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Speaker 1: This is the Happy Family's podcast. It's beginning to feel

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Speaker 1: a lot like Christmas and today a doctor's desk episode.

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Speaker 1: Researchers have looked at what makes Christmas merry and bright

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm just thinking about a question that somebody posed

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Speaker 2: the other day. Yep, they asked me which of my

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Speaker 1: What's it good to raise Christmas? You're just taking me

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Speaker 1: on a tangent. Which of our children? I feel like

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Speaker 1: you're setting me up here. Which of our children I

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Speaker 1: which of our children has been hardest to raise? Oh?

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Speaker 2: I actually told them it was my mother in law's.

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Speaker 2: He's pretty you.

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Speaker 1: How to have a merry Christmas, according the research. He's

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Speaker 1: next on The Happy Family's pod cast. Stay with us,

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us. This is the Happy

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Speaker 1: Families podcast, Real parenting Solutions, every single day. We are

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Speaker 1: Australia's most downloaded parenting podcast. We love that you choose

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Speaker 1: to listen to us and today on the pod, as

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Speaker 1: we do every Thursday. I'm not letting it go just

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Speaker 1: because it's December. Kylie. We are talking Christmas. We're talking

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Speaker 1: research and what data tells us about having the happiest Christmas.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm really curious.

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Speaker 1: Are you really, because you know you're not.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying it for your sake, right, Okay, can

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Speaker 2: you tell me in that research, does it tell us

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Speaker 2: what predicts more Christmas happiness?

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Speaker 2: So yes, I just brought a cushion the other day

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Speaker 2: that says very merry, very merry. Yeah, yes, I would

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Speaker 1: I just I love you at Christmas time. Tim Kasser

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Speaker 1: and Ken Sheldon to researchers that I've admired literally for

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Speaker 1: what makes Christmas merry and bright for some people unless

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Speaker 1: so for others. So your question was directly answered by

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Speaker 1: family and religious experiences were particularly predictive of Christmas happiness. Now,

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Speaker 1: So this is very much about purpose. This is about

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Speaker 2: So what predicts less happiness? Of all of those things

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Speaker 2: She loves giving gifts, but not only just because she

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Speaker 1: Of kid kid you not like, there would be between

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Speaker 2: Now we have six children, so imagine me sitting on

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Speaker 2: felt awful. I felt like this, you know, kind of

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Speaker 1: I mean, the kids were going nuts. They were loving it,

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Speaker 2: As I watched, there was just this like literally incessant

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Speaker 1: The next That's what I was going to see. They

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Speaker 1: was just what else have you got me? What else

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Speaker 1: have you got me? And they'd open one thing and

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Speaker 2: So we went the complete opposite. It now means that

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Speaker 2: Christmas gift giving takes forever because we insisted that each

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Speaker 2: and it's a lot, but it really gave us an

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Speaker 2: the materialism of you going shopping on Christmas Eve.

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Speaker 1: So let's wrap this up. Basically, what the.

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Speaker 2: Data show is, it's so funny, I like unwrapping.

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Speaker 1: Basically, the research show is that a materialistic focus under

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Speaker 1: with people. There's this thing called goal contents theory. What's

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Speaker 1: with family. So that's really the take home message here.

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Speaker 1: There were a couple of demographic things that I just

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Speaker 1: thought i'd share quickly before we wrap it up. There's

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Speaker 1: my little punt again. Being rich, being clever, so IQ

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Speaker 1: much of an impact on how good Christmas was. Also,

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Speaker 2: I wonder why who sets up the Christmas tree? Who

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Speaker 2: cooks the Christmas lunch? Who wraps all the presents? Who

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Speaker 2: buys all the presents?

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Speaker 1: Just saying, I mean in our home, we both know

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Speaker 1: the answer to those questions.

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Speaker 2: It's so interesting to me you talk about it doesn't

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Speaker 2: you are. I remember back to some of our earliest

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Speaker 2: Christmas and we had very little to put on the

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Speaker 2: one year we decided that we would do a homemade

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Speaker 2: Christmas and buying anything got all of the kids involved.

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Speaker 2: It made my Christmas a lot harder because I had

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Speaker 2: to supervise and help each of the kids. That's one

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Speaker 2: of my favorite Christmas.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because there's no entitlement there, right, because everyone suddenly

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Speaker 1: understands how much work goes into it, how much effort's required,

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Speaker 1: suddenly like, oh, these gifts are meaningful because I worked

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Speaker 1: to create this for you, and you don't looking and go,

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Speaker 1: what's that junk you made the paper mashe because you've

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Speaker 1: also gone to that level of work and effort to give,

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Speaker 1: so you recognize and understand that there's one more thing

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Speaker 1: that's worth throwing in here from a different research paper

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Speaker 1: in terms of what to get people if you know

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Speaker 1: you know what they're gonna want. If you don't know

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Speaker 1: them well, you're not the best thing to get them

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Speaker 2: Say it's a gift voucher, but do you know what

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Speaker 2: it's so lame?

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Speaker 1: Well, it's a gift boucher.

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Speaker 2: As a giver, it's so lame. It feels just impersonal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it is because you don't know them well

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Speaker 1: so that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'd rather give them cash, and I'd rather

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Speaker 2: a credit card in a envelope. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean it's not actually about the credit card

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Speaker 1: That's what it's really like.

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Speaker 2: One year, my sister she gave one of the girls

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Speaker 2: Like just silly things like that. It just it makes

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Speaker 1: Anyway. That's the paper. I will link to it in

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Speaker 1: the show notes. I don't think anyone's going read it

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Speaker 1: after the conversation we've just about it, and I don't know,

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Speaker 1: interesting conversation. It's nice to see this and research about it.

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