1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:01,680 Speaker 1: As we just discussed. 2 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 2: Well, yesterday the Attorney General Chancey Paik introduced legislation that's 3 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 2: going to see the Children's Commissioner become what the COLP 4 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 2: has described as a race based role. Now they say 5 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 2: that they firmly believe that the Children's Commissioner role should 6 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 2: be held by the best person for the job, irrespective 7 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 2: of their race, religion or gender. The Opposition spokesperson for 8 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 2: Territory Families Joshua bergo and joins me on the line. 9 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: Good morning to you. 10 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 3: Josh, Good morning Katie, Good morning to your listeners. 11 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 2: Josh, tell me what is the concern with this legislation 12 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:35,959 Speaker 2: which has been introduced yesterday. 13 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 3: Well, it's a very contradictory from the government. We have 14 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 3: the chance he Pake, the Attorney General coming into Parliament 15 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 3: and basically putting down what's a race based policy, the 16 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 3: very same person who claims he doesn't believe in race 17 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 3: based policies. And I think this is as we have 18 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 3: said time and time again. You know, the Children's Commissioner 19 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 3: is such an important and critical role in protecting vulnerable children. 20 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 3: This person should always be the very best person for 21 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 3: the job and no one race is better at protecting 22 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 3: children than another. I think that's really important, just that 23 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 3: this role is held in such high esteem and that 24 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 3: we don't put covenance around who who can or who 25 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 3: shouldn't have that role. 26 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 2: Well, the really interesting part about this is we have, 27 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 2: you know, we've just appointed or they've just recently appointed 28 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 2: the new Children's Commissioner, and this legislation was not required, 29 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 2: as I understand it. 30 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: She is an Indigenous woman. 31 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 2: And adequately and absolutely qualified for the role, but not 32 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 2: actually you know, receiving that role because of her nationality 33 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 2: or her race. So I'm just not one hundred percent 34 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 2: sure why the government feels as though this needs to 35 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 2: be legislated. 36 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 3: And I think that's a really good point you raised, Katie, 37 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 3: is that this is going to be legislated, This is 38 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 3: going to be in law, and I don't think we 39 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 3: want to start going down this process whereby we are 40 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 3: dictating who is going to be employed for certain roles 41 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 3: based on their race, their gender, religion, any of those 42 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 3: sorts of things. It should always be on the character 43 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 3: of the person there, you know, the fact that they 44 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 3: have the skills necessary to partake and carry out their role. 45 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 3: And I think that's what's really important here, and we 46 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 3: just don't agree with what the government put forward here. 47 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 2: I mean, the government is saying that it was a 48 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 2: recommendation of the Royal Commission. 49 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: From what I can understand in this, you know. 50 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 2: One of my understanding is that for background, one of 51 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 2: the reasons why they're going down this path is because 52 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 2: a large number of youths that are incarcerated are actually Indigenous. 53 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,839 Speaker 2: Is I mean, does that help here in any way 54 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 2: in terms of the argument that they're trying to get across. 55 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 3: I want to clarify. My understanding of the recommendation was 56 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 3: it was for there to be two commissioners and one 57 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 3: of those two commissioners was to be at rate. So 58 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 3: it's yeah, it doesn't even go exactly to the recommendations. 59 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 3: But I think irrespective of all of that, as we said, pray, 60 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 3: you know, this role is a critical role. I've had 61 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 3: to deal with the Children's Commissioner's Office in my role 62 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 3: as Territory Families Shadow, and I've had some terrible things 63 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 3: that have been reported through my office, which then when 64 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 3: I don't believe they've been dealt with sufficiently, I get 65 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 3: in touch with the Children's Commissioner's Office and they are 66 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 3: very professional in the way that they carry out in 67 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 3: some instances investigations to make sure that vulnerable children in 68 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 3: our community are being looked after. It's a really vital 69 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 3: role and I can think of you know, over a 70 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,119 Speaker 3: long period of time, we've had lots of different commissioners 71 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 3: of lots of different races and religions, and they've all 72 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 3: carried out their job to a high standard. Now, what 73 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 3: we don't want to do here is say you must 74 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 3: be this specific race, religion or creed to hold this role, 75 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 3: because at the end of the day, it's a very 76 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 3: important role. We want to make sure that the best 77 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 3: person is in that role, not someone just based on 78 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 3: their race or religion or creed. 79 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 2: Well, I think even if you step aside from the 80 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 2: Children's commissioner role and you step into any of those 81 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 2: very important sort of commissioner roles, if you start to 82 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 2: go down this path, you know, like where does it end? 83 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 1: Like the where's the end point? 84 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 2: Do we then go, Okay, well, we want the KAK 85 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 2: commissioner to be a Catholic of Catholic religion. Like it's 86 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 2: I just think it's a really kind of murky waters 87 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 2: that we're entering into. 88 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 3: It does. It heads down the slippery slope where we 89 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 3: could argue that there's lots of agencies within the Northern 90 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 3: Territory that deal with different sections of the community, and 91 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 3: to say that you have to be from that community, 92 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 3: you have to be the same race as the people 93 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 3: you're dealing with to act in an ethical or a 94 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 3: caring way, is simply untrue. There's lots of people out 95 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 3: there that have worked in lots of different spaces and 96 00:04:56,440 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 3: regardless of their religion or gender, they carry out their 97 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 3: role to the highest standard. And I think that's what 98 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 3: we need to ensure is happening right across our public service. 99 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 2: Look, let's step aside from that for a moment to 100 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 2: the issue that has absolutely dominated headlines over the last 101 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 2: couple of days. Dominated the airwaves, that's for sure, and 102 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 2: our text line and that is that of the Deputy 103 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 2: Chief Minister Chancey Paike really standing firm, digging his heels 104 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 2: in over the shares scandal. 105 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 1: Josh, where to from here? 106 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's a really interesting one, Katie. You know, myself, 107 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 3: being from Alice Springs, we saw the very real what 108 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 3: happened as a result of the decisions that were made 109 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 3: by government we were on the front line. We saw 110 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 3: the absolute misery that occurred after basically legislation was brought 111 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 3: into Parliament. And I think that's what I really want 112 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 3: to say here. Legislation was brought in by the Labor 113 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 3: government to basically say it was going to be this 114 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 3: opt in model, which everyone said no, no, no, it 115 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 3: shouldn't be that way. It should be the other way around, 116 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 3: opt in, opt out. All of that side these decisions 117 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 3: that have been made by the Attorney General, by the 118 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,239 Speaker 3: Government of the day, it's so important that they manage 119 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 3: this conflict appropriately. Now we've had the Chief Minister come 120 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 3: out and say no, I don't remember chance he ever 121 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 3: saying anything, and we've got the Attorney General, Chancy Pate 122 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 3: now say oh no, I've always declared everything. And what 123 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 3: we're saying really clearly is that you could release the 124 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 3: cabinet document, redact all the information that we don't need 125 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 3: to know. All we want to see is what was 126 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,359 Speaker 3: declared at the beginning of the meeting. Did Chancey Pate 127 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 3: actually do his due diligence and say, hey, guys, I've 128 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 3: got shares It could be seen as a perceived conflict 129 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 3: of interest, and then the meeting went on. 130 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 2: I think I just want to go back to that 131 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 2: point that you'd made that because Chancey Peg had said 132 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 2: on the show yesterday and certainly was quite firm in 133 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 2: trying to get this point across that you know, the 134 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 2: Stronger Futures legislation is federal legislation, and we all understand that, 135 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 2: you know, nobody's silly. We all covered off of this 136 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 2: for a long long time with all the issues that 137 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 2: were going on in our springs and in Central Australia. 138 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 2: But from what you are saying here, they actually had 139 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 2: legislation in Parliament last year for the opt in, opt 140 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 2: out model for those communities to be able to have alcohol. 141 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 2: So this is absolutely something that's relevant. 142 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 3: And I think this is what a lot of people 143 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 3: have sort of missed here in the conversation is that 144 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 3: we had legislation alcohol amendment legislation that came before us 145 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 3: based on all these things that had occurred, the lapsing 146 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 3: of the Stronger Futures that then led to the absolute 147 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 3: misery we saw in other springs that led to the 148 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 3: then Prime Minister Federal Labor coming in and basically demanding 149 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 3: that these restrictions be put back in place. So that 150 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 3: we could alleviate the pain and suffering a lot of 151 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 3: people in our community were feeling. And I think that's 152 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 3: what a lot of people are forgetting here. The Attorney 153 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 3: General Chancey Pack led this charge to get rid of 154 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 3: these restrictions. It led to a huge, huge amount of 155 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 3: crime occurring in Aura Springs, especially right across the Northern territory. 156 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 3: And now we have it come out that he held 157 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 3: shares in a company that had interests in alcohol. So 158 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 3: it's about the decisions that were made by government and 159 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 3: whether or not he managed that conflict of interest appropriately. 160 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 3: We've got the Chief Minister in evil orner saying no, 161 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 3: it never hurt him, say anything. And now we've got 162 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 3: chance he take back pedaling and trying to say, oh no, no, no, 163 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 3: I've always done the right thing. We'll put forward those 164 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 3: cabinet documents, rebact everything that we don't need to see, 165 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:36,199 Speaker 3: and show exactly where you declared that conflict of interest 166 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 3: so that you've basically followed the rules. 167 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 2: Because there is going to be people listening this morning 168 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 2: though going it's four hundred bucks worth of shares, like 169 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 2: surely he wouldn't jeopardize his whole career over four hundred dollars. 170 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: Worth of shees. 171 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 3: What we have just seen is the Chief Minister of 172 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 3: the Northern Territory resign due to the seriousness of the 173 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 3: allegations and the failure to claire mining shares. Now, it 174 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 3: didn't matter about the value of those shares, it was 175 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 3: the fact that the rules, the Ministerial Code of conduct 176 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 3: was not followed. And what we're saying here is once 177 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 3: again the Ministerial Code of conduct that ministers are held 178 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 3: to account hasn't been followed and Labour need to come 179 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 3: out and show us that they have done that. 180 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 2: All right, Josh, I want to get some clarification on 181 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 2: these claims. The government's claiming that Leothanocchiaio sold off Hotelstra 182 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 2: shares yesterday, in light of everything that's going on, is 183 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 2: that the case. 184 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 3: I think what's really important in this muddying of the 185 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 3: waters is that we're not held to the same standards 186 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 3: as ministers. 187 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 2: In the Gold I get that, But did she sell 188 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 2: those shares yesterday? 189 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 3: I don't know when the leader of the Opposition has 190 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 3: held or sold shares. All I know, and I spoke 191 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 3: to the Leader of the Opposition this morning, is that 192 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 3: the entire opposition wing are moving to divest all shares 193 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 3: because the reality is, if in all August this year 194 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 3: we become government, we will have to be held to 195 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 3: those same high standards, and we want to ensure that 196 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 3: there is integrity in government, that everyone can know that 197 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 3: we don't have these shareholdings and don't have these conflicts 198 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 3: of interest. Look, that's what we're moving towards. 199 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 2: Look, I guess what I'm getting to is that Leah 200 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 2: did make it sound during the week like you'd all 201 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 2: divested your shares. So is the opposition being a bit 202 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 2: disingenuous here? 203 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 3: I think it's really important to highlight the fact that 204 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 3: we're held to different stands because the ministers in government 205 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 3: are the ones that are making the decisions. We're in opposition. 206 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 3: So I'm not trying to be disingenuous. It's just the 207 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 3: there is a code of conduct for ministers and a 208 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 3: code of conduct for everyone else, is the argument though. 209 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 2: Look, the argument though, is that you know, even in opposition, 210 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 2: you could be privy to discussions, or you could you know, 211 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 2: you could have a better understanding of some of the 212 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 2: different decisions that may or may not be going to happen. 213 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 2: So I suppose, you know, for sake of transparency. You know, 214 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 2: the people will be asking this morning whether all of 215 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 2: the opposition members just need to divest their shares. 216 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 3: And I think that is exactly what we are committing to. 217 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:16,439 Speaker 3: We can see exactly what this whole storm has basically 218 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 3: brought forward is that you know, this is something that 219 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 3: for those in government one hundred percent it is not 220 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 3: seen to be and the Minister or Code of Conduct 221 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 3: lays it out very clearly, but this should not be occurring. 222 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 3: And we are saying that because we are readying ourselves 223 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 3: should we be fortunate enough to form government in August, 224 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 3: we want to comply one hundred percent with that minister 225 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 3: or Code of Conduct and we will be moving to 226 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 3: divest all shares. 227 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: Josh, A really quick one before I let you go. 228 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 2: It's been reported this morning that police attended almost two 229 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 2: hundred incidents across Alice Springs in just twenty four hours. 230 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 2: The Southern Watch Commander Thomas Chalk Thursday morning so this morning, 231 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 2: saying it was a busy night for police after attending 232 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 2: seven break ins and four stolen mode vehicle reports. The 233 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 2: sergeant said that break ins were spread across our Springs 234 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 2: and remained under investigation there. 235 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: It sounds like it's. 236 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 2: Been a very busy night for our police in Central Australia. 237 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, and what I really want to highlight for 238 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 3: your listeners, because what I am continually being told is 239 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 3: I hear it's quieter. I hear it's quietening down in 240 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 3: other springs. For a lot of people, this summer has 241 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 3: been one of the worst on record for them. I know, 242 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 3: especially from my family and I we've been affected like 243 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 3: we never have been before. We've breaking My father's home 244 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 3: was broken into twice, my own family home was broken into. 245 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 3: When you are living in our springs and this is 246 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 3: affecting a lot of different people in a lot of 247 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 3: different ways, and your home is broken into, you really 248 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 3: don't want people to be telling you that, oh, everything's 249 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 3: all right. So I'm not surprised that we've seen an 250 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 3: increase inactivity because this is what's going to continue to 251 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 3: happen until we have laws in place that can actually 252 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 3: deal with the real issue and ensure that we don't 253 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 3: have repeat offenders again in the again breaking into people's 254 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 3: homes and stealing items. Well. 255 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 2: Josh burgoin the Member for Brakling Opposition spokesperson for Territory 256 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 2: Families as well. Really appreciate your time this morning. Thank you, 257 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 2: thank you, Jamie, thank you.