1 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: Australian Diamond Joe Weston spent her childhood growing up on 2 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: her family's nut farm in regional Victoria, but it was 3 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: a move to Melbourne where she found her love for 4 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: the game of netball and never looked back. It's been 5 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: ten years since she first made her debut for the 6 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: Diamonds and in that time she's helped lead them to 7 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: gold at both the Netball World Cup and Commonwealth Games. 8 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: Off the court, Joe was also president of the Australian 9 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: Netball Players Association and played a major role in negotiating 10 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: the new collective bargaining agreement saw a new revenue sharing 11 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: model directly benefiting the players. Welcome back to the Female 12 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 1: Athlete Project, thanks for joining us. I'm Sophie, the producer 13 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: year at teefapp and this week Chloe caught up with 14 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: Joe in Melbourne as she gears up for her twelfth 15 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: Super Netball season as a Melbourne Vixent. Chloe and Joe 16 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: chat about what it means to be a member of 17 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: a professional team and just how important it is to 18 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,319 Speaker 1: make sure netballers are getting paid for the value they 19 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 1: bring to the game. They also chat about Joe's new 20 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: children's book Netball Besties, which is set to hit the 21 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: shelves on April eighth, but don't worry, you can pre 22 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: order it now. 23 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 2: We hope you enjoyed this episode. 24 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 3: Joe, Welcome to the Female Athlete. 25 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 2: Project, Lowly. Thank you for having me, and thank you 26 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 2: for color coordinating our outfits today. 27 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 3: We are really I'm really glad. I should have got 28 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 3: your t FAP Summit T shirt. But we are on 29 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 3: brand right now. 30 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 2: I know I'll be Are we coming calling for one 31 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 2: of those soon? 32 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 3: Yeah? Well we're Melbourne right now. I should have brought 33 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 3: some merch with me. Sorry, that was poorly done. That's okay, 34 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 3: I'll forgive you. Maybe I'll find a green marker and 35 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 3: write it on myself the diy T FAT Summit. Actually, 36 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 3: you need to come. We're going to do a Melbourne 37 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:44,479 Speaker 3: summit of athletes. You need to come. I'll be that 38 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 3: that shameless promotion actually right there in the piece. 39 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 2: Okay, can't wait, day, I'll beat it. 40 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 3: Super Netball season is here. I know, how are you feeling? 41 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 2: The countdown is on? Yeah, I'm actually really excited this year. 42 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 2: I mean, this is my wealth season now. I think 43 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 2: once you get past double digits, I feel like you're 44 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 2: obligated to stop counting really, But yeah, last year we 45 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 2: lost in the grand finals, so I feel like coming 46 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 2: that close always adds an extra level of motivation. And yeah, 47 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 2: I'm really looking forward to what we can create out 48 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:20,399 Speaker 2: on the court this year. 49 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 3: Is there because I know in AFL there's kind of 50 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 3: I think in Men'swoody there seems to be a real 51 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 3: theme of like you have to lose one to win 52 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 3: one with grand finals. Do you think that applies in netball? 53 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 3: Is there has there been any trends like that? 54 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:36,359 Speaker 2: It is sporting cliche? Yeah, I feel like there is that. 55 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 2: I mean when we won previously in twenty twenty, we 56 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 2: defeated the West Coast fever and then shortly after that 57 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 2: they did win, So I can see that there will 58 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 2: be some sort of learning curve associated with it. But 59 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 2: recently I've played in two losing grand finals, so apparently 60 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 2: we we didn't sorry that this year, I've got a 61 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 2: good feeling. 62 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, cool. I do know that you don't really want 63 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 3: to win the Team Girls Cup. That's curtis that, however, 64 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 3: whichever team has won Team Girls Cup has never won 65 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 3: the Grand Final. Is that what it is? 66 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 2: That's true. Yeah, so we do believe there's some sort 67 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 2: of witchy spell. I mean, I'm not that much into 68 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 2: the wu Wi, although I have been leaning into it 69 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,519 Speaker 2: a bit more recently. We do think that if you 70 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 2: win the Team Girls Cup. Not sure, but the Thunderbeeds 71 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 2: want it, which we're all kind of happy about because 72 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 2: they've been back to back premiers, so we would like 73 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 2: to be trying to not let them have breena row. 74 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. I like that. Okay, let's go, let's take it 75 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 3: all the way back. Tell me about the nut farm. 76 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 2: My family nut farm. Yeah, my dad's family has been 77 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 2: up in Alpine, Victoria for many generations. We're from a 78 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 2: little place called you Robin, which is in between Myrtleford 79 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 2: and Bright and they're quite big regional townships just at 80 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 2: the base of Mount Hotham. So it's beautiful. It's picturesque 81 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 2: up there. You sort of look around and you'll feel 82 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 2: like you're in a postcard all the time. So, yeah, 83 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 2: we have ant fu bit of a hobby farm. We 84 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 2: sell walnuts, asel nuts, and chestnuts. Have you had a 85 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 2: chestnut before? 86 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 3: I don't know if I have. 87 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 2: They're right, they're probably They're not that popular for a reason, 88 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 2: I would say, because she's. 89 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 3: Selling them part chestnuts. I'm not in a rush to 90 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 3: try one. 91 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 2: No, no, no, But I mean nuts are a really 92 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 2: great source of lots of good things for you, so 93 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 2: especially walnuts, good waying food, very healthy snack. So, but 94 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 2: it's probably not what we're here to talk about. Yeah, 95 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 2: When I spent a bit of time up there in 96 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 2: my childhood before I moved to Melbourne, and I still 97 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 2: go up there when I have the spare time. I 98 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 2: just love it. It feels very it feels like a 99 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 2: different side of me, and I really appreciate having the 100 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 2: best of both worlds because I probably got the opportunity 101 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 2: to come to Melbourne a bit earlier and leave in 102 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 2: a metropolitan area, so I didn't have to do the 103 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 2: big commute, which for kids that come from country areas 104 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 2: that's always the biggest challenge if you're trying to pursue 105 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 2: a sporting career or any sort of avenue where you 106 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 2: need to be in Melbourne or Sydney or Canberra, you know, 107 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 2: any of the big smokes. Yes, what were you like 108 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 2: as a little kid. I was very loud. I've got 109 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 2: two older brothers, so I was constantly trying to chase 110 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 2: them around. I had insanely like white blonde hair. It 111 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 2: was like I was reverse aging, like I was a 112 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 2: eighty year old coming on five year olds, because my 113 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 2: hair just looked like it was, you know, luminescent. 114 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 3: Cool. 115 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 2: But I always had lots of energy and I love 116 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 2: trying new things. And when I was younger, especially, I 117 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 2: did lots of dance lessons. So I was a bit 118 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 2: of that kid that would be putting their hand up 119 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 2: to get involved in any sort of performance during school. 120 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 2: So I've let that go a little bit now. 121 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 3: Okay, And where did you find a love for sport? 122 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 2: Oh? I think I was competitive because when you have 123 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 2: older siblings, you're always trying to keep up with them, 124 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 2: especially boys. They're bigger and stronger by biological nature. So 125 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 2: I was always kind of chasing around and wanting to 126 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 2: fit in. So I feel like I was always competitive. 127 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 2: I liked, you know, trying new things and trying to 128 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 2: be good at them. It definitely was. Tennis was probably 129 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 2: my first love. My grandma and I played a lot 130 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 2: and I loved I've been an Australian Open fan since 131 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 2: we found my cleaning out our family house. At the 132 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 2: moment I found all this old memorabilia, Like I was 133 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 2: the kid that had the huge tennis ball that I 134 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 2: would tode around all day at the practice court, and 135 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 2: then as soon as the game would finish, I'll be 136 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 2: like running down the stairs and holding it over the 137 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 2: edge trying to get some signatches. Like I remember I 138 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 2: met Serena Williams once and I was just starstruck. 139 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 3: I'm jealous. 140 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 2: Yes, So tennis was probably my first love sport and 141 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 2: I played it because my grandma did. And then when 142 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 2: I moved schools, I joined the Nepal team kind of 143 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 2: as a way to make new friends, and I just 144 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 2: I loved it. I think going from being more of 145 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 2: an in an individual sport to a team sport and 146 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 2: one that's mainly female based, it just I really loved 147 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 2: it and I still love it now, which is so cool. 148 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 2: Makes me feel incredibly lucky. 149 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 3: And so that moved to the Big Smoke. As you described, 150 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 3: it was that for sport reasons. 151 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 2: No, it was really for family reasons and for education, 152 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 2: Like my brothers were going into their later years of school, 153 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 2: so it made sense. And my mum's family is from Melbourne, 154 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 2: so we have a lot of community based down here. 155 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 2: So it sort of made sense at the time for 156 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 2: us all to come down And yeah, I feel like 157 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 2: a lot of people probably have to sacrifice for that opportunity, 158 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 2: whereas for us it sort of naturally happened. 159 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, right, How did it go from finding netball and 160 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,559 Speaker 3: trying it to getting to a point where you thought 161 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 3: that one day it might be your career for twelve 162 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 3: plus seasons. 163 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 2: It's sort of crazy because I did used to watch 164 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 2: netball on the ABC and I would kind of go 165 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 2: to the old Commonwealth Bank Trophy games in Melbourne, like 166 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 2: my mom would take me along. Yeah, and I think 167 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 2: I must have been maybe twelve or thirteen at that age. 168 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 2: And then as I sort of became a proper teenager, 169 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 2: I was still playing netball and I had a significant grossert, 170 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 2: which is sort of important in the sphere of netball. 171 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 2: Six foot is an advantage. Yes, it is bringing up 172 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 2: the average heide in my friendship group, that's for sure. 173 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 2: And I was just playing sort of regular like sort 174 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 2: of state league netball, and I just had a coach 175 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 2: that was really amazing and she really facilitated and sort 176 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 2: of I think saw a lot of potential in me 177 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 2: and helped harness that because I always probably was very 178 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 2: naturally athletic, but I probably wasn't very skilled, which are 179 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 2: two very different things. Is only so long that like 180 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 2: your athletic ability can compensate for you know, not being 181 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 2: able to catch and throw. 182 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 3: Probably they're important skills in the ball in. 183 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 2: Most sports actually, So it was sort of my later 184 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 2: years of high school. I was playing state representative netball 185 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 2: and I was sort of in this National Talent ID program. 186 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 2: And then when I finish year twelve, I got the 187 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 2: opportunity to move to the AIS in Canberra. So I 188 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 2: moved to the big smoke in Camera definitely not and 189 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 2: once I was there, it sort of opened up this 190 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 2: whole world which I sort of hadn't been privy to. 191 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 2: I hadn't been really serious about pursuing like academics school 192 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 2: and where I went where I attended in Melbourne, it 193 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 2: was a great school, but it was not that sports based, right, 194 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 2: So yeah, I was sort of that that really kicked 195 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 2: it off and moved to Camber and it's sort of 196 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 2: I saw girls whilst I was there moving to the 197 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 2: Swifts or moving to the Firebirds, and I thought, maybe 198 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 2: that's something that could be on the card to me. 199 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:29,839 Speaker 2: Now I'm here and I'm still here. 200 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 3: Sorry, there you are. I want to talk about that Grossbert, 201 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 3: And I'm always so curious in sport kind of that 202 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 3: balance between like like you touched on, like the athleticism 203 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 3: and skill and then certain factors that give you natural 204 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 3: opportunity in a way, like, how do you perceive the 205 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 3: way that that has balanced out for you when you 206 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 3: kind of had that grosspert, Were you already going well 207 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 3: and then you had your gross Burt and then suddenly 208 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 3: you had a point of difference. 209 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was the point of difference. I 210 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 2: was probably already really enjoying the sport, and I think 211 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 2: for me it was pursuing other things alongside netball, Like 212 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 2: I did dance lessons all the way through high school, 213 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 2: which probably seems a bit bizarre when you look back 214 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 2: at it, But I do believe that having that sort 215 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 2: of feedback when you're looking at yourself in the mirror 216 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 2: helped my level of coordination because I am like a 217 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 2: little bit like a baby duff. I'm all limbs, no 218 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 2: Torso everyone always gets surprised when they see me sitting 219 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 2: down and then suddenly I stand up and you can 220 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 2: see their eyes wide and they go, oh, I didn't 221 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 2: see that one coming. So I feel like it was 222 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 2: that plus the high in terms of and it sort 223 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 2: of does take time. You see it all the time, 224 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 2: probably in more high profile sports like AFL. You see 225 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 2: those really tall young players come in and it really 226 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 2: does take time for them to build up I guess 227 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,079 Speaker 2: a level of muscle mass, but then also the coordination 228 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 2: and control, and I do believe like pilates or even dancing, 229 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 2: where you get you look at yourself in the mirror, 230 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 2: which is odd that you get the opportunity to posture 231 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 2: correct or course correct. 232 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like because you get a lot of feedback 233 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 3: in sport right from coaches and when you watch video 234 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 3: and things like that, but that's almost like real time 235 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 3: feedback all the time. 236 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 2: And it's also independent of an external source, yes, which 237 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 2: is kind of odd when you think about It's like 238 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 2: when and we're probably not meant to be perceived as 239 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 2: much as we currently are with all of the cameras 240 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 2: and all of the phones, But it really is about 241 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 2: kind of impacts I guess how you carry yourself in 242 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 2: the day to day world too, So I feel like 243 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 2: I'm very lucky also help my footwork, not tripping overmon 244 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 2: feed I've got size ten feet, so they're reasonable sized 245 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 2: for my time, but getting them in the right place 246 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 2: at the right time, that's also a skill. 247 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:39,319 Speaker 3: Are you feeling well at it now though? Getting I 248 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:48,079 Speaker 3: don't know, feedback, I'm elite. I'm elite at nomal feedback definitely, 249 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 3: definitely not. So you get to the AIS and you're 250 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 3: still quite young, how does it feel walking into a 251 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 3: really professional elite or sorry I shouldn't say professional, but 252 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 3: a really elite environment as a young person, How are 253 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 3: you as an athlete at that point in time in 254 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 3: terms of your mindset? 255 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 2: I think I was just open to all sorts of growth, 256 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:10,839 Speaker 2: and I probably it was a bit of a steep 257 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 2: learning curve for me. I think having a lot of feedback. 258 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 2: I probably had had a lot of immediate success because 259 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 2: I was tall and naturally athletic, and once you sort 260 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 2: of get to a level where all the other people 261 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 2: up for selection have the same level, but then they're 262 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 2: also incredibly skilled. For me, it was really trying to 263 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 2: expedite that learning. And I'm very grateful for the time 264 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 2: I had at the AIS because it gives you that 265 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 2: opportunity to just train day in day out, which I 266 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 2: really needed because when I was playing here in Victoria, 267 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 2: I was sort of It wasn't that I wasn't taking 268 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 2: it that seriously, but I think the quality of the 269 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,439 Speaker 2: training has progressed dramatically even over the last ten years. 270 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 2: So that sort of intensive period where we were training 271 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 2: pretty much every single day, I was honing those skills, 272 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 2: doing them ten hours and hours or whatever it is 273 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 2: to try and master. I feel like that's really helped 274 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 2: me now and I probably wouldn't be the position I 275 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 2: was at that I am now if I didn't have that. 276 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 2: And it was also really fun. You met people from 277 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 2: all over Australia, all different sports. It gave you a 278 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 2: really great insight until you know what professional swimmers do 279 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 2: or what the track and field athletes do. So it 280 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 2: was also just really incredible to see all of that 281 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,439 Speaker 2: and then go and watch them perform at the Olympics. 282 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 2: So it was so odd you'd see someone in the 283 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 2: dining hall and then three weeks later they'd be performing 284 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 2: on this huge international stage. 285 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 3: That's very cool cool. What is your approach to taking 286 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 3: on feedback. 287 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 2: My approach, I mean, I'm always been one to listen 288 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 2: first I think initially, when I was younger, I was 289 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 2: probably a bit defensive, definitely more ego driven. I think 290 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 2: we all are to a degree, but I think it 291 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 2: helps having a sense of confidence. That's I feel like 292 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 2: you have to find a happy medium where I think 293 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,199 Speaker 2: if you take on too much feedback, you almost start 294 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 2: to question your own ability. So I've probably come from 295 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 2: the headstrong end and I've had to had that to 296 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 2: have that, I guess not eroded, but you know, adjusted 297 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 2: slightly to a bit of a middle ground where I 298 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:14,319 Speaker 2: can take on feedback also try and seek it out, 299 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 2: but at the same time be reassured that I know 300 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 2: what my strengths are and I know the value that 301 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 2: I bring on and off the court, which I think 302 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 2: hopefully makes me a good teammate and a coachable athlete. 303 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 2: But I'm definitely not a suck up to the coaches. 304 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 2: So I'd just like to clarify definitely not every Ada Victim's. 305 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 2: We have awards night every year, and there we have 306 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 2: the MVP, the Most Valuable Player, and we have a 307 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 2: Coach's Award. And it's twelve seasons yet and I still 308 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 2: have a one one savage. 309 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 3: Savage, are you going to change the change of course 310 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 3: there no. 311 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 2: I refuse. I refuse to change who I am for 312 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 2: the sake of the Coaches Award. I like that the instance, 313 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 2: and also even if I did that, I probably wouldn't 314 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 2: win it. 315 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so true, they'd right through the Well. 316 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 2: I've had the same coach the entire time I've been 317 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 2: at the Vixens, so and that also was an interesting 318 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 2: transition when at the Diamonds we changed coaches, because I 319 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 2: feel like it's very rare that you go through your 320 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 2: entire even work career having the same manager. So having 321 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 2: a different coach come through at a national level, that 322 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,119 Speaker 2: was a really interesting experience for me as an athlete. 323 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 3: I would like to touch on the Diamonds first call 324 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 3: up in twenty fifteen. Yeah, how did it feel being 325 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 3: named in the squad for the first time? 326 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 2: It was I was talking to some of the girls 327 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 2: about it the other day and it was almost crazy 328 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 2: because I only debuted for the Vixens in twenty fourteen 329 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 2: and I barely played like I stepped on the court 330 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 2: I think once at Bianca Chatfield, who was the captain 331 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 2: and one of the best defenders of all time, like 332 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 2: she was in the team and then the next year 333 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 2: she was obviously retiring, so they sort of phased me 334 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 2: in as the next defender to fit her pillow very 335 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 2: big shoes, and I'd been playing in the underage program 336 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 2: and then suddenly after the Nepple World Cup in twenty 337 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 2: five they just had this mass exodus of defenders. I 338 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 2: had people that were retiring, maybe to have children or 339 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 2: they were injured, So I just I was a significant 340 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 2: age gap. But I almost, like I said, I didn't 341 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 2: I didn't Stephen Bradbury my way into the team, and 342 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 2: Lisa the coach, like, I'm incredibly grateful for her for 343 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 2: taking I guess a risk on me as a young athlete, 344 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 2: but yeah, I just sort of like got put in 345 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 2: because they needed defenders and at the time I probably 346 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 2: was just in the next rung down of emerging athletes. 347 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 2: And after that I did debut in twenty fifteen. Then 348 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 2: I think I sat on the bench for like the 349 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 2: next two or three years within the Diamond squad. So 350 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 2: it was sort of a really quick rise to the top. 351 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 2: And then from there it was you know, trying to 352 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 2: you know, relearn what it means to have success in 353 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 2: a team environment, because obviously I'm sure you felt this, 354 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 2: and I know rugby and AFL there's a lot more rotation, 355 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 2: but netball's it's not dissimilar to basketball, but like a 356 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 2: lot of the time, you might be named in the 357 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 2: team and you might not step out on court the 358 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 2: entire match, which is kind of an interesting dichotomy in 359 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 2: a situation to be in because you know, you really 360 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 2: want to contribute, and the essence of how you do 361 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 2: that is really if you're performing in the match versus 362 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 2: a training environment. So yeah, it's a it's a really 363 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 2: interesting cultural environment I think to be into. 364 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 3: My early career was in basketball in the WNBL and 365 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 3: I was full bench warmer for two straight seasons and 366 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 3: it's it's brutal. Like I when I talk about it 367 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 3: an hour, I often like joke about the fact that 368 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 3: I was warming the bench and I literally I would 369 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:37,880 Speaker 3: try and like break my own record for how many 370 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 3: high fives I could give my teammates. 371 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 2: My other furnace of human connection Steve Nash style. You 372 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 2: know that one. 373 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:47,400 Speaker 3: No, does Steve Nash say that the furnace of human connection? 374 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 3: I like it. No, he was deemed that because he 375 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,919 Speaker 3: was deemed that. Yes, Okay, well, because I was I 376 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 3: was comparing to Patty Mills. Oh yes, Patty Mills was 377 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 3: a good tower waiver back in the day. Steve Nash, 378 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 3: I like that. I like that comparison the furnace. 379 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 2: I know some of my friends I used to come 380 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 2: and they'd come to the Vixens games and they'd come 381 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 2: and just watch the warm up because they'd be like, well, 382 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 2: Joe's going to be on the court. No, they'd stay 383 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 2: for most of the game, but they make sure that 384 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 2: they were there for the warm up. 385 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 3: Great friends. 386 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're really good. I've had so many people that 387 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 2: have supported me from when I was like at UNIK 388 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 2: because when I first started for the Vixens and I 389 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 2: came back to Melbourne, I would just play on the 390 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 2: weekends and I just went to UNI like a regular person. 391 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 2: And now I feel like it's kind of a whole 392 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 2: different world, and it's really nice to be able to 393 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 2: bring new people in but then also still share that 394 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 2: with the people that have been there the whole time. 395 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. I really like that. Sticking on that sitting on 396 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 3: the bench scene, so you kind of rose to the 397 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 3: top and then it probably taught you some serious lessons 398 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 3: around patience and humility and how you can still contribute 399 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 3: without actually being on the court. 400 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 2: Definitely patients. I think I'm naturally a really impatient person. 401 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,199 Speaker 2: It always kind of surprises people when they learn that 402 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 2: about me, because I've probably give off the air that 403 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 2: I'm quite organized and all calm and collected, which I am. 404 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:07,959 Speaker 2: But it's something I actively have to work towards versus 405 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 2: at being a natural like I'm a very kind of 406 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 2: like I want to do five things right now. 407 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 3: Yes, you do have the air being quite calm, but 408 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 3: is it not like that in your brain? 409 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 2: Not Sometimes it is, but I think for the day today, 410 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 2: and I think it just comes down to being like 411 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 2: inherently so competitive. Yes, And for me, I've always been 412 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 2: someone that sort of values like work to reward. I 413 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 2: think I learned that, you know, like I see my 414 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 2: dad working on our farm, Like the more you put 415 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 2: in really the more you get out. Obviously, it's very 416 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 2: can be subjective to you know, external events like weather, 417 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 2: and I feel like I've kind of tried to rationalize 418 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 2: the same thing when you're in the sporting environment, because 419 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 2: sometimes you could be doing all the work and you 420 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 2: feel like you're putting yourself in the best place possible. 421 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 2: But I think team sport in particular can be very 422 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 2: subjective versus you know, running a certain time or swimming 423 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 2: in a certain event where it's very black and white, 424 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 2: which is an ughly you do have to learn and 425 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 2: to try and tolerate those different shades of gray. And 426 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 2: then also you can see like oursers very position based, yes, 427 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 2: and it's you're less likely to go from attack to 428 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 2: defense like you would potentially be in a footy team, 429 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 2: so you know, if there's a shooter that might get injured, 430 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 2: and then you know someone I've been sitting on the 431 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 2: bench with this whole season. Now they're on the court 432 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 2: and I'm still sort of sitting here trying to be patient, 433 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 2: you know, wait for an opportunity. And I just think 434 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 2: it's a great learning because I mean, I think everyone 435 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 2: is a bit leaning more towards instant gratification in our 436 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:37,679 Speaker 2: current world, so I feel like having a growth area 437 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 2: or a real life experience, that's the best thing about sport. 438 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 2: It gives you like practical learning experience, Like day to day, 439 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 2: every day you're doing something different. You can read something 440 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 2: and feel like, oh okay, Like I'm always in situations 441 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 2: where they're you know, testing my communication skills or my 442 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 2: emotional regulations regulation skills, especially me when it comes to 443 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 2: not arguing with the umpires. 444 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 3: I like that you're throwing your self phone faster. I'm aware. 445 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 3: I mean it's a good skill. It's a good skill. 446 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 3: You're sitting on the bench for the diamonds. What do 447 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 3: you do to get yourself on the court. 448 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 2: Oh? I feel like I had tried to level up 449 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 2: parts of my game, Like I really honed my ability 450 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 2: to be a better attacking player on the court. Obviously, 451 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 2: defense is where I sit naturally, and I love it. 452 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 2: It's more fun. You get to be instinctive, read the play, 453 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 2: try and out smart your opponents. But my I'd like 454 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 2: I still remember like one of my like junior coaches 455 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 2: always used to say that I was just having a 456 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 2: null impact on the court because because of every intercept 457 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 2: I would get, I would just toss the ball straight back. 458 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 3: To the opponent. 459 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 2: Right, Okay, She's like, we need you to have a 460 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 2: positive impact on the court. And I feel like in 461 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 2: terms of you know, looking at statistics and you know, 462 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 2: all that sort of stuff, So definitely that I tried 463 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 2: to work on. I feel like just becoming you know, 464 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 2: physically stronger, you know, athletically more robust in terms of 465 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,360 Speaker 2: just having the ability to sustain a work rate over 466 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 2: an entire period of NELE and international network. We don't 467 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 2: have timeouts as well, so you sort of like you're 468 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,360 Speaker 2: out there, Oh you're running for fifteen minutes, and there's 469 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 2: no real break in play, so you know, just trying 470 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 2: to back it up quarter after quarter. Her and it 471 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 2: probably was just opportunity in terms of player turnover. And 472 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 2: then I finally sort of I was working almost alongside April, 473 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 2: who's one of the most beautiful people I've ever met 474 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 2: in netball, and her and I kind of shared the 475 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 2: gold Offence BIB for a lot of I guess the 476 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 2: last major tournaments I played in, not the recent ones, 477 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 2: but the ones back in like the twenty eighteen Con games, 478 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 2: Like her and I would just kind of play half 479 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 2: and half, and we both really enjoyed that. It was 480 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 2: sort of an odd thing where I think when you 481 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 2: get to a level of respect for each other that 482 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 2: sometimes she would start, sometimes I would start, and if 483 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 2: she was playing really well, I was like, oh, yeah, 484 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 2: she'll stay out there. It's cool with me, Like she's 485 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,640 Speaker 2: having an amazing game, like I'm not going to try 486 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 2: and go on at halftime and steal her thunder and 487 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 2: try and one up her. And I think we kind 488 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 2: of had that natural connection and I just felt like 489 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 2: that was probably one of the best experiences I had, 490 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 2: even though he didn't win those tournaments, but being able 491 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 2: to share that and experience it with the and have 492 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 2: I guess, that level of camaraderie, which you really you 493 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 2: try and manifest that, like you try and get on 494 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 2: in a team where you want this shared load, and 495 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 2: sometimes like teams try and manufacture it by swapping players 496 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 2: in and out too much because they want everyone to 497 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 2: feel valued and they want everyone to feel a part 498 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 2: of it. But at the same time, you don't just 499 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 2: want to be given court time because you know the 500 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 2: coach feels like they have to tick a box. 501 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 3: Why did you feel comfortable with that? Because I imagine 502 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 3: there'd be a lot of athletes in that situation who 503 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 3: might say, in order to say the right thing, yes, 504 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 3: I was really happy for that person to take my spot, 505 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 3: but they wouldn't genuinely mean it, like was it about 506 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 3: for you? Was it about the team success? Like how 507 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 3: did you feel content with that? 508 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 2: I think it was a team success. But I also 509 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 2: just think it was because April is the most beautiful person. 510 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 2: Like she is a competitive beast, but off the court 511 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 2: is almost like quite spiritual. 512 00:23:58,920 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 3: Mm hmm. 513 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 2: So her and I kind of like Adam and Eve. 514 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,199 Speaker 2: I feel like if it was me and me together, 515 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 2: it definitely probably would be nightmare. But yeah, I think 516 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 2: it was just her, her aura. I don't know, there 517 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 2: was something about her I feel like, and that we 518 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 2: just and we almost looked like sisters. Like she also 519 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,479 Speaker 2: had blonde hair. I was like, I just I don't know, 520 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 2: it was it was really lovely. 521 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 3: I like that. I like that. I want to chat 522 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 3: about your work with the Australian Level Players Association. So 523 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 3: you are the president. 524 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:32,199 Speaker 2: I am, Yes, I am the president. I have been 525 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 2: running on a post and I don't know if it's 526 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 2: because I, you know, I'm running a dictatorship. Oh maybe 527 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 2: maybe I am really passionate about it though, So I 528 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 2: feel like everyone sort of feels eventually I will step down, 529 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 2: probably soon, given that I'm in my twelfth year of 530 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 2: playing elite level netball, but it's probably where I feel 531 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 2: like I can contribute in a leadership capacity off the court, 532 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 2: given my skill set when I was at UNI the 533 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 2: first time, and then when I worked in a normal 534 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 2: job in inverted comments and normal. 535 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 3: Job, can you touch on the union and job skill 536 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 3: sets that have helped you? 537 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 2: Yeah? So fresh. When I came back from Canberra, I 538 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,360 Speaker 2: completed a Bachelor of Commerce at Melbourne UNI, and then 539 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,439 Speaker 2: after that I joined the graduate program at Deloitte in 540 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 2: their Business Advisory Service division and I worked there for 541 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 2: three years. All up it was and it was four 542 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 2: days a week and then sort but surely it was 543 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 2: more and more part time as the I guess they 544 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 2: needed us more at trading, like our support has become 545 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 2: more and more professional as I've sort of been a 546 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 2: part of it, which has been why I've been so passionate. 547 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 2: I feel like about really trying to advocate for player 548 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 2: value and feel like if I have I've got like 549 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 2: a you know, I've got a pretty inner workings of 550 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 2: how small businesses and nonprofits work from my corporate experience. 551 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 2: So I think having that baseline finance understanding gives you 552 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 2: more of an avenue to have conversations which actually look 553 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 2: at the numbers critically and you know, value where players 554 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 2: can fit into that. 555 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, And so how does the Neble Players Association 556 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 3: work for someone who might have no idea about sport. 557 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 2: We're a little less developed than the AFL a PA 558 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 2: and probably like the ACA and that you see in 559 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,360 Speaker 2: the paper day to day, but we're trying to get 560 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,919 Speaker 2: there eventually. We just have a much smaller base of plays. 561 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,679 Speaker 2: You know, there's only eighty players at play that are contracted. 562 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:28,439 Speaker 3: Yes, I think we're up to five forty. It is 563 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 3: to clubs. 564 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 2: Crazy, So in terms of that, it means we probably 565 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 2: don't need to be as largely resourced. But it also 566 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 2: means that we probably just don't have the financial means 567 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 2: because you know, a lot of the time player associations 568 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 2: are funded by player contributions, but also like assets that 569 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 2: come from the broadcast deals or the media rights. But 570 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 2: the way I think to simplify it is it's sort 571 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 2: of like any other union that people might be a 572 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,360 Speaker 2: part of, whether you're a teacher or a police officer. 573 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 2: So it looks at enterbrah enterprise bargaining agreements, and for us, 574 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 2: it's a collective player agreement and that sort of stipulates 575 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 2: you know, the base wage, the minimum standards, and sort 576 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 2: of like writes every single thing that you can probably 577 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,239 Speaker 2: imagine is in those contracts. So whether it's about the 578 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 2: amount of events you're meant to do, the amount of 579 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 2: training you meant to do. And I think especially for 580 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 2: sports like AFLW and netpule which kind of sit in 581 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 2: that semi professional realm, a very gray area, but I 582 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 2: think having everything that contractually obligated to do detailed is 583 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:29,880 Speaker 2: really important. 584 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 3: Can we go back to twenty twenty three where there 585 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,640 Speaker 3: was a lot, Yeah, a lot, lot was going on 586 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 3: and you were at the center of a lot of 587 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 3: those conversations. Can you give a brief review for people 588 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 3: who might not have seen all of the media articles 589 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 3: and all of this discussion around at what was actually 590 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 3: going on at that point in time. 591 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think what was probably one of the biggest 592 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,159 Speaker 2: sticking points is how drawn out a lot of the 593 00:27:55,200 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 2: processes have been. Obviously, Nepal is a much smaller sport 594 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,360 Speaker 2: than some of the big players in especially Melbourne's sporting landscape, 595 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 2: so that means things just take a little bit longer. 596 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 2: We're less resourced in that regard, so we'd sort of 597 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 2: been going backwards and forwards between our collective bargaining agreement. Obviously, 598 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 2: you have negotiations, you come to the table with ideally 599 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 2: what you'd want and then you end up compromising on 600 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 2: some things. But we ended up just ended in this 601 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 2: like really drawn out period and for us, having some 602 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 2: sort of player generated revenue was really important a lot, 603 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 2: like pretty much every other sport across Australia has it. 604 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,439 Speaker 2: And for that it's looking at anything that the players 605 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 2: contribute to. So whether it's tickets, merchandise, the broadcast, a 606 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 2: percentage of that ends up coming into the total player 607 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 2: payment pool. So it's no different too if you're a 608 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 2: CEO or an executive or another business being incentivized to perform. Well, 609 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 2: if I'm going to promote you know, our netball game 610 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 2: on social media and some more tickets or some more merchandise, 611 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 2: I think it's only fair that players should receive a 612 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 2: portion of their contribution for that. And unfortunately, like with 613 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 2: the executive team, they just were really not budging on that, 614 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,479 Speaker 2: which I can understand, you know, like it's always going 615 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 2: to be give and take and taking a big step 616 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 2: like that sort of opens you up to you know, 617 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 2: we're eating into their profit margin. I guess as a business, 618 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 2: if they're having to allow portion of that to go 619 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 2: to the players that are generating that revenue. But it 620 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 2: was just we had, you know, a different value set 621 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 2: in terms of where the executive saw where the player 622 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 2: is sad and it was really challenging, I feel like, 623 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 2: but hopefully in the end we managed to achieve some 624 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 2: of what we are looking at. Obviously we're going to 625 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 2: continue to keep pushing, but I hope it just sort 626 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 2: of and it ended up. I ended up crying on 627 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 2: national TV, which I probably wouldn't recommend if anyone wanted 628 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 2: to tick that one off their bucket list. Sorry, I've 629 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 2: obviously using humor to deflect. 630 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,239 Speaker 3: It was a really powerful moment though, well. 631 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 2: I think it just was a testament to how emotional 632 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 2: and how fatiguing the whole situation had been. And I 633 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 2: just felt like it was like, I feel like it's 634 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 2: different for someone like me that probably has been a 635 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 2: bit more perhaps financially buoyant throughout their playing career, or 636 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 2: I have other avenues to earn income from, but you know, 637 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 2: it was pretty disrespectful for some of these young kids 638 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 2: that move into state, like we were just talking about 639 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 2: for not a lot of money, to then suddenly be like, well, 640 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 2: you're just not getting paid because we can't come to 641 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 2: an agreement. And like the thing we were really like 642 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 2: stuck on was how much value the players were bringing 643 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 2: to the game, And for me, it just felt like 644 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 2: it was like very aligned with how I feel about 645 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 2: my values. You know how we're saying like work v 646 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 2: reward earlier, Like that's just something I feel like I've 647 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 2: just had instilled in me from when I was younger. 648 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 2: And the reward doesn't necessarily have to be as large 649 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 2: or what you think it might have been, but in 650 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 2: terms of how much we were contributing to the game, 651 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 2: it was really also setting us up going for because 652 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 2: if you look at all other like it's a competitive 653 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 2: landscape for female athletes in Australia at the moment, So 654 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 2: you know, whether it's AFL or rugby or cricket or soccer, 655 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 2: there's a lot of you know, there's a lot of 656 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 2: choice out there now and I think if Neppa wants 657 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 2: to remain the favorable choice in team sports, it's not 658 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 2: just about being the sport that you love, but it's 659 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 2: about having working conditions which are like the benefit athletes 660 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 2: because other people will look at the sport and they'll say, well, 661 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 2: if I go and play AFL, I can get you know, X, 662 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 2: Y and Z because they've got you know, they value 663 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 2: the players in that way and they see their contribution 664 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 2: to the game. So it's sort of multi factor as 665 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 2: to why it was so important, and I'm really hopeful 666 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 2: that it can continue to push our sport, for that's 667 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 2: all we really want. And no one wants to see 668 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 2: infighting on the media. It's not a good look for 669 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 2: anyone or for players, do you know. And everyone loves 670 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,719 Speaker 2: to look at athletes and they think, which we do, 671 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 2: We've got a pretty good but they're like, oh, they're 672 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 2: always complaining about this or winging about that. And I 673 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 2: think it's just because if you're an athlete, yeah, I 674 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 2: guess you're in this place where it's a position where 675 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 2: lots of people want to be, so you feel like 676 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 2: if you get there, you kind of almost can't complain 677 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 2: because you know everyone wants to be there, so it 678 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 2: must be amazing, which it is. 679 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 3: It's a really tricky balance because it is. It's an 680 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 3: amazing life being a professional athlete, right, But I think 681 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 3: sometimes this view that people have of it being this 682 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 3: amazing life is probably a reflection of looking at a 683 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 3: men's average salary in some of those leagues, right, like, 684 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 3: it's not an amazing life. We were chatting off air 685 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 3: that the Tier four salary favor of w' is maybe 686 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 3: around sixty grand, which for sport is like, oh okay, 687 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 3: that's not too bad to get sixty grand to play footy. 688 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 3: But if that is your job and that's meant to 689 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 3: pay your rent and your groceries and all of those things, 690 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 3: it doesn't go a long way. 691 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 2: No, no, again, I feel like that could be especially 692 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 2: in the major cities and in a country like Australia. 693 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 2: So and I know people are having those discussions in 694 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 2: whatever line of work they work, and I don't think 695 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 2: it's an uncommon discussion. But for us, I feel like 696 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 2: being in a public facing role, it always feels but 697 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,959 Speaker 2: I try and put that aside because like we were 698 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 2: talking about before, like I feel like I know the 699 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 2: value I can bring and it's not that I'm trying 700 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 2: to be cocky or arrogant, I feel like, but you 701 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 2: have to be confident and self assured because otherwise you 702 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 2: just get walked all over. And the thing with like 703 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 2: sport is if you don't want to do it, they'll 704 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 2: just grab the next player that comes in, and then 705 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 2: they'll do it for free and then oh okay, well 706 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 2: now they finally want to be paid. Okay, well you 707 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 2: move on and this player will do it for free. 708 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 2: And I just don't think that's the way it should 709 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 2: really operate. I don't think it's sustainable. Also in terms 710 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 2: of having like the quality of athletes you want. Obviously 711 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 2: you're going to go for your first choice, and then 712 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 2: if you're working your way down, like I feel like 713 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 2: the caliber of the athlete slowly diminishes. But it's also 714 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 2: just like not a nice environment to be in that 715 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 2: you feel like you're sort of a bit worthless. So 716 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 2: we just want to make sure that if we're not 717 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 2: going backwards. You know, if I'm playing sport and we're 718 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,239 Speaker 2: in a semi professional professional role, you get paid for that. 719 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 2: It's no different to any other job. 720 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:13,600 Speaker 3: Neble has such huge participation rates across the country. How 721 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 3: do you see that mismatch in a way of what 722 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,759 Speaker 3: you've had to fight for as a player to a 723 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 3: sport that's so hugely popular. 724 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is odd that I guess most people would 725 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 2: probably realize that the big paychecks for sport come from 726 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 2: either the broadcast or meteorites or sponsorship. So although participation 727 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 2: is really important, I think in having that community aspect, 728 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 2: which is something I really love about netbel For me, 729 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,279 Speaker 2: it's always really been about enjoyment, fulfillment, and connection and 730 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,800 Speaker 2: that's why I just love being involved in the game 731 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 2: so much. But yeah, translating that to sort of bigger 732 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 2: I guess media dollars, which might increase salaries, has always 733 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 2: been a challenge we're faced, and I think there's some 734 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,319 Speaker 2: sort of I guess gender element to it. Like if 735 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 2: you look at who we traditionally have watched sport on 736 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 2: TV over the last few generations, it technically just has 737 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 2: been men, and because men's Netmall, it's becoming more popular now, 738 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,799 Speaker 2: but it never really was the sport of choice. So 739 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 2: if you're looking at who's watching TV or the stereotypical viewer, 740 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,280 Speaker 2: historically that's been men. But I feel like it's changing 741 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 2: even you know, I'm a big Formula one fan, and 742 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,800 Speaker 2: the female viewership of that has just increased like exponentially, 743 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 2: So for us, we're almost having to do two battles 744 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,360 Speaker 2: at once. You know, we're trying to convert women into 745 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,800 Speaker 2: being sports viewers, which is sort of I think really 746 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 2: had a big improvement, but it's a generational shift. It 747 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 2: doesn't sort of just happen really over nine. And then 748 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,319 Speaker 2: for us, it's really trying to get more men and 749 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 2: boys involved in the game too. 750 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 3: It's a very nice segue because I wanted to ask 751 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 3: you about Brisbane twenty thirty two. Is that the primary 752 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,920 Speaker 3: goal that it is? Is it the gender equity piece? 753 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,800 Speaker 2: Probably not really across that as much as I probably 754 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 2: was in the last couple of years. I feel like 755 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,839 Speaker 2: as an athlete, it would be incredible to play at 756 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 2: the Olympics. I know, you've got to experience that, and 757 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 2: it was you know, I can imagine it was just 758 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 2: dream country, right, Oh. 759 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:20,240 Speaker 3: My goodness, the stream of my life so real. Yeah. 760 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, But I mean I would love to see Netpule there. 761 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,239 Speaker 2: I mean, we do probably lack a bit of a 762 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 2: global element too, if you think about the big players 763 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 2: in the international IOC stage as well, Russia, China, America, 764 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,359 Speaker 2: South America is a huge population density. Even India, which 765 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,320 Speaker 2: is a Commonwealth nation, which is obviously like white hockey 766 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 2: and those sports are so popular because they have that 767 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,799 Speaker 2: pool across that and like that's my assumption about why 768 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 2: crickets being included as well, because they just have this 769 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,840 Speaker 2: huge pool on the Indian market which is just insane 770 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 2: eyeballs and a lot of dollar figures that are associated 771 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,799 Speaker 2: with that, Like you can't really argue with. So as 772 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,360 Speaker 2: an athlete, I would have loved it, but it was 773 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 2: never because I played tennis and then I played nepple 774 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 2: for so long. For me, it was never something that 775 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 2: was something I desperately wanted to do. 776 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, because it didn't almost seem like a realistic thing 777 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,279 Speaker 3: that would happen in your lifetime. Really, Yeah, that makes sense. 778 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 2: It's not going to happen. So it's fine to be 779 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 2: still playing in twenty thirty two. You're crazy, Chloe, Well, 780 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:23,080 Speaker 2: I don't know. 781 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I kind of forgot to do the maths there. 782 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,399 Speaker 3: I mean, I'll talk about if we're both still around 783 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,320 Speaker 3: in twenty thirty two in our athletic careers, I'll be 784 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 3: impressed with both of them. 785 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 2: I think you'll still be kicking. Oh gosh, maybe coach Chloe. 786 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 3: Chloe mate, Oh, I like that. 787 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:35,839 Speaker 2: I could see that. 788 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,359 Speaker 3: Okay, So you've brought your new book with you. It's 789 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:40,839 Speaker 3: sitting on the bookshelf behind you. 790 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,399 Speaker 2: I thought this was a book club, but apparently it wasn't. 791 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 3: I want you to give a sixty second elevator pitch 792 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,279 Speaker 3: of your new book because I want you to be 793 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 3: This platform is all about spotlighting female athletes and commercial opportunities, 794 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 3: so I want you to take this. You said you're 795 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,399 Speaker 3: not great at selling yourself with this book, so this 796 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,480 Speaker 3: is it. You got to go sixty seconds give us 797 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 3: your best sell of your new book. 798 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 2: This is my new book in my series called Netbule Besties. 799 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 2: The first book is called The Mystery of the Missing Billy. 800 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 2: And this is my dog Billy. She's an Australian Shepherd 801 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 2: and she's in the book. She's a star. Actually she's 802 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,759 Speaker 2: named after Billy. This is a segway. Sorry, this is 803 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,879 Speaker 2: why I'm not so bad. She's named after Billy jan King, 804 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:23,680 Speaker 2: the tennis player. 805 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 3: That's iconic. I did not know that. 806 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 2: I'll just read you the blurb so it's a bit easier. 807 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,719 Speaker 2: But here we go. When a new family moves into 808 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 2: the property next to the Western Farm, Joe and her 809 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,400 Speaker 2: beloved dog Billy have a new best friend and netbull 810 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 2: buddy Eva. But strange things are happening in Talma Valley 811 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,880 Speaker 2: Farm gates are left open, Joe's escape artist Cow Moodini 812 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,759 Speaker 2: is on the loose, mountain bikers are going missing, and 813 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,239 Speaker 2: then Billy disappears. Joe and Able have to use all 814 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 2: their wits to solve the mysteries here going. It's coming 815 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,680 Speaker 2: out April eighth, that you can pre order it from 816 00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 2: any time going forward. And I'm really excited about it. 817 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:04,319 Speaker 2: And that's it. I love it the book. Obviously it's pink, 818 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,520 Speaker 2: but yeah, it's been really exciting. I've been doing a 819 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,280 Speaker 2: little bit of pr which feels a bit unnatural to me. Obviously, 820 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 2: I love talking. It feels a bit odd trying to 821 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,840 Speaker 2: be a bit of a salesperson. But this copy is 822 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:21,319 Speaker 2: for you, Chloe. Obviously it's for like ages about six 823 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:26,279 Speaker 2: to twelve, so I hope it's okay for your reading ability. 824 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 3: I'll take it. 825 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:29,840 Speaker 2: I'll take it, I'll leave it. 826 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,319 Speaker 3: Size is quite nice, actually I did have a look 827 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,160 Speaker 3: through before. I quite like the font size. 828 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,279 Speaker 2: But it's available online and all good bookstores. And I'm 829 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,879 Speaker 2: doing a couple of events mainly around Melbourne, so if 830 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,960 Speaker 2: people want to come along they can meet me. I'm 831 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,480 Speaker 2: going to see if I can bring Billy as well. 832 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,319 Speaker 2: Events if they're like dog friendly, you know. 833 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,920 Speaker 3: Oh, I would love to meet Billy. Yeah, he's really cute, 834 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 3: great breed of dog, great name, inspiration. I love that. 835 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:57,239 Speaker 3: That's very very cool. Bring it back to well, not 836 00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,640 Speaker 3: that the book is not congratulations. I think it's a 837 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:01,680 Speaker 3: huge achievement. Right. 838 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,120 Speaker 2: I've loved it. It's been such a fun avenue to 839 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 2: be creative, and it's loosely inspired, you know, by my 840 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,719 Speaker 2: own life up on our nut farm. So having those 841 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,120 Speaker 2: elements of it make it rarely specially and hopefully when 842 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,000 Speaker 2: I have kids one day, I can show the book 843 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,440 Speaker 2: to them. And obviously Billy is now immortalized because the 844 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 2: worst thing about pets is they're only around for a 845 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 2: small portion of your life. Now, my beautiful dog Billy 846 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:24,880 Speaker 2: will be around forever. 847 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,880 Speaker 3: That's really special. I ask every athlete who comes on 848 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:32,160 Speaker 3: the podcast, what would you describe as your favorite failure? 849 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:38,279 Speaker 2: Ooh, favorite failure? Does I have to be in a 850 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:39,040 Speaker 2: sporting arena? 851 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,680 Speaker 3: Most likely it can be wherever if you want, I 852 00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 3: can ask you another question if you'd like some time 853 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 3: to think. 854 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:49,920 Speaker 2: No, I think for me back in twenty eighteen when 855 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,239 Speaker 2: we lost the Commonwealth Games and then the following year 856 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,920 Speaker 2: when we lost the Netball World Cup. They're the two 857 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,759 Speaker 2: major tournaments if you're in the international netball sphere, and 858 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,839 Speaker 2: we lost both of those games by one goal, and 859 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 2: I think obviously all of us are pretty devastated by that, 860 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,400 Speaker 2: and there's a lot of expectation on you, and it 861 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,560 Speaker 2: probably taught me a favorite like that was a failure, 862 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 2: I guess. But the reason why it's one of my 863 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:20,560 Speaker 2: favorite experiences is it's kind of I guess, bifold like 864 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,120 Speaker 2: number one. For me, it was about trying to still 865 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,480 Speaker 2: savor that experience and the journey we went on without 866 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,560 Speaker 2: having sort of the final success at the end of it, 867 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,839 Speaker 2: like trying to separate the bitterness I probably felt from 868 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:38,160 Speaker 2: losing and not letting that kind of overarchingly impact the 869 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,239 Speaker 2: rest of my memories because it was like two of 870 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,440 Speaker 2: those two years were some of the best times I 871 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,479 Speaker 2: had playing for the Diamonds, but then they were also 872 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,360 Speaker 2: my favorite failures because the following come off Games and 873 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,160 Speaker 2: the following World Cup we were able to win both 874 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,799 Speaker 2: of those, and I feel like having that success having 875 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,480 Speaker 2: previously failed at those two events just made the win 876 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,360 Speaker 2: even more special to me. So probably those two. 877 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:04,879 Speaker 3: I like that lose one to win one. 878 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. Oh sporty cliche a com full circle. 879 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:09,320 Speaker 3: That was quite beautiful. 880 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:10,640 Speaker 2: You didn't even plan that, I know. 881 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:12,439 Speaker 3: Oh gosh good. 882 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,480 Speaker 2: I like I like to say it's lose one to 883 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,839 Speaker 2: win two, given we have the Commonwealth Games coming up 884 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,160 Speaker 2: next year, But I'll have to wait and see if I'm, 885 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,239 Speaker 2: you know, still still kicking thirty two. 886 00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,840 Speaker 3: You've got a long time ago. Who has had the 887 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,560 Speaker 3: biggest impact on you as a person. 888 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,080 Speaker 2: Oh, probably my mom. I would say she's not a 889 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:35,719 Speaker 2: natural athlete in any capacity. She probably is much more 890 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,239 Speaker 2: book smart than she is a street smart. But she's 891 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,600 Speaker 2: just the most beautiful human and she sacrificed so much 892 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,680 Speaker 2: for me and my brothers, and she's just been so resilient. 893 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 2: So I out my lucky styles every day. That she's 894 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:47,520 Speaker 2: my mom. 895 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,800 Speaker 3: That's really special. Did you I feel like you started 896 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:50,799 Speaker 3: to almost get a bit of emotion. 897 00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:53,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, she's in the book though, if you guys want 898 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:54,560 Speaker 2: to read about it. 899 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,759 Speaker 3: That's a good plot. That's a good plot. 900 00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,600 Speaker 2: No, she's just such a beautiful human and she's never 901 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,000 Speaker 2: been She's just one of the best. For me. Rather 902 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,279 Speaker 2: than feeling like it sort of had to be, you know, 903 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,080 Speaker 2: a bit pushy. I feel like sometimes it's very hard 904 00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,719 Speaker 2: line to walk as an athlete when she probably didn't 905 00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,120 Speaker 2: really understand why I was so passionate about it. But 906 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,400 Speaker 2: she's taken the time to learn why it's so important 907 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,920 Speaker 2: to me, and I think she also feels like that 908 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,960 Speaker 2: real sense of community we have around the Melbourne Vixims 909 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,160 Speaker 2: with all our family and friends, which is also once 910 00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,040 Speaker 2: you're in a sports team, it's really special to kind 911 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,200 Speaker 2: of feel like you're in that inner sanctum. And she probably, 912 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,359 Speaker 2: I guess, just didn't have that because she never really 913 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:31,719 Speaker 2: played sport when she was growing up. 914 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that. That's really special. I thing will 915 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,480 Speaker 3: end on that. Thank you. Thank you so much, Joe 916 00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,759 Speaker 3: for your time today. It was really cool to sit 917 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,040 Speaker 3: down and have the chance to chat to you. I 918 00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,520 Speaker 3: feel like I've seen you multiple things and we've kept 919 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,040 Speaker 3: saying that we needed to line it up. So I'm 920 00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:46,759 Speaker 3: so excited that we've lined it up. You've done it. 921 00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:47,520 Speaker 3: On game day. 922 00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to Beny go this evening to playing, 923 00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,919 Speaker 2: which should be quite fun making the commute. Yes. 924 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:54,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, so thank you so much for the second time. 925 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:59,000 Speaker 2: I always really admired your work, Chloe, so I'm happy 926 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,040 Speaker 2: I got to be in the whole scene. With our 927 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,000 Speaker 2: coordinated outfits. You can tell the great minds think alike. 928 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,800 Speaker 3: Great minds, great minds, great athletes. Thanks so much for listening. 929 00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,160 Speaker 3: If you got something out of this episode, I would 930 00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,279 Speaker 3: absolutely love it if you could send it on to 931 00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:16,279 Speaker 3: one person who you think might enjoy it. 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