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Speaker 1: Very good morning and welcome to the show. It is

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Speaker 1: Friday morning. It's time for the Week that was and

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Speaker 1: joining us in the studio this morning, we've got the

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Speaker 1: Minister for Education and various other portfolios.

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Speaker 2: Mark Monaghan, good morning.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie. It's nice to be here.

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Speaker 1: First time, can I say I Reckon it's your first

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Speaker 1: time in for the week that was?

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Speaker 3: Look Out, I'm feeling the ghosts of David told you

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Speaker 3: and Damian Hale and also.

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Speaker 2: You're actually sitting in Dave's old summon.

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Speaker 3: Is there a few durries lying around here somewhere.

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Speaker 4: And no, no, no, mye coffee's over there. Affe, Oh

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Speaker 4: we miss Dave now also in the studio with us

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Speaker 4: this morning. Georg Gy Dickinson from nine News, Good morning

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Speaker 4: to you.

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Speaker 2: Happy Friday, Amy.

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Speaker 1: Friday, Keizier Puic, good morning to you the Independence member

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Speaker 1: for Goider.

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Speaker 5: Morning, Katie, Morning Bush people. I've just been looking at

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Speaker 5: the odds again. Oh how are they looking well? Colp

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Speaker 5: have dropped more, which is good for them. They're dollars

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Speaker 5: seventy to win. Sorry Mark, you've blown out to two

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Speaker 5: dollars twenty to win.

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Speaker 3: Personal Bookie, keys Press and any.

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Speaker 5: Other I don't know who that's meant to be. That

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Speaker 5: those funny, those washed out greenees.

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Speaker 1: So greenies morning everyone, Good morning keys here and we've

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Speaker 1: also got Murray Claire Boothby from VCLP at Shadow Minister

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Speaker 1: for various portfolios.

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Speaker 2: Thank you lovely to have you all in the studio now.

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Speaker 2: I tell you what.

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Speaker 1: It has been a massive week, from visits from the

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Speaker 1: Prime Minister to catching million dollar fish and all sorts

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Speaker 1: of things. It's been a massive week in politics. And

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Speaker 1: as we know, the Prime Minister visited Alice Springs earlier

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Speaker 1: in the week, the Commonwealth announcing an extra eight million

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Speaker 1: dollars for public school upgrades in the Northern Territory, in

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Speaker 1: addition to the fourteen million dollars that it pledged on

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Speaker 1: Monday for extra police and community support. The Prime Minister

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Speaker 1: in Alice Springs to assess the early outcomes of the

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Speaker 1: Federal government's two hundred and fifty million dollar package for

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Speaker 1: Central Australia. There's been quite a bit going on in Alice.

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Speaker 1: I guess some people were kind of questioning what exactly

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Speaker 1: is he there for, but by the look of it,

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Speaker 1: there to get a bit of an update see how

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Speaker 1: things are going in Central Australia, following on from what's

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Speaker 1: been a really difficult time for the Red Center. I mean,

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Speaker 1: what did we make of the PM's visit?

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Speaker 6: Well, what did he actually do?

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Speaker 2: What did he come to ills extra money? I mean

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Speaker 2: fourteen or million?

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Speaker 5: We haven't got the two hundred and fifty million from

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Speaker 5: last time. He flew into town and flew out like

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Speaker 5: a bumblebee.

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Speaker 2: Seriously, I think they've I.

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Speaker 3: Can see why this is so much fun.

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Speaker 2: It's definitely some money that's gone in people he did.

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Speaker 5: Did he met in the Chamber of Commerce and I

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Speaker 5: know Chancey Pate was down there for the NT government

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Speaker 5: because let's be honest, the Prime Minister of the country

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Speaker 5: doesn't come into a jurisdiction without the courtesy of meeting

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Speaker 5: with anti government people and having them in attendance.

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Speaker 6: And I think some of his Federal College. I mean,

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Speaker 6: I'm not quite sure.

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Speaker 5: What Linda Bernie, the Federal Minister Fabriitional Affairs, would do

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Speaker 6: But what did he really do? It had another fourteen million?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well from our perspective, its great. It's got to

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Speaker 3: because they've actually from the money they've got from the

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Speaker 3: full school funding out of that two hundred and fifty million,

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Speaker 3: they've actually been able to put a lot of more

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Speaker 3: engagement programs in and we've seen, like whilst I don't

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Speaker 3: want to talk about boosting numbers or attendants at this point,

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Speaker 3: you have seen little fluctuations going up with that and

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Speaker 3: it doesn't surprise me. So he can come back any

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Speaker 3: time he likes and give us money. I'm very happy

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Speaker 3: for that to occur. And the fact that he's given

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Speaker 3: us an extra forteen million dollars for the police down

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Speaker 3: there or enable us to continue to do.

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Speaker 1: We know that he is going to be Is it

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Speaker 1: for additional police and is that part of the announcement

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Speaker 1: that Brent Porter had made then yesterday While the.

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Speaker 3: Announcement I think mister Potter made yesterday was more around

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Speaker 3: the new tactical group for Central Australia. But it's definitely

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Speaker 3: for police. It's for police boots on the ground, and

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Speaker 3: we know that's what makes a difference when people see police,

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Speaker 2: Confidence makes it too much difference.

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Speaker 7: He and a lot of people, when he comes in,

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Speaker 7: he flies in, flies out in a day, so a

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Speaker 7: lot of people don't really have much faith that he's

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Speaker 7: actually here to deliver and give us money and fix

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Speaker 7: the problems like the dB crisis that we're seeing. Obviously

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Speaker 7: they've pledged almost a billion dollars to fix or help

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Speaker 7: fix part of that crisis. But when you just see

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Speaker 7: the Prime Minister fly and fly out, it doesn't give

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Speaker 7: us much faith that he's actually here other than just

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Speaker 7: to I guess show people that he a visit, but

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Speaker 7: it's not really actually delivering what we need. Do you

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Speaker 7: think that the staying overnight made much of a difference.

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Speaker 7: Do you think that it gave people any more confidence?

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Speaker 6: It was just tired and needed a bed.

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Speaker 3: Pritist, he has been to the to the territory I

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Speaker 3: think ten or eleven times.

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Speaker 2: The hours aquat.

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Speaker 3: That you can imagine that he's getting pulled from pillar

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Speaker 3: to post everywhere in Australia who have all their their

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Speaker 3: has been here over eleven times and I appreciate that

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Speaker 3: because every time he comes into in I get the

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Speaker 3: and I dare say a lot of that's enabled us,

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Speaker 3: particularly with our funding and education and the degreements that

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Speaker 3: we'll sign hopefully in the next couple of months with

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Speaker 3: Jason clear for that to happen.

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Speaker 8: So I think Alice Springs people tell us all the

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Speaker 8: time that they saw him come twelve months ago they

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Speaker 8: announced this massive package of two hundred and fifty million dollars.

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Speaker 8: We know that only a portion of that has been

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Speaker 8: spent in Alic Springs. So it really goes to the

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Speaker 8: delivery of when the territory government is given money by

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Speaker 8: the federal government, we need to see real outcomes on

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Speaker 8: the ground, and unfortunately Alice Springs is the prime example

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Speaker 8: of how the people that live there and the business

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Speaker 8: operators and our tourism sector down there have just been

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Speaker 8: suffering for many, many years. I mean the tourism sector alone.

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Speaker 8: If we don't have a good season this year, that's

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Speaker 8: their fifth in a row. So for the Prime Minister

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Speaker 1: And look what al One of the big discussions that

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Speaker 1: we've had as well throughout this week a report by

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Speaker 1: the ABC Online, an Aboriginal controlled organization paid tens of

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Speaker 1: millions of dollars in government grants each year to help

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Speaker 1: improve social issues in Alice Springs has come under fire

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Speaker 1: for declining meetings, allegedly failing to deliver services adequately, and

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Speaker 1: allowing a convicted domestic violence offender to sit on its board.

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Speaker 1: Now Tonguanjia Council Aboriginal Corporation is one of Australia's largest

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Speaker 1: controlled Aboriginal controlled organizations and it's funded to provide housing,

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Speaker 1: safety and youth services for Aboriginal people in Alice Springs.

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Speaker 1: In the past financial year, it collected more than thirty

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Speaker 1: million dollars in government grants and contracts, including for servicing

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Speaker 1: sixteen town camps dotted across Alice Springs fringes, as well

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Speaker 1: as a women's safety group and family violence prevention programs.

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Speaker 1: Part According to the ABC, the organization, which in eloys

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Speaker 1: about three hundred people, hasn't released an annual report since

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. Now it goes to the heart I think

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Speaker 1: of some of these discussions that have been had in

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Speaker 1: recent weeks. I know even we had Marian scrimdor On

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Speaker 1: just a few weeks ago who had said Katie, we

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Speaker 1: do need to be able to audit every organization that

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Speaker 1: is receiving federal government funding. I think it goes without

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Speaker 1: saying that you know that there does need to be

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Speaker 1: KPIs met for any organization receiving funding.

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Speaker 2: But it beggars belief.

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Speaker 1: To me that we have got an organization that's receiving

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Speaker 1: releasing an annual report since twenty eighteen. And I do

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Speaker 1: question what would happen if another organization didn't do that.

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Speaker 7: You shut down?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, And this is this is why we have been

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Speaker 8: calling for an audit into all of this money that

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Speaker 8: does go in to the Northern Territory because this is

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Speaker 8: just one example. I mean the NGO space. There's a

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Speaker 8: lot of money that gets poured into that. And because

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Speaker 8: the in this case, they're not doing an annual report,

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Speaker 8: and there's you know, we haven't seen the KPIs and

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Speaker 8: how they're met. We're not going to be able to

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Speaker 8: know what's working and what's not. But what we do

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Speaker 8: know is that things are not better. Crime is worse,

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Speaker 8: and domestic violence is worse, and alcohol related assaults are worse.

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Speaker 8: And so this is why it is so important that

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Speaker 8: you know, the federal government have their policy legislation come

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Speaker 8: in so they can do an audit. The Northern Territory

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Speaker 8: government actually say yes, we're going to be open and transparent.

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Speaker 8: We're going to look at all these NGOs. Let's work

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Speaker 8: out what's working, what's not so we can move forward.

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Speaker 7: But also the fact they've got an alleged domestic violence

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Speaker 7: perpetrator on their board is a bit hypocritical. When you're

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Speaker 7: support victims of domestic violence, and you're supporting an alleged

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Speaker 1: Well, and we know that when just months ago, when

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Speaker 1: we're in a situation where Steve Edgington allegedly imployed or

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Speaker 1: had employed somebody who was.

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Speaker 2: An alleged and the government came down heavy, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: And so I think, you know, we like, we've got

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Speaker 1: to make sure that that obviously we're fair and equitable

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Speaker 1: no matter what you're talking about. But I think that

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Speaker 1: for a lot of people listening, particularly if you're somebody

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Speaker 1: for any of those there is an expectation if you're

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Speaker 1: receiving federal or Northern territory government funding, that it has

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Speaker 1: to be acquisted and.

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Speaker 2: That there is an annual report.

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Speaker 1: I mean, in a lot of cases that is part

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Speaker 1: of your reporting schedule, Katie.

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Speaker 5: The fact that they haven't delivered an annual report since

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Speaker 5: twenty eighteen was it means they haven't done ordered accounts.

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Speaker 5: So how do we know because the ordered accounts are

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Speaker 5: part of your annual reporting, So how do we know

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Speaker 5: that this organization is actually got good governance at all?

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Speaker 6: How do we know these.

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Speaker 5: How do money is being spent appropriately? I mean, they're

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Speaker 5: employing three hundred people, which is a very large organization,

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Speaker 5: So that means I'm more concerned about the governance point

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Speaker 5: of view at this point of view and this standing

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Speaker 5: and the fact that there's been no ordered accounts, which

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Speaker 5: means we've got no bloody idea how they've been spending

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Speaker 5: that thirty million dollars.

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Speaker 6: Per year or just repe that was for the last

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Speaker 6: fine and eight ninety that's.

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Speaker 5: Six years times three six a one hundred and eighty

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Speaker 5: million dollars. Perhaps or potentially they've received from the Commonwealth

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Speaker 5: We've got no bloody idea where it's been spent.

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Speaker 3: And I want to make it really clear that I

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Speaker 3: don't care if it's thirty million dollars or a dollar.

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Speaker 3: If it's if it's public money, they need to account

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Speaker 7: That to make sure that those and your reports are

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Speaker 2: The end of the day is where it's gone.

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Speaker 3: Yea, at the end of the day, whatever their requirements

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Speaker 1: So just in this situation though, I guess, so just

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And as I said, one of the most crucial

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Speaker 2: I understand that, But hasn't it happened since two I.

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Speaker 3: Can't say that. I can't say that processes haven't happened,

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Speaker 5: And if they're non churchy organization, they've been incorporated on

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Speaker 6: You didn't get them you'd be bloody fined. And she

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, this is the thing, and I think

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Speaker 2: Are not outcomes.

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Speaker 1: I'd be very keen to find out if there's been

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Speaker 2: And I know that Mark wouldn't.

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Speaker 3: Have that in the experienced in the remote communities, living

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Speaker 2: What do you mean by that that they don't have

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Speaker 3: Do it or that they, as I said, from time

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know, because again I have six years

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Speaker 3: Do I know of complaints of those services not being delivered?

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Speaker 1: I don't know why that's happening, but I would think

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Speaker 2: Look, we're going to take a really quick break.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Mix one O four point nine if

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Speaker 1: We've got Murray, Clai booth By, Keesy Apuic, Georgie Dickerson

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Speaker 1: and also Mark Monahan. Now there's been so much happened

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Speaker 2: Appreciative for that.

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Speaker 1: But we know that I guess you know, the budget

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Speaker 2: Coming in thick and fast.

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Speaker 1: Now we know that the Northern Territory government so that

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Speaker 1: in Palmiston's going to begin with ten million dollars invested

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Speaker 1: got to secure that federal government funding. But by all accounts,

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Speaker 2: People that are more would be much more.

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Speaker 1: Appropriate for them to be in an aged care facility

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Katie talking to Terra Toorins this week. The one

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Speaker 8: You know, the age care facility I think has been

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Speaker 8: you know what, we just don't believe Labor anymore because

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I think it's a you know it's a

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Speaker 2: fair point to make.

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Speaker 1: I guess the situation here is we do need additional beats,

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Speaker 6: Right, correct.

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Speaker 5: But if the government, I think you read that the

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Speaker 6: Because age care is a common responsibility.

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Speaker 1: So I spoke to Selena Rubo about that yesterday and

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Speaker 6: I'm talking twenty forty million to build a complex?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how many years away?

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Speaker 6: That's right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're the big question, like they are the big President.

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Speaker 7: Is impacting those crowd yellows. So it's important to have

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Speaker 7: It's not just going to be done with and they

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Speaker 1: And I will say that this is not a new issue.

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Speaker 1: You know, this is something that I've been speaking to

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Speaker 1: He's been saying, you know, we have got at different

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Speaker 1: It's sort of ebbed and flowed, but it's been an

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Speaker 5: And also what's happening, Katie. I've had one recently and

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, you're okay, you'll be right, you can go

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Speaker 5: Are you just want my bid? Yes, we do need

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Speaker 5: And it's putting pressure on the families. And I mean,

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, and age care has become an increasing issue

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Speaker 3: in the grand there if we like. But we will

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Speaker 3: build an age care And the problem is, having come

444
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Speaker 3: from engineering and construction backgrounds, these things do take time.

445
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Speaker 3: They don't the actual concept plans drawn up, the actual

446
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Speaker 3: plan of service gets drawn up. Then you start thinking

447
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Speaker 3: about the plan for the building, and then you're obviously

448
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Speaker 3: at the same time and parallel you're trying to access

449
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Speaker 3: the phone.

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Speaker 2: Why are we training so long?

451
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Speaker 3: Well, they're expensive, They're very expensive piece of the care.

452
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Speaker 3: And at the end.

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Speaker 9: Of the day, I think it's unfair that it's unfair

454
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Speaker 9: an idea what we're doing is we've just announced it,

455
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Speaker 9: but that doesn't mean that it hasn't been thought about

456
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Speaker 9: and been put up as a proposition the past.

457
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Speaker 3: It has and will continue. We will continue to look

458
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Speaker 3: at what's needed in the health because I don't know

459
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Speaker 3: if I think you've heard me say quite often Georgie

460
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Speaker 3: in media, it's really about the most disadvantaged people in

461
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Speaker 3: our community and poverty and age care. As some of

462
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Speaker 3: the most disadvantaged and the way the way you fix

463
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Speaker 3: disadvantage is quality health and quality education. So they are

464
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Speaker 3: the two key components they will always be advocating for.

465
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Speaker 3: Whilst I don't have the health profound, I won't keep

466
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Speaker 3: going on that we are here and we are spending

467
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Speaker 3: lots of money on health, and I look and I

468
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Speaker 3: want to talk up the health because I was in

469
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Speaker 3: there the other day at Royal Darwin Hospital. They are

470
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Speaker 3: amazing people. They're amazing operators and they've got.

471
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Speaker 2: But they need a lot more help than what they're training.

472
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Speaker 7: I have friends and are nurses and they're doing double

473
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Speaker 7: but indangerous Parson Hospital. Quite often it's an easy shift

474
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Speaker 7: because everyone's sent down to Royal Darwin because the capabilities

475
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Speaker 7: for Edie Palmerston aren't up to scratch. Therefore everyone's being

476
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Speaker 7: sensored to DAL and overflowing it.

477
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Speaker 3: That but also in saying that, I've also been treated

478
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Speaker 3: at Palmston Hospital when I unfortunately had a little accident

479
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Speaker 3: at a Dundee beach on a boat one day, and

480
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Speaker 3: it was it was amazing and I never would have

481
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Speaker 3: got that quality service if Labor had invested and built that. Well. Look,

482
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Speaker 3: so it's about going forward and ensuring for a particular

483
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Speaker 3: sector in a community and the age care, which is

484
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Speaker 3: a growing sector here in the territory, because it's also

485
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Speaker 3: part of keeping our families here. When I first came

486
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Speaker 3: here over thirty years ago, you could ask every person,

487
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Speaker 3: they said, oh, we came here two years ago or

488
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Speaker 3: five years ago whatever. We are getting more people saying

489
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Speaker 3: I was born here and I'm growing up here and

490
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Speaker 3: I'm working here, and so you're getting families staying here,

491
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Speaker 3: and you're getting older people.

492
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Speaker 2: And you've got to make sure the facilities for the week.

493
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Speaker 2: Absolutely that need to make sure that.

494
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Speaker 8: This part of normal governance. I mean, we need this

495
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Speaker 8: money to be invested in health and it needs to

496
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Speaker 8: be invested over a number of years. But when we

497
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Speaker 8: pour the money into a bucket which has holes in it,

498
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 8: it just leaks out the bottom. And we have a

499
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Speaker 8: system in our hospitals that is broken. Is that we

500
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Speaker 8: spend ten million dollars a year Kadi on security at

501
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Speaker 8: our hospitals. I mean the fact that people don't feel

502
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Speaker 8: safe when they go to work there and the patients

503
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Speaker 8: don't feel safe. I mean that is so telling that

504
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Speaker 8: we have to spend all that massive show system, we

505
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Speaker 8: start to focus on some of those areas where people

506
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Speaker 8: can feel safe to go to hospital and work at hospital. Well,

507
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Speaker 8: look at it's going to go a long way, and

508
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Speaker 8: this labor government just hasn't wanted to have that conversation.

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Speaker 7: You always, you quite often have young nurses who are

510
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Speaker 7: moving for experience and to get that experience before they

511
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Speaker 7: go back down South. But when you've got young twenty

512
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Speaker 7: two year olds being spat on or abused and have

513
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Speaker 7: to have two security guards to handle a person that's

514
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Speaker 7: drunk or you know, whatever other health condition they might have,

515
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Speaker 7: that's only it doesn't make you want.

516
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Speaker 8: To go to war.

517
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Speaker 2: No, that's exactly right. It is something. It's something we've

518
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Speaker 2: spoken about quite a beash on the show.

519
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Speaker 1: We have had nurses get in contact with us and

520
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Speaker 1: also partners of nurses that are really quite concerned about

521
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Speaker 1: their safety at different times when very dangerous situations have unfolded.

522
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Speaker 1: But I want to move along because it wasn't the

523
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Speaker 1: only announcement that was made. Of course, this week, we

524
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Speaker 1: know that if elected, the Northern Territory Opposition is promising

525
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Speaker 1: more prisons, expanded sentencing options and stronger penalties for people

526
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Speaker 1: convicted of crimes. So two new purpose built women's prisons

527
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Speaker 1: in Alice Springs and Darwin ten million for new adult

528
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Speaker 1: prison work camps.

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Speaker 2: Amongst other things.

530
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Speaker 1: One of those things the creation of a standalone corrections

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Speaker 1: agency which would include youth justice.

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Speaker 2: So I know, I'm.

533
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Speaker 1: Pretty sure the Chief Minister's been out and said it's

534
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Speaker 1: nothing new, nothing new to this announcement, but it is.

535
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Speaker 2: Some of it is like what the community is wanting

536
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Speaker 2: to hear.

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Speaker 8: I spose, Well, the new bit's.

538
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Speaker 3: The fact that they're going to build two brand new

539
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Speaker 3: purpose facilities for detention. No, I don't know where they're

540
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Speaker 3: getting the money for that, I honestly don't. It's when

541
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Speaker 3: you add all their little promises up and they took

542
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Speaker 3: they talked about last month about raising the higher Stuart

543
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Speaker 3: Highway all the way down to make it flood proof. Well,

544
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Speaker 3: there's about four billion dollars. There's a probably a billion

545
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Speaker 3: comwell for those it is, but it's still four billion

546
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Speaker 3: bucks and we still have to come up with twenty

547
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Speaker 3: percent of it.

548
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Speaker 2: Is that money coming from.

549
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Speaker 3: There's a magic bucket somewhere that she hasn't told us about.

550
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Speaker 8: We know in the territory that community safety is the

551
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Speaker 8: number one issue, and well your question not make any

552
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Speaker 8: apologies for spending the money to be able to build

553
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Speaker 8: more facilities which can detain people who are doing the

554
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Speaker 8: wrong thing.

555
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Speaker 3: Where's it coming from?

556
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Speaker 8: If that means bringing them into detention facilities, then that's

557
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Speaker 8: exactly what we need to do.

558
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Speaker 7: Is coming we talk about where money's coming from. We've

559
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Speaker 7: just topped up the health budget by three hundred million dollars.

560
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Speaker 2: Where's that money?

561
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Speaker 3: Question in debt and so we're probably going into some

562
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Speaker 3: of my portfolios. That's where the money is coming from from.

563
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Speaker 3: From the gas coming on shore, it's on shore on

564
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Speaker 3: our national sent.

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Speaker 2: It's coming from treasury.

566
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Speaker 3: Well, Treasury obviously distribute it, but it's coming from from

567
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Speaker 3: what we're doing in the the the mining, with what

568
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Speaker 3: we're doing in the gas area, what we're doing in

569
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Speaker 3: the agguabusiness, it's coming from there. I've said, I openly

570
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Speaker 3: say to all of those industries they are so important

571
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Speaker 3: to the territory. Why because they'll be paying for a help.

572
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely, I guess that's an issue. I suppose the

573
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Speaker 1: problem you guys have got at the moment, though, Mark,

574
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Speaker 1: is that that that is the case, and that is

575
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Speaker 1: great to hear that that money. You know that we

576
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Speaker 1: are going to have our own source revenue and that

577
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Speaker 1: we're going to be, you know, bringing some money in

578
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Speaker 1: for ourselves through industry. But we've really had a lot

579
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Speaker 1: of years where we've languished really very bad, and we've

580
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Speaker 1: been going a couple of years, that's right, and we've

581
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Speaker 1: been going cap in hand to the federal government sort

582
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Speaker 1: of asking for money. So I totally agree with what

583
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Speaker 1: you're saying. You know, the COLP does need to outline

584
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Speaker 1: where money is coming from and where you're making big promises.

585
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Speaker 2: You've got to be able to.

586
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Speaker 8: Out those numbers, go to Treasury well before the election

587
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 8: and it all gets shown in a big document. Both

588
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 8: Labor and the CLP need to do that, and so

589
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 8: that's going to become very clear. But what is the

590
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,239
Speaker 8: most important thing for territorians is to feel safe, and

591
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 8: we just don't feel that right now. If we want

592
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Speaker 8: to open up the territory for tourists to come, to

593
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Speaker 8: open up new businesses, for new investment, then and for

594
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Speaker 8: it to be a place where we can afford our

595
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Speaker 8: beautiful schools, we can afford those staff that at the

596
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 8: hospitals that help when you're Unwell, we need to make

597
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Speaker 8: the place safe. So we make no apologies.

598
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Speaker 1: For building or say to those that say jailing is

599
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Speaker 1: failing or that evidence shows that, you know, the CLP's

600
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Speaker 1: approach to tough on crime is not going to work.

601
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Speaker 5: Well, if they've committed a crime that attracts a jail

602
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Speaker 5: jail time.

603
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Speaker 6: Well they've got to go to jail. That's the law

604
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Speaker 6: of our land.

605
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Speaker 2: That's all the most people would see. You know.

606
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Speaker 5: Okay, if the judge or the legislation allows the person

607
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 5: to be put on a good behavior bond or to

608
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Speaker 5: do community.

609
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Speaker 6: Service, well so bit.

610
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Speaker 5: But you go to jail one to punish for punishment

611
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Speaker 5: for doing the wrong thing, and too with a little

612
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 5: bit of hope and some funding and resources, rehabilitate yourself

613
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Speaker 5: either physically or in the brain such you don't commit

614
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Speaker 5: the same offense again. And that's the tricky bit, because

615
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 5: there's not enough resources allocated to programs in our jails currently.

616
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Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly, And Katie ye, our plan is a plan

617
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 8: of action, like it is literally going to be for

618
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Speaker 8: delivering real consequences and a pathway out of crime. I mean,

619
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Speaker 8: there's seventy five percent of people who are in prison

620
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Speaker 8: today that have actually been in prison before, and so

621
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Speaker 8: we need to deal with those repeat offenders. And Kissy

622
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Speaker 8: is right. That is why our plan has the correctional

623
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Speaker 8: part of rehabilitation. So you go somewhere and you learn

624
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Speaker 8: new skills, you do rehab. If there's alcoholic drugs problems,

625
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 8: you literally can change your life to a life beyond crime.

626
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Speaker 8: And so that we can they can contribute back to

627
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Speaker 8: the community and we can have a safe community.

628
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Speaker 1: How exactly is going to implement the compulsory community service

629
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Speaker 1: for youth offenders, because again I think it sounds like

630
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Speaker 1: a good thing, but I don't know how you Yeah,

631
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Speaker 1: how do you make it complacause it seems like there's

632
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Speaker 1: been such a a struggle to kind of hold some

633
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Speaker 1: youth offenders to account.

634
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Speaker 2: Why do you reckon that is? And how do you

635
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Speaker 2: make it? And that is compulsory?

636
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Speaker 8: Youth justice laws have been watered down over many years,

637
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Speaker 8: so that I mean even raising the age of criminal responsibility.

638
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 8: That means that those children who commit crimes, they don't

639
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 8: get to be before a judge to be able to

640
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Speaker 8: be sentenced to something like sentence to a skill where

641
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Speaker 8: they can actually learn how to learn how to live

642
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Speaker 8: in the community, but I can also learn a skill

643
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Speaker 8: so that they can have that life beyond crime. So

644
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Speaker 8: laws will absolutely have to be changed, but that is

645
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Speaker 8: why we're committed to doing that. We've got several pieces

646
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Speaker 8: of legislation that on day one of Parliament after the elections,

647
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Speaker 8: should we win, that we will bring forward and ensure

648
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Speaker 8: that that is the urgent priority.

649
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Speaker 2: Well, look, who's going to staff it? That's another question.

650
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Speaker 7: Obviously, all of these things are great in theory if

651
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Speaker 7: kids are rehabilitated, if they do have these different pathways

652
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Speaker 7: and avenues, they can go down. But if there's no

653
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Speaker 7: one there to staff it and make sure it is compulsory,

654
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Speaker 7: then kids aren't just going aren't going to do it?

655
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Speaker 8: Well, that's right, Georgie, and that's why we need to

656
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 8: do so many things all at once. I mean, unlike labor,

657
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 8: we can actually do more than one thing. And we

658
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,479
Speaker 8: have to get our economy going. I mean, we have

659
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Speaker 8: to make it a place which is attractive for staff

660
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Speaker 8: to come here. And then you know, when we are elected,

661
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Speaker 8: we'll get under the hood and we'll start looking at

662
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Speaker 8: all those resources, who's doing what, and be able to

663
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Speaker 8: see where those gaps are and be able to fill them.

664
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Speaker 8: I mean, right now, we know that labor has left

665
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 8: us in a huge mess and that someone is going

666
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 8: to have to clean it up, and that is why

667
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 8: we're fighting so hard on this.

668
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 7: Well I found interesting, sorry, Katie, just in your plan

669
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 7: it's only a commitment of fifteen million dollars. I found

670
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 7: it interesting that you're not committing specific numbers to certain things,

671
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 7: to say we need x amount if we are to

672
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 7: build these two new women's prisons. We don't even know

673
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 7: how many beds or how much that's even going to cost.

674
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 7: It's going to be the hundreds of millions of dollars,

675
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 7: and then all these other programs are going to be

676
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 7: millions of dollars. So you know, you're looking at a

677
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 7: couple one hundred million dollars for that plan itself, but

678
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 7: there's no set fee on how much all these things

679
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 7: are going to cost.

680
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 8: A couple one hundred million dollars. I mean, a women's

681
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 8: prison is a smaller for I think there's eighty women

682
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 8: prisoners right now at home.

683
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 2: It's still.

684
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 3: The age.

685
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 10: Let's equate that that doesn't require there, So let's not

686
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 10: be let's not be actually just throwing these motherhood statements

687
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 10: at this will be a substantial financial commitment from the territory.

688
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 3: If you think you're going to do that, I think

689
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 3: and I think it is I think one way right well,

690
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 3: I think one of the most important things that we

691
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 3: need to the price we need to pay the society

692
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 3: is actually to look at these these core things that

693
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 3: make a difference. And at the end of the day,

694
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 3: I think I've got a stat the other day that's

695
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 3: sixty five percent of our jails either got people in

696
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 3: there for alcoholism or dv That is an absolute scourge

697
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 3: and as.

698
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 6: Closer to that nineteen.

699
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 3: Anyway whatever, that figure is an absolutely disgraceful and it

700
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 3: can be and it's addressed right back at the start

701
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 3: at school when it.

702
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 2: Gets generational change.

703
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 3: Generation and we can't keep ignoring it by trying to

704
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 3: do the quick fixes that cost lots and lots of money.

705
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 3: Because at the end of the day, parents engaged with

706
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 3: their family. You and I all grew up in different

707
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 3: worlds with parents who looked after them, who were caring

708
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 3: about their education, who came along, who read to us

709
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 3: and books. If you don't do the hard work as

710
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 3: a society, you end up with a problem.

711
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 6: It's not going to happen in the start.

712
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 3: Well, one of the things we need to have keys

713
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 3: I know you said it's not going to have, is hope.

714
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 3: If we don't have hope, do you know what, none

715
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 3: of us here anymore and leave in our kids and

716
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 3: talk our kids up, we get You know what.

717
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: Ships me at the moment, and I'm going to say it,

718
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: it's the thing that ships me badly at the moment

719
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: is we are spending an absolute bucket load on kids

720
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: that are breaking the law, that are doing the wrong thing.

721
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: There is so many good kids in this town, there

722
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: is so many good kids in all the territory job

723
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,719
Speaker 1: but they are bloody frightened that they're to get flogged

724
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: in the street because they feel like there's not consequences

725
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: to kids that are doing the wrong thing.

726
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 2: And that is where we've got the problem at the moment.

727
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: Doesn't matter where you come from, doesn't matter what community,

728
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: and doesn't matter. And we have to actually make sure

729
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: that no matter what, if you are doing something that's

730
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: that's breaking the law, that's incredibly bad, there has to

731
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: be consequences for those actions. And you've got to teach

732
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: the good the bad, all the kids that that's the case. Otherwise,

733
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: what hope is there for the good kids that are

734
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: doing the right thing, that are really frightened are moving,

735
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: they're leaving town.

736
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 3: The worst thing we can do for a society is

737
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 3: take a child who's in year four and throw them

738
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 3: into a prison.

739
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 2: No one suggesting that we do. And that's where.

740
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 3: Exactly it's a bad.

741
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 2: Support.

742
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 3: So these residential youth facilities are alternative to those models.

743
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 3: They're models where you get the services from Territory found.

744
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 2: Education saying that there's other.

745
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: Cross while all of these promises are being made, right,

746
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: So if all these promises being made gos, I just want.

747
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 5: To comment on the CLP where they're talking about building

748
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 5: the women's prison. I don't know the other Spring situation,

749
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 5: but I'm sure it's the same as Darwin. The women's

750
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 5: section is in the middle of a male jail and

751
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 5: it's got to do the line, know, which is not

752
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,240
Speaker 5: a lot about jails and jail design.

753
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,720
Speaker 6: That is not a good design layout.

754
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 5: So the fame that they're going to take the women out,

755
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 5: the fact they want to build them a new jail

756
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 5: for women prisoners, I don't have an issue with that.

757
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 5: Another of the community, but the other thing is people

758
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 5: are fed up in my community, my lectorate, and of

759
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 5: this wrap around services bullshit.

760
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 6: No one is No one is buying that. What does

761
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 6: that mean? It's just those those groovy walls.

762
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 3: What parents did for you and I.

763
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 1: We're talking about these different promises that are being made.

764
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: We the NT News this morning reporting a shocking image

765
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: of a man with an arrow lodged in his abdomen

766
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: has emerged in the wake of violence in the Northern

767
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: Territory community of Daily River. Now we know that the

768
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: Northern Territory Assistant Commissioner Janelle Tonkin said that the Territory

769
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: Response Group and the Territory Safety Division we're on the

770
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: way to Daily River to respond to recent unrest in

771
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: the town. Now, I'm sure everybody has seen the reporting,

772
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: but we've literally got a situation where women and children

773
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: are saying that they are sleeping rough in Adelaide River

774
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: with nowhere to go after rioters have set fire to houses.

775
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: So we've got a situation now where you do have

776
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: you know, you've got good families who are bloody scared

777
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: in these communities because you've got groups that have no

778
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: regard for the law whatsoever, hesitant to name them because

779
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: you don't want to give them that notoriety. But this

780
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: is the kind of thing that we're talking about. It

781
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what community you live in, it doesn't matter

782
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: where you come from. There's so many good families in

783
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: this place. There's so many wonderful people in this place.

784
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: But then you've got others that have no regard some

785
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: of those good people for those women and children. So

786
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: you've now got this situation where there's women and children

787
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: sleeping rough in Adelaide River with nowhere to go. Because

788
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 1: you know, a Daily River local telling who didn't want

789
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: to be named, telling the paper that about forty people

790
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 1: had evacuated the community since an armed gang I'm not

791
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 1: going to name them descended on the town. They said,

792
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: we can't stay in Adelaide River. We've got nowhere to go,

793
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: and we're not getting any support from anyone.

794
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 2: At the moment. We've got women and kids sleeping on tarps.

795
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 8: And that is why I need these changes, Katie, because

796
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 8: we cannot have people that get away with this. My

797
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 8: understanding is that the police know who these families are

798
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 8: that have these challenges. They also know the perpetrators. It

799
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 8: doesn't matter how old they are. If they are causing

800
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 8: that kind of harm and upheaval in a whole community,

801
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 8: it needs to be dealt with. There needs to be

802
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 8: real consequences, and that's why the bootcamps which Labor promised

803
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 8: eight years ago and haven't been able to lie, need

804
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 8: to be delivered. And that's why the Seal PECE so

805
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 8: focused on that. I mean, that's why we're so focused

806
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 8: on sentence to a skill. If you're a young person

807
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 8: who's looking to get into the workforce, you need that opportunity.

808
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 8: So while you are serving out your time which meets

809
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 8: community expectations, you're learning a skill so that when you

810
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 8: do exit that facility or that boot camp, then you

811
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 8: actually can go and contribute to society instead of these

812
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 8: horrific crimes that we continue to talk about, and Labor

813
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 8: continue to pretend like it's not happening and that we

814
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 8: all have to wait for generational change.

815
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 7: I think as well on that generational change is one thing,

816
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 7: but people, as you said, need a quick fix because.

817
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 2: They can't keep being scared.

818
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 7: Shop owners can't keep being broken into, abused, assaulted like

819
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 7: we see with John John's, you know, horrific incidents outside

820
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 7: we see horrific assaults all of the time, and horrific

821
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 7: rates of domestic violence. People don't want to wait for

822
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 7: generational change for domestic violence. They want to know that

823
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 7: they're going to be safe now before they're abused again.

824
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: But I also look at this situation even at the

825
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: daily the daily River region, and you go, you've got

826
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: a situation now where women and children are sleeping rough

827
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: in Adelaide River on tarps, presumably not able to go

828
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: to school.

829
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 2: Those kids or not attending school.

830
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: Then, so they're stepping away the likelihood of them potentially

831
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: becoming at risk because they're not at their home, they're

832
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 1: not in their safe place.

833
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 2: You don't know what's going to happen.

834
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: But if the issue is sorted from the get go

835
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: in terms of the stopping of that crime so that

836
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: they are not feeling like they can't stay in their

837
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: community and they're not feeling like they have to flee,

838
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: the on flow of a child they're not going to

839
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: school or not being able to get educated is massive, right.

840
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: So the whole point here is that people are concerned

841
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: about across the Northern Territory. Doesn't matter whether you're living

842
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: in a remote community or in an urban setting is

843
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: they want the crime and the public safety to be sorted.

844
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 2: Katie.

845
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 5: When there was a huge upheaval in Alice Springs, it

846
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 5: got to obviously a crisis point and the government made

847
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 5: the decision to have a curfew. I would say this community,

848
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 5: this is more than once. This community what I am

849
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 5: flying into daily River and around Peppi and Emu that

850
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 5: there should I can't say you can have a curfew

851
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 5: because that's it's a different situation. But there's a crisis

852
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 5: point now operating out there. Families are fleeing and living

853
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 5: on taps.

854
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 6: Adelaide River.

855
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 5: Camping grounds and showgrounds have been used before to rehabilitate

856
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 5: and have people there staying emergency situations. The government should

857
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 5: be acting pronto to get this sorted. And if that

858
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,760
Speaker 5: means going in and arresting a whole cohort of people,

859
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 5: you know it will all so be it and putting

860
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 5: them somewhere such that they are they can't continue the

861
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 5: fact that that fellow's got an arrow through his abdomen.

862
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 5: That's a stolen arrow, you know, that's been stolen from

863
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 5: that shop that somewhere, those businesses on the studio, Mitchell's

864
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 5: or wherever, and that has happened time and time again.

865
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 5: Those businesses have been broken into and still in crossbows

866
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 5: and compound bows which are more dangerous, and knives, et cetera.

867
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 6: And it's always that community. The stolen cars and darwin

868
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 6: always end up at that community.

869
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 5: So why isn't the government through the police when the

870
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 5: police can do what they do, but the government should be.

871
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 6: Directing just round them up and just sort it out.

872
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 7: There's been understanding you think that there would be a

873
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 7: lot more to people there that get committing those offenses.

874
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 3: So that's my understanding that the police are down there

875
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 3: at the moment. It is completely not acceptable because it's

876
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 3: as I said, there might be families who are in

877
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 3: disagreements and having blues and committing crime and doing against

878
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 3: each other and completely off the trolley as far as

879
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,959
Speaker 3: what we would accept as acceptable behavior. But there's also

880
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 3: a lot of other people living there around them.

881
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not the victims.

882
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 3: They're victims of it. So so we get the first

883
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 3: the first pro and I understand they and then they've

884
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:40,919
Speaker 3: made a rest, and they'll continue to make a rest

885
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 3: when they if they find other people who have broken

886
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 3: the law, and so they should and so those people

887
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 3: should be locked up for a long time depending.

888
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 2: On what they get. The revolving door of the bail out.

889
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 6: They go in, they go out, they go.

890
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: Well, look, let's take a very quick break. Well, you

891
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 1: are listening to Mix one O four point ninety is

892
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,439
Speaker 1: the week that was. There's been so much happened this week,

893
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: but I tell you was. I think the story that

894
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:07,240
Speaker 1: made everybody smile this week was when the million dollar

895
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 1: fish finally got came. Was so good and a die

896
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,760
Speaker 1: hard top end fishes late night Barrow, Monday Hall, Well

897
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: it landed him not only a feed, but a million bucks.

898
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 1: And and how wonderful Keegan Payne, this nineteen year old

899
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 1: from Catherine.

900
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 2: He was such a lovely young bloke as well.

901
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: When we spoke to him, he'd said on the on

902
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 1: the line on whatever day it was, it feels like

903
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: it was a week ago now, but he'd said on

904
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: the line that half of it his dad was going

905
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: to manage for him. He's he was looking at a

906
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 1: new boach and also possibly a car.

907
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 2: So it was good good news story. Fish. He's kept

908
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 2: it with him.

909
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 5: Fish, wouldn't He's going to be undersplapped the music if somebody.

910
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 2: Had suggested that it go to the cat is there

911
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 2: a Catherine Museum.

912
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: That it go to the Cafe museum rather than the

913
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: one up here in Darwin.

914
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 5: But good good on him his family, you know, and

915
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 5: good that it was a territory.

916
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 6: Notarily. I mean, I wouldn't have an issue someone for

917
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 6: me to state.

918
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 5: But at least it's an incentive now because the people

919
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 5: are getting a bit jaded, you know, I really actually

920
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 5: there's a million dollar fish out there?

921
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 3: But great was it that his sister he actually saw

922
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 3: the tag.

923
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 6: He was too busy just catching the fish.

924
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 5: But I think one thing that has to get sort

925
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 5: of because what happened last week or before a family

926
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 5: out in the rule there they did catch a fish

927
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 5: with a tag in it, but it was from last year.

928
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,720
Speaker 5: So the government needs to be clear and perhaps publicized,

929
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 5: what are the rules if you catch a fish from

930
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 5: the previous years?

931
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 3: So I don't catch fish SEP's.

932
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 2: Changed million dollars?

933
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 6: No, I will see.

934
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 5: And the other thing is someone tells me they're electronically

935
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 5: monitored or whatever digitally. I don't know, but I think

936
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 5: we need to get that clarified in the in the

937
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 5: what do you call it? The computer when you're register

938
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 5: and the rules, does it qualify or doesn't it?

939
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 7: Because a lot of them got changed that were tagged

940
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 7: from previous is to the ten thousand dollars times, but

941
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 7: I wasn't sure how many actually a million dollars.

942
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 6: Well then that tag should have got ten thousand there.

943
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 7: Because they said that there was about eighty or ninety No, no,

944
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 7: of course one hundred and ten thousand dollar fish.

945
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: We're still out so not all of them, but some

946
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: of them might think, and yeah, you're right, that's where

947
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 1: the computer needs to be clarified.

948
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 3: I think there's one young bloke in the territory that's

949
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 3: very happy with the rules.

950
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 8: It is really excited kating and you know nine Seasons

951
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 8: on of course, and it was the seal Pe that

952
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 8: brought that initiative in. And I have to say that

953
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 8: because fish it's all about fishing is such a big territory.

954
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,399
Speaker 2: But you know, I Justatie nine.

955
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 6: I know who came up with the concept, and it

956
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 6: wasn't a politician.

957
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 8: I love about this is that not all ideas come

958
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 8: from politicians. The territori ands that we take on board

959
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 8: their ideas well.

960
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 5: So I'm putting it out there. I don't know how

961
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 5: you tag them, but you've got to do what people

962
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 5: are saying. Million dollar pig.

963
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 6: We have not been so No, he wants a million

964
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 6: dollar peak hunting.

965
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 3: It was a million dollar clump of gamble game.

966
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 1: They could do something to this peak hunt. Yeah, there

967
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: could be something to this peak hunt. So it's worth

968
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: having a look at.

969
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 2: Look.

970
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: One of the other things I'm keen to discuss just

971
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: very quickly is this new hotel planned for the Darwin Waterfront.

972
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 1: It's reached a key milestone with a development agreement signed.

973
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: CEL Australia is going to be developing and operating the

974
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 1: Convention Center Hotel, which is going to boast two hundred and.

975
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 2: Thirty six rooms for corporate and leisure.

976
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 6: Yes, great idea.

977
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 5: Welcome to Singapore is I think it's I've got some

978
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 5: suggestions for names of this.

979
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 2: Hotel the Kesiopuric in Memoria, No, no, did yet.

980
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 5: I think it should be called the Litchfield Hotel in

981
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 5: memory of the Lichfield family who were pioneers in the

982
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 5: Northern Territory. Yeah, or it could be the Holt's Hotel.

983
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 5: Again again, that's a pioneering family. Morris Holt was part

984
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 5: of that family. Was the first curate of the Dangle Garden, So.

985
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 6: I think, you know, Lichfield a Holes should be seriously concerned.

986
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 6: And I might even write to the Chinese.

987
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 5: I'm not sure he's the Singaporean fellow to put these

988
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 5: suggestions to him.

989
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 3: This is why the Keasiers electrical missing, because she's always

990
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 3: finding an angle to try and support them. This is

991
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 3: what makes us such a good local member. So it's

992
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 3: been noted.

993
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 6: Mitcheler Holt's hotel. People listening a text into Katie which

994
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 6: you plus.

995
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 2: What you'd like, that's what you'd like.

996
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: Look, we'll take a very quick break before we wrap

997
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 1: up for this morning. You are listening to the week

998
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 1: that was well, that is just about it for us

999
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: this morning. We've well, we've had an interesting, great morning, Mark.

1000
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 2: How have you found it?

1001
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: Mate?

1002
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,439
Speaker 2: For your first time on the show, you know.

1003
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 11: You know it's I was going to say the things

1004
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 11: should have been fairly well under control when you have

1005
00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 11: two former speakers in the room. But I'm going to

1006
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 11: have to go back to Hailey and get debrief s

1007
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 11: extension about this whole this whole.

1008
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 12: Gay It is interesting, isn't it. It's always an interesting discussion.

1009
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,879
Speaker 12: There is no doubt about that well. Mark Monahan, thank

1010
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 12: you so much for your time this morning. Thanks for

1011
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 12: joining us. Georgie Dickerson, thank you so much for your

1012
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 12: time today. Cheesy appurreic, thank you for your time now.

1013
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 5: For all those people who want to do a run

1014
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 5: out of town. The Marrachai Market startup on Sunday morning

1015
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 5: at the Crobbery Pump the Tablish and it's nice and

1016
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 5: I can tell people listening the best chilies are grown

1017
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 5: in the Maracai region and there's there's usually chili sauces

1018
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 5: and chili plants on some.

1019
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,439
Speaker 6: They do have. There's a gentleman out there and he's white.

1020
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 6: They have the best chilies, so many varieties.

1021
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 2: How good.

1022
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: I like coming out your way and getting like a

1023
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:47,720
Speaker 1: big tub of honey.

1024
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, honey. Then you'd be sort of Andrew Chug

1025
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 6: might have honey there.

1026
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,280
Speaker 3: Whilst we're having free ads five hundred and forty seven

1027
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 3: masters swimmers in town at this week and cheer them on.

1028
00:46:58,800 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 2: They take some records.

1029
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: We should have told you that, Mark, you do get

1030
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: a free plug at the end of your yep, but

1031
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: just not nothing written and authorized by the ALP clear.

1032
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 8: Thank you, Thank you, Katie and I just want to

1033
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 8: remind everyone of these Greek Easter this weekend, so there's

1034
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 8: going to be a lot of activity.

1035
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 6: But remember that's blowing up of things.

1036
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 8: I was going to say for anyone who's in town

1037
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 8: that is not used to it and been here for

1038
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 8: Greek East, I think it's about midnight. There's a lot

1039
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 8: of explosive noises. You don't have to fear. It's all

1040
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,280
Speaker 8: under control. It's the Greek Easter celebration.

1041
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 1: He's awesome, wonderful stuff, the things out there that have

1042
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:35,240
Speaker 1: a wonderful weekend.

1043
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 2: Thank you all so much for your time this morning.