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Speaker 2: It's going to be known as Territory Homes.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Kate.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie. Thanks for having me on now.

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Speaker 1: Just quickly because I know it's obviously the Chief Minister

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Speaker 3: So you'd have seen a pressure nationally. We've got to

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, but what you expect that when you start raising

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Speaker 3: just think to yourself, how can you just voice that

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Speaker 1: Look. I think the comments, I don't agree with the

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Speaker 1: it has to end.

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Speaker 2: The comments are completely unacceptable.

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Speaker 1: But what I do want to point out is, I

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Speaker 1: why isn't there any expectation that you know, convicted domestic

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Speaker 3: I have called out publicly that I believe that those

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Speaker 3: not There should not be a reward for you, and

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Speaker 3: if and sitting on a board, regardless of whether you're changed,

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Speaker 3: If you've changed, go out and do community service, go

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Speaker 2: Shouldn't there be some kind of.

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Speaker 3: Get involved in a community.

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Speaker 1: Shouldn't there be some kind of rules and regulations associated

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Speaker 3: Katie, that's a good point. So that in the case

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Speaker 3: going to back away from it. In terms of NARGER,

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Speaker 3: when those contracts come up, we should have things in

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Speaker 3: that needs to be done into the future. But any

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Speaker 3: second one that we're talking about, they deliver some amazing

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Speaker 3: a lot of really, really really good work, Katie, and

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to step away from that because they

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Speaker 3: That board needs to take a good look at itself

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Speaker 1: Kate, I want to ask you about something very different quickly,

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Speaker 1: I know that from my understanding, there's been some further

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Speaker 1: Have they been approved?

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Speaker 3: I've just literally got a message to myself this morning, Katie,

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Speaker 3: I haven't seen anything movement on that that shows me

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Speaker 3: But yes, absolutely, yes, and I'll be following that up today.

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Speaker 3: I literally have you only received that ten minutes ago

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Speaker 1: Well, if you're able to just keep us in the

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Speaker 1: loop as well, once you know, Kate, that'd be awesome.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so very much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 1: We're going to have to leave it there. Thank you anytime, Katie,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much, thank you,