that we really haven't heard from before. However, we 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:51.080 should probably bring Jarla into the podcast now, and I 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:55.040 really hope you enjoy this episode. Hi, Jarla, thank you 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:56.239 for doing the podcast. 0:02:57.080 --> 0:02:58.799 Hello, I'm very nervous. 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:01.680 Well, I'm excited to chat with you because you have 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:05.320 made so many of my favorite shows. I probably should 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:08.960 ask you what's been your favorite show that you've worked on. 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:10.959 Is there something that has stayed with you for a 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:14.519 very long time and feels very much like your own. 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:17.359 I definitely say Love Island is my favorite show. When 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:20.280 we went and made season one in Spain, you know, 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:22.520 we kind of got there and obviously we'd watch the 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:24.320 show and we knew the format, and we'd worked really 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:26.280 hard to kind of like think of what we would do, 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:28.480 and then when you get there and you're like, holy shit, 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:31.600 this is intense. And we were like, oh god, we're 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:33.520 way on the staff for this, and we weren't prepared 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:36.120 and well not prepared for what it actually ended up being. 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:39.320 And then that was amazing because the whole team, especially 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:42.000 with my post team, everyone was just like can we 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:44.160 do this? And it's like, all right, everyone just chuck 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:46.080 in and we're going to make this thing. And I've 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:48.480 never seen a group of people pull together more than 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:51.240 on that show. On that series, as we worked out 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:54.120 what the show was, and then it kind of evolved 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:56.040 within the making of that show of like how do 0:03:56.080 --> 0:03:58.480 we make it the Australian version, and a lot of 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:00.560 that was like we'd thought of things, but then it 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:02.000 was like, in the heat of the moment, all of 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:04.600 those things sort of changed and evolved to become the 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:06.160 very weird show that we now made. 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:08.200 Well, I want to go back to the start and 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:11.080 ask you how did you get started in television? Like 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:13.680 what was it about television that made you want to 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:14.160 work in it? 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:16.920 So I thought I was going to be a news 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:19.440 journal and I went to university to do journalism, and 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:21.000 when I got there, I was like, oh, I don't 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:26.000 really like news that much. But there wasn't like reality 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:28.200 television like literally Big Brother very first season a Big 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:30.800 Brother in Australia was my first year of university, and 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:34.320 so being a producer wasn't a thing that you could study, Like, 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:36.719 there wasn't even really a name for that job yet. 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:39.240 So I just sort of remember being like, oh, I 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:41.800 want to do TV, but I don't want to do news, 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:44.520 so what is that? And it sort of took me 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:46.600 a few years and then yeah, I kind of ended 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:49.520 up working like lifestyle television things like that, and then yeah, 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:52.479 sort of almost like taught myself how to make reality television. 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:54.520 I was working for a really small production company and 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:56.800 they got like a pilot that they could make and 0:04:56.839 --> 0:04:58.600 they were like, you're the youngest person in the company, 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:01.200 so you must know how to make real television. So 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:03.920 I remember like watching all these episodes of like weird 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:07.159 shows from America and going, oh, so if there's a scene, 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:09.040 then you have to do an interview about that scene, 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:10.640 and then that's where you would cut it in. Like 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:13.120 I literally watched things and tried to teach myself the 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:15.800 format of reality and then yeah, eventually I kind of, 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:17.719 you know, obviously got to be a big girl and 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:19.320 go and work on big television shows. 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:21.800 After that, what was the first big show that you 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:22.599 got to work on. 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:24.440 I'm still based in Brisbane and I was living in 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:28.279 Brisbane and I applied to go and work on the 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:30.800 second season of Master Chef. The first season of Master 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:32.400 Chef just like blew my mind, Like I think it 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:34.000 blew the Lord of Australia's mind. It was like the 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:37.200 production qualities and like the way they made the show. Yeah, 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:38.880 so I got to go down and I worked on 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:42.159 the second season of that, and I was so nervous, 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:45.640 but yes, it all worked out. Fantastically And yeah, no, 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:46.840 I absolutely loved it. 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:49.479 What would you tell yourself now that you're at this 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:52.000 stage of your career, what advice would you give yourself 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:55.160 starting on that big you know, it's a huge show master. 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:58.520 Chef, Probably that just because you've worked on small shows 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:01.960 doesn't mean that you're skill set is any different. In fact, 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:04.039 maybe it makes your skill set bigger when you work 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:06.719 on really small shows or small productions, like maybe in 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:09.880 regional places or like smaller you know, kind of areas 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:12.080 that like you actually have to do everything because there 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:16.120 isn't like a massive crew, so you actually probably have 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:17.880 a lot more skills than you realize. So when I 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:19.680 got there, I was like trying to like lift the 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:21.720 lights up and help the crew pack down, and they're like, 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:23.440 what the hell are you doing? That's not your job, 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:24.520 Go away. 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:30.719 That's amazing. I guess what was your first impression of 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:32.839 working in Australian television. 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:35.919 I mean, I think when I first got to Sydney 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:38.040 and I was working on those bigger shows, one thing 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:40.400 that like really struck me and inspired me was that 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:42.839 like a lot of the EPs were women, like a 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:45.200 huge amount and still to this day, like a huge 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:49.600 amount of Australian television is run by female EPs and 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:51.919 watching them do it and just being like, yeah, I 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:53.919 think it was like a whole group of us, you know, 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:56.240 girls that were kind of like maybe mid twenties at 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:57.920 that point and thinking I'm going to do that one 0:06:58.000 --> 0:06:59.680 day and there are all the people who are EPs. 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:03.359 Now, what did working on something like Big Brother teach you? 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:05.599 And was that a bit of a turning point for 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:07.760 you in your career in twenty. 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:11.480 Twelve, Yeah, I was actually thinking about getting out of television, 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:13.720 and I'd already signed on to do Big Brother. I'd 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:14.920 had kind of you know, you just sort of have 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:16.400 a couple of bad jobs and you think, come, maybe 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:18.880 I'm not good at this anymore. And I'd already signed 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:20.720 on to do that twenty twelve year a Big Brother, 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:23.240 And I always say that hilariously, that's the show that 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:25.760 kind of saved my career or like gave me the 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:28.800 love of television again. That was the first show I'd 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:30.600 ever done that was twenty four hour Turnaround and like 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:33.920 that's sort of become something that I specialize in these days, 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:37.760 and I love, love, love twenty four hour Turnaround because 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:40.800 it's it's real it's true. It's literally happening right there 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:43.560 in front of you. My job on that first season 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:46.880 was a control room producer, So you're literally sitting in 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:50.160 the control room watching all of you guys for got 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:52.240 up to like fifteen hours a day, and it's your 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:54.600 job because there's obviously, as you know, there's a million 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:57.040 things happening in that house, so it's your job to 0:07:57.120 --> 0:07:59.360 decide which two things are going on stream because we're 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:03.440 not recording it everything, so you're constantly hunting around looking 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:05.400 for stories, going like is there something better happening in 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:07.320 the bathroom? Is there something better happening in the kitchen? 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:09.559 And sometimes you kind of flick over and like listen, 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:11.840 and you'd be like, holy shit, the best thing that's 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:13.440 ever happened on this show is currently happening, and I 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:15.040 don't have it on streat. You're like, and it was 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:19.200 so exciting and it was so yeah, it really It 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:23.080 completely changed my passion for television and I absolutely love 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:25.360 Big Brother as a format, and before I did Love Island, 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:26.800 Big Brother was definitely my favorite. 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:28.880 I still think Love Island in a way is a 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:29.960 derivative of. 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:34.960 Oh exactly because it's it's people. The only shift is 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:36.840 when I first saw when I first saw Love Island, 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:39.120 I thought, you know, what they've done. They've taken the 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:41.400 best part of Big Brother and just made it that 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:44.200 because like the funnest, most exciting part of any Big 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:47.200 Brother season is when there's a romance and you're watching 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:49.120 the brewing romance and you're waiting to see if they're 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:51.120 actually going to kiss and all of those things. And 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:53.960 so it's like they've taken like the most exciting storylines 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:55.920 you can get from Big Brother and made that the format. 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:58.520 I one hundred percent think they're like one hundredercent linked 0:08:58.559 --> 0:08:59.200 in that sense. 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:02.120 I think it's why I like Love Island because I 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:04.960 love Love Island Australia because it does remind me of 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:09.160 that social experiment element that was so well captured with 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:11.520 Big Brother. You know, you do get a chance to 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:14.120 really get to know these people. We get to see 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:18.880 longer conversations on Love Island Australia, which I absolutely love. 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:21.440 We actually feel like we get to know these people 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:23.200 because we can hear everything that they're saying. 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:25.680 One thing that we did, especially in this past season, 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:29.760 we had two beach huts, which is basically the die room, 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:31.880 you know, like where they come and do that kind 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:34.480 of confessional interview, and we had two of them this year, 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:37.480 so we could actually do longer interviews with everyone, and 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:41.640 we spent a lot more time giving them a space 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:44.040 to really unpack their thoughts and feelings, which in the 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:45.920 past sometimes you're busy. You know, you've got, like said, 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:48.080 sometimes you've got like seventeen islanders and you just got 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:50.000 to punch through all of them. And I think, not 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:53.400 only are we giving you bigger chunks of their conversations, 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:55.840 but then we're giving you bigger chunks of their inner monologue, 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:58.880 which you know, because not everyone says the thing that 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:01.320 they want to say in a scene, but then if 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:03.320 they can then kind of explain to you in their interview, 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:05.280 damn it, this is the thing I wish I'd said 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:06.920 to him as he was saying that thing to me. 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:09.880 You have the full kind of experience of them, and 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:11.600 that's why I think you get to know them better. 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:14.840 So we worked really hard to give them space to 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:17.559 give us more in depth kind of in a monologue, 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:20.560 and then we had really beautiful stuff that we could 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:22.760 use then in the edit. So I do I think 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:26.400 we worked really hard to make them very full rounded characters, 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:28.440 not just I like this boy. 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:31.480 It was the best season of Love Island I've seen 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:34.000 from around the world, and I watch it everywhere, and 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:36.400 it was so It was because it was so funny 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:40.160 as well, Like I can't remember laughing at any other 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:42.520 series of any other show as much as I was 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:45.280 laughing along with these people. The best scene of that 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:48.480 whole thing was where they were the girls were together 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:52.200 and they were talking about like mystical creatures and being like, 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:53.640 do you believe in a mermaid? 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:57.560 Do you, guys believe in mermaids? I believe in mermaids. 0:10:58.120 --> 0:10:59.880 Every single thing is real, because how. 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:00.640 Do they come up with that? 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:03.600 You know, it's like mythological, like all their readings and 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:05.599 all that, Like, how does someone just like make it that? 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:08.880 I know, you can't think about it, guys. Is Back 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:11.480 in the day, people didn't have the eyesight. They didn't 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:14.000 have the glasses. You could see something, be a shadow. 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:16.080 They didn't have glasses to help them see so they 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:18.600 could be like me, right now, I probably think that's 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:19.959 like a fucking dragon. 0:11:19.600 --> 0:11:20.320 When it's a chair. 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:23.800 I think all of us are now smarter having born 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:27.760 witness to this conversation. I mean The other thing from 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:30.480 that scene, which you know kind of comes back to 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:33.800 me being a post person, is the way I think 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:36.760 it was Scottie Rouse cut it. I think they go, look, 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:38.920 I mean, without my glasses on, down there that chair, 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:40.720 that could be a dragon, and he cuts to this 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:43.200 empty shot of a chair, and it just makes it 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:45.960 so much funnier, you know, like they were very funny 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:48.199 class and then when they're already giving you funny stuff, 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:50.920 like we can keep adding on kind of extra layers 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:53.480 of like visual gags to it. That makes it even funnier. 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:55.839 So my partner and I we watched all of that together. 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:58.640 It's one show that we are non negotiable. We have 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:01.120 to watch the whole thing together. But we now say, 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:03.080 when we've been drinking, I've had too much to drink. 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:04.200 I mean, that could be a dragon. 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:07.400 My favorite part about La Violet is that, like it's 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:10.640 so dumb, but we're not pretending to be anything other 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:12.520 than that. But then it gives you all these like 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:15.479 very just odd kind of references. 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:19.719 Stella to me and Claudia, they were my favorites, but 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:22.800 that's because they were so real. They were so willing 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:25.760 to just be themselves and say silly things, you know. 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:28.400 Because I think both of them were exactly We never 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:30.480 showed them to be anything other than exactly who they were, 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:32.840 and like that is the true blessing of twenty four 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:36.400 hour turn Around. We don't have time to do anything 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:39.520 except tell the story for what it is and show 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:41.200 them to be exactly who they are. And you know, 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:43.640 I remember the first day that Stella walked into the 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:45.720 casting room and I was like, this girl has to 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:47.640 go on the show. Like she just went off on 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:49.960 this like random thing about she'd gone to buy seven 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:52.400 lip glosses because she was so nervous about the interview, 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:54.120 and I was like, did you wear any of the 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:55.920 lip glosses? And she's like no, but I've got them 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:57.520 all here. She pulled them out of her handbag and 0:12:57.520 --> 0:13:00.320 I was like, this girl is amazing. And she was 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:01.960 exactly that on the show. Like she was kind of 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:05.080 a perfect disaster, you know, but that's who she is, 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:07.680 so we weren't making her look like a disaster. That's 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:09.480 just who she is as a person. So that's my 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:11.679 favorite part about twenty for hours turn Around is that 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:15.680 like we can only tell what's actually happening, and honestly, 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:19.000 what happens, especially on the Violin. I mean, Big Brother 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:21.800 was the same. We couldn't script that shit. Like if 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:24.200 I went in me and I was like, what's going 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:27.320 to happen? Is Cassidy who was like shafted by like 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:30.079 Grant and now's the Taylor and they're clearly in love. 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:32.240 She's going to pick him again. People be like, that's 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:34.480 a terrible story arc. I'm like that, no one's gonna 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:37.400 believe that, But that's the stuff that happens. So it's 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:40.160 cool in the sense that you're watching it going I 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:42.719 can't believe they've just done that, And then you go, 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:44.600 how do I best tell this in the edit? Now? Like, 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:48.040 what do we bring to the truth of their insane 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:50.920 choices that's going to make it even more entertaining for 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:51.480 the audience? 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:53.680 Well, you brought us something really interesting, and that is 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:56.880 the audition process. And I mean, you've been quite instrumental 0:13:56.960 --> 0:13:58.960 in getting a lot of people cast on a lot 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:01.000 of these big shows that you've worked on. Is it 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:04.280 easy to know that someone in front of you behaving 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:07.239 a certain way in an interview is going to consistently 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:09.560 play that once you get them on the show. And 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:12.120 was there a way in which over time that you've 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:15.520 been able to try and make sure that happens. 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:18.400 You would like to believe that you're on it, but 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:23.360 there's definitely evidence that you can't always be on it, 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:25.800 Like there is definitely there is a person who I 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:28.120 won't name, who we put in the Big Brother House 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:30.120 one of the years that I did it, and I 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:33.120 was convinced that they were the biggest, greatest star that 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:36.440 we had ever ever met, and they just crumbled in 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:39.440 the house. And that's not to say that they faked 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:42.400 it with us, but I think environments can affect people. 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:44.160 And you can speak to this obviously because you lived 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:47.680 in that environment. Not everyone can live in a weird 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:53.120 bubble universe like Big Brother or like Love Island, or 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:56.640 like I'm a celebrity. So I don't think people necessarily 0:14:56.760 --> 0:14:59.920 have faked us out. It's just that the version of 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:02.080 that we saw when they were happy and free and 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:04.840 living their life and seeing their friends and family isn't 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:07.200 going to be the version of themselves that necessarily comes 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:09.280 through in the villa or the house or something like that. 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:11.040 But every now and then you get caught out and 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:15.040 you think, shit, yeah, we've stuffed it up here. 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:19.160 My mind's thinking about who this person is. Over I've 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:22.600 got lots of theories, but I remember very clearly the 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:24.800 last There was two things that Alex said to me 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:26.880 before I went into the house. I was literally it 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:29.160 was nighttime. It was twelve thirty at night and the 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:32.520 doors were about to open, and he said, just don't 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:33.320 stop talking. 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:37.440 Yeah, my biggest thing with anyone in any reality, So 0:15:37.480 --> 0:15:40.400 whether it's a you know, you're trapped in a house 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:43.280 kind of or mastership, it's like you have to go 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:45.880 with the experience. Don't fight against it. The worst possible 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:47.760 thing you can do is fight against the experience because 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:49.680 you're gonna have a shit time. You're going to constantly 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:51.560 wonder why you're there, and you're not going to be 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:53.360 giving the best version of yourself, Like you're not going 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:55.240 to be coming up great in the edit because like 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:58.640 you're clearly unhappy. Like you have to go in and 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:01.640 want to participate, Like don't be a person sitting in 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:04.200 the background watching stuff and being kind of cynical about it, 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:06.200 like be part of the thing. Like not that many 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:07.240 people get to do this. 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:10.000 Yeah, I pretty much thought, but from my experience with 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:12.760 Big Brother was that if anything was happening in the house. 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:16.760 I had to be somehow involved, and I had to 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:18.920 be really raw, and I had to be like because 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:20.880 it was uncomfortable to watch back at times. And I 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:24.120 think that's sometimes how contestants think they don't like the edit, 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:28.720 But when you are truly being yourself and being unfiltered, 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:31.400 it is uncomfortable. But it's real, you know. 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:33.760 Like lots of people always like, oh, the edit made 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:36.640 me look bad, and you know, I don't have that 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:38.920 much power, you know, like if you said or did 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:44.800 something uncomfortable, shitty, mean, I can't make you have said that, 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:47.400 you know, frank and grabbing doesn't work that way for 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:50.160 the most part. I can maybe heighten that by the 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:53.280 music choice of putting behind it or the next scene 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:55.240 I play that comes straight after that to kind of 0:16:55.320 --> 0:17:00.600 juxtapose what's just happened. But I can't make you unhappy, nasty, 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:03.320 you know, vindictive. I can't make you those things unless 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:05.679 there was an essence of that already there. So but 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:07.120 I do think it's just that it's hard for people 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:08.840 because no one really likes to think of themselves as 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:10.800 any of those negative qualities. So when you see it 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:12.880 on screen, you're like that's not me. And it's like, well, 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:15.040 it wasn't that moment, but maybe there's a reason why 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:17.680 you were that way. Your feelings were hurt, you were 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:20.000 kind of feeling cornered. It's like you blashed out in 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:22.080