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Speaker 1: Get a I'm Lola Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter,

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Speaker 1: and professional oversharer. This podcast is all about celebrating failure

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Speaker 1: because I believe it's a chance for us to learn,

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Speaker 1: grow and face our blind spots. Each week, I'll interview

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Speaker 1: a different guest about their highs as well as their lows,

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Speaker 1: all in a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail. Hello,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to fearlessly Failing. This episode is a bit

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Speaker 1: of a roundup of the year. The pod this year

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Speaker 1: turned six. We are nearing eight hundred episodes, so I

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Speaker 1: have bought in the big guns. I have bought in

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Speaker 1: Boss aka Matt, my boyfriend, to do a roundup of

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Speaker 1: the year that was. And this podcast this year has

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Speaker 1: been based out of Los Angeles predominantly. So yeah, Boss,

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Speaker 1: jump in, let's let's talk about the year that was.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, thanks for having me back.

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Speaker 1: I was just saying to you, this is the first

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Speaker 1: time you've done a filmed pot Yeah, that's true. It

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Speaker 1: definitely started as an audio.

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Speaker 2: I've taken you six years to invite me on a

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Speaker 2: filmed of course, I feel like you don't want anyone

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Speaker 2: seeing me. That is no or you're behind the scenes.

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Speaker 1: Well, and that is fair. Let's start with that. You

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Speaker 1: do do a lot of the behind the scenes, a

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Speaker 1: lot of the editing as you. I'm kind of in

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Speaker 1: the booking show notes vibes.

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Speaker 2: I love that you say, Oh, you do a lot

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Speaker 2: of it. I do it all. There's no like the music. Yes,

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Speaker 2: you've got all original music, you've got a full time editor,

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Speaker 2: you've got a full time fixer. Yeah, at your disposal

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Speaker 2: so gorgeous as well, thank you. But yes, no, I

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Speaker 2: am very much behind the scenes. You do all the

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Speaker 2: research well.

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Speaker 1: And for people that don't know you're a composer based

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Speaker 1: here in Los Angeles, a lot of Ouzsie work as well,

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Speaker 1: don't you.

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Speaker 2: That is correct.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what's your like Pie in the sky? What would

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Speaker 1: be your dream gig?

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Speaker 2: Oh? How long do we have? No? I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I think. I think, first of all, I think just

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Speaker 2: so lucky to be able to work in like this

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Speaker 2: industry and it is like my only job and using

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Speaker 2: that to get through. But yeah, Pie in the Sky

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Speaker 2: obviously like a movie, feature film, a feature film, I

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Speaker 2: think so. Yeah, I feel like dark or horror for you, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but I do love watching horror.

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Speaker 1: Music is amazing.

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Speaker 2: I think it would have to be something like really dramatic.

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Speaker 2: We are watching what do we Want to Rabbit? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Black Rabbit Terminal is yeah, And I really like the

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Speaker 2: music that was in that, So maybe something in that

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Speaker 1: Genre like action drama.

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Speaker 1: Sakario is our favorite.

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Speaker 2: Zakaria absolutely, And I think I think a lot of

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Speaker 2: people say, you know, they will do some like crazy

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Speaker 2: like I want to do like a Pirate the Caribbean,

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Speaker 2: but like that already exists. Like I want something different,

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Speaker 1: That's what isn't that? John?

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Speaker 2: That's hard? Yeah, you know, but yeah, something myself, Pine Sky,

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Speaker 2: some sort of big dramatic production like that, or a

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Speaker 1: I believe is that?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe in you. So we're we're nearing eight

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Speaker 2: Yep. How does it feel? It feels like I've got

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Speaker 2: a hard drive full of eight hundred episodes taking up space.

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Speaker 1: And this year and last year we've converted a lot

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Speaker 1: doing more video content as well, like so many podcasters

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how do you feel about that?

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Speaker 1: I love it. At the workload literally triples. Yeah, the

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Speaker 1: and obviously one of my dreams is to be a

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Speaker 1: talk show host. So you get to live that your

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Speaker 1: So I did some research for this episode and I

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Speaker 1: roundup Pod turn six. This year there we've covered so

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Speaker 1: much stuff in the year. We've actually covered quite a

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Speaker 1: few natural disasters.

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Speaker 1: The cyclone this year and when we're back to Australia.

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Speaker 1: your sister didn't believe it was a cyclone.

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Speaker 1: Like okay, but I think we've covered a lot of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, New York like yes, every and then obviously Grand

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Speaker 1: Also I did Memphis with Mums, so that was like

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Speaker 1: just like you're sharing your itinery you're sharing what worked,

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Speaker 2: I think people love that stuff because say, like we

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Speaker 2: on like you know, the podcasting and put in Yellowstone

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Speaker 2: and your episode would come up, yeah you know, and

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Speaker 2: it's like then you get like a blow by blow.

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Speaker 1: I find the travel stuff so fun for wonder lusty vibes.

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Speaker 1: Wade and Western Showrunners.

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Speaker 2: You're saying all the things that I was going to

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Speaker 1: Okay, we'll take it away.

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Speaker 2: No, no, well you've done them all now. I was like,

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Speaker 2: that she's probably one of your mosts. When you finish

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Speaker 1: Well, the cool thing about Candis is she's one of

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Speaker 1: Australia's well she's Australia's most celebrated crime fiction author and

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Speaker 1: I think that's what I love about creatives and getting

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Speaker 2: We're kind of cool to see, like the first bunch, like,

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Speaker 1: What else? What else is on your list?

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Speaker 2: What else? Am I to pull my phone out?

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Speaker 2: Do you know what? You've actually pretty much mentioned everything

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Speaker 1: personally send me the zoom link because someone hadn't And

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Speaker 1: I think because she had an Aussie team and American

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Speaker 1: But it ate into our interview time. So what was

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Speaker 2: That's right. And she was very specific too.

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Speaker 1: And which I like. I quite like that and we

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Speaker 1: I find that quite inspiring. But we were also living

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Speaker 2: you know. Or it's a very yeah, or a very

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Speaker 2: specific kind of setup that people know when to expect them.

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Speaker 1: Agreed. We bring out three episodes a week. We have

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Speaker 1: our long form on Monday, which is what this is.

445
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,359
Speaker 1: We have a hot Seat which we're about to record

446
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,439
Speaker 1: off the back of this, which is a Wednesday just

447
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,359
Speaker 1: fun light episode, and then we have a Friday Diary.

448
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,959
Speaker 1: And we did not take breaks over Christmas other than

449
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Speaker 1: those two repurposed episodes.

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Speaker 2: How do we create more work for myself?

451
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Speaker 1: I'm like, it's easy. Another thing we choose to do

452
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:26,680
Speaker 1: with our pod is we don't really edit it that much.

453
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Speaker 2: I don't think I've done a single edit really, And

454
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Speaker 2: how long in forever. Actually, the only edit I did

455
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Speaker 2: in the last maybe like six or nine months was

456
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Speaker 2: Josh where he paused for like just like a smidge

457
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Speaker 2: too long, yeah, And I was like, I took the

458
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Speaker 2: pause out and fine, and that was it. But I

459
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Speaker 2: didn't like edit or cut anything he said.

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Speaker 1: We've had to cut for guests. We've had to cut

461
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Speaker 1: for guests though. Sometimes I guess, well because it's quite

462
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Speaker 1: vulnerable sharing on a podcast, and sometimes I guess will

463
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 1: kind of like share an incredibly personal story and then

464
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Speaker 1: they'll go, do you know what I don't like that

465
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Speaker 1: I did that? Can you pull that out? And usually

466
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Speaker 1: it's such a good story that I'll be like, please,

467
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Speaker 1: can we keep it? And and twice we've been asked

468
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Speaker 1: to pull stuff out and.

469
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Speaker 2: We've done it. That's true and.

470
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Speaker 1: Full respect to the guests. They need to know that

471
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Speaker 1: it's safe and that they can you and me editing

472
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Speaker 1: it and it's safe if they want to pull anything out.

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Speaker 2: Of course.

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Speaker 1: The other thing I think to mention, and I know

475
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Speaker 1: it's kind of taboo to talk about money and finance,

476
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 1: but the podcast can be something that you make money

477
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Speaker 1: off as well from an advertising perspective, so not be

478
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Speaker 1: afraid of, like you know, because you do the ad

479
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Speaker 1: markers every time you do the edit.

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Speaker 2: Y right, Yeah, yeah, we do ad markers. So there's

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Speaker 2: a on the long form interviews, there's a mid roll ad.

482
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Speaker 2: So there's one at the start, one at the end,

483
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Speaker 2: and there's a mid role ad. Yeah, on the on

484
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 2: the short ones, there's no mid mid roll ad, just

485
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Speaker 2: starting end. But as I said, like any commercial podcast,

486
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 2: when you are with a commercial network, whatever it is,

487
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 2: there is always adds.

488
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Speaker 1: And it's a fun way to make revenue that you

489
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Speaker 1: don't really need to. It's quite passive. You don't really

490
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Speaker 1: think about it unless they book you as the like

491
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Speaker 1: as a vo as a host, which we get that

492
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Speaker 1: a couple of times a year as well, which is

493
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Speaker 1: so much fun.

494
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Speaker 2: But yeah, remember it is like there is a business

495
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Speaker 2: aspect to it, and it does all cost money to.

496
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Speaker 1: Produce content and hiring studio.

497
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Speaker 2: Getting my makeup done, getting your hair done. But yeah,

498
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 2: so like, yeah, you got to understand that aspect of it.

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Speaker 1: If you could put it into a nutshell, what advice

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Speaker 1: would you I know we've touched on heaps of but

501
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Speaker 1: if it was just like one tip bit from today,

502
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Speaker 1: what advice would you have for aspiring podcaster.

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Speaker 2: Oh, there's a hard question. My one piece of advice

504
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 2: is that there is no easy option. There is no shortcuts.

505
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 2: Learn every aspect of it. And I'm talking from like

506
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 2: sound editing to video editing. Really yeah, like your own producer,

507
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 2: to be your own producer, you know what I mean.

508
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 2: Like I've like, since we're doing this, like I downloaded

509
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Speaker 2: Da Vinci Resolve and.

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Speaker 1: Now all of us for the listener.

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Speaker 2: It's like a video editing program, but a good one. Yeah, well,

512
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Speaker 2: like they do, Resolve is like a top you know,

513
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 2: film TV. Yeah, it's an editing and coloring, color grading program.

514
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 2: But yeah, there's like a free version of it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And I spoke to, you know, an editor friend of

516
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Speaker 2: mine that uses Resolve, and he's like, yeah, get the

517
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Speaker 2: free version. Learn that and that's what I use and

518
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Speaker 2: that's really Yeah. So the point is is, like with

519
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Speaker 2: editing software, it's either very cheap or you can get

520
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 2: free versions of things, but teach yourself how to do it,

521
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Speaker 2: make it sound good, and or ask someone to teach you,

522
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Speaker 2: you know, like or do a little short course or

523
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Speaker 2: do something. But invest in that. And same with the gear,

524
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 2: Like the gear is not that expensive just to do

525
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Speaker 2: an audio podcast. Spend just do it, don't do a

526
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 2: shitty job. And yeah, so was that what you're asking?

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Speaker 2: What's my advice? Yeah, learn fucking everything on your own

528
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 2: and do it. Yeah, do it right, friend, that doesn't

529
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Speaker 2: I mean if you can get a boyfriend. You know.

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Speaker 2: My favorite part about you is like you're like, oh,

531
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Speaker 2: this is my boyfriend. Here's a composer. And then it's

532
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 2: like Betty also edits my podcast, you.

533
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Speaker 1: Know, so it's like do you like doing it?

534
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 2: Though I don't. I don't like love or hate it.

535
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:52,959
Speaker 2: I think I'm somewhere in between.

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00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so like I enjoy the outcome of it. Sometimes

538
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 2: it's a little bit annoying, like fear or fixing things.

539
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 2: But yeah, overall I've got it down to a pretty

540
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 2: fine art now, to be honest.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, can I say what my advice would be?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I was about to ask sorry straight to the

543
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Speaker 2: camera boss like you.

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Speaker 1: No, my advice would be, and this is going to

545
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Speaker 1: be coming at it more as a creative, but I

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Speaker 1: would say, prepare, prepare, prepare, so that you can There's

547
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: a famous sports commentator in Australia called Bruce mcaveney and

548
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 1: He famously knows everything about everything you can put him

549
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: in like races, footy, cricket. He just knows everything. And

550
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: he famously says, you do all the preparation.

551
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:41,959
Speaker 2: And then you throw it away, throw it away.

552
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: And I like the idea of like having the notes,

553
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,239
Speaker 1: like I always write copius amounts of notes down, but

554
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 1: then and being able to refer back to them, but

555
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: also be able to just go on a tangent with

556
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Speaker 1: the guest and then kind of like draw them back in.

557
00:27:55,160 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 1: So like so I would say preparation and then to

558
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: echo what you said. I think consistency is key if

559
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Speaker 1: you're gonna and I will be really honest, three episodes

560
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 1: a week as a huge commitment. It is, and we

561
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: still stick to because our audience is probably sixty seventy

562
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: percent Australian, so we stick to an Australian timeline. So like,

563
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 1: if I'm doing a Friday diary, we know that has

564
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: to come out by like midnight or midday sorry, on

565
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: a Thursday here in LA and so that means we

566
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: want to record it on a Wednesday. Now, a Friday

567
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: diary is meant to be a week wrapper, so you

568
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: kind of have to maguy for it a little bit

569
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Speaker 1: to kind of like and I would just say, like

570
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Speaker 1: stick to consistency because on the odd occasion when for

571
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: some reason we haven't got a Friday Diary out exactly

572
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: at that time, people will write to me on Instagram

573
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: like a U, Okay, where is it? Because they're subscribed

574
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: so they know if it like it's part of and

575
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: if you're consistent, your podcast will become part of somebody's

576
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: lifestyle and be like an habitual thing.

577
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's like I said, driving to work or

578
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 2: the morning. Yeah something. Can I just add like one

579
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 2: more thing to the advice, like be fucking passionate, Like

580
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 2: do it because you want to do it. Don't do

581
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 2: it because you want to sit and be filmed and

582
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 2: have Instagram content. Like, do it because you actually fucking

583
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 2: want to do it. Yeah, you know, interview, have these conversations,

584
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 2: not for your own personal whatever it is.

585
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: Like, well, I think it's been really clear on like

586
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: the purpose of the pod, Like why does the pod exist?

587
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: Like Felasy failing. Is he to inspire people to go

588
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: out and do that thing they love but it may

589
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: be a bit scared of That's the whole like em

590
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: o of felsly failing. But I think it's been really

591
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: clear on why your pod exists and what you can

592
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: give back to your audience is opposed to look at me,

593
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: I'm fantastic.

594
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 2: And I think it kind of comes back to even

595
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 2: like not bringing it back to myself, but like music

596
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 2: and whatever, like yeah, you don't do it because you

597
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,479
Speaker 2: just want to be famous, like because ninety center it

598
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 2: is shit, the rejection whatever, like you still got it.

599
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 2: You gotta love that part of it, you know. Like

600
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 2: I love podcasting. I don't love the editing all the time,

601
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 2: but I love the process of it.

602
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: And it's fun when an EP comes out and you

603
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: get to see it come to life and you get

604
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: to see it fly and you get to see what

605
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: Like we bought an episode out. We record an episode

606
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: recently about our trip to Wyoming, and the funniest thing

607
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: that we got so much feedback on that I randomly

608
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: the night before research so we shared on that episode

609
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Speaker 1: a five day itinery of Yellowstone of Grand Teton. But

610
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: then the night before because when we were there and

611
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: our lights turned on in the middle of the night,

612
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Speaker 1: and so I researched haunted locations all around where we

613
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Speaker 1: were and that's what people are writing to me about,

614
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 1: so like, don't be afraid of kind of like going

615
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Speaker 1: above and beyond on the research and really like, like

616
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Speaker 1: you said, caring about it.

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Speaker 2: I think as well with the research. Thing is, I

618
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 2: do notice a lot of podcasts when they aren't prepared.

619
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 2: They're using a lot of filler words, so a lot

620
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 2: of the arms that like and it's we all do

621
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 2: it to a certain degree, but you do notice it

622
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 2: when someone doesn't know what they're talking about, or they're underprepared,

623
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 2: or they're trying to find the right words. Yeah. And

624
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 2: I would even say you and I have gotten a

625
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 2: lot better at it in general conversation in our podcasts

626
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 2: that we say less likes and arms.

627
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: The feedback my dad, Noel Smith gave to me when

628
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: we first launched it was stop saying like enough yeah,

629
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, and I went in,

630
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: I think also, you can use fellow words when you're nervous. Yeah,

631
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: And I think I think that now we're so comfortable

632
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: with podcasting, Like I was more nervous about what I

633
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: had to familiar not this this is exciting and fun.

634
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 2: Your dad also told you and stop swearing.

635
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: He did I don't swear too much on the pod, don't.

636
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: So there you have it. If you've got a dream

637
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: for a podcast, go out and do it, but do

638
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: it prepared. And I always say, I, you're going to

639
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: launch a podcast, have six episodes, episodes in the cans,

640
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: so you can do that consistent. Drop on every Monday

641
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: or Wednesday or Friday, whatever you want to bring out

642
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: pods and then yeah, really kind of like let it.

643
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: Let whenever that pod drops, like commit to it, like

644
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: pop it on your in stuff, pop it on your TikTok,

645
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: pop it on YouTube and YouTube shorts. If you have

646
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: a substack, like I release a substack to time in

647
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: with my Friday diary, like make it all work together.

648
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: I always think that's a really good way as well,

649
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: because you're hitting different people have different mediums, Like a

650
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: lot of Americans love to watch a pod, a lot

651
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: of Australians love to listen to a pod. And then

652
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: substack is for people like to read and write, you know,

653
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: like hit all your bases because we all you auditory,

654
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: your visual, everyone's different. You're the best.

655
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 2: You're smart. You're so smart.

656
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: It's very sweet, isn't he? Thank you for jumping on

657
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: the pod and how do you feel.

658
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Speaker 2: Your film podcast? You feel fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you know.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for jumping on, Thank you for watching and for listening.

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Speaker 1: Can you believe the pod is six years old and

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Speaker 1: eight hundred apps? Holy mackerel. I cannot wait to see

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Speaker 1: what comes next for the pod and next year pumped.

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Speaker 1: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always,

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Speaker 1: thank you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation

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Speaker 1: on Instagram. I'm at Yamo Lollerberry. This potty my word

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Speaker 1: for podcast is available on all streaming platforms. I'd love

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Speaker 1: it if you could subscribe, rape and comment and of

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Speaker 1: course spread the love