1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: My name is Ben. I'm a storyteller and Find and Tell. 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: I grew up on Durall Country. I'd like to recognize 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,399 Speaker 1: the traditional Castanians of this continent whose land was stolen 4 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: nearly two hundred and fifty years ago, in particular the 5 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: Cameagle and Onere people whose land this podcast was recorded on. 6 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: And we extend our respect to all Aboriginal Torrestraight islander peoples, 7 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: the rich storytelling history of the world's oldest living culture. 8 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: My culture is what we pay homage to when we 9 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: tell stories on Find and Tell. 10 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 2: Hello, I'm Jamilla Risby and this is Find and Tell, 11 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 2: the search for the next generation of Australian storytellers. Each episode, 12 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 2: our storytellers go head to head to find and tell 13 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 2: a story based around a theme. The best story wins. 14 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 2: Now the steaks are getting high. This could be the 15 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 2: last time we hear from one or both of our 16 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 2: storytellers today. This is big, guys. If you haven't been 17 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 2: keeping score, here are how things stand. Ben, he's sitting 18 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:08,320 Speaker 2: pretty on two wins. Mark and Kate have one win each, 19 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 2: and Naan has suffered some very painful narrow misses. She's 20 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 2: yet to get a win. Today's theme is New Beginnings. 21 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 2: First up is Naan. Let's hear what she's found for 22 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:28,199 Speaker 2: what could be her final story. 23 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 3: Naan, welcome back to Find and Tell. 24 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,119 Speaker 4: Hi, Jamilla, it's good to be back. 25 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 3: We're here, we're about to hear. 26 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 2: Well, it might not be your final story, but it 27 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 2: also might be your final story. It's the final of 28 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 2: this trio that we've started off with. 29 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 3: How does that feel? 30 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 4: I thought this day would never come. It's been an adventure, 31 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 4: it's been a journey, Naan. 32 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: You have already served us up some really interesting interviews. 33 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 2: You're good at finding people with a story to tell. 34 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 2: How do you pull that off, especially in a short time? 35 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 4: Prame, I'd like to say it's probably my nosiness. I'm 36 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 4: just very no natural curiosity. Yeah, whichever way you want 37 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 4: to spin it. Yeah, when it comes to people, I 38 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:18,239 Speaker 4: feel like everyone has a story to tell, and especially 39 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 4: with this one, I came across this event and the 40 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 4: organizer of the event, and I thought they were too 41 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 4: good not to interview and meet. 42 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 2: So will extraordinary characters make for extraordinary stories? I'm excited 43 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 2: to hear yours. This is New Beginnings, which is your 44 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 2: third contribution to Find and tell, let's hear it. 45 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 5: The sender tables in here, which is your stuff? Like, 46 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 5: as you say, there's angle grind, a commercial vacuum, you know, pumps, generators, surfboards, scooters, 47 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 5: power tools, all of that type stuff. 48 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 4: That's easy Mike. He's arranging a catalog of items for 49 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 4: an auction. A lot of common household appliances and tools 50 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,679 Speaker 4: and some not so common items. 51 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 5: Tricky little bits in the auction. There's a bud cutter, 52 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 5: which is a big machine for cutting up budheads, which 53 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 5: could be lavender. Yes, why don't know? 54 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 4: They've all been lost, stolen or seized because this is 55 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 4: a police auction. 56 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 5: The stuff is exhibits, all right, so they're from events 57 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 5: like it could be a drug raid, it could be 58 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 5: a theft, a break in, stuff like that. 59 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 4: Until now, they had all been sitting in storage for months. 60 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 4: Police either haven't been able to find the original owners 61 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 4: or just don't have the space to hold it forever. 62 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 4: So they give easy Mic a call. He picks up 63 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 4: all the items and then sells them off. 64 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 5: Very few of these happened now the old school style 65 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 5: police socials. Everything now so online you've lost all that. 66 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 5: So a lot of people use these as like a 67 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 5: social event. I have people messaging me during the year 68 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 5: when's the next auction? 69 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 4: The next one is tomorrow. Easy's been doing this for 70 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 4: thirteen years and he likes to make sure every item 71 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 4: gets a second life. 72 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 5: Absolutely none of this comes home, not one thing. If 73 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 5: I have to sell that fight for a dollar, it'll 74 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 5: sell for a dollar. 75 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 4: As you can tell, Easy Mike doesn't like waste, but 76 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 4: he does love to have a love. That's his real name, 77 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 4: by the way, how do you spell it? 78 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 6: Yeah? 79 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 2: Yes, why? 80 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 5: And that's your That's on my birth certificate, Medicare card, license, 81 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 5: passport everything. 82 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 4: Easy's mum was hoping for a girl, so she hadn't 83 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 4: picked out any boys' names. She sent his dad to 84 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 4: sort it out. 85 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 5: She said, you go down the front and register it, 86 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 5: something Easy like Mike. He said, yeah, in norries it all. 87 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,679 Speaker 5: So I went down. He registered Easy. Mike sent Pikes 88 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 5: my middle name. 89 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 4: Another It pulls up at the showground with the next load. 90 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 4: There's scooters, golf sets, TVs and baby seats all up. 91 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 4: There's thousands of items to be sorted, jewelry watchers and 92 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 4: silver bullions. 93 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 3: Don't you touch anything, Nick, don't you buy anything. 94 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 4: Natalie and Nick are married and they've been helping Easier 95 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 4: run his auctions for thirteen years. They all met playing 96 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 4: online poker. 97 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 3: So we took our chances, didn't We. 98 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 7: Took our chances. 99 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 3: Didn't know whether it was a serial killer or not. 100 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 7: But it worked out. It worked out. 101 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 4: There's still dozens more items to unload and label. When 102 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 4: a visitor drops in unannounced. 103 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 5: Oh here it is, mister, or I come every time 104 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 5: the day before and buy nothing. He never buys in. 105 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 4: In his play, a stout man wearing suspenders struts into 106 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 4: the hall and immediately starts poking around. 107 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 5: And if he does, he doesn't rhyming because he's You 108 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 5: can't eat strawberry Jam, because you can't pass the seage. 109 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 5: It's a tight ash. Hey, Strawberry Jam, here you got. 110 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 8: II let you out of a home. 111 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 4: Strawberry Jam promises to come to the auction tomorrow. He 112 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 4: never shows. On auction day. People arrive early for the viewing, 113 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 4: which sounds like a funeral but feels more like a 114 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 4: garage sale. Easy greets everyone like family. 115 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 5: We opened the door there at eight point thirty. We 116 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 5: had people here waiting. We opened the door. They were 117 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 5: they were registring. They were queued out this door. 118 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 4: It's hot and sticky inside the hall. People are stepping 119 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 4: over each other to get a good look at the display. 120 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 4: Greg is here showing his son his very first option. 121 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 8: He's starting to buy. 122 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 6: His own tools now, so I'm trying to teach him 123 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 6: how to go to options. He hasn't lean to it 124 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 6: one yet. 125 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 4: A lot of farmers and traders come to the police 126 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 4: action for tools, even the ones that don't work. Before 127 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,679 Speaker 4: the auction. Easy make sure they all have some fuel 128 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 4: in them, or at least a sticker to let people 129 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 4: know it needs some fixing up. Like he says, none 130 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 4: of this stuff comes home. It all kicks off at 131 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 4: ten am. Sharp trailer. 132 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 5: It is an ex police vehicle. What's the having been? 133 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 5: We've got a couple of thousand to kick it away? 134 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 5: One thousand making tall fifty anywhere one thousand calls. 135 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 4: A man wearing a blue flannel and a Cubra hat 136 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 4: ends up getting the police trailer for around two thousand dollars. 137 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 4: The serious buyers have put up with their own trailers, 138 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 4: ready to score a few bargains. There's even families with prams, 139 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 4: camping chairs and eskis settling in for a big day out. 140 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 4: A group of young guys are loading up their use. 141 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 6: But it's a six hundred cc engine off a sports bike. 142 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 6: It goes very fast. 143 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 4: Jack's and Worlder by trade and nabbed this engine for 144 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 4: two hundred bucks. He says, they usually go for one 145 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 4: and a half grand. But the boys are actually more 146 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 4: excited about where it could have come from. 147 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 6: I mean, I don't know. My bike engine, for example, 148 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 6: could be from, you know, some sort of getaway vehicle. 149 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 6: You never really know. A few ovens on the back 150 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 6: as well. There were a few ovens for marijuana, yep, 151 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 6: bug clippers, whatever you wanted. 152 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 4: They didn't get the ovens, but it made for a 153 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 4: good story to tell their mates. 154 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, so we were standing at one of the tables 155 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 6: and we saw that there were a couple of lights, 156 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 6: funny lights in front of us, looked like a big, 157 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 6: massive array, and the auction that says said it was 158 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 6: Ta Tree equipment, and a couple of the blokes the 159 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 6: back had a chuckle and then it dawned on me 160 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 6: this was actually being used for drug operation. 161 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 4: He's planning to make an off road go cut with 162 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 4: his purchase while his brother scored a couple of surfboards 163 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 4: for themselves. 164 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 6: We weren't picking up this stuff and it all go 165 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 6: to landfill, so it'll just be chucked out and you know, 166 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 6: wouldn't have a second life. 167 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 4: As the auction wraps up, people prepared to hold their 168 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,839 Speaker 4: winnings home. They're loading their trailers as others are waiting 169 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 4: for their ride. Even though all these items have had 170 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 4: some sort of criminal past, just like people, they deserve 171 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 4: a second chance. Once again, all these unclaimed stolen goods 172 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 4: have a home. Police can welcome new items to their 173 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 4: storage while all the proceeds go back to state revenue. 174 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 4: And it's all thanks to a guy named Easy. 175 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 5: You know, I'm not the devil, you know, Okay, I 176 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 5: don't need to sell this stuff, like I'm really I'm 177 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 5: like the undertaker, but I'm just finalizing things. 178 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 3: Naon. 179 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:16,319 Speaker 2: That was like an infinitely less posh version of antiques Rocho. 180 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 3: I was so into it. That's awesome, thank you. 181 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 2: Honestly, that was like it was a delight to listen to. 182 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 2: I felt like I'd been transported from being here in 183 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,959 Speaker 2: a studio. Yeah, I really feel like I was there 184 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 2: and like I saw some of the things that you 185 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 2: were using the audio to bring to life. 186 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 3: So congratulations, great work. Thank you. 187 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 2: So being a news reporter by trade, do you need 188 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 2: to be able to spot a great story? What initially 189 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 2: captured you about Easy Mike his name? 190 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 4: Not only that, but I never heard of a police auction, 191 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 4: let alone thought it was accessible to the public. It 192 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 4: was in Kempsey, which was a foreigner half our drive 193 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 4: from Sydney. But I thought, you know, surely there's got 194 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 4: to be stories out there as well. So and yeah, 195 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 4: it didn't disappoint. 196 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you drove out there and then you spend 197 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 2: you know what, like half a day or more around 198 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 2: this auction, talking to Easy Mike, talking to others and 199 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 2: trying to get a sense of what's going on. That's 200 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 2: going to mean you collect an enormous amount of audio. 201 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 2: How do you make sure you've got all the bits 202 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 2: you might need later? 203 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 4: Well it turned out I had too much audio in 204 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 4: the end, I think, because that was my only chance 205 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 4: to get everything that I needed at the time, so 206 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 4: I think I over recorded. I ended up just recording 207 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 4: the whole day, which turned out to be hours and 208 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 4: gigabytes of audio. So I kind of kind of shot 209 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 4: myself in the foot because that I had to go 210 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 4: through all that, but it also made the cutting down easier. 211 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 4: I was a bit more ruthless in terms of getting 212 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 4: rid of chunks of audio. 213 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 2: Looking back on your experience, not just creating this episod, 214 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 2: but over the trio of episodes, what are you most 215 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 2: proud of? 216 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 4: Oh, good question, I'd say sneaking to my gut. Even 217 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 4: when I felt the pressure of time and the deadlines, 218 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 4: there were certain stories that I was really fixated on 219 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,319 Speaker 4: or a bit stubborn about, and I felt I wanted 220 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,319 Speaker 4: to do something to see a story that I was 221 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 4: one hundred percent committed to, rather than settle for something 222 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 4: and do something half fast. So I'd say listening to 223 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 4: my intuition and letting that lead the way sometimes. 224 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 2: Naan, I just I want to congratulate you on all 225 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,839 Speaker 2: three of your stories. You have got such a fantastic 226 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 2: talent for finding people who have a perspective or a 227 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 2: story that's just not one we hear all the time, 228 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 2: and I really look forward to hearing more of that 229 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:55,079 Speaker 2: from you in the future. 230 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 3: Well done, Thank you, Jumally. 231 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 4: It's been a blast. 232 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 2: What a fantastic story to kick off today's theme, New Beginnings. 233 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 2: We're going to hear what Kate came up with in 234 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 2: just a moment. This is Find and Tell and this 235 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 2: week's theme is New Beginnings. Kate's previous stories have been 236 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 2: so beautiful, and she's had some really impressive guests like 237 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 2: Elizabeth Day, and she's shown a lot of vulnerability by 238 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 2: sharing quite intimate details about her personal life. Let's see 239 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 2: what she's made for us this time. Hey, Kate, welcome 240 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 2: back to Find and Tell. 241 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:43,439 Speaker 3: It's the final countdown. 242 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 2: I know now with you, we've sort of we've taken 243 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 2: this almost trilogy approach in that we've been tracking your 244 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 2: experience of a really significant breakup. 245 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 3: New Beginnings. What does that mean for you? 246 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 7: It means joy. It just simply means joy. It means 247 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 7: releasing everything that we've gone through in the first and 248 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 7: second story and starting the next chapter. 249 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 2: Was there a moment in this process where it just 250 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 2: felt like it was impossible, like you weren't going to 251 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 2: get to joy? 252 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 7: I mean I feel that weakly. I think, yeah, going 253 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 7: through a breakup, it's not a linear journey by any means, 254 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 7: but you just have to celebrate the winds, and you 255 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 7: have to celebrate the growth and the change and there 256 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 7: was so many things in telling this final story that 257 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 7: just made me smile. 258 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 2: How do you feel we're on the verge, We're about 259 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 2: to press play, nervous still or if we settled in 260 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 2: over a couple of weeks. 261 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 7: I'm just excited for this one. It's yeah, I hope, 262 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 7: I hope everyone feels really happy listening to it, because 263 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 7: to me, it's a bit of a like, fuck. 264 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 2: Yes, that sounds like time to press play. This is 265 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 2: Kate's new beginnings. 266 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 9: So we did these marriage of ours together as a group, 267 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 9: and by the end of it, everybody was screaming them 268 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 9: and crying. My kid was there, who's twenty one, and 269 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 9: she was like, Mum, I've never seen anything like this. This, 270 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 9: this is electrifying. And then basically the DJ kicked off 271 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 9: and everybody danced their hearts at and there were people crying. 272 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 9: There were elderly moms with their adult daughters being held 273 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 9: one on each arm, crying and just having that moment 274 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 9: and that permission to release the disappointment and the heartbreak 275 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 9: of having so much hope, so disillusioned. 276 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 7: That's Humi Stein's author, podcaster and basically someone who I've 277 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 7: been obsessed with since her Channel V days. She's telling 278 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 7: me all about the divorce party that she held back 279 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 7: in feb to celebrate the end of her marriage. Yeah 280 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 7: you heard that, right, celebrate. I'll let her explain. 281 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 9: I got divorced myself after a ten year marriage last year, 282 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 9: and I was like, now what. And the whole process 283 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 9: of getting divorced, it's not just you know, signing some papers. 284 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 9: It's a marriage first, and then it's the disintegration of 285 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 9: a marriage. It's a marriage breakdown. It's finally accepting that 286 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 9: the marriage is no longer. It's a really long, elongated 287 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 9: process that's really quite painful, and actually the divorce part 288 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 9: is kind of really good. 289 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 7: So just to be completely transparent, I've never been divorced 290 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 7: and I haven't even been married, but I absolutely can 291 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 7: relate to what Yumi are saying. 292 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 9: We've done the hard thinking and the hard decision making 293 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 9: and now we can finally kind of tie a bowl 294 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 9: around it and say, well that was now in the 295 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 9: past and we're moving on. And what I discovered was 296 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 9: just there aren't that many rituals or to celebrate divorce. 297 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 9: So I wanted to ritualize in a joyful way and 298 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 9: a feminist way. The end of a relationship. 299 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 7: Last year, just like you me my eight year long 300 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 7: relationship ended, and this conversation it really made me realize 301 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 7: that I'd been unintentionally creating my own small rituals to 302 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 7: try and help process my heartbreak. I'd done really tiny 303 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:31,479 Speaker 7: things like getting a fringe groundbreaking I know, or just 304 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 7: remembering the date that i'd been broken up with and 305 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 7: telling my friend AJ about it viral whatsapped voice message. 306 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 7: Yeah this week, it's four weeks, so almost at the 307 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 7: month mark, which is crazy. It's been two months this week, 308 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 7: which is exactly at this time. I was being broken 309 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 7: up with three months ago, and here I am writing 310 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 7: the case for me. Oh my gosh, it's my it's 311 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 7: my form Broaca anniversary today all but celebrate you mean 312 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 7: like again? Actually yesterday was six months broke up? Whoo 313 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 7: I survived. I went out to celebrate the anniversary with 314 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 7: two of my friends a woman new red dress that 315 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 7: I put from the op shop, which was great. I 316 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 7: felt like a new renewal thing. And the idea of 317 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 7: celebrating a divorce or a breakup might sound a little 318 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:32,919 Speaker 7: bit weird, but just think about how many engagements, baby 319 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 7: showers weddings, first birthday, parties you've been to. So why then, 320 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 7: when it comes to celebrating something like the end of 321 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 7: a relationship, which can be such a profound experience of 322 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:49,199 Speaker 7: grief but also of survival, are there no rituals like 323 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,439 Speaker 7: not even one. You me and so many of the 324 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 7: people at the divorce party felt exactly the same way. 325 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 7: It was a moment of joy, It was a moment 326 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 7: of reflection, a moment to celebrate their resilience and just 327 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 7: release all of that emotion. 328 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 9: And so we got maybe seven different people to come 329 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 9: up and talk about a really good story that they 330 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 9: want to share about their divorce. You know. One was like, 331 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 9: I gave birth to my daughter. It was our second kid. 332 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 9: And then my husband was like, I think I want 333 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 9: to leave because I really like my weekends. 334 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 7: No, the audacity of men is unparalleled. 335 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 9: I really like my weekends, and now having kids, things 336 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 9: seems to just get in the way of me doing 337 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 9: all the things that I want to do. And it 338 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,479 Speaker 9: was heartbreak, but it was also like rage. So it 339 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 9: was a bit of a blood letting, like let's pour 340 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 9: it out and let's scream it out. 341 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,679 Speaker 7: After the blood letting, you me held her own version 342 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 7: of a wedding. 343 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 9: A ceremony of marriage to ourselves, where we chose ourselves. 344 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 9: And one of the things that I did was reconceptualize 345 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 9: marriage vowls. If you think about what you can remember 346 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:04,439 Speaker 9: off the cuff of the marriage vows, it's we are 347 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 9: gathered here today and it's also till death to us part. 348 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 9: That's the bit that people remember. So in the new 349 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,439 Speaker 9: vows that we wrote, where we marry ourselves or we 350 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 9: commit to loving ourselves, I just mentioned that when we die, 351 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 9: like where we're going to be the ones that we 352 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 9: die with this This is our longest standing relationship. So 353 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 9: wouldn't it be great if we were happy to go 354 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 9: together with us with me? And also it's a really 355 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 9: grim thought, you know, it's kind of grim that we 356 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 9: all die alone, right, but. 357 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 7: Also incredibly freeing, right. 358 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 9: I totally agree. So we did these marriage vows together 359 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 9: as a group, and by the end of it, everybody 360 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 9: was screaming them and crying. 361 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 7: And so what did that feel like for you to 362 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 7: be in that space? 363 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 9: Oh? It felt amazing, you know, because there was a 364 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 9: whole spectrum of people there in attendance. There were quite 365 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 9: shy people who said to me really quietly. I've never 366 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 9: really even acknowledged that I got divorced. It was my 367 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 9: own private pain. And then there were other people who 368 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 9: were just like making an absolute rucous about it and 369 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 9: have been for years. It was such a great feeling 370 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 9: to kind of facilitate people being able to ritualize their divorces. 371 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 7: I've found that coming to terms with the end of 372 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 7: a chapter of your life it can be really tough, 373 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 7: but it also can be so freeing The impermanence of 374 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 7: it all feels really important. Things that we never expect 375 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 7: to happen just do, and things that we expect to 376 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 7: stay the same just don't. 377 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 9: If somebody runs a cafe, let's say, for seven years, 378 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,199 Speaker 9: and it's really good and it's popular, but then it 379 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 9: starts to not make so much money, and so that 380 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 9: he decided to close. Technically they've failed, But for seven 381 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 9: years it was really successful. So did they fail or 382 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 9: did they just decide to wrap up when the time 383 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 9: was right. So that that, for me is kind of 384 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 9: a comfort. When you think about a failed relationship, it's 385 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 9: not all failure necessarily, It's just you know, at the end, 386 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 9: it didn't last, and not everything should last. 387 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 7: And it's it's really the rituals that mark the endings 388 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 7: of these relationships and that help us to move on. 389 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 7: And so I just wanted to take what Yumi had 390 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,959 Speaker 7: said and just really commemorate the end of my breakup 391 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 7: year and just celerate the start of the next chapter 392 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 7: something that felt feminist and joyful, but also a little 393 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 7: bit like home Tod b. 394 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 10: Shepherd that been kidde in care chickat the person who 395 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 10: was so ungrateful or did not deserve money. Yeah, this 396 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 10: is going cry now. 397 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 7: In Persian culture, we have this ritual called halahafez when 398 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 7: around Maru's which is our your ear, you put your 399 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 7: hand on a book of poetry, ask a question and 400 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 7: get an answer half as his poetry is. It's kind 401 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 7: of like trying to untangle shake experience Old English, though, 402 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 7: and so even if you speak fassy, the meaning is 403 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 7: one hundred percent of for debate, which is perfect if 404 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 7: you're my mom and my aunt and you're essentially telling 405 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 7: my fortune. 406 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 10: The loss of love, what it does to you. Again, 407 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 10: I'm not just saying she's. 408 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 7: But as I listen to them, even the skeptic in 409 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 7: me was really shocked. 410 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 10: I cried a lot from that. 411 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 8: Aless lover Mayam Dick. Can they goa the babe, Babe nice, 412 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 8: my little Astra chicken, Give me a glass of wine. 413 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 10: Let me enjoy, enjoy the life you never know your 414 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 10: destiny has got for you. 415 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 7: I've definitely struggled to rEFInd myself this year, but listening 416 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 7: back to all of the voice messages from this time, 417 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 7: it's really helped me to realize how far I've come. 418 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 7: I feel like it's such a gradual process of learning 419 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 7: to spend time with myself and enjoy my own company, 420 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 7: just like you me. I needed to make a commitment 421 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,919 Speaker 7: to myself and I bought this like silver ring. It 422 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 7: was kind of like a promise to myself to like 423 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 7: look after myself and my names and have that be 424 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 7: really central. So that was kind of a nice ritual 425 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 7: thing to do, I guess, and I think I'm finally 426 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 7: ready to do what half has suggested and just enjoy 427 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:49,439 Speaker 7: life and start my new beginning. Today I just was 428 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 7: like lying in the water, like looking up at the 429 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 7: citadel and it's so warm, and I just had to 430 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 7: fix a lotto and I just like burst out laughing 431 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:04,719 Speaker 7: kind of with like joy, and I don't know, I literally, 432 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 7: I was just I was like, life is really good. 433 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 9: I mean, I think that's the thing too with the 434 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 9: ritual of breakup is it's telling your story. I said 435 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 9: that looking at you in a very meaningful way, because 436 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 9: we're doing your podcast. It's telling a story, and then 437 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 9: hopefully that's the bow you tie around that chapter of 438 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:29,919 Speaker 9: your life and then you can kind of push it 439 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 9: to one side. 440 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 7: Thank you so much, Umia, I've been talking to you 441 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 7: in this beautiful room with all of your mum's beautiful objects. 442 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 9: I know she's got. It's like a little shrine to 443 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 9: Japan with a treadmill, like it's so Asian. 444 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 7: A day. The friend that I've been what's up voice messaging? 445 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 7: She started out being a friend of a friend, and 446 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 7: over the last twelve months we've sent each other so 447 00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 7: many messages about heartbreak but also lowliness. To be honest, 448 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 7: that's all shifted now. We're talking more and more about 449 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 7: everything else that's going on in our lives in romantic relationships. 450 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 7: They're not really the focus of our conversation. But of course, 451 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 7: when my breakup anniversary rolled around, she remembered. 452 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 11: Hello, just wanted to say congratulations on pioneering the way 453 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 11: forward for yourself and going on so many adventures and 454 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 11: leaning in so well to pursuing your artistic and creative 455 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 11: endeavors and upholstering your own furniture, all the things that 456 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 11: you do Cape. You are really amazing and it's been 457 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 11: nice to get to know you over the last year 458 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 11: in such a strange format. I hope we actually hang 459 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 11: out sometime soon. But I hope you're well and yeah, 460 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 11: no need to get back, just wanted to say hi. 461 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 2: It was really nice to hear from AJ again. I 462 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 2: feel like I've missed Aj. I have just a giant 463 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,679 Speaker 2: list of things I need to comment on very quickly. 464 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 2: I was excited to hear from AJ again. I didn't 465 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 2: realize your fringe is a breakup fringe. It's a great fringe. 466 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 2: You should always have had a fringe. And was that 467 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 2: your mum or your auntie saying asshole? 468 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 3: It was so good? It was my maa well. 469 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 2: Done, well done mom, hey, and well done you. What 470 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 2: a beautiful end to your your trio of episodes. 471 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 3: Congratulations, thank mama. 472 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,719 Speaker 2: I feel like the question you were asking in this 473 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 2: episode was really clear, Like I felt like I from 474 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 2: the beginning, I had a sense of we are going 475 00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 2: to ask why we don't commemorate the new beginnings that 476 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 2: come from a sadness like a divorce or a breakup. 477 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 2: I'm interested though. It makes a lot of sense for 478 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 2: me having listened to it, But beforehand, when you're conceiving 479 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,439 Speaker 2: of this episode, doesn't necessarily make sense to put divorce 480 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 2: and new beginnings together. 481 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 3: So where did that come from? 482 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 7: To me? It's a really obvious link. Yeah, I think 483 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 7: divorce breakups, they're really reburseed, and as Yumi says, like, 484 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 7: it's not all failure. And I think we often have 485 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,679 Speaker 7: in our societies and in our groups of people that 486 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 7: surround us, we often have this notion that divorce and 487 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 7: the end of a relationship can be so sad, but 488 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 7: for so many people it's not. It's so freeing, and 489 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 7: it's such a celebration of refining yourself and reconfiguring yourself 490 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 7: in the world. And so for me, it felt really 491 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 7: important to be able to tell that story. 492 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 2: I loved there was a moment conversation between you and 493 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 2: Yumi where you talked about the fact that it seems 494 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 2: quite bizarre. I think that something has to last a 495 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 2: lifetime for it to be valuable or good. There's nothing 496 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 2: else we apply that that measure too, I suppose that 497 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 2: measure of success. Tell me about talking to Yumi Steins. 498 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 7: It was so fun. It was quite weird because she 499 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 7: was in Melbourne with her kids, staying at her mum's house, 500 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 7: and so she just said coming over to my mom's 501 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 7: and I was. 502 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 3: Like, okay, of course I'll just. 503 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 7: Come to Umi Stean's mom's house. Sure that's not weird 504 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 7: or different. And at the time, my mom and my 505 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 7: aunt were staying with me, like my aunt was visiting 506 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 7: from overseas, and so I had them in my house 507 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 7: and they were like. 508 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: What are you doing? 509 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 7: And I was like, I'm going to do an interview 510 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 7: at someone's mum's house. I know, it's very confusing. And 511 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 7: they were like, well, what are you taking? And I 512 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 7: was like, oh my gosh, I haven't even thought about that. 513 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 7: Of course, I can't chrup to someone's mum's house without 514 00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 7: bringing herself. 515 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 3: Bring a plate kicked or something exactly. 516 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 7: And so I brought her some mangoes. The reason I 517 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 7: did that was because the morning after my breakup, when 518 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 7: my friends came to pick me up and the things 519 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 7: I chose to take with me when I left my 520 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 7: house were in order. My laptop great, practical, good love 521 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 7: that for me. My wallet great, also practical, my passport 522 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 7: like I was just. 523 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, and I wanted to flee the country. 524 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 8: I know. 525 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 7: I think that's what I was thinking, like tomorrow morning, 526 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 7: I'm And then I took from the football a single 527 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 7: mango interesting, and I think that was like the vindictive 528 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 7: part of me that was like, I love mangos so much. 529 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 3: Mango's are so expensive. 530 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 7: I'm taking this with. 531 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 3: Me, this yours. 532 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 7: Yeah. And so there was a really nice moment where 533 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 7: I was like on the street walking to Yumie's mum's 534 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 7: house with my mangos in my hands, being like, come 535 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 7: a long way. 536 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 3: You have come a long way. I want to I'm 537 00:30:59,600 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 3: gonna go. 538 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 2: I'm going to hold this to podcasting, the podcasting journey. 539 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 3: What are you most proud of? 540 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 7: I think that this has been such an emotional process 541 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 7: to go through, but it's been so healing. Like I 542 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 7: thought that I was all good and then going through 543 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 7: this process, I had to relive a lot of stuff. 544 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 7: And it's been really important for me to be able 545 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 7: to look on a year of voice messages with fresh 546 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 7: eyes and fresh perspective, and there are so many little 547 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 7: things like the fortune telling, for example, with my mum 548 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 7: and my aunt, Like I just recorded that on my 549 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 7: phone before I started this process, because I wanted to 550 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,959 Speaker 7: know what my fortune was going to be and I 551 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 7: needed to remember it. And so that was just us 552 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 7: in my laund room because it's something that's important to me. 553 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 7: And so it feels really nice that I got to 554 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 7: include all of these little bits of myself and my 555 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 7: life and my world in a way that feels very 556 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 7: authentic to my voice. 557 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 2: Kate, your willingness to share, I think what for many 558 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 2: of us is super relatable but also deeply personal has 559 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 2: not gone unnoticed. 560 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 3: I really hope that this series has helped you. 561 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 2: Heal even further past the version of you that we 562 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 2: met back in episode one. Now, this could be the 563 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 2: last time we talked to you on Find and Tell, 564 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 2: but I hope I get to hear much much more 565 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 2: work from you in the future. You have done a 566 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 2: wonderful job. 567 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 7: Thank you so much for listening, Jamela. 568 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 2: When we come back, who will win today's episode, Naan 569 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 2: or Kate? 570 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 3: I am going to need a moment to think. 571 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 2: This is a Find and Tell and the theme this 572 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 2: week was new Beginnings, and this could be the last 573 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 2: time that we hear from one of our brilliant storytellers. 574 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 2: Nayanne's character development in this work, her scripting, her narration, 575 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 2: the way she genuinely went out finding a story, finding 576 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 2: a police auction which I'd never even heard of, and 577 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 2: bringing easy Mike's Gloria's voice and personality to all of 578 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 2: us was really insightful. I think she showed some real skill, 579 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 2: and she's developed over this series. I think one of 580 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 2: the things that she did really cleverly is she made 581 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 2: us see what she was telling us about in audio. 582 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 3: Right. 583 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 2: I can picture that police auction in my mind's eye. 584 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 2: I can see what's going on. Huge congratulations to Naan 585 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 2: on that episode. Kate has made this horribly hard to call. 586 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 2: It's rude, how difficult these two have made this decision 587 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 2: for me because this was again an excellent episode. There's 588 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 2: some beautiful wisdom in Kate's episode, and she delivers it 589 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 2: in a way that is warm and friendly, doesn't feel 590 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 2: condescending or sort of annoying, like you're being told what 591 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 2: to think or what to do. An absolute highlight of 592 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 2: this episode for me was being permitted inside Kate's family 593 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 2: home and hearing her interaction with her mum in particular, 594 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,360 Speaker 2: I think Kate also gave us an arc a story 595 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,799 Speaker 2: arc over these three episodes that made it such a 596 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 2: pleasure to listen along with. And I imagine if I'd 597 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 2: just been through a breakup, this would have been very soothing. 598 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,799 Speaker 2: Kate has created a beautiful trio of episodes that sit 599 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 2: together in such an elegant way. 600 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 3: If I was judging them as a three, oh my gosh, 601 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:29,399 Speaker 3: I haven't. 602 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 2: I just think it was absolute perfection, But I have 603 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,399 Speaker 2: to judge them individually, and individually, I think we could 604 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,320 Speaker 2: have seen a little bit more experimentation this week, moving 605 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 2: away from the same structure, branching out with the way 606 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,840 Speaker 2: Kate does things, and I'm sure she will do that 607 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 2: in future, because she's super talented. After hearing both stories, 608 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,760 Speaker 2: I've really wrestled with this one, Guys. I've gone backwards 609 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,360 Speaker 2: and forwards inside of my head trying to figure it out. 610 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,880 Speaker 2: But I've decided that the story that wins this week 611 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,319 Speaker 2: is Naan's Naar, you are this week's winner. 612 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 3: Congratulations, awesome, yay. I feel like we did this for easy. 613 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 4: Mike Ah too easy, right, Thanks so much for having me, Timilo. 614 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,359 Speaker 4: It's been a blast, and this whole experience has been unforgettable, 615 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 4: all right. 616 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 2: The way the scores line out, things are about to 617 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 2: get very very interesting. Make sure that you do not 618 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 2: miss our next episode because we are going to be 619 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 2: hearing the two final tales before two of our storytellers 620 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 2: bow out. Who is it going to be? Don't miss it? 621 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 2: Press follow in whichever podcast app you are listening on. 622 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:47,959 Speaker 3: A big thank you. 623 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 2: To our show partners Afters and Road Australia. Find and 624 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 2: Tell is a co production between iHeart Australia and the 625 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 2: black Cast podcast network. 626 00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 3: Black Cast empowers 627 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 2: First Nations people and people of color to reclaim their narratives, 628 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 2: strengthen cultural identity, and contribute to a more inclusive Australia 629 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 2: by showcasing exciting emerging talent from Australian communities.