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Speaker 2: Casey de Laquis is one of Australia's greatest doubles tennis players.

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Speaker 2: During her career, the West Australian played eight Grand Slam finals,

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Speaker 2: the Australian Open since nineteen seventy seven. Welcome back to

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Speaker 2: the Female Athlete Project and thanks for pressing play on

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Speaker 2: today's episode.

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Speaker 3: My name is Sophie.

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Speaker 2: Norris, the producer here at TEFAP and this week Chloe

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Speaker 2: sits down with eight time Grand Slam finalists turned legendary

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Speaker 2: tennis commentator Casey de Laquas. Casey shares how her love

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Speaker 2: for tennis began, what she learned from losing seven Grand

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Speaker 3: Lead at Tennis New.

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Speaker 3: De Lacuell, Welcome LATHLETEP Project.

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Speaker 1: Hi, Chloe. I've been wanting to come and join you

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Speaker 3: I'm very excited. I've loved watching your career as a

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Speaker 1: But it was so great. Obviously, all the leading events

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Speaker 1: It is always a good thing in tennis because it

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Speaker 1: And really grateful for incredible trailblazers like the Billy Jean

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Speaker 1: Kings and the you know, Martina Navradelover's and Chris Everts

437
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Speaker 1: and those women that and then the original nine from

438
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Speaker 1: the WTA that you know, really made their mark on

439
00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 1: tennis as a global sport from it many many years ago.

440
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Speaker 1: And I love the legacy of our game and like

441
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Speaker 1: I've always been really interested in that and those that

442
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Speaker 1: have come before me, So I think that we've been

443
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Speaker 1: fortunate in that sense. So yeah, my experience has always

444
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 1: been fantastic as an athlete. Obviously I came in when

445
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 1: there was equal prize money as well in terms of

446
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Speaker 1: you know, getting practice courts and stuff. I feel like,

447
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,439
Speaker 1: as I said, tennis has led the way. But in

448
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 1: saying that, I do think that there's still always work

449
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 1: to be done, and particularly now working on the other

450
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,560
Speaker 1: side of the game as maybe not an elite athlete

451
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Speaker 1: and seeing it from a grassroots kind of participation and

452
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Speaker 1: the access and opportunities for women and girls. You know,

453
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Speaker 1: we've still got a fair bit of work to do

454
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Speaker 1: in that space. But as an elite athlete, as I said,

455
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Speaker 1: I feel very grateful to be part of a sport

456
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Speaker 1: that's really led the way. Let's not forget Serena and

457
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Speaker 1: Venus Williams also, who you know have paved the way

458
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Speaker 1: for so many. So yeah, I'm grateful for that.

459
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Speaker 3: And what was your experience like with like I think

460
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Speaker 3: for me, if I think reflect on, say, like my

461
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Speaker 3: AFOW career, I remember starting the AFOW and just being

462
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Speaker 3: like shocked by public conversation around the sport. Is that

463
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Speaker 3: something I guess social media when you're first starting out,

464
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Speaker 3: social media wasn't a big thing, But was that part

465
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Speaker 3: of your like we over impacted by public conversation perception

466
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Speaker 3: about women in tennis?

467
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I did. I had a lot of commentary

468
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Speaker 1: around my body. I had a lot of commentary around

469
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Speaker 1: how I looked or my performances based on my body,

470
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Speaker 1: and that that was tough. And yes, when I first started,

471
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Speaker 1: social media wasn't around because so you didn't have that,

472
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Speaker 1: I guess ability to be able to say what was

473
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Speaker 1: going on behind the scenes. And I think that's you

474
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Speaker 1: never know what anyone's going through, right, Like you don't

475
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Speaker 1: know what their battles are, or how they wake up

476
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Speaker 1: that day or what they're feeling. So yeah, I definitely

477
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:41,919
Speaker 1: think that was a hard time, and I know I'm

478
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Speaker 1: probably not the only athlete that has obviously dealt with

479
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Speaker 1: a lot of that stuff. But I think times have

480
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Speaker 1: also changed where I know that there's been a shift,

481
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Speaker 1: and I hope there continues to be more of a

482
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Speaker 1: shift where there's not so much commentary on you know,

483
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Speaker 1: our bodies when we're out there performing. But yes, I

484
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Speaker 1: definitely had a number of times where that was the

485
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Speaker 1: topic of conversation and it wasn't it wasn't fun. And yes,

486
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Speaker 1: I would never want not only my own kids, but no,

487
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Speaker 1: you know boys or girls going through that.

488
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry that happened, and it's okay. It's

489
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 3: been quite amazing to see and as you say, like

490
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Speaker 3: it's not the issue is absolutely not fixed, but to

491
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Speaker 3: see athletes like Alonamar kind of come out and talk about,

492
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Speaker 3: like really challenge this idea because it is it's so

493
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,640
Speaker 3: often been women's bodies that have been just again put

494
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Speaker 3: in this box of what you should look like to

495
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Speaker 3: perform as an elite athlete, but that women's bodies are

496
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Speaker 3: strong and powerful and they can look however they look

497
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Speaker 3: to be able to perform as an elite athlete.

498
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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, and I think particularly in a sport like tennis,

499
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Speaker 1: where we have seen some very you know, different body

500
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Speaker 1: shapes perform at the best level. And if you're talking

501
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Speaker 1: about height, these incredible tall athletes being able to move

502
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Speaker 1: so agile now from the back of the cour or

503
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Speaker 1: you know some shorter, you know players like a Jasmine

504
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Speaker 1: Paolini who is just an absolute pocket rocket and incredible

505
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Speaker 1: at what she does. And I think that's the joy

506
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Speaker 1: of our sport, particularly tennis, where there is no one

507
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 1: size fits all, like you can actually be as long

508
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Speaker 1: as you are performing at your best and you are

509
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Speaker 1: in the gym doing what your body needs to be

510
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Speaker 1: able to do to play your best tennis. Isn't that

511
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 1: such a great thing that we can do that? And yes,

512
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Speaker 1: I look at other sports where like I obviously follow

513
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Speaker 1: Aloner as well, and I'm like, I love that she

514
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Speaker 1: is now visible and you know, she's strong and her

515
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Speaker 1: body does what it is it needs to do, and

516
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 1: that's amazing in itself. So yeah, I definitely think social

517
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: media has been great for that in terms of athletes

518
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: being able to share their training regimes, what they do,

519
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: how their body performs nutrition. I think it's really good.

520
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Speaker 3: Touching on I guess your evolution away from tennis once

521
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 3: you're retired, and the commentary piece. I think one thing

522
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Speaker 3: that really stands out to me speaking of like powerful women,

523
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 3: trailblazers and uplifting women, Like when I think about we

524
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 3: talk about at Teefaba, rising tide lifts or boats, I

525
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 3: think about your amazing relationship and friendship with Ash. Yeah,

526
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 3: what has that journey been like? Obviously you played together

527
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Speaker 3: for many years in doubles, but that relationship, Like I

528
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Speaker 3: think about her career on the court, and it stands

529
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Speaker 3: out to me obviously those postmatch interviews that you had

530
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Speaker 3: with her and that kind of relationship, what's that been

531
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Speaker 3: like for you?

532
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Look, I think whether you play an individual team sport,

533
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Speaker 1: and I'm sure maybe you can attest to this, Chloe,

534
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Speaker 1: that when you find someone that you connect with at

535
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Speaker 1: the level that Ash and I did from the very beginning,

536
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Speaker 1: it really does make your journey in sport just more

537
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Speaker 1: fruitful because you've got someone to laugh with, have a

538
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Speaker 1: friendship with on and off the court. And so for

539
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Speaker 1: Ash and I and even now like I really obviously

540
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Speaker 1: cherish that friendship. It was built on a lot of

541
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Speaker 1: trust between each other. It was built on loyalty from

542
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: the very beginning, and it just grew and grew from there,

543
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Speaker 1: and yeah, we're just we're just mates and whatever. You know,

544
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Speaker 1: I hope that I gave ash in terms of just

545
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: mentorship around being on to our life on tour, the challenges,

546
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Speaker 1: the battles. I can tell you that in tenfold, she

547
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: gave me just as much, whether that be in you know,

548
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: just youthfulness, fun laughter, a bit more relaxed in terms

549
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: of being on the practice court playing all of her

550
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: brilliant trick shots. I was very kind of like structured

551
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 1: with my routines and warmups, but she would throw in

552
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Speaker 1: these incredible drop shots even in warmups, and I'm like,

553
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 1: that's awesome. So yeah, I think it just we just gelled,

554
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 1: we combined, and yeah, it's an incredible friendship that you know,

555
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: we've both you know, I know we're both very grateful.

556
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Speaker 3: For That's awesome. When did you for start thinking that that,

557
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Speaker 3: I guess that punditory expert commentary could be something that

558
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 3: you could explore. Well.

559
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Speaker 1: Actually, when I was kind of thinking I was going

560
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: to wind up my career, I thought what am I

561
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: going to do next? Lack probably a lot of elite athletes.

562
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: And it's an interesting space as well, isn't it, because

563
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 1: there's obviously been so much now more put in place

564
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: for athletes whilst they're playing, but also post Korea. Yeah,

565
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 1: and I know team sports and clubs and that put

566
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 1: those things in place for their athletes. But in tennis,

567
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: you know, when I knew my career was winding up,

568
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: I didn't finish your twelve. I had done a satya.

569
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Speaker 3: I didn't know that about you.

570
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I didn't finish your twelve and I did

571
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: do my certificate three and beauty therapy okay whilst I

572
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: was out injured, So I was like what do I

573
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: have behind me? Like it was a real Yeah, it

574
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: was a real moment in time where I was like

575
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: what will I do next? Like where is life going

576
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: to take me? And I was very uncertain, very unsure,

577
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: and a good friend of mine, Morlimasua said to me,

578
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: and it's always stuck with me, he said, once you

579
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: retire case, it'll take you about three years until you

580
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: kind of feel very distanced from that player mentality, and

581
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: I reckon it was about three years that I was like, okay,

582
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: I do not wake up feeling like I belong, you know,

583
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: hitting tennis balls anymore and all of that. But yeah,

584
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: whilst I was still playing, I asked if I could

585
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: just jump in on a few comments, like a few matches.

586
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: And you've worked in TV, so you know how it

587
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: kind of works in a sense that you don't get

588
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: much feedback. No, like no one gives you any feedback whatsoever.

589
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 3: No, and you just get thrown in the defense.

590
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like you were kind of expected to know

591
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: what to do totally. And I love feedback, like I

592
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: am so used to. If I missed a forehand, I

593
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: was like, okay, what do I do wrong on that?

594
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Speaker 3: Once?

595
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: I was like, give me all the feedback nothing.

596
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

597
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: So then the only bit of feedback was someone told

598
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: me you probably should stop saying yeah nah in commentary

599
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, yeah, no, probably should.

600
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Speaker 3: That's great, so so aussy, but.

601
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just thought I'll jump in. I will do

602
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: a couple of matches whilst I'm still a current player.

603
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Speaker 1: And then as I wound out my career, I just

604
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: tried to jump in there the next Australian Open, and

605
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: then it just so happened that the tennis was switching

606
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: between Channel seven and Channel nine at the time, so

607
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: Channel nine took on a bit of a new crew

608
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Speaker 1: and I jumped in on that and I love it.

609
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Speaker 1: I love it so much. Yeah, it's a different way

610
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: of I guess having influence. It's sitting behind a microphone

611
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: and commentating on what you see, and I try and

612
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: talk in like when I'm commentating to like, I'm just

613
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: talking to you on the couch. Yeah, so maybe that's

614
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: I guess that's my style, my commentary style, how I

615
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: like to kind of speak. But yeah, I really love it.

616
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Speaker 3: It's good. I obviously I love watching you and and

617
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 3: listening to you, and I think that's something that always

618
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 3: sticks out to me when I see you as how

619
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 3: genuine and authentic you are. I'm particularly like those postmajor

620
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 3: interviews on court. I feel like that's what you bring

621
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 3: that really humanizes those situations. Is that something like when

622
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 3: you first started, did you always feel confident rocking up

623
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 3: as yourself or did you? Cause I think for me,

624
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 3: like sometimes you see people and you kind of feel

625
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 3: like you almost have to copy someone else and be

626
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 3: like they are. Was that a journey for you or

627
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 3: are you just like I'm just going to do it?

628
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: Ah? Yeah, like you raise a really quick point, because

629
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: I was probably almost too too much myself that I

630
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: was like, I probably need to be a bit more refined,

631
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: and obviously, having never studied journalism or anything, I was

632
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: coming off just very raw casey. So I've tried to

633
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: become a little bit more refined in the way that

634
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: like you do a brilliant job of asking questions, but

635
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: I've tried to become a bit more refined in how

636
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: I ask questions, listening to the answer, thinking about a

637
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: follow up question. It's certainly been a journey, but I've

638
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: tried to also keep a lot of who I am

639
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: to what I bring to them to those interviews, and yeah,

640
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: trying to get the most out of the player given

641
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: the fact that sometimes they often don't speak English, maybe

642
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,239
Speaker 1: very well totally they you know, you have to I

643
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: sometimes twin to talk very fast and with an Aussie accent,

644
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: so given like giving them space to feel like they

645
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: understand the question. And then I think the other thing

646
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: is when you've been a player, you I just try

647
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: and empathize with them in every way because I've been there,

648
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: So I try and be a bit more of a

649
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: players commentator in a sense. Of connecting with them on

650
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: a level that I've been there so understanding the nuances

651
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,479
Speaker 1: of tennis and that it's a tricky sport and what

652
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Speaker 1: they would want to be asked. What would I want

653
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Speaker 1: to be asked in a moment where I've had an

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Speaker 1: epic battle or maybe I've beaten someone very comfortably or

655
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Speaker 1: whatever it be. So yeah, I've tried to improve every

656
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Speaker 1: every year.

657
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Speaker 3: I love it. I love that talk to us about

658
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 3: your current role and how how did it come about

659
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Speaker 3: your work in tennis aside from that commentary work.

660
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well again, after I finished playing and wound up

661
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: my career, I don't know how you felt, but I

662
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: was just like, again, what am I going to do next?

663
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Speaker 1: And yes, TV is fantastic and I love having influence

664
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Speaker 1: in that public facing role talking tennis, but I wanted something,

665
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Speaker 1: I guess a little bit more purposeful and something a

666
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: bit more to get me up every day and feel

667
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Speaker 1: like it was rewarding for me to go to work.

668
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Speaker 1: So a really good friend of mine, Lawrence Robinson, and

669
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Speaker 1: a good mentor. He was the current Tennis New Supple

670
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Speaker 1: CEO at the time, and he said, hey, Case, would

671
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Speaker 1: you like to come into the Tennis new Suppers offices

672
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Speaker 1: and do like a two day a week women and

673
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Speaker 1: girls kind of lead role. Yes, yes, I was like,

674
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Speaker 1: that sounds fantastic. Just one problem. I don't know how

675
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Speaker 1: to write an email properly.

676
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Speaker 3: There was no chat GPT.

677
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Speaker 1: And there was no chat GPT and I was a

678
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Speaker 1: big emoji person, so I was like putting emojives like

679
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: all over these business emails. But I said, yes, absolutely,

680
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Speaker 1: I would love to. So I started, you know, and look,

681
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: admittedly I had to definitely strip back a lot of

682
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Speaker 1: my ego. Like I had just come officly having played

683
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Speaker 1: and having a great career, and here I was kind

684
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: of going back to a two day a week going

685
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Speaker 1: into the office just you know, doing work. And but

686
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: I've never been afraid to, I guess get down and

687
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: dirty or get my hands you know dirty with amazing

688
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: projects or whatever it might be, as long as there's

689
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 1: some objectives and I know it's going to have impacts.

690
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I just put my head down and got

691
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Speaker 1: in there and just so happened. At the time, Tennis

692
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Speaker 1: Australia received some federal funding for a huge investment into

693
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Speaker 1: women and girls and kind of the role just grew

694
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Speaker 1: from there.

695
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Speaker 3: And can we take a bit of a deep dive

696
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Speaker 3: into that strategy from that funding, How do you go

697
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Speaker 3: about implementing something as huge as let's try and make

698
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Speaker 3: a sport more equitable for women and girls. It's a huge.

699
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Speaker 1: Task, yeah, it is. And I think this is why

700
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Speaker 1: I just absolutely love the work that you do, Chloe

701
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: in terms of your advocacy for women and girls. And

702
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Speaker 1: I think for me, my first kind of piece within

703
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Speaker 1: this role was actually sitting on the Gender Equality task

704
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Speaker 1: Force at Tennis Australia. So I walked into a room

705
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Speaker 1: of highly intelligent women, all from academia that brought so

706
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: much knowledge, wisdom and experience into the room and I

707
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,959
Speaker 1: almost felt like I was, I guess, a bit misplaced there.

708
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Speaker 1: But the thing that I did bring was I guess

709
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Speaker 1: I felt like I brought a degree of university from tennis.

710
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: I don't know how to explain its like years and

711
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 1: years of tennis. I was like, I know, I can,

712
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Speaker 1: I know I can bring something to this room. So

713
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: we sat down and we kind of just you know,

714
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: dug with a fine tooth comb around tennis and all

715
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: the opportunities and the ways that we can make our

716
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Speaker 1: sport better for women and girls, and then the strategy

717
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: was formed and with that became you know, I guess,

718
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: real accountability for not just the people that were going

719
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Speaker 1: to be operational and delivering the strategy, but also the

720
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Speaker 1: whole business. And I think that's what I'm so proud

721
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Speaker 1: of is the fact that tennis is you know, really

722
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Speaker 1: again leading the way from you know, bottom up in

723
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: terms of everyone. It's everyone's responsibility to make sure that

724
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Speaker 1: if you walk into your local club that there's imagery

725
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Speaker 1: of women and girls playing tennis, or you know, our

726
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: sport is has as many has as much access and

727
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Speaker 1: opportunities for them. So yeah, I've been really, really, I

728
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Speaker 1: guess proud of the strategic kind of part I've played,

729
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: but also being on the ground in New South Wales,

730
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Speaker 1: particularly being operational with it's been so rewarding.

731
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Speaker 3: I want to touch on a couple of the programs

732
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Speaker 3: because I got to travel around and do some keynotes,

733
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Speaker 3: so excited. I loved it, and just a beautiful community

734
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Speaker 3: of people. I really loved getting to know lots of

735
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Speaker 3: people in the tennis community. It was a really lovely

736
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Speaker 3: experience and I was amazed at some of the numbers

737
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Speaker 3: that that have come out of these programs. But what

738
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Speaker 3: I guess a couple of like key barriers that you

739
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Speaker 3: identified when you were trying to implement this strategy, Like,

740
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Speaker 3: what are some of the big barriers for women and

741
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Speaker 3: girls in tennis that you guys have been trying to

742
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Speaker 3: help fix.

743
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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I think I think a big part of

744
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Speaker 1: it is that we want we wanted the women to

745
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Speaker 1: feel like they were had opportunities where it was slack,

746
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: tangible work that they could take back and actually implement

747
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: within their own local communities. So our Women Leaders in

748
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Speaker 1: Tennis Program, which is a lot of the women that

749
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Speaker 1: you connected with through our events, thank you so much.

750
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: It was so good as I love, we loved having you.

751
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: There was so much great feedback. But I think that

752
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: for those women when they do the Women Leaders in

753
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Speaker 1: Tennis program, which is our four month program for them,

754
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Speaker 1: and we've had over a thousand women participate in that

755
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: program alone, they come into the program, they obviously get

756
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 1: upskilled in leadership and that which is fantastic, but they

757
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: also do a great action learning project which is tied

758
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Speaker 1: to their local community. They then become strong leaders And Yeah,

759
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Speaker 1: I just think being able to give them the tools

760
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Speaker 1: and I guess the skills to go back into their

761
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Speaker 1: own environment and to be leaders, and obviously being a volunteer,

762
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Speaker 1: it's a pretty thankless job a lot of the time.

763
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Speaker 1: So we wanted to make sure that the women not

764
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Speaker 1: only have the skill set to go back to their

765
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Speaker 1: club and implement change, but also have a community of

766
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Speaker 1: other women that are doing very similar things. And I

767
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Speaker 1: think that whole networking piece has been really powerful too.

768
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Speaker 3: And are there any other key numbers that you can

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Speaker 3: touch on about what it's achieved, because I loved seeing

770
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Speaker 3: some of the stats that you guys shared.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, I mean in terms of our state of play,

772
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Speaker 1: we finished this funding. This finished at the thirtieth of

773
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Speaker 1: November last year. But we had real strict targets, real

774
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Speaker 1: targets that we wanted to be able to hit and

775
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Speaker 1: also have like measurable impact in terms of what not

776
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Speaker 1: just what we were doing, but what was the impact

777
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Speaker 1: of all of the programs. So in terms of our

778
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Speaker 1: community leadership, as I said, we had over one thousand

779
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Speaker 1: women and that engaged in our leadership programs, which is

780
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Speaker 1: not just our women leaders in Tennis, it was our

781
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Speaker 1: learn to Lead program as well for our youngsters. We

782
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Speaker 1: had a forty six percent increase in our women coaches huge,

783
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Speaker 1: which is and the women coaching space is something I'm

784
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 1: extremely passionate about, particularly in that high performance space. But

785
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Speaker 1: the work that was done within our women coaching network

786
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,240
Speaker 1: has been incredible. We had over four two hundred girls

787
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Speaker 1: in tailored development programs, which has been our No Limits

788
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Speaker 1: squad and getting you know, young girls on the court

789
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Speaker 1: playing a little bit more competitive play. We had a

790
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Speaker 1: forty percent increase in competitive play for our young girls.

791
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Speaker 1: So all of our numbers were fantastic and I think

792
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Speaker 1: for myself, when I look at the numbers, I'm just

793
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Speaker 1: really proud of all of the work that's been done

794
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,399
Speaker 1: across Australia by our Women and Girls team. So yeah,

795
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Speaker 1: I mean obviously grateful for the investment and the funding

796
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Speaker 1: and then to be able to implement what we've done.

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Speaker 1: And I think the numbers are great, Chloe, but I

798
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Speaker 1: think having had the experience of being involved with them,

799
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Speaker 1: the anecdotal you know, comments, and also the relationships that

800
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Speaker 1: I personally have built with a lot of our participants,

801
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Speaker 1: I think it's been a real highlight for me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's awesome, and you've got a new way of

803
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 3: funding that you'll get to roll out across twenty twenty six.

804
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Speaker 3: What does that look like and how will that be implemented.

805
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so we've got a new investment again, which I'm

806
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: really excited about. It's a new challenge for me, particularly

807
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: in this women and girls' space, but it's going to

808
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:05,720
Speaker 1: be more around clubs and our local clubs getting funding

809
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,959
Speaker 1: to be able to deliver their own gender equity Action plan,

810
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 1: which I think will be it's kind of I guess

811
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Speaker 1: a little bit more systematic with how the clubs operate

812
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: and them getting tailored things for their women and girls

813
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Speaker 1: within their own local environment. So yeah, I'm really excited

814
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: about that. That's getting rolled out this year. So we're

815
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Speaker 1: going to have sixty clubs involved in that project, and

816
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Speaker 1: I'm really excited to work with twenty clubs, particularly here

817
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: in New South Wales, to really I guess look at

818
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 1: their ways of working and how we can implement change

819
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Speaker 1: at their local club. It will be really exciting.

820
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Speaker 3: I love that. I've got two questions that I ask

821
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 3: everyone on the podcast to finish up with, but there

822
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Speaker 3: was one thing you said in there that I wanted

823
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Speaker 3: to actually ask you about. When you walked into that

824
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Speaker 3: room of women who were all you know, fancy academic,

825
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Speaker 3: university educaded people. How did you Obviously you found that

826
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Speaker 3: way of finding your value, But I just feel like,

827
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Speaker 3: as a broader conversation, it's such a big thing. I

828
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Speaker 3: think for a lot of women and girls right often

829
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Speaker 3: walking into rooms, potentially walking into rooms of men. Do

830
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Speaker 3: you have, I guess, any advice for how people can

831
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Speaker 3: find their intrinsic value, to be able to find their

832
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Speaker 3: voice to speak up in those rooms.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a really good question because I was walking

834
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Speaker 1: into a room of women that, as I said, I

835
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: knew were going to be incredible and supportive, but I

836
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: was still daunted by the fact of just not feeling like, maybe,

837
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Speaker 1: yeah my value, what was I going to add? Like?

838
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:34,240
Speaker 1: Where was I going to add value? So I think

839
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Speaker 1: the only advice I would have is, I guess just

840
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: to say yes to the opportunities that kind of come

841
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: your way, because there was a big part of me

842
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: that was like, oh am I up to this, and

843
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 1: then you know, having great people around me to say, yeah,

844
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: you're going to bring something to the table. But yeah,

845
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Speaker 1: just I guess I also think there's so much value

846
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: if you can just try and do as many professional

847
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: development opportunities. So I did all of the ASC leadership

848
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:04,399
Speaker 1: work shops, closet playing, I did a c W Chief

849
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: Executive Women course, anything that I could feel like I

850
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: was growing some confidence in how I was going to

851
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 1: use my voice. Was I did it? So, I guess. Also, Yeah,

852
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 1: my point is that sometimes you do have to still

853
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: just work hard, like finding opportunities, put yourself out there.

854
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: And I did that, as I said, even taking on

855
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: a role where I didn't really know the business ways

856
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: of working, but just finding Yeah, finding lots of opportunities

857
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: and taking them with both hands.

858
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Speaker 3: I love that. That's really cool. All right. My two questions.

859
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 3: First one is what is your favorite failure?

860
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: Yeah? Probably my favorite failure I've talked about this a

861
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: little bit, is just the fact that I lost seven

862
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: women's doubles Grand Slam Finals.

863
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 3: Brutal, brutal, brutal. Yeah, Why is it your favorite?

864
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 1: Because when you ask that, qu Ques and I'm like,

865
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Speaker 1: it's an interesting one, isn't it, Because like, how do

866
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Speaker 1: we have a favorite failure for something that potentially maybe

867
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: feels terrible? Why? I think because it really definitely taught

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Speaker 1: me what for me? What success looked like. It taught

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00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: me that, yeah, regardless, like I definitely would have loved

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Speaker 1: to have won one Chloe, like one hundred percent. And

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Speaker 1: I still wish like I could have moments in those

872
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: matches back where you know, we were playing well and

873
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 1: I had one, But it never defined really who It

874
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like it defines who I am now. So

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Speaker 1: I think that's probably my favorite failure in a sense.

876
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 1: It taught me a lot of things that yeah, it

877
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: doesn't define I guess who I am now. And also

878
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: the other thing it taught me was that after I

879
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: lost a number of finals, so I lost like maybe

880
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,240
Speaker 1: the second one and the third one, and Ash's old coach,

881
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: Craig Tyser said to me, said to us as well

882
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: at the time, just because you keep making finals doesn't

883
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 1: mean you're like because everyone used to say to me

884
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: after I lost a lot, you don't worry you win one. Eventually,

885
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: you'll get there, you win one, And I'm like, but

886
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: will I? And I never did. And Craig said to me, look,

887
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: just because you're putting yourself in the finals doesn't mean

888
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: you're you know, subject to winning one at all. And

889
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: I was like, well, you're actually right, you have to

890
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: put things in place right to make sure that you

891
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: go out there and win. And my last few are lost.

892
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: I don't have any regrets because I definitely put it

893
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: all out there on the doubles court, but I still

894
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: lost all seven brutal, But anyway, it's all good.

895
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Speaker 3: I like it. I like the perspective. Who has had

896
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 3: the biggest impact on you as a person?

897
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: Hmmm, probably does? It can only just be one.

898
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 3: You can have sometimes it's kind of very hard to

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00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:55,479
Speaker 3: just do one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, now, look I think my Nan, my Nan definitely,

901
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: she is now ninety two. Maybe a lot of people

902
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 1: have memories of her at the Australian Open with her

903
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: Aussie flag on top of her head. But Nan is

904
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Speaker 1: also you know, the left hander of the family and

905
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: growing up, I had a really special type bomb with

906
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Speaker 1: my Nan. And yes we live far apart now and

907
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: she's in Perth, but we try and you know, text

908
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: as much as we can. So my Nan definitely had

909
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 1: a very big impact on my life and who I am.

910
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,280
Speaker 1: And then my mum and dad. Of course they are

911
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: to have you know, when you I guess when you

912
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: ask for unconditional love. Yeah, my parents have definitely given

913
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Speaker 1: me unconditional love from the get go, And I think

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Speaker 1: that is all you ask for as a kid, that

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00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: your parents show up, that they provide you with every opportunity.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I think my mum and dad have definitely, yeah,

917
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Speaker 1: had the biggest influence on me, no doubt.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really special. I am just of the that.

919
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 3: I remember one of your Instagram posts, I think you

920
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 3: talked about two of your goals were to become an Olympian,

921
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Speaker 3: which you did in two thousand and eight. Yeah, and

922
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 3: to start a family.

923
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 3: What has your journey into parenthood been like, because obviously, yeah,

925
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 3: I can see your emotional talking about your parents. What

926
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 3: has it been like becoming a parent and having the

927
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 3: opportunity to do that for your kids?

928
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, I know you can probably relate that being

929
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: a parent is honestly, like, yeah.

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00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 3: That is Oh gosh, I'm just like looking at you.

931
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: Because yeah, there's something. Yeah, like I do anything for

932
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:36,919
Speaker 1: my kids, Like I'll wake up every day, I work

933
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: hard for my kids. Yeah. I love it and I

934
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,760
Speaker 1: love Yeah, I love everything about it. I love watching

935
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: them play sport, I love dropping them to school. I

936
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: love having chats with him in the car. So yeah,

937
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: being a parent. I love being a mum. It's the

938
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: best job in the world, even though it's tricky. But no,

939
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 1: I parenthood is all I ever dreamed of. I always

940
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,919
Speaker 1: wanted to be a and I'm so grateful for three

941
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: healthy kids and all of the memories life is. You know,

942
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Speaker 1: you talk about big moments and winning Grand Slams and that,

943
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: but honestly, life is about the small moments, isn't it.

944
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Speaker 1: It's about, you know, waking up and putting breakfast in

945
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: front of your kids, and you know, so they go

946
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: to school and they've got the uniform on. And for me,

947
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,280
Speaker 1: that's what life is now about. It's about making memories

948
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: and cherishing the time that, yeah, I have with the

949
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: kids until they probably don't want to hang out with me.

950
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Speaker 3: You got to make the most of it.

951
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, but no, I love it. I actually love being

952
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: a mum more than anything in the world.

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00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 3: That's really lovely. I feel like one of my things

954
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,919
Speaker 3: I've realized recently, just just with having Fred, I feel

955
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 3: like we've almost I thought the flight path had moved

956
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 3: right where we live on and all the beaches. I

957
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 3: was like, white men rither my pipe were like, why

958
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 3: are there so many planes now and the flight path

959
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 3: has not changed. But my little boy loves like planes,

960
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 3: anything with wheels, trucks, cars. So every time there's a

961
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 3: plane in the sky, like we will listen out point

962
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 3: up to it, and it's just been like this really

963
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 3: cool moment of being like the planes have always been

964
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 3: flying overhead, but just like being present, yes, like for

965
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 3: the most ridiculous things, but it's been like the most

966
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 3: beautiful thing about the tiniest things that bring them joy. Yeah,

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00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 3: it's like one of my favorite parts of parenthood.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that it happens daily?

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00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 3: Isn't it daily?

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00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: Like where you just like they'll pick a flower and

971
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: they'll give it to you, and you're like, how did

972
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: I not witness that beautifulness of the total is pick

973
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 1: that they do or the things that they're aware of,

974
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: and that it certainly brings you back down to earth

975
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: and puts a lot of things in perspective. Kids are

976
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: pretty good for that, aren't they.

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00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Oh yeah absolutely, yeah. Okay, thank you so

978
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 3: much for your time today and for sharing so openly

979
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 3: your story. It's yeah, it's such a huge honor to

980
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:45,879
Speaker 3: have you here. I've wanted to interview you for such

981
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 3: a long time, so thank you so much. Thanks for

982
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 3: having me.

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Speaker 1: I've loved it.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Chloe, thanks so much for listening. If you got

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