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Speaker 2: Take a LISTENCA made a decision to approve it for

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Speaker 2: It's a well needed service, but I think it's in

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Speaker 1: s't Vinnie's CEO, Rob Lasha. Good morning to you.

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Speaker 3: Rob, Hi Katie. How are you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Really good? Thank you so much for your time

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Speaker 4: this morning. Rob.

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Speaker 1: Now, firstly, why is Venie's moving from Stuart Park Because.

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Speaker 3: We've got the opportunity to redevelop the Stuart Park site.

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Speaker 3: We're looking at putting an affordable housing on that site,

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Speaker 3: so we need to look at moving. We want to

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Speaker 3: go to a permanent location as Brent had already just

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Speaker 3: find an interm place to go and that will be

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Speaker 1: Right, So in your opinion that move to Coconut Grove

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Speaker 3: It is totally an interim measure. We are using demountables,

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Speaker 1: Can you explain to our listeners what services are going

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Speaker 1: to be provided at that site at Coconut Growth yep.

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Speaker 3: So well, I and go through the what we're doing.

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Speaker 3: we have a general Adalbar providing health services and we

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Speaker 3: provide day services there. On average per year, we would

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Speaker 1: There is no doubt that it is a service that

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Speaker 4: Rob. When is it.

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Speaker 1: When are you going to be moving out of Stuart

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Speaker 3: Yep. So we're moving out and we're looking to move

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Speaker 1: Rob what's a long term plan you know for these services?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's a really good question. And what we're

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Speaker 3: We have been actively engaged with a Northern Territory government

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. Well, unfortunately the mechanisms can be very

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Speaker 1: Warick's just called through from Catherine saying he understands that

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Speaker 3: Rob, Yeah, no, I can't answer that question. You'll have

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Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing. We want to get it into

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Speaker 1: Somebody's just been in contact and said, what happens if

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Speaker 1: Where's ideal for you in terms of that site, Well, I.

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Speaker 1: And particularly when you're talking about that affordable housing too,

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Speaker 1: there needs to be options. So the issue is not

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, and we've got some solutions, you know.

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Speaker 3: Ending up, we're saying, hey, here's here's some solutions. Let's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, rob, Look, we are still getting a lot of

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Speaker 1: messages people coming through that are obviously in the area

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Speaker 1: that live in Stop, that live in Coconut Growth sorry,

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Speaker 1: or around the Nightcliff area, that are really quite concerned

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Speaker 4: Even criminal behavior.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it does sound like you're trying to do

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Speaker 3: Yep. And just for give you an idea, our clients

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Speaker 3: that use Bockenham House are generally middle aged adults. The

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Speaker 3: couples and families. There are older people, they're people of

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Speaker 3: health concerns, so you know, I mean that they may

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Speaker 3: those things, you know. So, and as I said, we

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Speaker 3: will work with Laroche Nation and the police on any

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Speaker 3: antisocial behavior that's outside you know, you know, we will

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Speaker 1: Rob, I really appreciate you having a chat with us

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Speaker 1: this morning. And as I've said, lots of messages coming through.

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Speaker 1: We've got lots of messages you know. Well, I've got

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Speaker 1: one here from Peter McMillan from Mt Shelter and he

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Speaker 1: said all the issues discussed on the program this morning

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Speaker 1: were well.

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Speaker 4: Aired at the DCA.

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Speaker 1: The umpire has given the decision that the development can

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Speaker 1: go ahead. It's time to get behind Vinnie so they

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Speaker 1: can get on with the business of helping those in need.

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Speaker 1: So thank you Peter for that message. And look, plenty

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Speaker 1: of other messages coming through. I know it sounds like

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Speaker 1: it's going to be a tough sort of juggle for

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Speaker 1: long term solution. So please keep in contact with us, Rob,

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Speaker 1: be really keen to find out how those discussions progress.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and don't forget we support the most marginalized and

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Speaker 3: vulnerable people in our community. That's our mantra, that's what

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Speaker 3: we do.

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Speaker 1: Well, Rob Lutter, I really appreciate you having a chat

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Speaker 1: with me this morning. Thank you so much for coming

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Speaker 1: on the show, and we'll talk to you soon.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Thanks Katie, thank you,