WEBVTT - Aunty Queenie Hart, The Truth 0:00:04.600 --> 0:00:08.200 This is Curtain, a podcast where we expose the disappearances 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:11.720 of Aboriginal people across this country, shining a light on 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:15.080 the darkest parts of our justice system. We ask who 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:17.120 are the victims? I am aiming. 0:00:16.920 --> 0:00:21.560 Acquire and I'm Martin Hodgson, Senior Advocate at the Foreign 0:00:21.640 --> 0:00:22.959 Prisoner Support Service. 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:23.840 And a warning. 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:28.080 This series contains the names of deceased people and includes 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:31.200 distressing content that may upset some listeners. 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:38.800 Welcome to episode three of season two. I've gotten the podcast. 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:43.120 Today we bring you another story from Durmbo Country, a 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:47.120 story that ties in with the original investigation of this podcast, 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:50.960 which revolved around the death of an Aboriginal woman named 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:54.040 Linda on the banks of Tunnaba or the Fitzroy River 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:57.800 in my hometown of Rockhampden. Back when Martin and I 0:00:57.840 --> 0:01:01.680 were investigating Linda's story uncovering the truth about the wrongful 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:04.680 conviction of Kevin Henry, we heard of another death on Tuniba. 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:08.760 We heard about it from my father's Stirling macchuire. He 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:11.680 told us of another Aboriginal woman who had lost her 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:15.800 life by the banks of Tuniba in circumstances eerily similar 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:19.240 to that of Linda. The difference was that the perpetrator 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:22.479 in this case was a white man. We found out 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:24.440 that the woman who had lost her life was named 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:27.960 Queeny Hart. She was a walker walker woman from Sherburg, 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:32.080 a former Aboriginal mission in Queensland, only about two hours 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:35.680 from Brisbane. Queeny had been traveling and staying in Rockhampden 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:38.959 with family back in nineteen seventy five when she met 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:41.679 a white man named Stephen Keem who took her to 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:43.880 Tunaba one night and who left her there by that 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:48.720 river into humanizing circumstances where she died. Her wounds told 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:51.560 a story of brutal violence, and before the white man 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:54.800 was even named and charged, the newspapers spoke of the 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:59.160 likely culprit being a sadistic killer. However, by the next year, 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:02.160 when the trial Alpher murder came around, that white man 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:06.120 Stephen Keem, was not named as a sadistic killer. Instead, 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:10.320 he was defined by his employment as a railway fettler. Queenie, 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:14.399 in turn was dehumanized and said to be a prostitute, 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:18.600 although that is something her family have always denied. Stephen 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:21.480 Keam's charges of murder over the death of Queeny were 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:24.600 dropped within two hours of the trial beginning by the 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:28.880 judge who sided with his defense, which put Queeny on trial, 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:33.400 suggesting that her death was her responsibility. The irony was not. 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:34.040 Lost on us. 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:36.880 We were investigating a case where a black man had 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:39.600 been wrongfully convicted over the death of an Aboriginal woman, 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:43.639 while in another case years before, a white man who 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:47.399 all the evidence suggested was guilty, had walked free. When 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:50.120 I heard about Queeny's case, I spoke to Martin and 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:53.200 we got in contact with Debbie West, Queeny's niece, who 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:55.799 told us about her Auntie and how it had devastated 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:59.520 her family, mostly Queen's mother, Janie Hart. At the time 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:02.120 of Queen deef Annie Janey had wanted to bring Queeny 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:05.120 home for burial on country, but were cruelly denied that 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:08.959 right by the superintendent in Sherburg. You see, Sherberg was 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:11.520 still under the Aboriginal Protection Act at the time Queenie 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:14.960 was killed. It was a brutal policy in which the 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:17.920 residents of Sherburg who had been forcibly removed to that 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:22.720 area were likened to inmates, with their lives completely controlled 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:25.800 by the protectors and the police. In order to fight 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:29.000 for justice for Queenie. Martin and I decided to help 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:32.840 Debbie's family bring Queenie home to Sherburg for a proper burial. Today, 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:36.240 we decided to revisit Queeney's story for the podcast by 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:39.160 bringing you the voice of Debbie West. We spoke to 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:41.840 her on the phone from her home in Brisbane. 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:47.360 I'll start by asking Debbie, what was your earliest memories 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:50.240 of hearing about Auntie Queeny. 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:55.119 My earliest memory would have been when I was probably. 0:03:57.240 --> 0:03:59.800 And did you know that at that age what had 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:00.840 had happened to Auntie? 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:01.320 No? 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:03.760 Oh, I just knew that she passed away. 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:08.160 Yeah, And when did you first find out what had happened? 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:12.000 Well, grandmother, my grandmother never talked about it. 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:16.159 Right, So was it only until after she passed away 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:17.599 that you found out what happened? 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:21.360 Very later after she passed away, because we only just 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:25.279 knew that she passed away, and you know, in them days, 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:29.520 we didn't question in how she passed away or anything 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:30.960 got that there? Yeah? 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:34.320 Oh yeah, And do you remember what your reaction was 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:37.400 when you found out what had actually happened to Annie Queeney. 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:41.839 My reaction is I didn't believe it at first, Yeah, 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:45.640 And I was trying to comprehend the news when I 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:49.520 actually heard about it. When I spoke to HAMI. 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:52.600 Yeah, once you'd heard what had happened to Arnie Queeney, 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:56.520 what was your reaction like? Did you want to know 0:04:56.880 --> 0:04:59.839 what happened? Did you just want to get her home 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:04.280 to country? What was sort of your first motivation. 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:10.080 At first? I was getting shocked and actually speak to 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:16.559 my uncle and speak about just a feeling the blank 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:21.599 that I had, okay in what in the whole story 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:27.279 and trying to comprehend you know, what really happened, And 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:34.279 I said more archies or uncle never talked about it. 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:37.520 Neither did my grandmother. We just knew that she just 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:38.200 passed away. 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:41.960 And Debbie, I remember, I think I first contacted you 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:45.279 shortly after I had actually heard about any Queenie, and 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:47.920 I'd heard about it from my dad in rock Hampton. 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:50.280 So I remember, you know, a lot of mob in 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:53.080 rock Hampden had known what had happened, had known there 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:55.560 had been an enduring injustice. And I remember when I 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:58.359 contacted you because I was really concerned. I thought, I 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:00.800 really feel like I need to look into this. But 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:03.920 then I thought, well, there's like there's I don't know 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:06.560 if that would affect your family, but I remember when 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:09.080 I called you straight away, one of the first things 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:12.040 you told me was that your auntie was actually still 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:15.080 buried in Rockhampton, and I remember that was like the 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:18.159 first thing you told me, even before anything else I 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:20.919 found out or you told me about your family. I 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:23.480 remember that was one of the first things you said, 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:25.320 and I remember being so struck by that because it 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:28.920 was sort of like I realized that something needed to. 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:30.160 Happen, you know what I mean. 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:33.120 Do you remember that you talk of it a little 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:33.600 bit about that. 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:37.840 Yeah, yeah, it was still shocked. And after speaking to 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:42.600 my uncle uncle Louis in their pastorn, you know, he said, 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:46.640 you know that'll you know, that'll make him happy, and 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:49.919 it'll make man happy too, because he said to me, 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:54.560 you know, that was when a man's wishes. So I 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:58.320 was happy with that and going forward with everything, getting 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:03.159 commission from my older siblings to do that, and Auntie 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:05.680 are welcome to Oh yeah. 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:07.720 And Debbie, I think during that time you actually found 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:10.680 out a lot about what she was actually like, even 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:13.720 though you never got to meet your auntie because like 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:16.440 that had been stolen from you. Really, even the ability 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:19.640 for your grandmother to speak about her daughter that had 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:21.720 been taken away from you. But I think through this 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:25.280 process and hearing Uncle Lewis and Anni Alita and Annie 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:28.240 sl speak of her, you found out a bit more 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:31.000 about how what she was like, didn't you. Can you 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:32.760 tell me a little bit about the process and what 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:34.320 she was like in. 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:40.360 Life after speaking to my uncle his wife Melita and me, 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:46.200 and she was good friends with Annie Queeney and and 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:50.440 you tell me, you know how where personality was, and 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:53.720 I could I kind of cannot relate it because I 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:57.280 know Mom and my Auntie and that they well, you know, 0:07:57.280 --> 0:08:00.960 I need to dress up really nice. And I can 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:06.760 see where felling too, because you know, traveling, My mom traveled. 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:11.680 My other artis travel. So yeah, you can relate to it, 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:15.400 and I relate to they're doing them stuff and just 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:16.400 enjoying life. 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:21.000 Yeah, you could definitely imagine just any the loss that 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:23.320 it had been to your community and not being able 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:26.680 to take her home and not being your grandmother, not 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:29.800 being able to say goodbye properly on her home country. 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:32.640 I think that was like a unique sort of trauma 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:36.240 that didn't affect other people that happened after death, you know, 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:38.840 what I mean, It's just I don't think a lot 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:40.280 of other people experience that. 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:44.120 Can my knowledge, I think this was the first bringing 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:47.200 her home to the two community. Well can my knowledge 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:50.920 first time of bringing someone i'm back to their own country. 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:55.440 And that was something once we found out from Debbie 0:08:55.520 --> 0:08:58.720 and the family that they really wanted to do, that 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:01.800 we all work together that to make it happen because 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:07.440 everyone understood how important that was. Can you tell us, 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:11.680 Debbie about that day when Auntie came home and what 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:13.319 that meant to you and your family. 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:17.480 I remember Amy Wing and me her tool Amy because 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:20.640 she had I was in one of the enforces and 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:25.679 you know, doing a fair well smoking ceremony and farewell 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:29.200 for her to come back to fry Back Arms, and 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:31.760 and I felt I said to Amy, I said, and 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:36.840 I felt really happy, you know, really content with myself 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:39.480 because I feel like that I was frying with the 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:44.280 with you know, with that coffin coming down, I was 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:49.000 trying with it. You know, it's just for the happy feeling, 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:55.840 overwhelming feelings and just feeling expirits, really happy in life 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:58.760 that she was traveling out. And I can feel that 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:04.199 me being in Bridge traveling like it was a happy feeling. 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:07.160 I definitely believe that it was supposed to happen, Debbie. 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:10.720 I definitely believe that spirit was speaking, you know, in 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:13.800 just the way everything happened, and even just being there 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:16.920 in Sherburg back on walka walka country, and I remember 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:20.160 seeing like the pink because Annie Queenie loved pink, and 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:23.000 you did such an amazing job. Like I can say, 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:27.080 I was just blown away by how beautiful that ceremony was. 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:29.480 And to see a lot of Honey Queenie's like childhood 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:34.360 friends who knew her, and the men sending her saying goodbye, 0:10:35.040 --> 0:10:38.160 and your uncle singing that song, I just thought it. 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:41.160 And the crows and like being there within your family 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:43.880 cemetery as well, where all of your family were. I 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:46.160 think it's really hard to put into words how special 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:48.960 it was. It is, but it really was. It felt 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:52.520 like yeah. 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:53.440 You know, and and it was and you know, all 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:57.679 the family, especially the antides, were really happy, you know, 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:00.440 they were thanking me, and I said, now, you know, 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:05.520 it's really it's been a long thing because I went 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:08.080 on what my uncle said. You know, your nan wanted 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:11.320 a arm and that was one of her last wishes 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:13.680 for a child. To be armed when she couldn't bring 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:17.319 you arm in the best place because of the restriction 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:21.600 with the superintendent and all that. In them days. You know, 0:11:21.960 --> 0:12:02.360 the family didn't get justice for it, you know, yeah. 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:47.400 I remember you saying that at the ceremony as well. 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:51.320 How you know you didn't get justice for her because 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:55.560 I mean, obviously that the white man walked free. The 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:58.160 justice system was so incredibly racist the way that just 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:01.960 even described your auntie, And I just wonder do you 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:03.840 ever feel like maybe it was a little bit of 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:06.760 justice or what do you think sort of the next steps? 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:08.880 You know, what would you do? 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:11.559 You think more has to be done unally. 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:15.600 When it comes to our age abiginal people and especially 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:19.240 you know how people that don't miss him and getting 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:25.080 murder and missing something more needs to happened. Everybody, you know, 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:29.000 everyone involved, you know, step up and go that extra more, 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:32.640 even if you don't know, because people are in positions 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:35.440 of jobs and everything like that, this is your job 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:38.840 follow the right protocol and do the right thing for everybody. 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:43.800 We're tired of you know, being left out and all 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:48.800 like within the justice system and getting the hard punishment 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:53.200 that you know, if if the table was ten onto 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:58.920 a non indiginous person, you know, and just the big failure. 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:02.319 Then there was a lot of failures in the court 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:05.560 process with my Auntie, you know, and you know, I 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:10.439 still think about it, but it can't be undone. Now 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:14.880 it's already done, and that at the end of the day, 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:19.199 I fulfilled my grandmother's wishes to have the arm and 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:23.319 it's done, and it's just for us to heal and 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:30.480 be peaceful and heal heal quietly for our lost ones. 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:34.840 And I think that's one of the amazing things that 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:38.520 come out of all of this, is that Amy and 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:43.319 I learned about Auntie so long ago from Amy's dad Sterling, 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:47.440 and her spirit we feel was always with It's helping 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:51.920 us to get justice for both Arnie and for Linda too, 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:55.400 and then to work with you, Debbie, to be able 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:59.920 to fulfill the family wish to get Arnie Queeney back home. 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:03.839 I think it it is a first as far as 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:06.720 I know as well, and I think it sends a 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:10.960 great message and that you've done something so amazing that 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:15.480 shows everyone else right around the country that this is 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:19.240 what we need to do. We need to bring people 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:22.160 home to their country, and also we need to work 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:25.520 as hard as we can to make sure what happens 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:28.760 to Auntie happened to Auntie Queenie and to others never 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:33.240 ever happens again. And you've yeah, and you and your 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:37.480 family have just taught us so much. And we wouldn't 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:42.000 be here doing this podcast and focusing so heavily on 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:45.680 this issue if it wasn't for you and Arnie Queeney 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:47.880 and everything we've learned from your family. 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:52.080 Yeah, no, I have. I had good support. And I 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:55.040 thank you guys to you know, you know, walking with 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:58.280 me and just saying, you know, just keep keep going 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:01.520 and keep pushing all that, you know, thank you. 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:05.320 It's been our pleasure. And I think I hope one 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:10.280 day people can understand just how much you and your 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:13.760 family have had to overcome and how many hurdles were 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:18.480 put in your way. And again, I hope that by 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:22.880 you overcoming them and bringing Arnie home, that it teaches 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:26.760 everyone about both the history and also what we have 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:30.120 to do going into the future. And all of that 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:32.920 happened because of you and your family. 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:37.360 That's right, and I think it will be a you know, 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:42.040 it could be you know, learning, but if we do 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:46.840 the right thing, and yeah, we do the right process 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:52.280 with love them. And sometimes it's really hard because we 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:54.640 don't have the support. 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:56.760 We you know that we really. 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:02.800 About and you know, on things for them to go 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:06.840 the whole length of Boston and achieving what we're supposed 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:09.960 to achieve. You know, we have a lot of we 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:14.360 have a lack of that. Some families have a lot 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:21.320 no no support and all that we do. I end 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:23.840 up dealing it with my family and speaking to the 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:27.720 elism and speaking to my uncle and my auntie. You 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:30.080 know you do this, If you do this, you know, 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:34.080 everybody to be a peace a nominee and and and 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:37.680 that's what I really wanted, knowing that we don't never get. 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:38.520 Justice for honey. 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:45.200 You know the system all us tell my grandmother, my 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:50.720 mama fail us. You know fell my fell, my mom, oh, 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:56.800 my grandparents and siblings. So you know, something needs to change, 0:16:57.360 --> 0:17:00.280 something needs to change. And you know, we got a 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:04.400 weapon healing. We will never heal if people will walk 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:10.920 with us, because we don't get that very often, especially 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:15.560 in the society. But no judgment or it's going to 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:19.280 be judgment. Make sure it's to write judgment on a 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:24.160 person prepotato who is done to you know in practice, 0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:32.600 the fees of their injuries and all that stuff. 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:36.600 Yeah, And I think that's such an important thing too, 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:41.440 is that people realize that the focus and the judgment 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:45.960 and the blame should solely be on the man who 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:50.360 did this. And for so long there was those newspaper 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:55.200 articles and everything that said horrible things about Auntie, when 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:59.240 really the only person to blame in all of this, 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:02.679 and the only person who should have had things written 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:05.640 about them in a horrible way, was the man who 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:09.080 did this. And I hope, yeah, and I hope in 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:13.800 doing this and I'll explain later in this podcast who 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:17.600 he is and what he had done to others as well, 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:22.760 that forever more everyone knows what an amazing woman Ernie 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:27.119 Queeny Hart was and what a terrible man he was. 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:31.480 Yes, yes, you know, he just used the system. I mean, 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:35.919 you know, he used that as his representative because he 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:40.360 was married to a woman. You know, he just played 0:18:40.400 --> 0:18:43.879 the system and he knew he knew, you know, with 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:49.960 meditated on pre meditated or doing this to it. We 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:53.640 will never know because then the witness has never got 0:18:54.480 --> 0:19:01.480 talking to or was now in the courtroom. And my grandmother, Army, 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:08.000 that's a big, big and really angry of you know, 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:12.320 I'm not having, like I said, the lack of fam 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:20.520 justice and and support within the legal system also. 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:24.239 Yeah, and that's what we have to really improve, is 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:28.560 that support for the families of the victims and making 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:32.520 sure that these men are brought to justice because just 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:35.760 for too long they've got away with it and no 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:38.879 one's done anything about it. And that's what we really 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:40.560 hope and want to change. 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:46.159 Yes, it's hard, but we have to move forward. And 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:50.919 I'm like, my family are happy in what's what I did, 0:19:51.640 --> 0:19:55.280 and and I'm grateful for that because it's just a 0:19:55.320 --> 0:19:58.000 little bit more peace too, and a peach for us 0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:03.119 to try and feel, but we never will hear because 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:06.520 there's too much trauma involved in the society. 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:08.879 I was just going to say that, Debbie. I mean, 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:11.679 I think for our listeners to know that, you know, 0:20:11.760 --> 0:20:15.040 you're from Sherburg, Honey queenis from Cherburg. It's not just 0:20:15.160 --> 0:20:18.320 these isolated events either, Like the violence is all connected 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:22.919 the way it's been perpetrated on the entire Sherbeg community, 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:24.879 you know what I mean. And that was part of 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:28.359 what prevented Honey Queenie from coming home. And I think 0:20:28.440 --> 0:20:30.920 that's what listeners have to understand is that it's a 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:36.240 very different form of violence that Aboriginal women experience. Yeah, 0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:41.560 and it's I mean, if you don't know that, you 0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:44.960 find I think non Indigenous people find it very hard 0:20:44.960 --> 0:20:48.320 to understand what is happening, you know, and how this 0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:53.119 can your Aboriginal women can be continually targeted. And so 0:20:53.160 --> 0:20:55.679 I think it's important for our listeners to know about 0:20:55.680 --> 0:21:00.600 Scherberg and that Cherburg is a very powerful community as well. 0:21:01.000 --> 0:21:04.840 You know, it's it's resisted a lot of violence. That's 0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:07.480 what I thought, so specially when the community come together 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:09.600 to remember Annie Queeney, you know what I mean, and 0:21:09.680 --> 0:21:12.639 knowing Sherberg is a place not of violence, but a 0:21:12.640 --> 0:21:17.240 place of power and resistance I feel, yeah, and family 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:21.040 and love and care, you know, not what these white 0:21:21.080 --> 0:21:24.199 people say it is. And I just want listeners to 0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:27.760 know that as well. Yeah, the community you come from 0:21:27.880 --> 0:21:28.720 is very powerful. 0:21:29.680 --> 0:21:30.120 Family. 0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:35.080 Family, you know, we're permitted to and it is still strong. 0:21:35.720 --> 0:21:41.960 You know, my mother, my mother, our my home. It's 0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:45.800 always been army farm, you know, it's being our home 0:21:46.840 --> 0:21:51.520 and you know we have different but we always need 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:54.800 that to save it. Still family still there, you know, 0:21:55.119 --> 0:21:59.439 you are breeding. Good to see you. Even though we 0:21:59.520 --> 0:22:03.679 will go and through we you know, we stand give up. 0:22:05.560 --> 0:22:07.040 We all respect one another. 0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:10.480 And I think that's a really nice way to remember 0:22:11.200 --> 0:22:15.119 everything you've done and your family has done and bringing 0:22:15.400 --> 0:22:18.960 Arnie home is that, like you say, everyone has that 0:22:19.080 --> 0:22:24.840 strong connection and everyone comes home. And it's a really 0:22:24.880 --> 0:22:29.600 powerful thing you've done to bring Arnie home and to 0:22:29.680 --> 0:22:33.280 bring healing to so many people and to have taught 0:22:33.760 --> 0:22:36.199 so many people about what needs to be done. 0:22:36.600 --> 0:22:36.800 Yeah. 0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:39.760 I mean, you know, no matter what happens, we all 0:22:39.880 --> 0:22:44.320 get together and just move. You know, well, never get justice. 0:22:44.359 --> 0:22:47.560 Not the first family don't get justice when someone's going 0:22:47.640 --> 0:22:49.160 to be rave enough. 0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:49.560 To stand up. 0:22:49.680 --> 0:22:53.040 We need justice for these family because we're all human 0:22:53.080 --> 0:22:58.000 beings in this country, we're not aliens or anything, you know. 0:22:58.280 --> 0:23:02.520 To support our family in when this is happening in 0:23:03.760 --> 0:23:07.280 across the nation, you know, someone stands up for us, 0:23:07.320 --> 0:23:10.320 and you know justice that. 0:23:10.320 --> 0:23:16.000 We really need ahead of time and time me here 0:23:16.119 --> 0:23:20.440 and see things. You know, we never get justice, and. 0:23:20.359 --> 0:23:23.679 That's the sad part of it because society needs to 0:23:23.720 --> 0:23:26.560 wake up and look and listen and. 0:23:26.480 --> 0:23:27.119 Have a heart. 0:23:27.720 --> 0:23:31.320 You know, we all human being, We all want one. 0:23:31.119 --> 0:23:36.040 Way yeah, and I think that's a really important thing 0:23:36.160 --> 0:23:40.800 for our non Indigenous listeners to remember is exactly what 0:23:41.000 --> 0:23:45.200 Tebbie said then, is to really take those words on board. Yes, 0:23:47.040 --> 0:23:51.560 it's a pleasure. Thank you for Auntie Queeney's family and 0:23:51.600 --> 0:23:54.840 for Amy and I. Bringing Auntie home to Sherburg and 0:23:54.880 --> 0:23:58.919 setting the record straight was always important and something we 0:23:59.000 --> 0:24:02.439 felt had to be seen through to the end. Auntie 0:24:02.520 --> 0:24:05.200 is now home in the loving embrace of her family 0:24:05.240 --> 0:24:08.960 and community in Sherbourg. But the truth has never been 0:24:09.000 --> 0:24:12.919 set out plainly. There's always been excuses, victim blaming and 0:24:12.960 --> 0:24:16.399 a rewriting of the narrative. But this is the truth 0:24:16.600 --> 0:24:20.600 and this is how history must be recorded. Stephen Henry 0:24:20.640 --> 0:24:26.080 Keem aka Christopher Edward Turner murdered Arnie Queeny Hart in 0:24:26.240 --> 0:24:31.640 April nineteen seventy five. Arnie Queeny played no role whatsoever 0:24:31.920 --> 0:24:35.840 in her own death. The Queensland Police were at best 0:24:36.000 --> 0:24:40.600 lazy and more likely criminally negligent in their racist failings, 0:24:41.080 --> 0:24:43.560 assisting a white man to get away with the murder 0:24:43.600 --> 0:24:48.880 of a black woman. Worse, the Rockhampton Supreme Court failed 0:24:48.880 --> 0:24:52.679 in their duty to deliver justice for Auntie Queeny and 0:24:52.760 --> 0:24:57.240 to protect the community from Keem. A violent and sadistic killer. 0:24:58.240 --> 0:25:00.680 He would confess to his ex wife life and his 0:25:00.720 --> 0:25:04.679 stepdaughter that he had indeed killed Arnie Queeny, and he 0:25:04.760 --> 0:25:08.520 threatened both women with death if they ever revealed this secret. 0:25:09.440 --> 0:25:13.439