1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:02,680 Speaker 1: This is a Will and Woody podcast. 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 2: Nini, It's Father's Day this weekend. It's my first Father's Day. 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, congrats. How you feeling about it? 4 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 2: Ah? If I could summarize it in a sentence, I would, 5 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 2: but I've ended up thinking about this a lot. It's 6 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 2: really triggered a lot of things in me that it's 7 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 2: my first Dad's Day this weekend. And funnily enough, it 8 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 2: all stemmed from an interview that we did with Matthew 9 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 2: McConaughey in January this year. 10 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: Nice name drop. 11 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 2: And it all happened because I asked him what brought 12 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 2: about the Mconnaissance? And the Maconnaissance is this series of 13 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 2: movies that he made between twenty ten and twenty thirteen. 14 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 2: It's when he went from doing How to Lose a 15 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 2: Guy in Ten Days in Sahara with Kate Hudson into 16 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 2: doing Mud Lincoln Lawyer, Dallas Buyers Club. He became this 17 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 2: really serious actor, true detective. And I asked him why 18 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 2: how it happened? And he surprised me and I think 19 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 2: you supposed probably all of us when he said to 20 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: us that the reason was is because he had kids. 21 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 2: M and when he had kids, he was incredibly clear 22 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 2: about who he was and what he wanted to do 23 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 2: and who he wanted to be. 24 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 3: You got a child coming out, I do. 25 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, she's pregnant. Yeah yeah, first one, first one, yeah, 26 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: first one. 27 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 3: Okay, the first six months after newborn? Yeah, don't just 28 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 3: double down on your instincts. Triple down on your instincts. 29 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 4: Wow, from investments to relationships, to where you want to 30 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:25,199 Speaker 4: live and go and what you want to do in life. 31 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 3: You'll never be more clear. 32 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:28,559 Speaker 1: Yeah. So have you related to that now? 33 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 2: Well, so this is the thing, right, So when Matthew 34 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 2: McConaughey says something like that to you, yeah, all I 35 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,639 Speaker 2: could think about after Max was born was was that. 36 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 3: The first six months after newborn? 37 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, don't just double down on your instincts, triple down 38 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 4: on your instincts. 39 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, of course. 40 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 5: Yeah. 41 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: See, of course, Matthew McConaughey. 42 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 2: Blood, I'm running around going like, okay, I need to 43 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 2: double down and triple down to my instincts. And I 44 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 2: think I kind of made the assumption that the old 45 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 2: things that were true to me would sort of evaporate, 46 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 2: like they would disappear because I've got this new daughter 47 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 2: and that's my life now, and all my instincts are there, 48 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 2: but that wasn't the case, and I kind of found 49 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 2: myself doubling down and tripling down on everything, like everything 50 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 2: that was that meant something to me that I felt 51 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 2: was instinctive, so like things that I look to make 52 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 2: myself feel more whole, Like, yeah, I was dubbled down 53 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 2: and tripled down to my instincts. Here at work, it 54 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 2: going to work harder and you know, to have fun 55 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 2: during the show and do all these things that I 56 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 2: need to do to sort of you know, this new 57 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 2: revelation and honor the fact that I'm going to be 58 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 2: clearer and see clearer and now that I'm a dad, 59 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 2: and you know, when you're at work, and a lot 60 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 2: of people that have got kids and of the breadwinner 61 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,399 Speaker 2: will know this. You have this pool the whole time 62 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 2: where you're like, I need to be at home. 63 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 1: I need to be at home. 64 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 2: So I like rushed home. I got home, and I 65 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:45,519 Speaker 2: got home just in time to put Max down. 66 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: That was the whole point. 67 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 2: And she just screamed in my face, like screamed in 68 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 2: my face to the point where it was like it 69 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 2: was obvious to me that I was unfamiliar to her 70 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 2: and I was like, I'm not here enough, and it 71 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 2: was really yeah, it sucked. I felt like a really 72 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 2: acute sense of shame and I felt like I let 73 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 2: her down and it was so The nail in the 74 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 2: coffin was when my partner, when SEM came into the room, 75 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 2: she like, you know, ten minutes, she put her down quickly, 76 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 2: and I was like, shit, I'm not I'm not here enough. 77 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: Good one. McConaughey, Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like, what 78 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: have you done to me? 79 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 2: And so finally enough, It's funny the interview imagine mconahay 80 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 2: learn to be having a breakdown. I saw my psychologist 81 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 2: the next day and I was telling him about the 82 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 2: fact that I kind of had this real need to 83 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 2: feel held and I was just felt like that there 84 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 2: was no part of my life where I felt. 85 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: Like safe or forgiven. 86 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 2: And he said to me that, interestingly, babies can bring 87 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 2: out traits or emotions in parents that they haven't felt 88 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 2: since they felt those same. 89 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: Emotions when they're a kid. Triggers it. 90 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, so when you see your kid going through that 91 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 2: same thing, you re experience the thing that you experienced 92 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 2: thirty years ago. So what I was feeling, that need 93 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 2: to be held was what I felt thirty years ago 94 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 2: because my dad was away, and in the past I 95 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 2: used to villainize, not villainized, but I'd be like, shit, 96 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 2: why weren't you there? Like why put work down? Like 97 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 2: who cares? Until ironically, we had Channon Nole in the 98 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 2: studio the other day and I was asking him about 99 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 2: how he, you know, how does he balance his duties? 100 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 6: And he said this coming home was the biggest thing 101 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 6: after going over seas because the kids sort of wouldn't 102 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 6: realize why he had to go, and they sort of 103 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 6: go like, think like, we're having a great time before 104 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 6: he left, so they resent you for it. I'd come 105 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 6: back from New York and they were a great presence 106 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 6: and that and it take me, you know, two weeks 107 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 6: to win Cardy back over again because he sort of now, 108 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 6: I'm not getting close to you again because you're just going. 109 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 5: To go, you know. 110 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 2: And you can see this in my article at nine 111 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 2: dot com is where ever again on our socials and 112 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 2: the stories that you can click through. But I kind 113 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 2: of realized that the lot of a parent is to 114 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 2: sort of balance these irreconcilable duties or instincts, and each 115 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 2: of them are sort of pointing to being a better 116 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 2: care for your child, whether that's holding them or working 117 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 2: to provide for them, or spending time on yourself so 118 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 2: that you're not grumpy around them. The sadness I felt 119 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 2: when Max screamed at me was that I would never 120 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 2: actually be able to satisfy all of those duties. In fact, 121 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 2: in my need and my duty my instinct to provide 122 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 2: for her, I can't be there for her like those 123 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 2: two cannot marry up and she can't understand that. And 124 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 2: it's only in becoming a father that I actually understand 125 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 2: that now. And rather than villainizing my dad for it, 126 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 2: I actually feel really sorry for him. And so the 127 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 2: message I wanted to send on Father's Day is to 128 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 2: not like, don't tell your dad you love them, or 129 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 2: or whoever your bread winning parent was, your mum or 130 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 2: both of them might be, don't tell me you love 131 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 2: them or you're thankful for them, but that you actually 132 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 2: forgive them because it's tough and this might be a lot, 133 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 2: And I told you I'm very nervous about this, but 134 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 2: that's what it's all about. 135 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: I'm going to call my dad up next and do that. 136 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 1: Why does that make you feel so nervous. 137 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 2: Because I I feel sorry for him and I feel 138 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 2: like i've I've I he didn't deserve me chastising him. 139 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: For that, Yeah, right, in like your adult life. 140 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, because I have got like a lot of things 141 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 2: that I know that I've really struggled with because I 142 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 2: lacked because he was going through things or he was 143 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 2: working hard, and that hurt me and I want to better. 144 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 2: Now I kind of like understand that he never did 145 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 2: that intentionally. In fact, if anything, he was doing everything 146 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 2: he could to make sure he could help. 147 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: Me the other way. Definitely. Yeah. 148 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, So yeah, you know, it's live radio and it's 149 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 2: a radio show, So I'm the idiot that's going to 150 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 2: call him and tell him that live on air. 151 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: Up next, nice get the old tissue Box, Australia. 152 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 2: It's I'm talking about a piece I wrote recently for 153 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 2: nine dot com. You can head on to Willamoody on 154 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 2: the socials on the stories that linked to the article 155 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 2: will be there. But effectively an interview that we had 156 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 2: with Matthew McConaughey earlier this year, which led to me 157 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 2: having a breakdown a couple of weeks ago. 158 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: You got a chart coming out, I do yeah, Yeah, 159 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: she's pregnant. 160 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, first one, first one, Yeah, first one, Okay. 161 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 3: The first six months after your newborn. Yeah, don't just 162 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 3: double down on your instincts. Triple down on your instincts. 163 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 4: Wow, from investments to relationships to where you want to 164 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 4: live and go and what you want to do in life. 165 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 3: You'll never be more clear. 166 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 167 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 2: So McConaughey screwed me, It really did, didn't. 168 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 5: Yeah. 169 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 7: Do you think you were trying too hard? Definitely to 170 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 7: think about what you've You've tried to assume your instinct 171 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 7: is to work hard, whereas it sounds like everything you're 172 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 7: saying your your genuine instinct was to spend more time 173 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 7: with Max. 174 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 2: Like, yeah, this lack of time away from my daughter 175 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 2: has made me empathize so strongly with my own dad. Yeah. 176 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 2: He would work, just just worked his ass off to 177 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 2: provide for us. So I want to call my dad 178 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 2: today in the lead up to Father's Day and essentially 179 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 2: tell him that I understand that I forgive him. 180 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: It's well, I can. 181 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 2: So Father's Day this Sunday. Ye, And I wrote a 182 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 2: piece recently just about irreconcilable duties as a parent, and 183 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 2: I yeah, because I just kind of had this. I 184 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 2: wanted to tell you this. I had this moment the 185 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 2: other night when I was putting Max down, and I 186 00:08:55,400 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 2: told you about this in the car. She was really upset, yep. 187 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 2: And I I didn't say this to you in the 188 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 2: car because it felt a bit weird, but I feel 189 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 2: like I wanted to tell you, and I just had 190 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 2: this moment where I realized that you when we were kids, 191 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 2: you were often away because you were working really hard, 192 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 2: and I in the past, I just don't think I 193 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 2: really ever understood that. And I think a lot of 194 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 2: the time I was almost like I was almost angry 195 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 2: about that. Yeah. Yeah, but I in holding Max the 196 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 2: other day and I told you, like I was racing home, 197 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 2: like I nearly had another stack on my bike because 198 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 2: I was trying to get home. 199 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: So fast to be with her. Yeah. 200 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 2: Well, I finally understand why you're away so much, because 201 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 2: you just trying to look after us. And I forgive 202 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 2: I forgive you. I forgive you for that, right, thank you, 203 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 2: Yeah that you need that. Yes, But I love you, 204 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 2: and I just wanted to tell you that. 205 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 5: Oh thanks, Well, yeah, I actually yes, I was a 206 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 5: love I mean, that's that's that awful mind of trying 207 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 5: to be a parent and also live your own life. 208 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 5: And that's a really difficult challenge. If you're in the 209 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 5: position of responsibility and it doesn't really matter what you do, 210 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 5: that is a bind, and I don't think it's possible 211 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 5: to get it right. I think you just muddled through 212 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 5: as best you can and keep, as you said before, 213 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 5: keep trying to do it better. I do. I do 214 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 5: pride myself on the fact that I never missed a 215 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 5: sporting event or a or a speech day for you guys. 216 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 5: And I do also feel that I did help somewhat 217 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 5: in the education. But no, I wasn't there as much 218 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 5: as I would have liked, to be honest. 219 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: That is actually saying a logue. 220 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 7: Given that Will was so bad at sport as well, Laurie, 221 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 7: it must have been hard to sit through that. 222 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 5: Well, let me just say that every time he went 223 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 5: out at cricket, a little part of me died, and 224 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 5: there were many, many times that little parts of me died. 225 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 5: But I think the other thing, I don't know. I 226 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 5: don't know whether whether I've got the leeway to say this, 227 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 5: but I actually think, in relation to Father's Day, one 228 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 5: of the things that it's really crucial to remember. And 229 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 5: what Father's Day I think should be about is celebrating 230 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 5: the fact that you have my children and the tremendous 231 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 5: joy and satisfaction that they bring you. And that's an 232 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 5: absolute privilege. So I think that that, you know, we 233 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 5: shouldn't overlook that either. I mean, yes, there are burdens 234 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 5: and responsibilities, but they're tremendously life enhancing and I wouldn't 235 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 5: stop it for for anything. 236 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: We'll say, Matte, thanks Dan, been. 237 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 5: Been a been a pleasure, and we'll look forward to 238 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 5: seeing you on Sunday. 239 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:22,439 Speaker 1: Is that me as well? 240 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 5: Laura? 241 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: Okay, not perfect, like I'm back at school? 242 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 5: Love you okay, you too? Well? 243 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 2: Hey filing yeah good good yeah yeah. Past had always 244 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 2: had a way of trumping me with his words. At 245 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 2: the end there, I had a great little message, couldn't have. 246 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: It good just good and also got me that was good. 247 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 2: It was actually really really nice thing to say. Yeah, 248 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 2: I knew it was never going to be even if 249 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 2: it was motional for me, it was never going to 250 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 2: be emotional for him. No, And that's the you know, like, yeah, 251 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 2: I think that's often with our dads. That's the case, 252 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 2: isn't that absolutely, you go. 253 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 8: But yeah, but I think the thing that we learned 254 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 8: the older we get though, is that he that man 255 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 8: loves you more than you could possibly imagine, but just 256 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 8: because he doesn't get emotional when expressing that love. 257 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean. It's exactly the same 258 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: as my Yeah. Yeah, such an interesting generation. Yeah, oh wow, Yeah, 259 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 1: that was actually a good thing to do. 260 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 2: As I said the articles on our stories if you 261 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:40,319 Speaker 2: want to have a look at it nine dot COM's 262 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 2: who I wrote it for. Appreciate the opportunity to do 263 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 2: that and have your father's day overrun. Tell your dad, 264 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 2: you or your mum, whoever it is, really that was 265 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 2: looking out after you're providing for you, trying to balance 266 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 2: that duty. I'm only realizing now how tough it Isn't sure, 267 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 2: lots of parents that are laughing at me in their cars. 268 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 2: But yeah, maybe forgiveness is a good word to throw 269 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 2: in around Sunday. 270 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 5: Now you done with that, why not check out more 271 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,959 Speaker 5: from Willen Woodie on The Full Show podcast.