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Speaker 1: morning to you, Leah.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, and to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, Leah, why did you want to visit the police

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Speaker 2: So it's about understanding all of these issues so we

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Speaker 1: So Leah, when did you find out that you wouldn't

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Speaker 2: I think it was on Monday, which is just ridiculous,

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Speaker 1: Well, look, I think it's incredibly important that both the

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Speaker 2: Look, I think it just shows a lack of capability

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Speaker 1: Well, look, we are going to talk more about it

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean Tina put up the fight of her life.

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Speaker 1: Of the vote.

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Speaker 2: You know, they won on the preferences, so the Liberals

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Speaker 2: So I think it's less about the conservative using. People

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Speaker 2: they do want Laura not under control, and they do

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Speaker 2: just what you know, the independence and the miners had

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Speaker 2: a different appeal this election. I think both major parties

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Speaker 2: will be obviously looking at that. Of course, for the Coalition,

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Speaker 2: been a fourth term, which is always a huge, huge

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Speaker 2: hurdle to overcome. So yeah, lots of things to take away.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people was very interesting. You know,

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Speaker 2: digesting it and you know, coming up to me asking

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Speaker 2: and I wish Anthony Abernezi well as per ministy. You know,

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Speaker 2: we want a strong country that's bouncing back and playing

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Speaker 2: our role in this world. So I certainly look forward

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Speaker 2: to working with him and his new ministerial team to

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Speaker 2: advance the interests of the territory.

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Speaker 1: Well, Leah Finocchio, we are going to have to leave

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Speaker 1: it there. It is always good to speak with you.

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Speaker 1: Thanks very much for joining us this morning. Obviously, those

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Speaker 1: who listened to the show regularly will know that you're

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Speaker 1: usually on a Wednesday. Unfortunately, I was crooked yesterday, so

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Speaker 1: we appreciate your time today.

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Speaker 2: That's so good. We don't mean to confuse you guys.

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Speaker 2: We'll be back next Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Thanks Lea. You are listening to Mix one

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