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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast. It's the podcast for the

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Speaker 1: time poor parent who just answers.

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Speaker 2: Now, if we do things because we think they're going

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Speaker 2: to make us happy, we will often not always, but

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Speaker 2: we will often be disappointed.

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Speaker 1: And now here's the stars of our show, My mum

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Speaker 2: Hello, this is doctor Justin Colson, the founder of Happy

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Speaker 2: Families dot com dot you. It's a Monday morning. Kylie,

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Speaker 2: my wife who has six kids podcast partner is thing

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Speaker 2: opposite me yawning because that's what Mondays are for, right,

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Speaker 2: big weekend. I don't be big weekend, bit tough. Woke

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Speaker 2: up a bit late this morning, just a little not

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Speaker 2: feeling great. We are so grateful that you've chosen to

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Speaker 2: join us today. We're having a conversation about whether or

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Speaker 2: not we're responsible for our kids happiness. When I ask

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Speaker 2: this question in workshops, it's the number one response. The

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Speaker 2: question is what do you want most of your kids?

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Speaker 2: And everyone always says.

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Speaker 2: I hear it again and again and again, and today

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Speaker 2: I want to bust the myth that it's our responsibility

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Speaker 2: to make our kids happy. In fact, I want to

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Speaker 2: expose the lie that it is that we need to

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Speaker 2: make our kids happy. I want to argue that that's

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Speaker 2: not our job. Not that I'm suggesting that we're therefore

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Speaker 3: I think that we have just lightened the load of

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Speaker 2: Need to explain why. And so what we're going to

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Speaker 2: do because you're not feeling one hundred percent today is

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Speaker 2: I've put together a list of five things that go

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Speaker 2: wrong when we try to help our kids to be

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Speaker 2: happy when we think that it's our responsibility. So you

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Speaker 2: can sort of just join in the conversation around that,

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Speaker 2: but I don't want to put too much of a

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Speaker 2: on your job to make me happy. And then, oh,

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Speaker 2: I just thought of a sixth one. And then after

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Speaker 2: the break, we're going to play around with what we

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Speaker 2: are actually responsible for. If we're not responsible for our

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Speaker 2: children's happiness, what are we as parents responsible for other

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Speaker 3: Well, let's dive into it. What's the first one.

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Speaker 2: The first one is that if you think that you're

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Speaker 2: responsible for your children's happiness, you're often going to make

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Speaker 3: I think about this all the time because I can't

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Speaker 3: even count the amount of times that we've taken the

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Speaker 3: kids on an outing or you know, spent a whole

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Speaker 3: heap of money that we probably really didn't have, but

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Speaker 3: we were desperate to put a smile on their face.

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Speaker 3: And you know, spend spend quality time together as a family,

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking theme parks, right, you take the kids to

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Speaker 2: But they fight on the way to the theme park.

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Speaker 3: Don't I don't want to go on that ride, they

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Speaker 2: And then and then when you take your picnic lunch,

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Speaker 3: What's number two?

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Speaker 2: The second one is that it's impossible to satisfy our

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Speaker 2: There's a psychological reference to the hedonic treadmill. So hedonism

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Speaker 2: You need more.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I'm thinking about the multiple times I may have

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Speaker 3: Chapter books, one chapter is not enough. We're up to

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Speaker 2: I fall asleep. I asleep when they ask me to

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Speaker 2: Once my head once on horizontal anyway, it's impossible to satisfy.

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Speaker 2: So when you think that you're responsible for your kids happiness,

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Speaker 2: your kids are always going to have experiences. Not always,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if this is helpful or not, but

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Speaker 2: I want to make it really clear it's not your

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Speaker 2: have to fix it because they're feeling bad. You don't

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Speaker 2: it out. But what we do is we sit there

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Speaker 2: We just want them to know that we're there for them.

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Speaker 2: We just want to connect with them. Now, I'm not

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Speaker 2: saying that we shouldn't connect and that we shouldn't enjoy

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Speaker 2: quality time together. But it becomes pathological once we start

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Speaker 2: to think that we're responsible for their happiness, and if

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Speaker 3: Well and right, you know, and then we're burdened by

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Speaker 3: the fact that our children are unhappy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So what's before number four is that

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Speaker 2: when we think that we are responsible for our children's happiness,

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Speaker 2: if they think that their happiness, that their emotional stability,

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Speaker 2: that their emotional wellbeing is predicated on somebody outside of themselves,

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Speaker 2: what are they going to do when we're not around.

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Speaker 2: What are they going to do when they're at university

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Speaker 2: sometimes other people can interfere with our otherwise best laid

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Speaker 2: But we were actually setting our children up to fail

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Speaker 3: It's interesting that you've brought this one up, because it's

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Speaker 3: something that I've actually really only come to fully understand

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Speaker 3: as an adult, that concept that this is actually my gig,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that brings me the last thing, and that

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Speaker 2: But ultimately, when I step out of that room, it's

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Speaker 2: I say, well, that's the way they are right now,

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Speaker 2: but that doesn't mean I have to be miserable as well.

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Speaker 3: I think it takes a level of maturity to get

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Speaker 2: It's one that I've been trying to make with our children,

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Speaker 2: somewhat unsuccessfully for some time now. Your sister is not

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Speaker 2: convinced that their sisters are the ones that are making

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Speaker 2: little drop once and then once again and once again

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Speaker 2: to me saying you choose, you choose, you choose. After

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Speaker 2: what are we responsible for? Imagine a relationship where you

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Speaker 2: felt seen, heard and valued, one where as your partner

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Speaker 2: enters the front door, they see you and their eyes

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Speaker 2: light up. A relationship like that is a gift. If

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Speaker 3: It's the Happy Famili's podcast, the podcast for a time

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Speaker 3: Poor Pairs who just wants answers now? And I'm curious,

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Speaker 3: if we're not responsible for our kids happiness, what are

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Speaker 3: we responsible for? Doctaicals.

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Speaker 2: The first thing I'm going to say is that we're

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Speaker 2: responsible for teaching our children to find their own happiness,

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Speaker 2: and they're most likely to find it not by searching

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Speaker 2: for it. If we do things because we think they're

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Speaker 2: but we will often be disappointed. In fact, happiness often

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Speaker 2: comes from the anticipation of something, not doing it. You

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Speaker 2: It, right, And that's the critical thing. Nobody else can

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Speaker 2: You can deal with the emotion coaching process much more

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Speaker 3: I love it. What's a five?

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Speaker 3: But if we're being completely transparent, every now and again,

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Speaker 2: We do because we're human, like I've done a few

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Speaker 2: But we really hope that these ideas are helpful for

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Speaker 2: What we're responsible for is helping our kids to find

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Speaker 3: It's a big list.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's not supposed to be easy. Missus Happy Families.

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Speaker 2: I'm not responsible for people being happy to have heard it.

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Speaker 2: I just want to share the ideas. The Happy Families

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Speaker 2: podcast is produced by Justin Ruland from Bridge Media. Craig

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Speaker 2: Bruce is our executive producer, and if you'd like more

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