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Speaker 1: Slash beerz Black Magic Woman Podcast acknowledges the traditional owners

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Speaker 1: to pay our respects to our elders past and present

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Speaker 1: and acknowledged that this always was Aboriginal land and always

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Black Magic Woman Podcast with Mondonara Baal.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of the Black Magic Woman Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I am here on the beautiful lands of the Gadiger

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Speaker 1: I've shared this often on the podcast whenever I'm recording

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Speaker 1: I'm here, I feel like I'm home. Even though I

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Speaker 1: I actually just was online with Bank West mob Delivery

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Speaker 1: training and I said, you not going to believe who

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Speaker 1: who has heard of NARALDA Jacobs and all of these hands.

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Speaker 3: Went well, as a West Australian company, there you go,

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Speaker 3: But well, first of all, thank you Mondon Nara. I've

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Speaker 4: Up for this podcast.

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Speaker 3: Diary, that's right, So I'm so happy that this has happened.

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Speaker 4: I'm from Borlo, Perth, born.

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Speaker 1: And that's the most important thing, right is you know,

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Speaker 3: Yes, And the right people need to be contributors and

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to say this to everyone. I fear

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Speaker 3: it's seen through a certain lens. When we see people

441
00:23:12,471 --> 00:23:15,791
Speaker 3: who are tasered. You know, why would we care about

442
00:23:16,231 --> 00:23:18,991
Speaker 3: someone who's tasted and then not somebody else who's tasted,

443
00:23:19,111 --> 00:23:23,791
Speaker 3: you know, So the lenses are applied, whether we like

444
00:23:23,871 --> 00:23:27,751
Speaker 3: it or not. So we should be black fellows as journo's.

445
00:23:27,951 --> 00:23:30,111
Speaker 3: We need to start telling the stories. To be in

446
00:23:30,151 --> 00:23:32,231
Speaker 3: there and tell the stories and apply our lens to

447
00:23:32,271 --> 00:23:32,751
Speaker 3: the story.

448
00:23:32,871 --> 00:23:36,711
Speaker 1: That's so important for our mom to take up these spaces. Yes,

449
00:23:37,231 --> 00:23:40,671
Speaker 1: as journalists as well to be able to communicate from

450
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Speaker 1: a black lens or from our perspective, especially when it's

451
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Speaker 1: part of our lived experience.

452
00:23:45,831 --> 00:23:53,631
Speaker 3: Totally, because lived experience trumps everything else, everything else lived experience.

453
00:23:53,671 --> 00:23:57,151
Speaker 3: I mean, Canberra Parliament House would be a different place

454
00:23:57,191 --> 00:24:01,831
Speaker 3: if everybody was there based on their lived experience and

455
00:24:01,951 --> 00:24:03,911
Speaker 3: who have that lived experience to be able to help

456
00:24:03,951 --> 00:24:07,151
Speaker 3: the rest of the country in creating the policy that

457
00:24:07,191 --> 00:24:09,071
Speaker 3: could that can help the rest of the country.

458
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Speaker 4: It would lived experience. It trumps everything else. I can't.

459
00:24:12,631 --> 00:24:14,151
Speaker 4: I can't say it any any other way.

460
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Speaker 3: So when you apply your lived experience to everything, then

461
00:24:17,471 --> 00:24:18,511
Speaker 3: it's always.

462
00:24:18,191 --> 00:24:20,911
Speaker 4: Going to be from a very authentic place of course.

463
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's going to say you're going to get the

464
00:24:22,831 --> 00:24:24,951
Speaker 1: best of the best ye and apply that.

465
00:24:25,271 --> 00:24:27,511
Speaker 3: Yeah, because that's what people are looking for. That's what

466
00:24:27,551 --> 00:24:29,991
Speaker 3: the Voice to Parliament is all about. Is it's about

467
00:24:30,231 --> 00:24:32,711
Speaker 3: what is your lived experience like and how can we

468
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Speaker 3: improve outcomes for every for everyone, for all of us

469
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Speaker 3: all more.

470
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you're getting a lot when you're

471
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Speaker 1: just in terms of the Voice to Parliament, Are you

472
00:24:40,351 --> 00:24:44,111
Speaker 1: finding any online even with your own kind of socials?

473
00:24:44,111 --> 00:24:48,911
Speaker 1: Are you finding a lot of negativity? And if you are.

474
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Speaker 1: I would love for you to share, how are you

475
00:24:51,551 --> 00:24:52,631
Speaker 1: looking at yourself?

476
00:24:52,871 --> 00:24:56,151
Speaker 4: I I you know, I get my fair share of trolling.

477
00:24:56,311 --> 00:25:00,471
Speaker 3: But I'm in a very unique position because I am

478
00:25:00,791 --> 00:25:03,471
Speaker 3: a presenter on TV and I have to be impartial

479
00:25:04,031 --> 00:25:08,311
Speaker 3: and I have to ask the questions. So for that reason,

480
00:25:08,431 --> 00:25:10,991
Speaker 3: I can't put forward my position. I can't take a

481
00:25:11,031 --> 00:25:13,431
Speaker 3: stance on the boys to Parliament. I'm not telling people

482
00:25:13,431 --> 00:25:16,591
Speaker 3: to vote yes or to vote no. Therefore no one

483
00:25:16,671 --> 00:25:18,471
Speaker 3: is actually coming after me.

484
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Speaker 1: It's this really interesting. It's a really position. You know

485
00:25:22,431 --> 00:25:24,671
Speaker 1: that people they're.

486
00:25:24,511 --> 00:25:29,031
Speaker 3: Still coming after me because as much as I try

487
00:25:29,071 --> 00:25:30,911
Speaker 3: to be impartial, you.

488
00:25:30,991 --> 00:25:33,631
Speaker 4: Still cop it. Yeah, you still cop it.

489
00:25:33,711 --> 00:25:36,751
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm a I'm in quite a quite a

490
00:25:36,791 --> 00:25:40,031
Speaker 3: unique position where I have a platform to be able

491
00:25:40,111 --> 00:25:44,351
Speaker 3: to share information and ask the questions that need.

492
00:25:44,231 --> 00:25:48,471
Speaker 1: To be asked and people to then make an informed decision.

493
00:25:48,111 --> 00:25:51,591
Speaker 3: And fact check on the run, you know, which which

494
00:25:51,631 --> 00:25:53,671
Speaker 3: is really important to be able to fact check people

495
00:25:53,951 --> 00:25:56,031
Speaker 3: when they've got it wrong, of course.

496
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Speaker 1: But I want to end with this, especially you know

497
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Speaker 1: what's going on in this country right now, which we

498
00:26:00,591 --> 00:26:04,591
Speaker 1: do know that the referendum is coming up. Some kind

499
00:26:04,631 --> 00:26:09,791
Speaker 1: of advice you'd give, especially our mob in terms of

500
00:26:09,791 --> 00:26:13,111
Speaker 1: looking after themselves. I know that I seen Nakida Ridgeway

501
00:26:13,271 --> 00:26:18,031
Speaker 1: on LinkedIn recently, just you know, promoting one three yarn. Yes,

502
00:26:18,191 --> 00:26:22,071
Speaker 1: high rates of online trolls and what would you say,

503
00:26:22,231 --> 00:26:24,231
Speaker 1: a lot of our moms that are listening or watching.

504
00:26:23,911 --> 00:26:27,151
Speaker 3: This y you you will be very pleased to know

505
00:26:27,511 --> 00:26:30,911
Speaker 3: that your voice and Stan's voice came at a very

506
00:26:30,951 --> 00:26:35,031
Speaker 3: important time for me. So I was on a plane

507
00:26:35,071 --> 00:26:38,031
Speaker 3: and this was it was actually months after you had

508
00:26:38,111 --> 00:26:41,271
Speaker 3: your yarn with Stan dropped on this podcast, and I

509
00:26:41,311 --> 00:26:45,551
Speaker 3: was on a plane and I I really needed to

510
00:26:45,591 --> 00:26:47,511
Speaker 3: hear everything that you need that you had to say.

511
00:26:47,711 --> 00:26:50,471
Speaker 3: So and the thing that cut through the most and

512
00:26:50,511 --> 00:26:53,871
Speaker 3: gave me most comfort was the question that you asked

513
00:26:53,911 --> 00:26:57,511
Speaker 3: to stand and he said, it is hard. It is

514
00:26:57,591 --> 00:27:03,631
Speaker 3: hard at the moment, and hearing that validation a firm

515
00:27:03,751 --> 00:27:06,191
Speaker 3: how I was feeling and that it was okay to

516
00:27:06,311 --> 00:27:09,311
Speaker 3: feel like what I was going through was a struggle

517
00:27:10,271 --> 00:27:13,071
Speaker 3: because you know, and he was speaking directly to first

518
00:27:13,071 --> 00:27:15,271
Speaker 3: stations journals. I don't know who were you thinking of

519
00:27:15,351 --> 00:27:18,231
Speaker 3: when you asked him at that question, what's your advice

520
00:27:18,271 --> 00:27:20,871
Speaker 3: to other first stations journos in newsrooms?

521
00:27:20,871 --> 00:27:22,591
Speaker 4: And they might be the only one. And he said,

522
00:27:23,151 --> 00:27:26,271
Speaker 4: just know that it is hard, and I was like, oh,

523
00:27:26,671 --> 00:27:29,711
Speaker 4: how does he know? How do you know? I was

524
00:27:29,711 --> 00:27:34,271
Speaker 4: looking at that flying going, oh my goodness talking to me,

525
00:27:34,991 --> 00:27:35,911
Speaker 4: That's what it felt like.

526
00:27:36,191 --> 00:27:41,071
Speaker 3: And so you have to find those moments. Listen to podcasts.

527
00:27:41,071 --> 00:27:43,911
Speaker 3: There's so many podcasts out there that could be a comfort.

528
00:27:43,951 --> 00:27:48,871
Speaker 3: There's information out there. Last night Karina told me don't

529
00:27:48,911 --> 00:27:50,671
Speaker 3: look at Twitter before you go to sleep, because I

530
00:27:50,671 --> 00:27:52,151
Speaker 3: was looking at Twitter or X.

531
00:27:52,431 --> 00:27:55,631
Speaker 4: I was looking and she was like, put it down,

532
00:27:56,671 --> 00:27:59,991
Speaker 4: put the phone down, so that I cleaned my head.

533
00:28:00,191 --> 00:28:06,671
Speaker 1: I don't have Facebook, my personal Instagram, or Twitter on

534
00:28:06,711 --> 00:28:11,111
Speaker 1: my phone, so obviously I don't. I don't have it

535
00:28:11,151 --> 00:28:11,511
Speaker 1: on my phone.

536
00:28:11,511 --> 00:28:12,111
Speaker 4: Oh wow.

537
00:28:12,431 --> 00:28:17,311
Speaker 1: So my advice to look after my own mental health

538
00:28:17,751 --> 00:28:20,271
Speaker 1: and to be present with my kids and not let

539
00:28:20,311 --> 00:28:24,031
Speaker 1: all of this outside noise consume me. I get asked

540
00:28:24,071 --> 00:28:26,911
Speaker 1: about the voice every minute of the day. I deliver

541
00:28:27,031 --> 00:28:30,431
Speaker 1: training culture, capital of Training. Well, every question is what's

542
00:28:30,511 --> 00:28:33,071
Speaker 1: my stance? And I always said, same as you.

543
00:28:33,671 --> 00:28:36,271
Speaker 3: What Monday we can do in an hour will change

544
00:28:37,111 --> 00:28:40,711
Speaker 3: an organization's trajectory. Let me just say that I've seen

545
00:28:40,711 --> 00:28:42,711
Speaker 3: you in action. Mandad it's incredible.

546
00:28:42,631 --> 00:28:47,631
Speaker 1: Surrenders on the first Nations Advisory for Football Australia in Australia,

547
00:28:47,751 --> 00:28:50,391
Speaker 1: and we got to watch a game the Materialities, which

548
00:28:50,431 --> 00:28:52,551
Speaker 1: was amazing. And then I saw you at the book

549
00:28:52,591 --> 00:28:56,711
Speaker 1: festival down here Taylor read and Stand Yes Spoke, which

550
00:28:56,751 --> 00:28:59,671
Speaker 1: was unbelievable, and then got to hang out at the

551
00:28:59,671 --> 00:29:01,951
Speaker 1: pub down here and just have a feed.

552
00:29:02,231 --> 00:29:06,311
Speaker 3: Yep. So I think of those moments that look and

553
00:29:06,471 --> 00:29:09,391
Speaker 3: something that Sand says a lot is that when he

554
00:29:09,471 --> 00:29:12,351
Speaker 3: needs it the most, the ancestors will put someone in

555
00:29:12,391 --> 00:29:15,991
Speaker 3: front of him, like you or like Tila walking down.

556
00:29:15,911 --> 00:29:17,751
Speaker 4: Their beach, you know, because they both.

557
00:29:17,671 --> 00:29:19,111
Speaker 1: Had dinner with Tila last night.

558
00:29:19,271 --> 00:29:20,751
Speaker 4: Wow oh I saw.

559
00:29:22,671 --> 00:29:24,631
Speaker 1: So he reached out to me and said can we

560
00:29:24,631 --> 00:29:26,991
Speaker 1: have a yarn? I'm like, oh my god, and I

561
00:29:26,991 --> 00:29:28,351
Speaker 1: would love to have a yan with you.

562
00:29:28,591 --> 00:29:30,511
Speaker 3: And then the other day, like Karina and I are

563
00:29:30,551 --> 00:29:33,791
Speaker 3: at Spice Alli, like a food area, and it was

564
00:29:33,831 --> 00:29:35,831
Speaker 3: a weird time to day. It was like five o'clock

565
00:29:35,831 --> 00:29:38,071
Speaker 3: in the afternoon, four o'clock in the afternoon and Amy

566
00:29:38,111 --> 00:29:42,871
Speaker 3: Tunic was there with Amy's husband Luke, and I hadn't

567
00:29:42,871 --> 00:29:45,911
Speaker 3: seen them for ages, you know, So we set sit

568
00:29:46,031 --> 00:29:47,791
Speaker 3: together and eat and have a great yarn, and we

569
00:29:47,831 --> 00:29:51,791
Speaker 3: catch up that they are random people that you bump

570
00:29:51,871 --> 00:29:54,511
Speaker 3: into that the ancestors know that you need to see

571
00:29:54,511 --> 00:29:56,951
Speaker 3: them in that moment, you know, so, so you have

572
00:29:56,991 --> 00:30:00,711
Speaker 3: to be open to seeing those things. Like when that happens,

573
00:30:00,711 --> 00:30:05,271
Speaker 3: you can easily walk past the person. Yeah, but it's

574
00:30:05,271 --> 00:30:06,591
Speaker 3: happened for a reason, you know.

575
00:30:06,711 --> 00:30:07,791
Speaker 4: Just let it, let it breathe.

576
00:30:07,991 --> 00:30:10,471
Speaker 1: I know. I literally I remember when I run into

577
00:30:10,471 --> 00:30:12,111
Speaker 1: at the pub because I thought I was going to

578
00:30:12,191 --> 00:30:16,111
Speaker 1: see you at the book thing, and I end up

579
00:30:16,111 --> 00:30:19,391
Speaker 1: giving your T shirt to someone, your Black Magical my

580
00:30:19,471 --> 00:30:22,071
Speaker 1: T shirt. And I said to them, by the way,

581
00:30:22,111 --> 00:30:24,311
Speaker 1: this was from Norelda Jacobs and like, oh my god,

582
00:30:24,311 --> 00:30:26,751
Speaker 1: you're giving it to me. And I was like, yes,

583
00:30:26,831 --> 00:30:29,071
Speaker 1: it's all good. I'll see Narrelda again and I'll hook

584
00:30:29,111 --> 00:30:33,151
Speaker 1: her up. And they could not believe your T shirt.

585
00:30:33,991 --> 00:30:36,551
Speaker 1: So remind me. I'm going to send you a tea

586
00:30:36,671 --> 00:30:39,231
Speaker 1: so you can represent. But I just want to say,

587
00:30:39,751 --> 00:30:43,431
Speaker 1: finally we're able to jump on here and have this yarn.

588
00:30:44,071 --> 00:30:46,111
Speaker 1: If there's anything that you want to share with anyone,

589
00:30:46,471 --> 00:30:48,791
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be about the referendum, going to be

590
00:30:48,831 --> 00:30:50,711
Speaker 1: about the work that you're doing. Is there anything in

591
00:30:50,751 --> 00:30:52,991
Speaker 1: the pipeline? Is anything that you want to share with us?

592
00:30:52,991 --> 00:30:55,911
Speaker 1: So you haven't? Ah? Can they hear it here? Not?

593
00:30:56,151 --> 00:30:57,231
Speaker 1: Well that magic woman?

594
00:30:57,351 --> 00:30:57,991
Speaker 4: Oh gosh.

595
00:30:58,031 --> 00:31:03,271
Speaker 3: I mean there's always things. You'll be the first to act,

596
00:31:03,831 --> 00:31:07,071
Speaker 3: will be the first to no. There's so much going on.

597
00:31:07,391 --> 00:31:11,191
Speaker 3: But I think it's just really important.

598
00:31:11,551 --> 00:31:12,151
Speaker 1: You know, we're.

599
00:31:13,591 --> 00:31:16,391
Speaker 3: Moving from Perth to Sydney. Was was quite a big move,

600
00:31:16,591 --> 00:31:20,151
Speaker 3: you know, going into the unknown. Leaving an amazing job

601
00:31:20,591 --> 00:31:23,991
Speaker 3: as the newsreader for for a capital city of Perth

602
00:31:24,031 --> 00:31:27,791
Speaker 3: and then moving into the unknown was huge. But it

603
00:31:27,911 --> 00:31:30,671
Speaker 3: was a willingness to kind of step outside your comfort zone.

604
00:31:30,831 --> 00:31:33,271
Speaker 3: And then from that then it was just saying yes

605
00:31:33,311 --> 00:31:35,191
Speaker 3: to things and yes to things and meeting people and

606
00:31:35,231 --> 00:31:39,991
Speaker 3: making friends and making friends with you and locking Teala

607
00:31:40,071 --> 00:31:41,631
Speaker 3: down and making friends with Tila.

608
00:31:41,711 --> 00:31:46,551
Speaker 4: You know that's hard to crack, mind you.

609
00:31:46,791 --> 00:31:49,031
Speaker 1: She reached out to me and I told her last sight,

610
00:31:49,071 --> 00:31:50,951
Speaker 1: I said, thank you for being tenderal with your time.

611
00:31:51,271 --> 00:31:54,071
Speaker 1: I'm like, Taylor, I can believe you text me. I'm

612
00:31:54,351 --> 00:31:55,591
Speaker 1: thank you for being generous with you.

613
00:31:55,871 --> 00:31:58,831
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's just saying yes to things and being

614
00:31:58,911 --> 00:32:02,271
Speaker 3: open to things. If you're open to things, then new

615
00:32:02,351 --> 00:32:05,271
Speaker 3: experiences will happen, and that experience lead to the next

616
00:32:05,271 --> 00:32:07,831
Speaker 3: opportunity and then a bigger thing and a bigger thing,

617
00:32:07,911 --> 00:32:10,631
Speaker 3: and then before you know it, you have this incredible

618
00:32:10,631 --> 00:32:13,791
Speaker 3: network of people of movers and shakers, people who are

619
00:32:13,871 --> 00:32:16,431
Speaker 3: changing the world, you know, and then you are in

620
00:32:16,471 --> 00:32:19,591
Speaker 3: the right place to be able to use your influence,

621
00:32:19,631 --> 00:32:22,591
Speaker 3: to be able to influence everybody around you, you know.

622
00:32:22,791 --> 00:32:26,231
Speaker 3: So that is powerful, It's really powerful. But it starts

623
00:32:26,351 --> 00:32:28,271
Speaker 3: with a single step. I mean, I know how cliche

624
00:32:28,311 --> 00:32:30,391
Speaker 3: that that is, but it does start with a single step.

625
00:32:30,471 --> 00:32:33,911
Speaker 3: And we all have the confidence on the inside to

626
00:32:34,351 --> 00:32:37,511
Speaker 3: change the world. We just need to take that step

627
00:32:37,551 --> 00:32:39,471
Speaker 3: and to say yes and be open to things and

628
00:32:40,991 --> 00:32:44,511
Speaker 3: make connections with people like you who you can mentor

629
00:32:44,711 --> 00:32:46,711
Speaker 3: of course you know, and I think especially for us

630
00:32:46,751 --> 00:32:49,911
Speaker 3: as black women, that you know, there's not a lot

631
00:32:49,911 --> 00:32:51,391
Speaker 3: of young people, you.

632
00:32:51,351 --> 00:32:54,951
Speaker 1: Know, in our communities that have those role models that

633
00:32:54,991 --> 00:32:55,711
Speaker 1: they can look up to.

634
00:32:55,991 --> 00:32:56,071
Speaker 3: You.

635
00:32:56,271 --> 00:32:59,191
Speaker 1: Some are living in remote communities, some are still you know,

636
00:32:59,351 --> 00:33:01,231
Speaker 1: some are here in Redfern. Yeah, and I know a

637
00:33:01,271 --> 00:33:03,231
Speaker 1: lot of my nephews and nieces like to see them

638
00:33:03,231 --> 00:33:06,831
Speaker 1: mom and go to work or studying like it's a

639
00:33:06,831 --> 00:33:08,751
Speaker 1: big deal. But for a lot of non actual fanilis,

640
00:33:08,791 --> 00:33:11,311
Speaker 1: it's normal, and so just to be that kind of

641
00:33:12,231 --> 00:33:13,511
Speaker 1: person that they look up.

642
00:33:13,431 --> 00:33:16,511
Speaker 3: To and find someone who has faith in you, because

643
00:33:16,511 --> 00:33:18,591
Speaker 3: we don't always have faith in ourselves and we don't

644
00:33:18,591 --> 00:33:19,991
Speaker 3: often step up to opportunities.

645
00:33:20,031 --> 00:33:20,791
Speaker 4: We have to be pushed in.

646
00:33:21,111 --> 00:33:23,191
Speaker 3: And I was one of those people who had to

647
00:33:23,191 --> 00:33:27,751
Speaker 3: be pushed into opportunities because of people along the way

648
00:33:27,751 --> 00:33:28,671
Speaker 3: who've had faith in me.

649
00:33:28,871 --> 00:33:32,071
Speaker 1: So look where you want to thank you killing it,

650
00:33:32,471 --> 00:33:35,711
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you now, especially for my daughter Tiger

651
00:33:35,711 --> 00:33:38,151
Speaker 1: Lily and my big girl there's Kasaiah as well. But

652
00:33:38,231 --> 00:33:43,751
Speaker 1: for Tiger Lily to see you on the news living

653
00:33:43,751 --> 00:33:46,591
Speaker 1: in a very white neighborhood, you know, you can't be

654
00:33:46,671 --> 00:33:50,351
Speaker 1: what you can't see. And she wants to be on TV, right.

655
00:33:51,711 --> 00:33:55,231
Speaker 1: She's someone that is really proud of her culture, and

656
00:33:55,271 --> 00:33:57,991
Speaker 1: she's like you, she wants me to go and tell

657
00:33:58,031 --> 00:34:01,231
Speaker 1: the class and tell the kids about being a Murray

658
00:34:02,391 --> 00:34:06,471
Speaker 1: tell the as well. And I've done it with all

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Speaker 1: that I know, and I probably didn't think at the

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Speaker 1: time meant a lot to my kids until you started

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Speaker 1: talking about it. I started thinking about my kids, and

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Speaker 1: I spent four days with them, so I'm not getting emotional.

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Speaker 1: I spent four days with them here in Sydney. But

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Speaker 1: I just want to say, you know everything that you

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Speaker 1: do and for how you you know you are, what

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Speaker 1: you get is what you see, and you are real.

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Speaker 1: And for some of us, some of us might think

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Speaker 1: that we need to be one person in the western

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Speaker 1: world of white color world, and then we need to

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Speaker 1: be our true selves in our communities. We don't have

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Speaker 1: to know we're walking in these two worlds, but we

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Speaker 1: can still be who we are in both of those

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Speaker 1: spaces totally. I think that's what I want my kids

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Speaker 1: to grow up. I want them to realize that they

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Speaker 1: don't need to change who they are because they're the

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Speaker 1: only black kids in their school and they don't need

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Speaker 1: to be anything but themselves. But that's hard, right.

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Speaker 3: And we can't afford to because our entire community rely

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Speaker 3: on that, depend on that. Otherwise we would just be

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Speaker 3: the status quo if we fit in and if we

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Speaker 3: compromised ourselves too much and we compromise our culture. We

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Speaker 3: can't compromise. We can be in the rooms to change it.

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Speaker 3: That for some people is a compromise, but that's where

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Speaker 3: it ends.

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Speaker 1: Look, I just want to keep you here or Dad,

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Speaker 1: but I know you've got somewhere else to go. I

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Speaker 1: just want to say thank you for all of the videos,

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Speaker 1: the laughs, keep sharing them, but yeah, I can't wait

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Speaker 1: to catch up again and just have a yeah, have

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Speaker 1: a feed with you here in Sydney. So thanks for

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Speaker 1: stopping in here.

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Speaker 4: Am I now a black magic woman.

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Speaker 1: You are a black magic Woman's certified, But thank you

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Speaker 1: for being you and I know that there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of us that look up to you, So thank you

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Speaker 1: for this an absolute inspiration.

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Speaker 3: Wandanaa thank you and the same to you. This podcast

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Speaker 3: brings a lot of comfort to a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. I literally could not believe they've finally got

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Speaker 1: Narelda on this podcast and not virtually or in the

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Speaker 1: same place at the same time, I was able to

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Speaker 1: make it happen. I really do hope that you've enjoyed

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Speaker 1: show notes in the episode description. A big shout out

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Speaker 1: watch and support our podcast. Your feedback means the world.

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