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Speaker 1: This episode is brought to you by Super Members Council.

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Speaker 1: They're here to protect in advance the interests of super

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Speaker 1: fund members like you, making sure the way that your

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Speaker 1: super helps you stays stable, effective and fair.

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Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Sunday,

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Speaker 2: the twenty second of June. I'm Billy Fitzsimon.

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Speaker 1: I'm Sam because Loski Sam.

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Speaker 2: It's lovely to be back with you on a Sunday morning.

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Speaker 1: Happy Sunday, Billy.

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Speaker 2: There's no other way I would want to spend my

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Speaker 2: Sunday mornings other than talking to you about super.

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Speaker 1: It's a super Sunday. I let's feel good. Let's get

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Speaker 1: into it because it is something that we all are

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Speaker 1: participants in. Yeah, well, we don't spend that much time

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Speaker 1: talking about especially for younger generations.

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Speaker 2: So did you know the amount of super annuation you

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Speaker 2: get paid is about to change As of the first

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Speaker 2: of July, the minimum amount of super YEW received is

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Speaker 2: about to increase. So what does this actually mean for you?

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Speaker 2: We will explain in today's podcast before we dive into

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Speaker 2: today's topier. As it would have heard at the top,

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Speaker 2: this podcast is sponsored by Super Members Council, but they

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Speaker 2: have had no influence over the editorial content of this episode.

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Speaker 1: Before we get into the changes to super, I think

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Speaker 1: we should first explain what super actually is, because it's

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Speaker 1: something that impacts everybody. You know, at the very least

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Speaker 1: you're giving your super details to your employer, but perhaps

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Speaker 1: especially for younger people, we don't stop and actually have

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Speaker 1: it properly explained. Take us through the fundamentals of this.

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Speaker 2: So super annuation, or we more commonly refer to it

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Speaker 2: as super is a way of saving for retirement that

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Speaker 2: is compulsory in Australia. You can kind of think of

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Speaker 2: it like forced savings. I think that's a good way

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Speaker 2: to think about it. And what it means is that

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Speaker 2: employers are required by law to pay a percentage of

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Speaker 2: your wages into an account, which is your super fund,

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Speaker 2: which is then invested over time to help you build

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Speaker 2: up savings for when you stop working. I often hear

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Speaker 2: people say, oh, I don't invest in shares. A response

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Speaker 2: to that can be, well, you probably do if you

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Speaker 2: have a super account, which we all do.

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Speaker 1: And the idea behind that is if you have ten

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Speaker 1: dollars in a super account in twenty twenty five, you

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Speaker 1: can make that ten dollars work harder for you by

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Speaker 1: the time you're sixty five in thirty forty years, that

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Speaker 1: ten dollars is hopefully twenty dollars exactly. And what's the

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Speaker 1: history of this scheme?

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Speaker 2: So it hasn't been around for as long as you

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Speaker 2: might think. It was introduced as a compulsory payment in

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety two by Paul Keating's government, and that means

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Speaker 2: that people retiring now likely haven't actually had a super

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Speaker 2: account for their entire working lies, unless of course, they

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Speaker 2: were voluntarily putting money into a super account before nineteen

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Speaker 2: ninety two. Now, when it was introduced, the World Bank

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Speaker 2: described Australia as actually being at the international forefront of

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Speaker 2: policies to address the cost of aging.

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Speaker 1: And that's important, right because now we're kind of getting

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Speaker 1: in to the why the why supers there.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that is the key point. That super has everything

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Speaker 2: to do with how to deal with the economic needs

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Speaker 2: of an aging population.

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Speaker 1: So you're saying that they can then have a pile

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Speaker 1: of money to lean on, exactly, So spell that out

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Speaker 1: for me, what exactly do you mean by that?

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Speaker 2: So the idea is that if people have more savings

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Speaker 2: when they retire, then they won't need to go on

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Speaker 2: the age pension, which is taxpayer funded. So therefore, in theory,

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Speaker 2: it reduces the burden on governments, and that is something

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Speaker 2: that governments around the world are dealing with. As people

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Speaker 2: live for longer, there is more of this drain on

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Speaker 2: government resources, and so the question that governments around the

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Speaker 2: up so that less people are in need of government support.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of this funny thing where you think, oh,

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Speaker 2: it's great that people are living for longer and life

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Speaker 2: expectancies are increasing, but that does come with economic challenges,

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Speaker 2: and that is exactly what super is trying to address.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting that it's framed as you don't know yet

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Speaker 1: that you're going to need this later, yeah, but you will, yes,

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Speaker 1: So we're going to think decades ahead for you, even

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Speaker 1: though let's be honest, probably younger people would want more

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Speaker 2: So today, it means that it is mandatory for your

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Speaker 2: employer to pay a percentage of your wage into.

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Speaker 1: Your superfund, so it doesn't pass through your bank account,

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Speaker 1: it goes straight to the fund. That's right.

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Speaker 2: And so at the moment that percentage is eleven point

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Speaker 2: five percent. So let's say that you're earning seventy thousand

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Speaker 2: minimum of about eight thousand dollars into a super fund

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Speaker 1: And so, Billy, is that amount of money that your

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Speaker 1: employer is paying for your super is that on top

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Speaker 2: It actually depends on your employer whether it's on top

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Speaker 2: of or part of. So you always get paid super.

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Speaker 2: That is consistent amongst every company. But some companies advertise

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Speaker 2: the salary excluding super and then some advertise it including Super.

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Speaker 2: So you have to make sure that you understand if

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Speaker 2: or excludes SUPER, and it will mean a different amount

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Speaker 2: be another eight thousand dollars that you don't see today,

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Speaker 2: but that is going into your super account. Or if

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Speaker 2: it's including Super, then your take home pay is closer

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Speaker 2: to the sixty thousand dollars mark and the rest is going.

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Speaker 1: Into super Okay, So it's basically reading the fine print

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Speaker 1: and working out whether the eleven point five percent is

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Speaker 1: on top of or including into that payment. What else

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Speaker 1: do we need to know about how super works because

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Speaker 1: I often see comments from people that are tapping into

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Speaker 1: some of the more complex parts of super.

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Speaker 2: Well. One thing is that you can act actually make

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Speaker 2: voluntary contributions. So we talk a lot about the mandatory

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Speaker 2: contributions that your employer needs to make, but if you

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Speaker 2: want more SUPER in your account, then you can make

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Speaker 2: voluntary contributions. You can sacrifice part of your salary and

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Speaker 2: you can either do that individually, or you can say

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Speaker 2: to your employer, I want you to put more of

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Speaker 2: my salary into this super fund.

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Speaker 1: And I guess that's the ultimate long term gratification. If

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Speaker 1: you're putting more in, when can you access this kind

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Speaker 2: So the current rules are that you can access your

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Speaker 2: stopped working so have basically retired, or if you're sixty

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Speaker 2: five and older even if you're still working and that

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Speaker 2: age has changed over time as the age of retirement.

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Speaker 1: Interesting crease. I wonder if you know, in one hundred

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Speaker 1: Whether the super age could even be higher than that?

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Speaker 1: Would we have a superage of eighty?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so interesting. I imagine sooner than in one hundred

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Speaker 1: Okay, And the reason why we're talking about all of

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Speaker 1: this today is because we have this end of financial

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Speaker 1: year deadline of the first of July coming up next week,

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Speaker 1: and that's when super is changing. Talk me through those changes.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so it's kind of a mandated pay increase for everyone.

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Speaker 1: Well, how about that? Yes, how about that?

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Speaker 2: So as of the first of July this year, your

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Speaker 2: employer will be required to put in twelve percent of

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Speaker 2: what does that actually mean for me? The zero point

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Speaker 2: five percentage point increase alone could see a typical thirty

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Speaker 2: year old retire with twenty two thousand more in their

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Speaker 2: super account. Now, what you might not know is that

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Speaker 2: this increase that we're seeing in July, there have actually

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Speaker 2: been a number of increases over the past few years.

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Speaker 2: This is the final increase that is happening, so it's

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Speaker 2: kind of going to stay at this level of twelve

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Speaker 1: So from July two thousand and two until the thirtieth

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Speaker 1: of June twenty thirteen, the super eight was nine percent.

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Speaker 1: There's been a gradual increase from twenty thirteen, so it's

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Speaker 1: been kind of staggered over time, and it's quite a

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Speaker 1: big increase. That's three percent more from twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 2: But just to give you one more number and then

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Speaker 2: I promise we'll stop giving you all the numbers that

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Speaker 2: taken together with the full increase from nine percent to

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Speaker 2: twelve percent over the past decade, that could add up

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Speaker 2: to more than one hundred thousand dollars in your superannuation

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Speaker 2: savings by retirement because of all those increases.

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Speaker 1: And this isn't the only change that's coming to super

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Speaker 1: There's been a lot of news about superbalances that are

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Speaker 1: more than three million bucks.

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Speaker 2: Yes, although important to note that this isn't necessarily a

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Speaker 2: definite change because it hasn't passed parliament yet. This is

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Speaker 2: our proposal from the current government, but they haven't introduced

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Speaker 2: the government has announced a policy to increase taxes on

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Speaker 2: earnings on super balances over three million dollars. Before I

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Speaker 2: which we haven't yet discussed.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so that's interesting. It's a form of income, I guess.

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Speaker 1: So it's money that you are receiving from your employer,

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Speaker 2: It is taxed, but it's actually taxed at a lower

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Speaker 2: the money that goes into your super annuation is taxed

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Speaker 2: at a rate of fifteen percent, and that is lower

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Speaker 2: than all current income tax brackets. So you're paying less

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Speaker 2: which is why some people might do those voluntary contributions

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Speaker 2: from their employer because it is taxed less. Now, that

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Speaker 2: is what Labor has proposed to change for the money

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Speaker 2: wants to increase the taxes for those accounts. Treasurer Jim

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Speaker 2: Charmers said is that those balances are beyond what is

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Speaker 2: have enough money to retire, more than three million dollars

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Speaker 2: is more than enough for you to live a comfortable retirement,

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Speaker 2: and so we're just going to tax the earnings of

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Speaker 1: And to take that one step further, their rationale would be,

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Speaker 1: we're going to tax that a little bit more because

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Speaker 1: you can probably afford it if you're in that position,

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Speaker 1: and that money will then be used to fund government activities,

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Speaker 1: which could include everything from health, education, roads, defense, whatever

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Speaker 1: the government needs to spend money on exactly.

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Speaker 2: Now there is more detail to it, and there is

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Speaker 2: also some criticism of the policy. The opposition, for example,

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Speaker 2: is against it. I don't know if it's worth getting into,

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Speaker 2: partly because it is quite a small percentage of people

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Speaker 2: that this increased tax, if it does pass, will apply to.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure quite a smaller percentage of people who

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Speaker 1: would be young people.

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Speaker 2: Who I genuinely don't know if any young people would

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Speaker 1: If those tech billionaires that we talked about on Friday

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Speaker 1: had super funds, if they were Australian, maybe it will

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Speaker 2: It would definitely apply to one hundred.

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Speaker 1: Million dollars signing busus is. But yeah, i'd say overall

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Speaker 1: this is kind of a topic that doesn't necessarily impact

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Speaker 1: a whole heap of young Australians.

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Speaker 2: Well, I have the exact number of how many Australians

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Speaker 2: overall it impacts. So ninety nine point five percent of

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Speaker 2: Australians currently don't have more than three million dollars in super,

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Speaker 2: So at the moment, this policy would only apply to

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Speaker 2: zero point five percent of Australians of all ages.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I feel like if we look at the

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Speaker 1: see that in the news, and it's good to be across, But.

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Speaker 2: The main definitely going to go through parliament.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, well, it will be tabled in Parliament, they'll have

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Speaker 1: is this increase from July and the minimum amount of

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Speaker 1: of and to chat through.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I look forward to seeing it my super account.

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Speaker 1: You know what you're worth thirteen percent?

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Speaker 2: Oh oh thanks Sam, Oh gotcha, we've got it on records.

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Speaker 2: I'll just send this back to you.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's a slightly awkward way to end podcast, but

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Speaker 1: you know what, there's nothing like a bit of negotiation

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Speaker 1: on air. That's all I've got time for your Sunday

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Speaker 1: special super episode of Daily Ods. Thank you so much,

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Speaker 1: Billy for taking us through that, and thank you for

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Speaker 1: listening to this part. It's a really good way to

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Speaker 1: keep in touch with those things that you feel like

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Speaker 1: you probably should have learnt in school, but maybe skip

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Speaker 1: to day and we're always here to take you through

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Speaker 1: the parts of your pay package and the parts of

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Speaker 1: your life that always needs a little bit more explaining.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back again tomorrow morning with another d dive.

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Speaker 1: Until then, have a beautiful Sunday.

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Speaker 2: Bye.

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Speaker 3: My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda

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Speaker 3: Bunjelung Calcutin woman from Gadighl Country. The Daily oz acknowledges

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Speaker 3: first peoples of these countries, both past and present.

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Speaker 1: Want to understand your super and how it's working for you,

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