1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: This is Outspoken the podcast. It's not afraid to say 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking. Our names are Amy Kate and 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 1: Sophie Torba. We're identical triplets, but we often don't have 4 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers 5 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: all things reality TV, influencers, entertainment, and issues facing women. 6 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: That is so fat. Thank you, Welcome back to another 7 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: episode of Outspoken. Now. I feel like I've spent the 8 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: whole weekend trying to find the best Halloween costume because Amy, 9 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: you are hosting a Halloween party in a couple of 10 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 1: weeks time, and I feel like the competition is big. 11 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: I feel like the timing is pretty dicey too, because 12 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 1: everyone knows at the moment that shipping isn't always correct. 13 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: There's been so many delays on postage, so I don't 14 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: know whether to risk it and actually order something or 15 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: do with what I have. Yeah, we'll create like a goy. 16 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: Creating a costume is always a hard one because, let's 17 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: be honest, they looked like shit. Well, I was thinking 18 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: of coming as Princess Diana. You came up with that idea, 19 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: Amy and Brandon could come as Prince Charles and it 20 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: was so cute because Mum was taking me through her 21 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: wardrobe trying to find something of that vintage. But yeah, 22 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: we're still on the hunt because I don't know how 23 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 1: to do my hair as well. Well, you guys have 24 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: big competition because I basically organized this. It's more of 25 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: a Halloween dinner. I organized it because I wanted to 26 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: dress up for someone from Money Heist, because I'm so 27 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: obsessed with Money Heist, And so I've got a day 28 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: of a costume as a professor and I'm coming as 29 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: Lisbon or Raquel. See, I thought you were going to 30 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: come as Tokyo. But is it because the week's too difficult? 31 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: It is? It is. So I'm currently on this on 32 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,279 Speaker 1: the hunt for a little nose ring, like a little 33 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: fake nose ring to be Raquel, because I feel like 34 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 1: it's all in the details for these kind of costumes. See, 35 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: I'm jealous because I love Money highst and I would 36 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: have loved to come as Tokyo or no Robi with 37 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: the bullet through the head, but I feel like I 38 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: can't come as it now. You should have just had 39 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: a Money Highest Costume party instead of like doing it 40 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: under the guise of Halloween. Well, you guys just come 41 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: as Money High. Yeah, but there's not time to order 42 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: the outfits. Why don't we have a money Highest themed 43 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: birthday party in March? We might be over it. Money 44 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: Money Highest themed engagement party. Oh, now that would be good. 45 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: Have you guys seen how amazing Molly May and Tommy 46 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: Fury's Halloween decorations look. Well, they actually had a professional 47 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: come in and do it, and I love that they 48 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: were calling it their Halloween grotto. I feel like the 49 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: word grotto is a very English term, and it's making 50 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: me excited to see what they do for Christmas because 51 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: I'm not really that into Halloween. I don't know. I 52 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: feel like I almost want Halloween to be over so 53 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: then the Christmas festivities can start. Well, the company that 54 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: did their Halloween decorations was called the Christmas Company, and 55 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 1: apparently Molly is getting them in to do their Christmas 56 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: decorations because she said they are renowned for doing celebrities 57 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: Christmas decorations. And I just feel like I would love 58 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: to be so rich that I could get a company 59 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: in to do my Christmas decorations. That would be the 60 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: ultimate dream. I feel like we've got to talk about 61 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: what some of the decorations are. So they've got this 62 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: amazing fireplace in the living room and it was covered 63 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: with this garland of scary things. So it had little 64 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: pumpkins that sounds cute, skeletons, coffins, and then they also 65 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: I love this touch because obviously it's all in the detail. 66 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: They had this glass bowl that was full of lollly eyes. 67 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: I love it because there are some houses in our 68 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: area that are really getting into Halloween, and then there 69 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: are some that do that half asked effort where they 70 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: put the cobwebs on the fence, yeah, the spider webs, 71 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 1: And I feel like some people might be confused who 72 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: don't really celebrate Halloween. They're like, why does this fence 73 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: look so terrible. It's funny you say that because Mum 74 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: and dad's next door neighbors have fake cobwebs and spiders 75 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: on their fence ready for Halloween. And Dad was saying, 76 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: how Mum and him don't need to do any of 77 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: that because they've got legitimate cobwebs all over their fence. 78 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: I'd love to hear everyone's Halloween costume suggestions. I'm gonna 79 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: put a thread in our Facebook community and people can 80 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: pop in their suggestions there. And I'd also love to 81 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: see who people have dressed up as before for Halloween, 82 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: so please go and share your picks as well. Just 83 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: like that gang, it has begun. 84 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 2: Here's and the decorations. 85 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: So so cute. But you've got like a bubbling cauldron. 86 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: This is going to be so sick. I cannot wait 87 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: till these are all in their place. Just before we 88 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: get into the topic, we just wanted to issue a 89 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 1: trigger warning because we do talk about issues surrounding abortion. 90 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: After months of speculation, Sarah's Day revealed the heartbreaking news 91 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 1: that her unborn son has some unforeseen health issues. The 92 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 1: YouTuber and her husband, Kurt Tills, opened up about the 93 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: news in a seventeen minute YouTube video on Thursday. Sophie, 94 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,239 Speaker 1: can you tell us about the video? As you said, Amy, 95 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: this video was incredibly heartbreaking and difficult to watch, and 96 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 1: I really feel for Sarah and Kurt. Sarah explained in 97 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: the video that at the ten week mark, she got 98 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: an NIPT scan and blood examination. So for those who 99 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: don't know, NIPT stands for non Invasive prenatal testing and 100 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: it screens for the most common chromosomal abnormalities that can 101 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: affect a baby's future health. So, following on from that test, 102 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: Sarah received the news that sadly, her baby had what 103 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: she described as some unforeseen health issues that you wouldn't 104 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 1: expect a baby to have. She added that it had 105 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 1: nothing to do with her and Kurt and that it 106 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: was a case of the luck of the draw. So 107 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: she explained that her and Kurt didn't want to disclose 108 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: what the health issue is as they don't want it 109 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: to define their son. She also disclosed that she had 110 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: to wait for two and a half weeks to have 111 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: further testing to find out more about the health concern. So, 112 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,559 Speaker 1: following on from that test, she said she was told 113 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: by the doctor to terminate the pregnancy for her own 114 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: wellbeing and also for the well being of the child. 115 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: Sarah spoke though about how she proceessed the doctor's words 116 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: and came to the decision to keep her baby. She 117 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: explained that it was the most pressure she's ever had 118 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: in herself and Kurt, and that Kurt was supportive either way, 119 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 1: and you could tell that it really weighed heavy on 120 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: her mind what people would think of her, which I 121 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: can totally understand. With the platform and also criticism that's 122 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: leveled at her on a regular basis. She said she 123 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:00,679 Speaker 1: wanted if it was mean of her to keep the baby, 124 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: and I just found it really difficult to listen to 125 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: and process. So Sarah finished the video by saying that 126 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: she was now at peace with her decision and she's 127 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: been working with a team of doctors who specialize in 128 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 1: the baby's health condition. She also said the praying, reading 129 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: the Bible, and listening to worship music has really been 130 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: helping her on this journey. What I found really interesting 131 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 1: was Sarah talking through her decision to share the news. 132 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: It was clearly something really hard for her to do, 133 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 1: and a lot of people have been questioning her need 134 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: to share it at all. Sarah said she had gone 135 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: back and forth in her head about making the video 136 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: and considered the prose about opening up for people in 137 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 1: similar situations to her. She said her doctors even suggested 138 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: that she could be the spokesperson for the health condition, 139 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,479 Speaker 1: but she said her number one drive at the moment 140 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 1: is to protect her baby, and for them, one way 141 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: of doing it was not disclosing what the health issue is. 142 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: Let's throw to what Sarah and Kurt said. 143 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 2: Our way of protecting him at the moment is not 144 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 2: disclosing what this health issue is, because even to define him, yeah, like. 145 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 3: Em to just live the most like amazing life possible 146 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 3: without like any limitations being placed upon him. 147 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 2: So yeah, and we were kind of thinking, like if 148 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 2: this was us, if I was if I was our 149 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 2: son I and I was completely asymptomatic and I didn't 150 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 2: actually present any of these issues, I would kind of 151 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 2: say to my mom, like, Mum, why did you tell 152 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 2: the whole world? So I guess people are like, well, 153 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 2: why are you saying this? Then, like, why are you 154 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 2: telling us anything? 155 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: Number One, it's to open. 156 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 2: Up that maybe during this pregnancy I might not I 157 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 2: may go through waves of like not being super bubbly, 158 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 2: or I may be extra anxious. Number Two, that if 159 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 2: our baby ever does go through differences or like doesn't 160 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 2: reach milestones, just be sensitive and compassionate to him. Because 161 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 2: people are intense on the internet. They are they're already 162 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 2: intense to Foxy, and. 163 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: You know, Foxy is a weapon. 164 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 2: I don't know in the moment. Honestly, this is what 165 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 2: feels right for us, and I think this is the 166 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 2: right thing to do. And I've talked to obviously my 167 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 2: parents and my sisters and my friends, And I'm like, 168 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 2: how much do I disclose? 169 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: How little do I disclose? 170 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 2: And I've gone through days of saying I'm not going. 171 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 3: To say anything, not to mention this is what we know, 172 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 3: Like this is this is this is what our family 173 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 3: dynamic is. It's youtubing, it's talking to you at home. 174 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: So yeah, the need for Sarah and Kurt to come 175 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: out and share this announcement really got us thinking about 176 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: family vlogging and the impact it is having on the 177 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 1: children involved as well as the parents. And while the 178 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: name is pretty straightforward, essentially, family vlogging is content creation 179 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: centered around the day to day life of families, and 180 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: it can be a very lucrative business, with people making 181 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: a serious living from family YouTube channels. Now, content on 182 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: family vlogging channels can really be about anything the family likes, 183 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:56,439 Speaker 1: from family vacations to cleaning kitchen cupboards to documenting a 184 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: child's milestones. And to me, I've noticed family vlogging usually 185 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: has a big aspirational element to the content creation, and 186 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: I feel like this is a part of how content 187 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: creators build an audience by presenting the kind of lifestyle 188 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: that people really want to have and be living. So 189 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: this means that parents on family YouTube channels normally present 190 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: themselves as inspirational parents. So some normal traits that you 191 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: see on parents on family YouTube channels includes being fit 192 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: and healthy, being attractive, fun and caring, and of course 193 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: being humble and relatable. Also, one big part of having 194 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: the perfect YouTube family is having kids that are cute, 195 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: fun and happy to be on camera. So at the 196 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: end of the day, I really feel like family vlogging 197 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: is the ultimate family business for those who want to 198 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 1: get paid for raising their child. What I find really 199 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: interesting about the family YouTube channels is that most of 200 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,719 Speaker 1: the time the channel was created before the YouTuber had 201 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: a family. So in the case of Sarah's Day, I 202 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: don't know whether you'd consider her channel a family logging 203 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 1: channel this stage, but she started off as a fitness influencer, 204 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: and so many of the other family channels started off 205 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: as beauty accounts, and then the YouTuber god a family 206 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: and it's turned into a family channel, or it's really 207 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: the evolution for people as they get older. I feel 208 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: like vlogging was thought to be a twenty something's game, 209 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: but now as influencers are aging, it is becoming. We 210 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: are interested to see how their family and lives are developing, 211 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: and we want to come along for that journey. But 212 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: while I feel like it is a good way for 213 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: people to earn a lot of money for spending time 214 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: with your children, I think it's also highly problematic. With 215 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: family vlogging being a relatively new phenomenon, it's difficult to 216 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 1: know what the long term impact is going to have 217 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: on children that are involved. It's so true because Kate 218 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: and I were talking about this the other day and 219 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: we were saying, it's really odd because if you think 220 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 1: back twenty years ago, a list celebrities were all that 221 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: people spoke about, and now it seems like influencers have 222 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: taken over a little bit from the traditional celebrity well 223 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: because they don't because normal celebrities don't open up. We 224 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: have this to know more about their lives. That's why 225 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: we buy magazines to hear all the dirty details going on. 226 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: But these people happily give us those details exactly. And 227 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: if you think about it, think if some of the 228 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 1: biggest celebrities that were talked about they never shared details 229 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: about their children. Think back to Michael Jackson. He used 230 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: to give masks to cover his children's faces. And most 231 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: traditional celebrities don't have a desire to share about their children, 232 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: but that's because they have a skill. So you know, 233 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: there's actresses and singers and we follow them and like 234 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: them because of this skill they have. But now we've 235 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: got this new age of celebrity and their YouTubers, and 236 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: their talent is sharing or over sharing information about their lives. 237 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: Their life is their commodity exactly. Yeah, But it's kind 238 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: of similar to what we saw with the Kardashians because 239 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: they were the you know, their celebrities, but they've also 240 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: got a reality to TV show, so they've got a 241 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 1: toll in both camps of being an A lister but 242 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: then also monetizing their milestones in their life. And you 243 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: saw how Courtney decided to you know, she shared everything, 244 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: she shared herself, pulling her first son, Mason out when 245 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: she was giving birth to him. But then you saw 246 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 1: how Kim wanted to keep well, I think it was 247 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: really coming from Kanye. Wanted to keep her family, her 248 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: kids private, and they didn't show their faces for a 249 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: long time. I do think it's interesting because, as you said, 250 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: family vlogging can turn very problematic. And I think that 251 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: turn happens when the parents turn their family lifestyle into 252 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: a brand and into content, and instead of actually documenting 253 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: the things that they normally do, they start to sort 254 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: of play up to the camera. And when that happens, 255 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: children's looks and the way they behave become a part 256 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: of business and it's no longer family life. But you 257 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: start to think about the audience that you're presenting your 258 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: family life too well. Also, followers start comparing their own 259 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: child to the children that they're seeing on YouTube. So, 260 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: for instance, going back to Sarah's Day, there has been 261 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: a lot of unfair criticism Fox and what stages he's 262 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 1: up to. It's even happened with Sky Wheatley's son Forest 263 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: and Mother's at Homer comparing, oh does my child meet 264 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: up to theirs? Is their child lacking behind? And I 265 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: think that comparison can become really dangerous and unhelpful. Do 266 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: you think somebody likes Sarah's Day though, could have kept 267 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: her child offline because they share so much information about themselves. 268 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: Could they do what Kim and Kanye did and try 269 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: and keep their children out of the spotlight or do 270 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: you think that that would just ruin their YouTube career. Well, 271 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: I obviously think that it would be really hard for 272 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: someone like Sarah's Day, who before she had Fox, was 273 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: sharing vlogs every three days and of course the content, Yes, 274 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: it had a fitness element to it, but it was 275 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: very much a lifestyle channel where she shared her life. 276 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: And I think as you progress your YouTube channel, there 277 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: is a bigger desire for audiences to find out more 278 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: about your personal life, and of course a big part 279 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: of that is sharing about pregnancy. And as we've said, 280 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: family vlogging channels are massive. They get millions of followers, 281 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 1: and I think it part of it is because there 282 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: are people like us who don't have children that are 283 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 1: watching thinking, oh okay, let me get an insight into 284 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: what it's like. And then there are also families that 285 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: want to be like, is what I'm doing normal? Like 286 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: how do other people do it? It's a real fly 287 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: on the wall moment, and I can see why people 288 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: get sucked into watching it. But back to your question 289 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: about whether she could have kept him offline, I don't 290 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: think she could have kept her channel authentic without sharing 291 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: about her children. Yeah, But that being said, I think 292 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: that you can share about your child but you can 293 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: also not go into the detail that some of these 294 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: influencers and bloggers choose to go into. For instance, I 295 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: think there's some things that are just out of bound. 296 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: For instance, for me, if I have a child one 297 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: day and I choose to share about them on my 298 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: own personal Instagram account for my friends to see, I'm 299 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: not going to be sharing the tantrums they have because 300 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: I don't think that that child is fair to that 301 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: child to do. Yeah, and a lot of the videos 302 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: center around potty training kids and all of those kind 303 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: of kids on the staff, Like, for me, that's a 304 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: big no go. It's really milestones and how the parents 305 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: are teaching their children how to do certain things. I 306 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: think the difficulty is that children become the heart of 307 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: the family vlogging channel, and they essentially then become a 308 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: source of income for the family, and ultimately this place 309 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: is a massive burden on children. And I think with 310 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: so much for child's life being shared for likes and 311 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: being monetized, it's surely going to have a big effect 312 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: on a child's sense of self. Because while parents may 313 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: stop their children from reading the comment section, and I 314 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: really hope they do, kids are very aware of when 315 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: they're being filmed, and they are known to behave more 316 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: self consciously when they are on camera. So if there 317 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: is a camera around all the time and children are 318 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: constantly being filmed, they do start to consider how people 319 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: are perceiving them. And this increased self consciousness can actually 320 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: lead to issues with body image, an unhealthy need for validation, 321 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: and for children to suffer from anxiety. And I think 322 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: this is such a really hard pill to swallow because 323 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, these kids don't consent 324 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: to being on the YouTube channel. Some of them are 325 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: filmed being born. I mean, can you believe that these children? 326 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: I mean, we're talking previously about Sarah's Day, whose child 327 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: is still unborn, and it's a topic for discussion. It's crazy. 328 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: As you touched on ka, I think the consent is 329 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: one of the biggest issues surrounding family vlogging channels. And 330 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: while parents may say that their child loves being on 331 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: the channel and loves being on camera, there is this 332 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: real sense of imbalance of power that exists between the 333 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: adult and the child. And it's clear that children often 334 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: respect those in a position of authority, particularly parents, so 335 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: they will just listen to what their parents says and 336 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: do what they say and be in the channel, and 337 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: they have no idea at the age of one that 338 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: there's going to be this permanent record of all their 339 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: embarrassing moments on the internet. Like, can you imagine how 340 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: mortifying or be having all of your potty training moments 341 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: or tantrums on the internet forever. I just personally think 342 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: it's really unfair to share each child's steps of development 343 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 1: to complete strangers on the internet, to be discussed and compared, because, 344 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: as she said, Sophie, there are so many cases where 345 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:11,239 Speaker 1: people are discussing the development of YouTuber's children in and 346 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: while yeah, it seems a bit gross to be doing that, 347 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: it's human nature to compare, and if it's been put 348 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 1: out on YouTube, you're gonna watch it and start talking 349 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: about it. But there's also the bigger issue of predators online, 350 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: which I think is too big of an issue for 351 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: us to go into on here. But it is a 352 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 1: clear problem with these sort of channels, particularly when people 353 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 1: are sharing their children potty training and in the bath. Yeah, 354 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: and the thing is, I feel like children have the 355 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: right to the freedom of making mistakes without being judged 356 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: or without it being commented on. And to have it 357 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 1: out there in the world forever. It just doesn't sit 358 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: well with me. Well. Psychologists have recently discovered that family 359 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 1: blogging can actually affect the parent's decision making when it 360 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: comes to their family, which I found super interesting. So 361 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: it often starts off with small decisions. So perhaps a 362 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: parent will decide to take their child to the beach 363 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 1: because they know how good it will look in a vlog. 364 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: So even if it is somewhat of a subconscious decision, 365 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: often the parent is trying to cultivate a particular image 366 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 1: for their audience, so they do consider their fan base 367 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 1: when making some of these decisions. So while it might 368 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: start out small like this, that type of thinking can 369 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: actually become a pattern that quite easily comes into bigger 370 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 1: decisions as well. So without the parent even realizing it, 371 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 1: they can be basing big decisions in life. They make 372 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 1: off what they think that their fan base is going 373 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: to think. So, if you think about it, it would 374 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 1: take an incredible amount of self control and self awareness 375 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: for them not to be swayed somewhat by their audience. 376 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: So even if they think they are making their decision 377 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: completely independently, how can they be sure of it? Yeah, 378 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: especially when decisions can be difficult enough when you're considering 379 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: what your family and friends think. But imagine how tough 380 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: it would be if you had all these millions of 381 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: followers critiquing every move you made with your family, particularly 382 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,400 Speaker 1: on very big issues. Well, one instance where a family's 383 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 1: decision making process was put unto the microscope was the 384 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: Staifer family. Kate, can you tell us about it? Yeah? 385 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: So the Steifer family have really built their own social 386 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: media empire. The mother, Meeka Stefer, started out having her 387 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: own lifestyle YouTube channel which has almost seven hundred thousand 388 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: subscribers and she has around two hundred thousand Instagram followers. Now, 389 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: her husband James also has his own YouTube channel about cars, 390 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,199 Speaker 1: and together they created a family vlogging channel called That 391 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 1: stayfa Life, which at one point had three hundred and 392 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 1: thirty three thousand subscribers. So the family decided to adopt 393 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,479 Speaker 1: a boy with special needs from China called Huxley. However, 394 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: rather than waiting to finalize the adoption process before sharing 395 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: it on their channel, they decided to document the process 396 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: in real time. Therefore, it was really clear that the 397 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: Stafas were made very aware of Huckley's special needs. Before 398 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 1: the adoption was complete, Meeker even made a video where 399 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 1: she said she and her husband already considered Huxley their 400 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: son and nothing would stop them from wanting to take 401 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: care of him. So Huxley joined the Staifa family when 402 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,199 Speaker 1: he was two, and Meeka and James had three biological 403 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: children and went on to have a fourth. 404 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 4: Now. 405 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,919 Speaker 1: Once the adoption had been finalized, the family uploaded several 406 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: updates from Huxley, including documenting his developmental process as he 407 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: settled in. However, three years into the adoption, Meekha and 408 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: James announced that they had decided to rehome Huxley. So 409 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: when they announced their decision to rehome Huxley, they said 410 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: that several experts had told them that he needed more, 411 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: but they didn't clarify exactly what had been advised. And 412 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: it's really important to point out that the Stafer family 413 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 1: are incredibly wealthy, and I feel like this point is 414 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: important because it's really difficult to accept the reasoning that 415 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: they couldn't afford the necessary care or training needed for Huxley, 416 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 1: and many fans have been left asking why weren't the 417 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: staff family willing to provide the care Huxley needed and 418 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 1: would they have given their own biological child away if 419 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: they had severe needs. Now, these are very harsh questions 420 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:02,199 Speaker 1: that people are asking on the internet. However, I feel 421 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: like if you are going to put that type of 422 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 1: information out onto the internet, you were going to get scrutinized. 423 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 1: And the fact that they decided to share the about 424 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 1: the adoption before it had even been finalized, there's a 425 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 1: lot of question marks over it. It is really difficult 426 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 1: because it does seem quite discussing that people are discussing 427 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: these families very personal decisions. But as you said, because 428 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 1: they share so much of their life, of course people 429 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: are going to talk about it. Of Course people are 430 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: going to have an opinion on how this family have acted. 431 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: It's a really, really difficult situation. And before, Sophi, you 432 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: were talking about how decision making is impacted if you 433 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 1: have a family YouTube channel, and it does make you 434 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: think about, well, the fact that the family decided to 435 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: document that they were adopting a child and that they 436 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: took on a child with special needs. There's obviously some 437 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: very aspirational elements to doing something so fantastic like that, 438 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: So you do wonder did having a vlogging channel impact 439 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 1: on some of this decision making around firstly opting the 440 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 1: child and then secondly deciding to rehome Huxley, because many 441 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: people were questioning, well did they re home him because 442 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: he wasn't fitting in with the esthetic of the channel. 443 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 1: Perhaps they didn't have time to create content because they 444 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 1: were having to look after him. There's another controversial UK 445 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 1: family called the Seconi Jolies and they have over one 446 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 1: point seventy five million subscribers and up until recently, they 447 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: shared content on YouTube every single day and the account 448 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,199 Speaker 1: was very much pushed by the father, Jonathan So he 449 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 1: and his wife Anna have been accused of exploiting their 450 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 1: four children online due to the fact that they overshared 451 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: details about their lives like many family channels, and this year, 452 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: Jonathan controversially posted a YouTube video entitled coming Out. In 453 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: the video, he revealed when he was younger, he had 454 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: a number of imaginary friends, one of which was a 455 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 1: little girl who he felt was the true him growing up. 456 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 1: So he didn't elaborate whether he still had these feelings 457 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: or whether he can considered him self transgender, but he 458 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 1: said his young child Eduardo, had helped him feel brave 459 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 1: enough to share this side of his life. So Jonathan 460 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 1: and his wife have publicly spoken about how their son, 461 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: Eduardo has a more feminine side and enjoys wearing dresses, 462 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,120 Speaker 1: and this has been very much publicized on the family's 463 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 1: YouTube account as well as the family's Instagram. So they 464 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: show photos of Eduardo in address and even a school 465 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 1: uniform which clearly identifies what school he goes to. So 466 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 1: at the end of this video, where Jonathan explained that 467 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: he had feelings of being trapped in a different body, 468 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 1: he promoted a book he had written talking about his 469 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 1: childhood experience, and a lot of people online took offense 470 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: to this and accused him of profiteering off a quote 471 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: trendy topic, and he was also accused of queer baiting 472 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 1: due to naming the video coming out only to then 473 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: promote his own book, and many people have questioned whether 474 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: he should be sharing such personal details about his young 475 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 1: son's life. Choices to say, while I don't necessarily think 476 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: that perhaps his father has gone about it in the 477 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 1: right way, I do think it is refreshing and helpful 478 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: for us to see not your stereotypical family out there, 479 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 1: because there are so many children that experience different things 480 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 1: in life and there are families out there he would 481 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,679 Speaker 1: find it quite comforting to be able to relate to 482 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 1: someone going through an experience like this. I do agree 483 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 1: in one way, but I also think there's a lot 484 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 1: of pressure on this little boy because it could just 485 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:25,439 Speaker 1: be a phase that he's going through. A lot of 486 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 1: kids love to dress up and wear different outfits, and 487 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 1: I just feel like there's a lot of pressure now 488 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: placed on him to identify as a particular way when 489 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 1: really this kid should just be thinking about himself and yeah, 490 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: and he might not want to be the poster child 491 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: for this particular issue or want this information out about 492 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: him for people to talk about. I think it's interesting 493 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: because we've spoken a lot about how children are impacted 494 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: by family vlogging, but there are also implications for parents. 495 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: So there was one YouTuber called Daddy five and his 496 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: real name is Mick and his wife is Heather, and 497 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: they have five children together, and they started off this 498 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 1: prank YouTube channel, and in the end it really became 499 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: a channel where the parents were emotionally and physically abusing 500 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,160 Speaker 1: their children in the guise of humor. It was really disgusting. 501 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: There was one prank where the father poured this ink 502 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: on the ground in the son's bedroom, and it was 503 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,679 Speaker 1: actually ink that would evaporate and so it wouldn't actually stain. 504 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,719 Speaker 1: And the father set up the camera and just yelled 505 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: and swore at his son and berated him for getting 506 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 1: this ink stained on the carpet, and the kid broke 507 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: down was absolutely hysterical over it. And then there was 508 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: this other instance where the kids were asked to flip 509 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: water bottles, you know how you get the bottle to land, 510 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: and if the bottle didn't land on its base, someone 511 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: would hit the child. So the daughter ended up being 512 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: slapped really hard across the face by her step brother. 513 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: They actually bought this, Yes, they put this on the channel, 514 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,360 Speaker 1: and fortunately other YouTubers got involved and contacted the police 515 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 1: over this, and the YouTube channel ended up being deleted 516 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: and the parents lost custody of their two young children. Well, 517 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: that is obviously a very extreme situation. In general, what 518 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: do you guys think should happen to these YouTube family channels. 519 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 1: I really believe that parents with family blogging channel should 520 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,360 Speaker 1: be consulting with experts in psychology, and I also think 521 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 1: that there needs to be more online laws surrounding what 522 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: is acceptable to show online. Yeah, because we've seen a 523 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 1: lot of legislation come into effect around child actors and 524 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: how many hours that they can work. But it seems 525 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: like there's really it's the wild West out there for 526 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,199 Speaker 1: kids on YouTube. Parents can get their kids working for 527 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 1: hours and hours being filmed. They can really exploit them, 528 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: and there doesn't seem to be any punishment. In fact, 529 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: people seem to be cashing in on putting their children 530 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 1: on YouTube, and it's quite gross. Do you guys think 531 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,880 Speaker 1: that we need to stop watching these channels that exploit 532 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: children because I feel like we're just almost enabling it 533 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: in a way. It's hard because I feel like some 534 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,919 Speaker 1: channels aren't necessarily exploiting their children. Some channels can be 535 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 1: really good to show other people. You know, this certain 536 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: side of motherhood and fatherhood. Thing is, we don't know. 537 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,159 Speaker 1: The thing is it might seem all happy days and 538 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: really nice because there are YouTube channels that I watch 539 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 1: that show family life, and I do enjoy watching them, 540 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: but I there is a part of me that thinks, wow, 541 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: this is so new that we don't really know the 542 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: full impact it's going to have on the children that 543 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: are on these channels that haven't agreed to be on 544 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 1: the channels because there's a big difference between oh, look, 545 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: this is my cute toddler to when the child becomes 546 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: thirteen and they might not want all their family life 547 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 1: being aired, and they might not want their friends seeing 548 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: all their private details, Like there's a line and what 549 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: happens when your kid's not cute enough to be making 550 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: you money anymore? Does that change the dynamic in the family. 551 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 4: I don't know. I've always aspired to want to grow 552 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 4: a mullet and sort of started in school when our 553 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 4: hair had to be off areas and off the color 554 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 4: and stuff. And yeah, since then, since I finished, I 555 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 4: just it hasn't stopped guying. I just treamer every now 556 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,199 Speaker 4: and then. But yeah, it's about it. 557 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 1: Western Bulldog star Bailey Smith has opened up about his 558 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: struggles with mental health and his sudden rise to fame 559 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: on podcast Common Chaos. While speaking on Cartia Milan's new podcast, 560 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: the pair also shot down rumors they're dating Amy. Can 561 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 1: you tell us just what a hot commodity Bailey Smith 562 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 1: is at the moment? Well, Bailey Smith is currently the 563 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: pin up of the jen Z generation, and he has 564 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 1: all the makings of a social media star. He's of 565 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: course got his blonde mullet, his six pack abs, and 566 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 1: he also knows how to take a really good photo 567 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,880 Speaker 1: for Instagram. And despite not having as big a profile 568 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: in the game, he is the most followed footballer in 569 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: the AFL with three hundred and forty four thousand Instagram followers, 570 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: so he's recently surpassed Buddy Franklin and Dustin Martin and 571 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 1: it's crazy to think he started the year with one 572 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty thousand followers. He's arguably Footy's hottest commodity 573 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: right now. He's a brand ambassador for cotton On, Monster 574 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: Energy drink and Telstra. I feel like he is really 575 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: falling into the influencer space, which is why I really 576 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: wanted to talk about him today. And I thought we 577 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: should start with some of the lighthearted stuff that got 578 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: discussed in the podcast before we delve into some of 579 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: the heavier issues. So Cartier started the podcast by revealing 580 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: that she met Bailey on Saturday night and they were 581 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: recording the podcast on the Tuesday. Wow, so in the 582 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: four days of knowing him, they sounded pretty close because 583 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: she started by calling him Booboo. So she said that 584 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: she likes to make up nicknames for all of his friends. 585 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: So throughout the whole long podcast that I listened to, 586 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 1: she called him booboo. So she's out really, so she's like, hey, Booboo, 587 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: you know what's going on? He was so annoying. It 588 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: was just so cringe and it was sort of, Oh, 589 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: I can't believe people think we're dating. Yeah, I'm calling 590 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: you this very affectionate nickname. Yeah, do you guys call 591 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: any of your friends booboo or definitely not male friends 592 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: as well. And that's what I was going to touch 593 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: on Kate. So they started off the podcast by almost 594 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: sounding offended that people assumed that they were some sort 595 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: of item when that was the aim of all the 596 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 1: Instagram exactly. So she said that, you know, she gets 597 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 1: quite cozy with a lot of her male friends, and 598 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: she can't understand why people would jump to conclusions from 599 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 1: Instagram posts with their arms around one another that people 600 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: would think they're an item. So, as I said, these 601 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: two have spent four full days with each other. They 602 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: kept talking about these stories as if they'd known each 603 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: other their whole lives, and also talking about how well 604 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: they had connected, like, Okay, you may not be dating currently, 605 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: but it seems like it's on the cards because there 606 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: was this you know, ridiculous amount of chemistry and connection 607 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: that they kept going on about that they had. They 608 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: said that they really got each other. So within the 609 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: four days of knowing each other, from the stories they 610 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: told them the podcast, Cartia has already been to the 611 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: shops styling him with what sort of clothes that she likes. 612 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: They'd been to the markets where they she discussed in 613 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 1: details what she wants for her soulmate. They'd had really 614 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: huge dn ms about mental health, and she'd also discussed 615 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: all being in the car with him driving around anyway. 616 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: So leading each other's friends, it's clear that these two, 617 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: despite saying that there's nothing going on, that they're on 618 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: the path to becoming something. Because I'm sorry that she 619 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: also said how beautiful he was, what a gorgeous man 620 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: he was, thing, I mean, that's great, Like if they 621 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: are beginning to date, good on them. They sound like 622 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: they'd be quite good together. But I don't understand this 623 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 1: whole you know, shock that people are going to think 624 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: that they're an item or He did reiterate again that 625 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: they were his big sisters and that they were kind 626 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: of his tour guides because he also said that he 627 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: plans after football to relocate to Brisbane, and he'd had 628 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: a discussion with Cartia that he would like to have 629 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 1: his children grow up in Brisbane and go to primary 630 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: school there and then move them back to Melbourne to 631 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: do high school. So, I mean, they're all very strange 632 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: conversations to be having with someone you've just met. Yeah, 633 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 1: just a normal conversation you'd have with someone you'd met 634 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: a couple of days ago, where you want to send 635 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: your future kids to school and where you want to live. 636 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: It seems all very deep and on the topic of 637 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: strange if you're dating somebody to have these conversations, but 638 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: they're no protesting their dos friends. Yeah. The other thing 639 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: I've got to say before we get into some of 640 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 1: the heavier discussion is I almost had to turn this 641 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: interview off because the word like was said, oh yeah 642 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: many times, And Bailey also said, I don't know about 643 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: ten times every time he would say like a paragraph, 644 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: it was like, are you just a word like? Just 645 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: then yourself? I mean, it's easy enough to say. It 646 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 1: becomes so part of our language, and I am guilty 647 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: of saying it, but it was almost to the point 648 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 1: where I couldn't listen. I was getting that frustrated. And 649 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: I also felt like they thought that everything they were 650 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 1: saying was so profound. It's funny because when we used 651 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: to do Out under the Influence episodes, we'd sometimes talk 652 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 1: to influencers and I always had to edit them and 653 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 1: one episode I won't I can't even remember which influencer 654 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: it was, but they said the word like so many times. 655 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: I tried to cut it out because it was so distracting. Well, 656 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: I did notice in a couple of the newspaper articles 657 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 1: that reported on stuff said during this podcast that they 658 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: did cut out all the likes and that you know's 659 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: in the quotes. We're just turning to some of the 660 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: heavier topics discussed in this podcast. Bailey did open up 661 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: about the challenge of his rapid rise to fame and 662 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: its effect on his mental health. So can you tell 663 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 1: us a little bit more? Yeah, Well, Bailey admitted that 664 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: he struggled with eating disorders, panic attacks, sleepless nights, and 665 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 1: also anxiety, and he said that when he was a teenager, 666 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: he didn't open up because he was scared of being judged, 667 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 1: and he said that it was refreshing meeting the girls 668 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 1: because they made him feel less alone. He said, there's 669 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: so many people around you and wanting this and that 670 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 1: from you, it's so easy to feel empty inside, as 671 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 1: dark as that sounds, and I think it was so 672 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 1: refreshing to hear a young man with so much influence 673 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 1: being so open about his emotions and also the battles 674 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: he's had with mental health. And I feel like he's 675 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: really showing other men that it's not weak to talk 676 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 1: about your emotions and to get the help when you 677 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 1: need it, because he also opened up that he is 678 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: seeking help at the moment and he is on medication 679 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: for his mental health, and I think it's so great 680 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: the fact that he really is this number one post 681 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: a boy for the AFL at the moment, considering that 682 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 1: these are the topics that he's speaking on. It really 683 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: shows this shift, I think, with jen Z being more 684 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: open to talk about mental health and accepting people that 685 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: are different. I mean, he's very well known for wearing 686 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 1: flamboyant clothes and his haircut, and I just think it 687 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: is so interesting to see this shift in the AFL 688 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: and the upcoming players. And I really hope this continues, 689 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,720 Speaker 1: and the fact that it is being so well received, 690 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,760 Speaker 1: he is so popular for doing so. He did also 691 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: speak about feeling objectified online by men and women, and 692 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,760 Speaker 1: this came off the back of a nude photo drama 693 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: which happened on the ground final day. I didn't actually 694 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 1: realize it was on ground Final. Wow. And I just 695 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,760 Speaker 1: can't imagine how off putting this would have been. Because 696 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 1: he plays for the Western Bulldogs, who were of course 697 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: in the ground Final. How tough would it be with 698 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,399 Speaker 1: all of this going on behind the scenes and you're 699 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 1: trying to concentrate and pull your energy into the biggest 700 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 1: game of your life, especially for a person who's only 701 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,720 Speaker 1: twenty years old. So this is what he's say about 702 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:01,880 Speaker 1: the nude photo scandal. 703 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,319 Speaker 4: There was a fake new that got shared around Australia. 704 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:06,320 Speaker 1: Can address. 705 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 4: I addressed it and put the actual photo on my 706 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 4: So I was playing this was like the day of 707 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 4: the Grand Final. It's biggest game of my life, and 708 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 4: I get showed this photo by the boys and like 709 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 4: everyone's like sort of whispering, like at. 710 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 1: Breakfast before you were playing. 711 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm like it was real. No, they sort 712 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 4: of knew it was photoshop. 713 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 1: You know they've seen it. 714 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,799 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they know how it hangs. And this one right, no, no, 715 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 4: actually though they do. We're in the like you don't 716 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,720 Speaker 4: understand futty clubs. And this one was very much too. 717 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 2: It was weird. 718 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 4: You have to see the photo. 719 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 1: Just moving on from there, Bailey also talked about the 720 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 1: craziest DM he received. Yeah, he said that he has 721 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 1: stopped reading his d ms now, but he did receive 722 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 1: a message from a man who offered to send him 723 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars to sleep with him. This reminds me 724 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 1: of all the messages from creepy people that the female 725 00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,879 Speaker 1: influencers get about wanting to have their foot photo, isn't 726 00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:03,840 Speaker 1: it thing? So after this interview came out with Bailey Smith, 727 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 1: news broke that he had been allegedly involved in a assault. 728 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 1: So he has been accused of shoving someone outside a 729 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 1: Gold Coast night spot on October four. And this news 730 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 1: I think was quite a shock for a lot of 731 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 1: people because he has been so open about his mental 732 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 1: health and I feel like we've got a really good 733 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 1: impression of this really nice guy and what is about 734 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 1: and then these news, this news keeps coming out that 735 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,400 Speaker 1: kind of conflicts that character. I mean, of course, we 736 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,839 Speaker 1: saw him out at a nightclub after the Bulldogs lost 737 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 1: the Grand Final, and he and his mates were all 738 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 1: screaming and talking about rooting girls. And it just seems 739 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 1: like that there is this very stereotypical opinion of him 740 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 1: that the media, the mainstream media, are putting out, but 741 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,919 Speaker 1: he seems to be combating that by doing these podcast interviews. Yeah. Well, 742 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 1: I mean in his defense, I suppose we don't know 743 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,360 Speaker 1: what actually went on, because, as we're saying, he is 744 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,800 Speaker 1: a hot commodity at the moment. Obviously, the newspaper and 745 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 1: online publications get clicks whenever he's mentioned in anything. A 746 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 1: huge footy brawl outside a nightclub is going to get 747 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 1: attention online. And the fact that the Bulldogs have released 748 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 1: their own statement confirming that no further action would be 749 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 1: taken by the club following their own investigations suggests that 750 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 1: maybe this situation or incident has been blown out of proportions. 751 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,839 Speaker 1: I mean, they said a shoving incident that, you know, 752 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: I don't think maybe it was that severe. Well, I 753 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: guess we'll just have to wait and see what transpires 754 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,239 Speaker 1: in this story. Well, I think that's all we have 755 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,359 Speaker 1: time for today. Thank you so much for joining us 756 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,840 Speaker 1: for today's episode. If you have enjoyed it, could you 757 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 1: please make sure you ask subscribe to the podcast and 758 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: leave us a rating if you haven't already, And if 759 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: you do want to join in the conversation, head to 760 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 1: our Facebook group which has outspoken to the podcast community. 761 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 1: Make sure to put in your suggestions for our Halloween costumer. 762 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 1: It is desperate times at the moment.