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Speaker 1: My Heart podcasts, Anymore kids podcasts, playlists and listen live

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Speaker 1: on the Free.

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Speaker 2: I had a look, the greatest challenge of my life

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Speaker 2: wasn't death row. It was freedom after death brow. Get it? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: this is really I've eight all right, here's a perspective.

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Speaker 2: Eighty percent of men who served more than twenty years

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Speaker 2: in solitary confinement try to kill themselves within the first

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Speaker 2: five years. Eighty percent try to kill themselves. Yeah. God,

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Speaker 2: God put me not only in jail, but he put

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Speaker 2: me on death row so I couldn't be in population

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Speaker 2: and get murdered.

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Speaker 1: Wow are you? Are you grateful for your time on

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Speaker 1: death row?

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Speaker 2: I'm just one of the greatest experiences of my life.

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Speaker 2: I'm so happy that I got to become a knowledgeable,

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Speaker 2: autodiactic educated men. Now, man, I'm I love the fact

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Speaker 2: that I have such an impact on people. I have

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Speaker 2: friends that all over the world to really relate to me,

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Speaker 2: and they love me and they care about me. And

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Speaker 2: that's because I keep putting out the positivity, you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, what's the wallst thing that you've seen in

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Speaker 1: your in your time? What's the wadest thing you think?

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Speaker 2: What's my screwdriver sticking out of the kid's head.

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Speaker 1: Oh, did not see that coming.

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Speaker 2: Wow. My first week of prison, I was walking through

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Speaker 2: the block and I saw the curtain move in this

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Speaker 2: cell and they say, don't go near their celves, don't

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Speaker 2: look at them. But I couldn't help it, you know,

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Speaker 2: And I pushed the curtain back and I walked in

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Speaker 2: and there was a kid sitting there. He couldn't have

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Speaker 2: been more He's eighteen, and he's looked at me. He said,

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Speaker 2: he said, am I gonna be okay? And I said,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go get help. And he's slumped over and

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Speaker 2: I felt bad. I felt so horrible because I lied

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Speaker 2: to him, didn't I But did I do him right

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Speaker 2: or not? But that that really, yeah, I've had I've

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Speaker 2: watched so many people dye in prisons. Crazy.

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Speaker 1: What's the most beautiful thing you've seen.

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Speaker 2: Man, I've seen myself. I hate to say this, but

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Speaker 2: I've seen myself find love. M I saw within myself

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Speaker 2: an ability to love myself when they told me I

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Speaker 2: was worthless and they were going to murder me. And

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Speaker 2: that was the most beautiful thing I could ever see.

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Speaker 2: Because it's something that has never left me.

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Speaker 1: M that's so good, Nick, I'm so happy for you.

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Speaker 1: What's happy?

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Speaker 2: What's the first thing you did when you when you

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Speaker 2: walked out of prison?

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Speaker 1: Nick, So you've had twenty three years, you're in sultry confine.

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Speaker 1: What's what's the first thing you did?

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Speaker 2: What's the first place you went? Well, they botched my release.

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Speaker 2: They told me goodbye, shook my hand, got me to

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Speaker 2: the last barrier, and said, oops, up on the piper work.

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Speaker 2: We gotta take it back.

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Speaker 1: No, Nick.

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Speaker 2: So five and a half hours later, when they finally

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Speaker 2: released me, Yeah, I walked out and it was crazy.

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Speaker 2: See my parents were there. My ex wife had left

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Speaker 2: me while I was on death row to die my

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Speaker 2: spiritual advisor, and we all went to the crocker barrel

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Speaker 2: but I couldn't eat. My father said, come on, let's

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Speaker 2: go outside. See we just calmed down because it was

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Speaker 2: an emotional day.

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Speaker 3: They botched my release for me. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So my father was sitting there and he said, you know,

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Speaker 2: money's changed. I said, what do you mean.

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Speaker 3: He goes, money's got like secret things in it. And

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Speaker 3: he gave me a twenty dollars bill and to look

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Speaker 3: at and I looked at the security thing in the

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Speaker 3: note then I folded it up, I put it in

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Speaker 3: my pocket and I laughed at him.

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Speaker 2: He goes, hey, hey, what are you doing? I say, hey,

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Speaker 2: see your little boy, you got to take care of me,

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Speaker 2: right And then he said, look, I'm dying to ask

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Speaker 2: you this. He goes, but what's the one thing You

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Speaker 2: can look around right now and everything like, it's the

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Speaker 2: one thing that's changed. And I looked around the parking

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Speaker 2: lot and I said, Poppy, it's hubcaps. There had no

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Speaker 2: more hub caps. Everything's all, he said, son of for bitch.

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Speaker 2: I didn't even pay attention. There you go. I've never

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Speaker 2: been to Australia, but I dream of coming down there. Man,

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Speaker 2: I would really love to experience that.

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Speaker 1: Please reach it, Please reach out, if you'd love to

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Speaker 1: hang out, I'd love to.

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Speaker 2: Nick.

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Speaker 1: It's been a pleasure. I think we're all in awe

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Speaker 1: of you. You're You're inspiring, man, you really are. So

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Speaker 1: congratulations on finding yourself in a place where a lot

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Speaker 1: of people would lose themselves and turning it into something beautiful.

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Speaker 1: That is that will be a legacy for so many

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Speaker 1: people to admire.

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Speaker 2: Here goes boys, you've been listening to the Will and

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Speaker 2: Wooden Show on iHeartRadio from Australia