1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily OS. 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: Oh now it makes sense. 3 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,639 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Tuesday, 4 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 2: the twenty seventh of August. I'm Zara, I'm Nandini. Today 5 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 2: Nandini is back on the pod to talk us through 6 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 2: the government's new plan to crack down on the aviation industry. 7 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: Yesterday, the Government hands it down its vision for Australia's 8 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: aviation sector. Basically, it's saying it's going to boost consumer rights, 9 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: increase competition, support regional aviation and help the sector become 10 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: more environmentally friendly. But the opposition has called the report 11 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: a quote missed opportunity and accuse the government of mishandling 12 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: what it's called an aviation crisis. So what does the 13 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: government want to change and what will it actually take 14 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: to overhaul the sector. We'll tell you more about that 15 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: in today's Deep Dive. But first, Sarah, what's making headlines. 16 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 2: The Northern Territory's new Chief Minister, Lea Forinochiaro has unveiled 17 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 2: how she plans to tackle youth crime, including lowering the 18 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 2: criminal age of responsibility. The NT became the first jurisdiction 19 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 2: in Australia to raise the age from ten to twelve 20 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 2: last year. However, Finochiaro has pledged to reverse that change 21 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 2: days after her Country Liberal party defeated Labour in the 22 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 2: territory election. The Chief Minister has also floated the possibility 23 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 2: of introducing boot camps for younger people, as well as 24 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 2: a proposed bill known as Declan's Law. That law would 25 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 2: see anyone accused of a violent offense denied bail. 26 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,559 Speaker 1: Australian Paralympians will be paid the same amount as Olympians 27 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: for winning medals at the upcoming Paralympic Games. According to 28 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: a federal government announcement, para athletes competing in Paris will 29 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: be entitled to twenty thousand dollars for winning gold, fifteen 30 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: thousand for silver and ten thousand dollars for bronze if 31 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: they commit to continuing in their sport at an elite life. 32 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: Paralympics Australia said para athletes deserve to know their achievements 33 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: would be quote valued equally to their Olympic colleague, and 34 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: that the funding boost will give them the confidence and 35 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: motivation to compete at their best. The Paralympics opening ceremony 36 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 1: will be held in Paris this Thursday, marking the start 37 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: of nearly two weeks of competition. 38 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 2: Twenty three people have been killed in southwestern Pakistan after 39 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 2: gunman opened fire and set vehicles alight during two separate 40 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 2: incidents in Balakistan. Pakistan's President Asif Ali Zadari has condemned 41 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 2: what he called brutal attacks and has promised to bring 42 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 2: those responsible to justice. Balakistan has been at the center 43 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 2: of violent unrest as authorities clashed with separatist groups who 44 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 2: want the region to become an independent state from Pakistan. 45 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: And for today's good news, a one hundred and two 46 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 1: year old war veteran has celebrated her birthday by becoming 47 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: the oldest person in the UK to ever go skydiving. 48 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: Manette Bailey served in the Woman's Naval Fleet in Egypt 49 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: during the Second World War. She marked her recent one 50 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: hundred and second birthday by jumping out of a plane 51 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,959 Speaker 1: on Sunday. After hearing about an eighty five year old 52 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: local man who'd gone skydiving, she said, quote, if an 53 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: eighty five year old man can do it, so can I. 54 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 2: Now, NADINNI, It's felt like a pretty long run of 55 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 2: bad news after bad news are for bad news for 56 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 2: the aviation sector. But now the government is saying it 57 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 2: actually has a plan to fix the industry, to fix 58 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 2: all of the issues that have come since COVID and 59 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 2: flight cancelations and delays and everything else. What do we 60 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 2: need to know about this new plan to fix flying 61 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 2: in Australia. 62 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: So Australia's domestic aviation industry has faced increasing scrutiny over 63 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: the last couple of years for a number of reasons, 64 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: some of which you just touched on. But in an 65 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: effort to turn this around, the government has released this 66 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: new document. It's called the Aviation White Paper, and it's 67 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: basically considered the most quote significant overhaul of aviation for 68 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: more than a decade. 69 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 2: I want to get into that because it's quite the 70 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 2: hooky headline. But before we do, what actually is a 71 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 2: white paper? Because we're going to speak about this a 72 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 2: fair bit on today's podcast. 73 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: So white paper is a way of saying a government document. 74 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 2: But why can't they just call it a government document? 75 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,919 Speaker 1: The difference is that it's a specific topic or issue, 76 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: so could be foreign policy or defense or in this case, aviation. 77 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: Think of it as like a really in depth report, 78 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: like really in depth. 79 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,359 Speaker 2: I just read it. How many pages was it like? 80 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: Over two hundred? 81 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 2: Okay? 82 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 1: That sets out ideas and frameworks to basically inform future 83 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: legislation and policy. So a bunch of recommendations and a 84 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,679 Speaker 1: white paper is presented to Parliament for a discussion, usually 85 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: before or alongside a new bill being tabled. 86 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,799 Speaker 2: Okay. So the white paper essentially gives us an idea 87 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 2: of how the government's planning to change the sector, and 88 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 2: in this case we're talking about aviation. Can you just 89 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 2: talk me through what were the biggest concerns, like why 90 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 2: did this white paper come about? And what are kind 91 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 2: of the answers to these issues. 92 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 1: So the white paper lays out fifty six policy initiatives 93 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:12,239 Speaker 1: and it covers ten different areas. 94 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 2: It's a lot. 95 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: We're not going to go into all of it right now, obviously, 96 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: but I thought it would be important to start with 97 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: something that impacts us all, and that's consumer rights and 98 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: think about, you know, all our missed flights. 99 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 2: This is what we're talking about many. 100 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: The white paper recommended a new consumer rights Charter and 101 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: the implementation of an independent body that would regulate and 102 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: monitor the entire industry. They're calling this the aviation industry 103 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: on buds scheme. 104 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 2: Okay, not the clickiest name. They fell down on that one. 105 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: Chunky boy. 106 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,679 Speaker 2: But can we start with the rights Charter? What would 107 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 2: that look like in particular. 108 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: So, the charter would set out obligations or requirements for 109 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: airlines around the fair and appropriate treatment of customers is 110 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: what they're calling it, and it's a minimum level of 111 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: customer service in bair minimum kind of thing. 112 00:05:57,960 --> 00:05:58,239 Speaker 2: Yeah. 113 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:02,039 Speaker 1: Basically, this charter would include customer entitlements to refunds for 114 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: canceled flights, but also for disrupted and unreasonably delayed services. 115 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 2: That's a pretty major idea. 116 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, And the white paper says that airlines would have 117 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: to then also report the reason for why a flight 118 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: is canceled. And this is the big thing, because they 119 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 1: can't just say that a flight has been canceled or rescheduled. 120 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: They actually need to provide you with a reason for 121 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: canceling it and also certainty of either a rescheduled flight 122 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: or that you're going to be refunded. The charter would 123 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: also determine things like how long a reasonable flight delay 124 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: would be or how long should you have to wait 125 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 1: for a refund, and other requirements around transparency, communication and 126 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 1: customer support. 127 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 2: I mean the thing that I think about though, when 128 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 2: we talk it like that sounds amazing for me as 129 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 2: a consumer, have a flight canceled and then to be 130 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 2: entitled to a refund or at least an explanation sounds great. 131 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 2: But what is to say that the airlines won't just 132 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 2: ignore this charter? Like is there any enforcement mechanism here? 133 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: So this is where the avation ombardsmen comes in, and 134 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 1: they would be appointed to deal with breaches and monitor 135 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 1: misconduct within the industry, and it could also be referred 136 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: to the a Triple C, that's the Australian Competition and 137 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: Consumer Commission. The ombardsmen would be given powers to take 138 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: action against airports and airlines if they breach those obligations, 139 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: and would also publish regular reports on industry performance and 140 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: how they're tracking. 141 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 2: And I mean, when you're talking about this, I'm thinking 142 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 2: about how as recently as last week we heard news 143 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 2: that Jetstar is facing a class action over failing to 144 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 2: refund canceled COVID flights, and Quantus is also facing similar 145 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 2: legal actions. So is the idea that this rights charter 146 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 2: and the ombardsmen that you've just been speaking about. Is 147 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 2: the idea that they then deal with those disputes before 148 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 2: they escalate to the courts. 149 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: That's the idea. If it's legislated, Okay, those cases would 150 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: hypothetically be resolved much earlier. And that's because we'd have 151 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: a definitive policy document detailing airlines obligations to customers. 152 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 2: Okay, understood. And so if we move away from that 153 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 2: idea for a second, what else did the white paper cover. 154 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: Another important thing that came across is accessibility for passengers, 155 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: especially passengers that are traveling with a disability. In Australia, 156 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: it is unlawful to deny someone access to services like 157 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: transport in this case because of a disability, and so 158 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: the recent Disability Royal Commission found a number of accessibility 159 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: issues in airports and with airlines, particularly for people who 160 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: might need wheelchair accessibility or even the accessibility of bathrooms 161 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: on planes. So the government said that it wants to 162 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: introduce aviation industry specific disability standards that could improve air 163 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: travel for all Australians. 164 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 2: I'm sure that would be a very welcome step and 165 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 2: something that's so important but perhaps doesn't get the attention 166 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,079 Speaker 2: that it needs. So to be really interesting to understand 167 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 2: where that goes. While we've been talking, I've been thinking 168 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 2: about all of the news headlines that we've spoken about 169 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 2: a number of times on this podcast. One of them 170 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 2: has been, you know, this canceled flight idea, but the 171 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 2: other has been competent and how bloody difficult it is 172 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 2: for anyone that's not Virgin or Quantas to actually keep 173 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 2: an airline afloat in Australia. Is there anything about competition, 174 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 2: especially in light of what's happened to Rex recently. 175 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, exactly if we've been left with one of 176 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: two choices when it comes to domestic travel, Virgin and Quantus, 177 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: which also owns jet Star. So the government wants to 178 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: introduce measures that would make it easier for smaller on 179 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: your airlines to try and break up this duopoly. So 180 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: this includes things like harsher penalties for airlines which have 181 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: been found to be acting anti competitively. The government has 182 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: also suggested reviewing its own travel policies to avoid giving 183 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: airlines preferential treatment. 184 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 2: Interesting. 185 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, So we've also been hearing a bit about slot 186 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 1: hoarding recently, and this is basically where major airlines book 187 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: a number of arrival and departure slots at major popular 188 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: airports and then they try and maintain priority access to 189 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: the runway through this method. But it's also considered anti 190 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: competitive and what they've called it here is anti competitive 191 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: slot misuse and this is a key thing that needs 192 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: to be addressed to try and improve competition in the 193 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: aviation industry. 194 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 2: Do they have any suggestions on how to actually improve that. 195 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: Some reform on slot hoarding was introduced recently at Sydney Airport, 196 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: but the government's going to be looking at ways to 197 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 1: make changes on how slots are regulated and how these 198 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: regulations are enforced Australia wide. 199 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 2: So we got onto the topic of slot hoarding because 200 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 2: we were talking about competition in Australia and that it's 201 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 2: been very difficult. And we were speaking there of REX, 202 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 2: which is no longer flying between major capital cities, but 203 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 2: it has survived in some form and it is you know, 204 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 2: there are still rec services flying regionally. So was there 205 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 2: anything to say in this white paper about regional aviation 206 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 2: because I imagine that that's also another big issue. There 207 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 2: are so many big issues in this well. 208 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: On the note of REX, they're currently going through their 209 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: voluntary administration process and so this paper's sort of been 210 00:10:58,240 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 1: released amidst. 211 00:10:59,240 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 2: All of that. 212 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 1: The government says that it wants to support regional air services, 213 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: but whether or not that means it's actually going to 214 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: provide direct support to REX isn't actually clear. The paper 215 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: has called for the Productivity Commission to review regional airfares 216 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: and also to look at ways to improve access to 217 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: regional areas with domestic airlines. It also detailed a couple 218 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:22,959 Speaker 1: plans to upgrade regional and remote airports. 219 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 2: Okay, and just before we turn to what the opposition said, 220 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 2: because I'm really interested to understand what's happened here because 221 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 2: it does feel above politics. Before we turn there, though, 222 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 2: the white paper I understand also touched on climate. 223 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: Yes, there was a lot of stuff on reaching net 224 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: zero because that's the goal that we have for twenty 225 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: fifty and that also includes reducing the carbon impacts that 226 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: the aviation industry has, which produces about two percent of 227 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,959 Speaker 1: the world's energy related ZEO two emissions. The white paper 228 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:56,319 Speaker 1: is basically calling for more research and development into renewable 229 00:11:56,400 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 1: energy sources for planes and aviation in general. They've included 230 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: plans to make sustainable fuels or what they're calling low 231 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: carbon liquid fuel here in Australia. The government is also 232 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: looking at the potential for battery operated aircrafts for domestic 233 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: flights or short term flights. 234 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 2: That is absolutely crazy and I know it's the future, 235 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 2: but it blows my mind completely. Okay, so I preempted 236 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 2: it a bit before. But what have we heard from 237 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,599 Speaker 2: the opposition. We've spoken a lot about the role of 238 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 2: the government in coming to the table with this white paper. 239 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 2: What have we heard from the opposition? 240 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: The Coalition has been critical of the White Paper, saying 241 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: it doesn't go far enough and broadly enough, and that 242 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 1: the government has mishandled its approach to tackling issues across 243 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: the aviation industry, particularly domestically. Shadow Transport Minister Bridget Mackenzie 244 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:47,199 Speaker 1: told TDA that quote, Australian airlines are not being held 245 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:52,199 Speaker 1: to the same standards as airlines overseas. Senator Mackenzie said 246 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: that the white Paper includes fifty six recommendations but quote 247 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 1: no specific measures to get plans running on time, to 248 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: address the spiraling cost of airfares, or address the delays 249 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: and cancelations. We're heading into an election year and the 250 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: Opposition has accused the government of delaying action on an 251 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: aviation overhaul until after the election. Mackenzie said the government 252 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: has quote refused to engage on reforms and that the 253 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: white Paper is a missed opportunity. 254 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 2: I mean, just on that point, she said. Senator Mackenzie 255 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 2: there that the government hasn't addressed cancelations, but we have 256 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 2: spoken about the fact that that does feature quite prominently. 257 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 2: But I'll leave that to the government to identify what 258 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:37,559 Speaker 2: are the time frames here, what happens from a white 259 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 2: paper kind of being birthed to anything actually happening from there. 260 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 1: The white Paper tells us what the government wants to 261 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 1: legislate to overhaul aviation, but it doesn't mean that it 262 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: can or will necessarily pass legislation across every single reform 263 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 1: that's been put in. 264 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 2: Sounds like there's a lot. 265 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, So the Transfer Minister said the white Paper is 266 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: generally speaking a twenty year plan in terms of what 267 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: we can see action on, though in the near future 268 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: slot reform seems to be on the priority list. Transport 269 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: Minister Catherine King said that slot reform legislation is actually 270 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: currently being drafted and she said it's expected to reach 271 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:18,079 Speaker 1: Parliament shortly. King also said that an interim Ombardsman will 272 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: be appointed this week to start drafting the Charter of 273 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: Consumer Rights, which we were talking about earlier. Yeah, and 274 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: the Ombardsman will be able to receive complaints next year, 275 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: and that's when King said we can expect more legislation 276 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: to come through. But as I mentioned, we're getting close 277 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: to the election, which is weird to think about, and 278 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: many of these reforms are probably up in the air. 279 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 2: Until then, were you just waiting the whole podcast to 280 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 2: be able to say that? Love it? Thanks for coming 281 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 2: onto the podcast, Nandini. I mean a really interesting topic 282 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 2: and I think one where consumer rights and legislation and 283 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 2: politics all kind of come into one. So lots to 284 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 2: look at there and lots to keep an eye on. 285 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us today on the 286 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 2: Daily OS. 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