WEBVTT - The Finisher! Michael Bevan looks back on stellar career 0:00:00.000 --> 0:00:03.079 The Unplayable Podcast is proudly presented by Quantus, the official 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:06.240 podcast partner and the official airline partner of Cricket Australia. 0:00:06.400 --> 0:00:08.600 Once again this season, Quantus is proud to be flying 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:17.640 Australia's cricketers as they take on the world. Hello, well, 0:00:17.680 --> 0:00:20.279 welcome to The Unplayable Podcast. It's been a big week 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:23.239 in cricket. My name is josh Ona Finger, Caine Richardson's 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:25.759 here as always and well we've got a couple of 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:28.280 domestic finals to look forward to now with the Sheffield 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:30.160 Shield and the WNCL final set. 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:32.240 It's coming to the end of the cricket season. 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:34.800 Mate, it is. We've said for a few weeks it's 0:00:34.800 --> 0:00:37.440 a trophy season. We've had one given out in the 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:39.880 past week, have winced into our last pod, so yeah, 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:43.240 that starts to get the flavor of this month going. 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:47.000 So yeah, it's one of those times a year where 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:50.479 most teams are disappointed and probably happy the seasons are finishing, 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:52.839 but also for a couple of lucky teams they've got 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:55.560 something to play for now on this next week. So 0:00:55.680 --> 0:00:57.920 always an exciting time of the year it is. 0:00:57.840 --> 0:01:01.200 And lots of different states represented as well. 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:02.440 This season. 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:04.600 We had obviously New South Wales and Tasmania in that 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:07.400 One Day Cup final which New South Wales one Victoria 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:10.160 South Australia and in the Sheffield Shield Final, and New South 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:14.200 Wales and Queensland in the WNCL finals, so lots to 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:14.720 look forward to. 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:16.400 Will preview those finals as well. 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:19.200 We've also got Michael Bevin an interview coming up with 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:22.160 the great domestic and international cricketer. 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:25.200 He did it all in the Bevo and he's coming 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:25.959 up very shortly. 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:29.640 He did it suits the theme perfectly, Josh. So you 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:31.600 put in these it's no accident when you put these 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:34.959 shows together, the quality of guests, you get to supplement 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:37.440 the topic conversation that we have for the rest of 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:41.800 the program. But do we want a weekly winner. 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:44.279 I think we should get into the weekly We should. 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:48.040 It's one again the category that we're talking about, people 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:50.080 who win. We're talking about trophies, we're talking about winning. 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:53.720 So weekly winner, I'm going to give mine to Greg Shippin, 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:58.360 who's waken up today. As you know, he's no longer 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:00.960 a coach of New South Wales the Sydney Six's. He's 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:03.040 waking up probably feeling pretty good, you know, he's a 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:05.040 free man. He can do whatever he wants today. He 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:09.800 doesn't have to organize a training session or return any 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:11.720 calls to some guys who maybe have him in picked. 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:15.600 So end of his well, I assume he's not going 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:19.520 to coach next season at any I mean he's available. 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:24.120 But what a career tas he for eleven seasons to 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:28.040 begin he went to Victoria, his home state. Four Shefford 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:30.440 Shield titles there, a One Day Cup and four Big 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:34.080 Bash Old Big Bash titles. With Victoria, he goes to 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:36.160 the Way. He's the inaugural coach to the Melbourne Stars. 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:38.960 Unfortunately they've well, no one's managed to win a trophy 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:42.960 for the Modern Stars fortunately unfortunately. And then the Sydney 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:46.840 Sixers for eleven seasons, two trophies. He was an IPL coach, 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:49.520 and then he finishes his career at Cricket New South 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:51.560 Wales with a One Day Cup over I think it 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:55.160 was three or four seasons there, So we're talking he's 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:59.040 well over ten domestic trophies, isn't it for someone of 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:04.079 that that career? So to him weekly win well deserved. 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:07.280 You can have a beer tonight and maybe reflect on 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:09.799 all that success that he's had over the journey, but 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:12.200 also his tentacles as a coach of you know, the 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:14.639 people that have grown up playing under him are now 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:18.639 head coaches themselves. And Andrew McDonald been probably the highest 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:22.200 profile one of those. So whether or not he continues 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:24.919 on as a coach, his proteges are now moving up 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:28.239 through the ranks, aren't they. So his impact on Australian 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:29.080 cricket will live on. 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:32.680 And he went into coaching pretty quickly after his playing 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:35.840 career for Tasmania, believe, similar to Adam Bogis actually, so 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:38.920 maybe we're seeing a bit of a pattern there. And yeah, 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:42.080 Shippy was also involved in I think maybe four losing 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:45.400 Big Bash finals as well, so not far off, you know, 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:48.360 having an even wider trophy cabinet there. 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:50.680 It could have been double almost, which is unheard of. 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:55.280 So yeah, an almost unrivaled coaching career. But as I said, 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:58.360 his legacy will live on through you know, the Andrew 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:01.080 McDonald's cam Whites that's been David Hussey has been a 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:03.640 Big Bash coach over the year, Brad Hodge's coach throughout 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:07.440 the world as well, so that that powerful Victorian team 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:10.720 that he was the mastermind of, you know, you're seeing 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:14.360 that impact of that team and his work kind of 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:19.200 filtering through international but also sorry domestic, but also international cricket. 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:21.040 Now, when you were talking about him having to tell 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:22.520 players they weren't picked. 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:24.800 Were you're referring to yourself at the Sydney sixes or. 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:28.080 No, he didn't need to tell. I actually went to 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:30.479 him and said, just don't even worry about it. I'll 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:32.320 just sit over here in the corner and pretend I'm 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:32.680 not here. 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:33.560 Now. 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:36.000 It's funny you've gone with shupy few weekly winner because 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:39.279 we haven't. We never talked about what each other's weekly 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:42.200 winners are because we like an element of surprise. Yes, 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:44.800 and I've gone with Brad Hadden for this. 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:45.640 OK. 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:49.120 Who's going to replace Greg Schifford as New South Wales coach. 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:52.520 He's been assistant at Punjab and the Ricky Ponting. It's 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:54.520 also did a stint with the sun Rises hydir Bad 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:58.440 and obviously he captain New South Wales and I think 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:01.520 he were in Australia for a couple of games. Lots 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:04.360 of leadership experience. Now gets his first crack as a 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:07.400 head coach. He's going to take over the Blues. No 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:09.760 One elsn't been made so far on the Sixers or 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:12.760 the Thunders of vacancies as well because Trevor Bayless is 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:14.480 no longer coach over there at the Thunder. 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:18.280 But yeah, it's exciting times for New South Wales. 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:21.240 A whole stack of new assistant coaches as well coming in, 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:23.279 so Haddam's really going to get a chance to make 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:25.160 his own mark on this squad. 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:29.080 Well, it is great. You don't typically see those bigger 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:33.480 names that have you know, storied international careers go back 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:37.040 to domestic coaching. It's normally they're looking for the top jobs, 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:40.720 aren't they. So to get him back to domestic ranks 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:44.640 is a great coupe for domestic cricket. I guess you 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:46.680 know you just said Adam Boges his name before, but 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:49.200 he's actually one of those guys who's filtering out of 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:51.560 domestic cricket. Now he'll stay in the Big Bash, but 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:53.960 won't be around the Shield and the One Day Cup. 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:56.120 So he grab someone of Brad Hadden and have him 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:59.000 back around the domestic scenes. Such a big thing for 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:01.520 New South Wales. So yeah, bit of an unknown how 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:03.880 will go? It's one of those things I know, I 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:06.479 know from being a player, your assistant coaches. It looks 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:08.680 like with the best job in the world, your mates 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:10.840 with the players, you've got your batters or your bowlers 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:12.360 that you look after. You don't have to worry about 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:14.719 selection or any of that. When there's tough calls to 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:16.400 be made. You can always just be the guy that 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:18.960 puts your arm around the players. But when you're a 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:21.680 head coach, all of that responsibility all of a sudden 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:24.760 comes with you. So I'm sure he's prepared for all 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:27.600 of those situations, but it is obviously a much more 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:30.600 stressful job than you know, just been the old bowling coach. 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:32.880 You would have played a bit against How didn't I 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:34.760 guess through the Big Bash year's end of his career 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:38.400 started your career. He always looked like a very fiery 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:39.640 individual on the field. 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:40.839 Is that fair to say? 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:45.719 Yeah? Competitive, fiery. I think my first kind of half 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:48.839 a dozen games dozen games for Australe with him keeping 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:50.840 as well, and he was a senior member of the team, 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:54.159 so I remember team meetings vividly. You know, he's input 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:57.520 in those. In those, you know, I was wow, Yeah, 0:06:57.680 --> 0:07:00.440 like how we would talk about the opposition there, wacknesses 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:02.160 and stuff just the depth he would go into it, 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:06.080 so yeah, no doubt he'll bring that to New southwast. 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:08.840 Okay, let's get into this chat with Michael Bevin. I 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:10.960 was able to get on a call with him. It's 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:13.840 during the rain delay, the very long four hour rain 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:17.240 delay before the One Day Cup final last week, so 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:19.960 that's what he's talking about when he's talking about Bludstone 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:23.240 Arena looking very bleak and rainy. But great to chat 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:28.000 with him about the finisher nickname. Lots of amazing finishes 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:30.880 in the One Day Cup and Frustralia, but also taking 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:33.560 a big bag of wickets in a Test match. So 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:35.320 here he is, Michael Bevan, the finisher. 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:39.360 All right. 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:42.800 After last year Henry Thornton won the inallural Michael Bevin 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:46.360 Medal for the best on ground in the men's final 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:49.000 of the One Day Cup. We're now joined by the 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:51.640 man that the medal is named after, Michael Bevan. Welcome 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:53.800 to the Unplayable podcast. How's it all going for you 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:55.240 down there in Tasmania today. 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:59.360 Yeah, thanks for having me on. Unfortunately the news is 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:02.080 not that great from down here. It's been a lot 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:05.120 of rain throughout the course of the day and then 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:09.960 obviously there needs to get underway very shortly otherwise there'll 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:13.200 be no play. Although having just said that, like I'm 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:16.360 looking out at the ground now, obviously got great views 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:19.840 over belly Vole and they're just sort of pulling the 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:25.280 stakes out now and it's very light. So yeah, look, 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:27.880 there is an outside chance that there'll be a game 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:30.320 on tonight if there's no further rain from this point 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:30.800 in time. 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:32.240 Fingers crossed. 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:35.480 Now the One Day Cup Final, it's a game that 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:37.360 you had a lot of success in over the years. 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:42.280 Nine finals you played in, five wins and five hundred 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:45.560 and something runs. Are there any particular finals that stand 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:48.000 out when you cast your mind back to all those 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:48.960 matches that you played in. 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:53.760 Yeah, look, I didn't even I didn't even realize I've 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:57.000 been in that many finals, to be fair, which is 0:08:57.080 --> 0:09:02.360 nice to know or recall, So thanks for that. But yeah, look, 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:04.880 the two that probably stand out for me, I think 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:09.839 there was It was one of the earlier finals that 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:13.160 I was in against Victoria. I'm pretty sure Dean Jones 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:16.960 was around, Baron Berry was keeping. 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:20.320 Flemma was bowling. He was also in the team, and. 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:23.640 Like back then in the One Day competition, there wasn't 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:25.920 a lot of not a lot of people turned up 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:28.400 and on this particular occasion, I think we've got about 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:32.199 twelve thousand to the seg for the one day Fine. 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:35.560 So it was played in front of a such a 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:37.800 really nice atmosphere and. 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:43.720 It went down to the wire and so too close. 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:44.319 Too close. 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:48.120 Again, I tended to play that way and on this 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:50.640 particular occasion, yeah, I think we got home in the 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:52.720 last over or something like that. It was a pretty 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:55.000 low scoring match and a difficult wicket. 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:57.600 And then there was a there was a one day 0:09:57.600 --> 0:09:58.760 final against. 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:03.160 Wa over and Earth in early two thousands or something 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:08.439 like that. Yeah, look to WA we batted you know, 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:10.880 I think we batted second, and you know, there was 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:15.640 we were chasing a big score and I ended up 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:16.520 scoring one hundred. 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:19.360 But I remember there was a little bit. 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:22.440 Of pressure on prior to the match, a lot of 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:25.040 talk that they were going to target me, and so 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:29.240 to get a big score in a you know, particularly 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:31.920 over and perch, which is always a little bit tricky 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:34.840 to play. That was another good memory in terms of 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:38.680 terms of the one day one day final for me, 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:40.439 those two matches probably stand out. 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:42.800 Yeah, Well, I'm glad to mention those because I had 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:45.000 a look at both of those before we came on, 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:48.079 and that one against Victoria, you're only twenty two years old. 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:50.600 Have you scored sixty four not out in that low 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:54.200 in that small chase, as you said, pretty good Victorian 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:57.640 attack there as well. James Sutherland, Tony Dotamaide, Simon O'Donnell, 0:10:57.960 --> 0:11:00.679 and Damian Fleming Bold that last over, he touched on, 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:02.800 do you feel like this innings was a bit of 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:05.679 a maybe a seminal moment for you, a coming of 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:08.520 age as such, or sort of made you establish yourself 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:09.680 on the national stage. 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:10.400 I guess. 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:13.000 So. I mean, you know, you always break it up 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:15.480 into one day game and you know the four day game, 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:18.720 and you know, so i'd sort of announced or arrived 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:23.520 earlier than that for the longer version, you know, and. 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:27.440 From my perspective at least from the one day game. 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:31.240 In tight games, I'd always really had the ability, I think, 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:34.440 to take it down to the wire. And so look, 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:37.840 it might have been for other people or people that 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:42.400 were watching it, but not necessarily for me, I guess. 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:45.080 But yeah, I think that's sort of coincide twenty two 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:48.480 that sort of coincided with a good run I would 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:51.480 have had in twenty twenty one maybe for New South Wales, 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:54.920 and so yeah, I guess it's just those steaks on 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:57.560 top of stakes and as you're establishing yourself as a 0:11:57.559 --> 0:12:01.680 player and obviously game for slightly higher on us. So yeah, 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:04.840 it was obviously a pretty important match from that perspective. 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:08.640 And you said that you generally tended to take it late. 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:12.720 Was that a deliberate tactic by you to take it 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:15.200 to the last over of the match? We always hear 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:18.360 in cricket these days about batting deep and taking it deep. 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:20.400 Was that sort of your philosophy as well in those 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:21.960 high pressure run chases. 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:24.000 Yeah, I think so. 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:26.800 I think one of the reasons for that was because 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:30.440 I like to minimize risk and make sure and just 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:34.520 have certain bowlers to target. And when you sort of 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:36.960 have plans and you have certain bowlers to take it, 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:38.439 you can't really. 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:41.080 Determine when they're going to. 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:43.959 Come on, if that makes sense, And so quite often 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:48.079 those bowlers that you end up targeting, you know, can 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:51.959 quite quite often be towards the end of the innings, 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:55.240 you know, because there's always that sort of match up 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:59.240 between strengths and weaknesses and trying to find bowlers that 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:04.200 make it difficult to score, et cetera, et cetera. So yeah, look, 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:09.280 it always ended up being that way. But I wouldn't 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:14.160 say that I went out with a view to taking 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:18.520 it deep. You know, It's just it's sort of presented 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:22.160 or played out that way, and it seemed natural, normal, 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:28.360 And yeah, it seemed like the appropriate sort of strategy 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:32.199 in most circumstances. 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:36.880 And then you're obviously given the tagline the Finisher. I'm 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:38.800 not sure if you like that tag or you dislike 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:41.280 that tag, but it certainly stuck. And do you remember 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:43.600 when it first did stick and when that sort of 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:44.880 name came about. 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:52.079 Look, it must have been late late nineties, maybe early 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:58.680 two thousands. I think it came from the Indian cricket public, 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:06.960 I think, or maybe the media in India. So yeah, look, 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:11.480 I mean obviously I liked it. I created a sort 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:14.240 of a unique role there, and again it was just 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:16.640 natural to me. I didn't go out to create the role, 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:19.840 but it just happened and I found my spot, and so. 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:22.000 Like, it was good. 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:28.720 It was nice to know that that, you know, I 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:32.840 created something worthy of a tag or something different at least. 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:36.320 But then you know, I look like, if I'm being 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:39.520 really brutally honest, I would say the last couple of 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:42.920 years of my career, you know, it also became a 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:45.400 bit of a burden to bear in the sense that 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:49.400 you know, there's always that pressure to finish the match 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:51.520 and get a result, I guess. 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:53.320 So, yeah, it was. 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:57.240 It was nice, but it came with it with it's yeah, 0:14:57.400 --> 0:14:59.560 the you know, a few tricky. 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:03.640 Moments well just on pressure, because I mean watching back 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:06.320 the highlights now these days, it never looked like you 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:09.680 were under the pump or lost your call in any stage. 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:12.520 Was that just what it looked like from the exterior. 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:15.160 What was actually going on inside? Were you feeling the 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:17.120 heat or were you someone who was when you're in 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:18.800 the moment very cool and calm? 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:23.560 Yeah, look mostly calm until you know, everyone has their 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:26.600 pressure points in terms of run rates. So for me, 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:31.320 you know, it was probably six and over to go 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:35.720 with fifteen, it was probably seven and runs it over 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:40.520 to go with five to ten, And so as soon 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:45.280 as it got to that stage, yeah, I started to think, right, well, okay, 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:46.120 so it's now. 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:49.200 Do or die. You've got to bring it down. 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:51.720 And so I always had those sort of levels in 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:54.560 terms of pressure on the match, like I was either 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:58.520 called in when the team was deep in trouble or 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:02.280 I didn't get a bat, And so when the team's 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:05.800 actually in trouble, like most people are expecting you to 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:08.920 lose the match, there's no real pressure. 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:10.360 You don't put a lot of pressure on. 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:14.360 Yourself because it is a really tricky situation and difficult, 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:16.960 and so quite often I find that I'd go out 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:22.400 into the middle and you know, you know, when we 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:25.400 were struggling and there was no pressure, or at least 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:28.120 I didn't put any pressure on myself, then you know, 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:31.800 you take it a bit deeper, and then I think, 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:34.960 you know, when you were a chance of winning the 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:37.400 match was when I started to get a bit nervous again, 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:39.640 or the nerves would start to creep up again because 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:40.760 you had something to lose. 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:43.760 And so for me, it's sort of ebbed and flowed. 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:46.520 It went from no pressure to okay, we can win 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:49.280 now a little bit of pressure, and then the last 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:51.680 couple of overs are right on dial in on what 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:53.720 I have to do to win the match here, and 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:57.240 so you go back to then focusing on you know 0:16:57.280 --> 0:17:00.440 what it is you have to do, so a bit 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:02.280 a bit of everything at times. 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:03.760 That's fascinating. 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:05.919 Yeah, as you touched on you did certainly cove out 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:07.960 a niche for yourself. But were there any players that 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:10.480 you did sort of model your game on as you 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:11.920 were coming through the ranks? 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:13.600 Not not really. 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:16.080 I mean like I'm down here, you know, for the 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:20.120 Dean Jones Cup to present the Michael Bevan Medal and 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:23.679 you know the guy that you know, I you know, 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:28.360 I guess I thought extremely highly of him one day. 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:30.639 Cricket was Dean Jones at the time in terms of 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:35.440 the way he played, and you know, he was probably 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:39.639 the first Australian player I know was he was at 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:44.520 least one of them too, to change the way it 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:47.600 had been played and to put the pressure back on 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:49.560 the ball. But of course he did it from you 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:53.880 number batting at number three, and so so look. 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:55.719 I've got to be honest, I didn't. 0:17:57.080 --> 0:18:00.600 My role wasn't around when I began my career, Like 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:02.639 no one had played that, and I sort of carved 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:06.040 that out and made it my own and it was different, 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:08.040 it was unique, but it was natural to me. So 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:10.480 I didn't plan on it or I didn't watch other 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:13.239 people thinking right, well, you know, if I played this 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:14.840 way or I do this way, then I'll get a 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:17.560 good result. It was just, you know, it was sort 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:21.920 of analysis, it was feel. It was a combination of, look, 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:27.679 I know what I can do, and you know, in 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:30.440 the past one day cricket, batting at the back end 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:32.720 was a bit of a slog fest, you know, and 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:34.600 it was viewed as that, whereas I was a little 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:36.840 bit more calculating and clinical about it. 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:40.680 And that was just really to do with my personality. 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:42.440 And the other thing that I would also say is 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:50.480 that I got fortunate in the sense that I it 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:53.280 was the role felt natural to me. I felt a 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:57.840 level of responsibility as well. And so when you're in cricket, 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:01.320 you know, when you're looking for batsman and finding where 0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:04.520 they that best, it sort of has to be authentic 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:05.280 andtrinsic to. 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:08.920 How they feel about the role. 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:13.760 And so for me, playing that role felt completely comfortable 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:17.080 knowing that you know, I could win, Like you know, 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:19.000 I was at the pointy end of winning or losing 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:23.440 a match, but of course, you know, all throughout the. 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:25.520 Match, every player had that same opportunity. 0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:28.480 It was just because of that snapshot and moment in 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:32.639 time where it fell down to me. But yeah, so no, 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:36.400 I didn't really, I didn't really have anyone. Of course, 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:40.120 I had heroes and guys I admire, but no one 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:41.320 for that specific role. 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:42.520 If that makes sense. 0:19:42.720 --> 0:19:43.760 Yeah, it does, it does. 0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:47.000 And as you said, you're coming to us from Valery Voval, 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:50.000 where you enjoyed some success of your own, certainly in 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:52.679 the latter part of your career. Looking back at that 0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:55.679 two thousand and four season when you made the move south, 0:19:56.680 --> 0:19:59.640 I mean the runs just flowed in all formats, eight 0:19:59.720 --> 0:20:02.200 cent in the Shield and plenty of runs in the 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:04.480 One Day Cup. Why do you think it clicked for 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:06.119 you when you made the move south? 0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:08.240 You know, I thought it was time for a change, 0:20:08.280 --> 0:20:13.119 and with that a change of approach in terms of playing. 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:16.520 And I think at that point in time, I kind 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:19.399