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Speaker 1: This is Outspoken. The podcast is not afraid to say

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Speaker 1: Sophie Torbor. We're identical triplets, but we often don't have

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Speaker 1: That is so fat, so cas. Firstly, welcome to Outspoken

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Speaker 1: and what a well winned the last couple of weeks

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Speaker 1: have been for you. You've gone from I suppose relatively

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Speaker 1: unknown on Matt seasons of The Bachelor to this year's

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Speaker 1: villain of course alongside Kieran. How has it been dealing

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Speaker 1: with all this attention?

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Speaker 2: First of all, thank you for having me on the show.

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Speaker 2: It has been absolutely nuts. It's been also so disheartening.

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Speaker 2: Everything that's come out of it has been completely different

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Speaker 2: to how I came out of FIGI I came out

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Speaker 2: on such a high, I met some great people, and

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Speaker 2: then watching it back. You know, when I came out,

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I'm not even worried about editing.

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Speaker 2: This is too positive to be worried about anything, And

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Speaker 2: then watching it it was just so disheartening. You know,

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Speaker 2: I've had some friends say to me that they enjoyed

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Speaker 2: watching it, because you know, friends that know my humor,

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Speaker 2: friends that could see what was edited, what was compounded,

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Speaker 2: what was not, say that they still enjoyed watching me.

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Speaker 2: But then I've had, you know, some friends stop watching

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Speaker 2: it saying that they were nervous for me.

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Speaker 3: So it's been it has been an absolute well wing.

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Speaker 1: We always think it's so important to hear both sides

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Speaker 1: of the story, of course, because there has been so

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Speaker 1: much said about you, But we kind of wanted to

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Speaker 1: start from the beginning because we'd love to hear how

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Speaker 1: you were actually first initially approached to be on Bachelor

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Speaker 1: in Paradise and sort of are you able to tell

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Speaker 1: us because I'm assuming there's lots of techniques the producers

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Speaker 1: used to sort of make you return on the show.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, So with the Bachelor, I, as you guys know,

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Speaker 2: I've got a jewelry brand. So I've spent years building

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Speaker 2: up my name to build my fine jewelry design business.

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Speaker 2: And in twenty eighteen, I was in Melbourne and I

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Speaker 2: met Loreena at my event, Lorena Fleur, who had been

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Speaker 2: on Bachelor in Paradise and The Bachelor and Lorena said

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Speaker 2: to me, She's like, why are you single? You're so lovely,

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Speaker 2: why are you single?

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Speaker 3: And so she put my name forward.

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Speaker 2: To casting, and me and my team that night, after

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Speaker 2: packing up after the event, we said, how funny this

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Speaker 2: actually is, something actually happens with this. And then then

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Speaker 2: in October I actually received a DM from casting for

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Speaker 2: the show and they said, hey, can we interview you whatnot?

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Speaker 2: And I said yeah, sure, And then from the interview,

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Speaker 2: they flew me to Melbourne and that's where I met Chelsea.

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Speaker 2: And then I made it through the first round, then

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Speaker 2: the second round, then the third and whatnot. So that's

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Speaker 2: how I got onto The Bachelor. And I remember saying

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Speaker 2: to my team members, I was like, you know, I said,

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Speaker 2: first of all, what's the lifehood of me meeting a

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Speaker 2: guy if there's this many girls? Because I'm quite eight looks,

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Speaker 2: I was already in my thirties. I was quite particular

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Speaker 2: about what I want and whatnot, I said, And they said,

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Speaker 2: you know what, the best outcome you could meet the

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Speaker 2: love of your life. The next outcome is you go

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Speaker 2: when you have a great time.

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Speaker 3: Their outcome is people.

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Speaker 2: Might recognize you and then might love the brand, and

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Speaker 3: Opportunity has come to you for a reason, go for it.

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Speaker 2: And that was my mentality as well. I thought, well,

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Speaker 2: the opportunity has come my way, let's do it. Went

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Speaker 2: fast forward to twenty and nineteen, the show is and

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Speaker 2: I was just like, you know, it was fine. It

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Speaker 2: and that's going nowhere. And I received a phone call

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Speaker 2: and I said, and I was basically like, well, that's

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Speaker 2: and we're like, hey, Cask, you know we've given you

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Speaker 2: He said no, but what do you think? And I

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Speaker 2: the meantime, I'm Mary. Mary said to me, come on,

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Speaker 2: Gus, what have you got to lose, which I look.

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Speaker 2: But and I said, all right, I'll go for a holiday.

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Speaker 2: And you know, people were saying to me, there's more

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Speaker 2: so I call him back and I said, you know what,

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Speaker 2: were like great. And that was that I knew Mary

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Speaker 1: And you touched on the money side of things. Are

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Speaker 1: you offered more money to appear in Bachelor in Paradise

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Speaker 2: Absolutely? Yes, yes you are. Now that I think about it,

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Speaker 2: I'm like, we good reason.

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Speaker 3: There's so much more at stake.

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Speaker 1: There, Oh for sure. I mean I heard, I think

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know how much alex Nation

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Speaker 2: But I could get, indeed trouble for talking about that.

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Speaker 1: But I wonder how much Kieran was offered.

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Speaker 2: Well, to be honest, he should have very well asked

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Speaker 1: Now. The first big storyline we saw you involved in

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Speaker 1: friendship with Renee, who of course had previously dated him.

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Speaker 1: Can you explain your relationship with Renee prior to the show.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, so, myself and Renee probably knew each other in

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Speaker 2: was actually, to be honest, we were friends on Facebook.

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Speaker 2: We went friends on Instagram, which I found odd because

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Speaker 2: told to unfollow each other. So we were essentially following

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Speaker 2: soon as publicity found out, they were like, everyone unfollow

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Speaker 2: from that, we just never picked it up. And I

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Speaker 2: I just I'm obviously the kind of person like I

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Speaker 2: I didn't think to do anything about it or to

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Speaker 2: From that, there must have been like only a handful

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Speaker 2: I'm just you know, if you talk to someone that

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Speaker 3: Her about what's happened.

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Speaker 2: So before Paradise, seaboard a ring for Kuran and had

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Speaker 1: They're saying eight hundred bucks or something. Didn't Kuran say.

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Speaker 2: had the day engraved. And the thing was Renee didn't

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Speaker 2: Me and Mary were very tight lipped about it. And

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Speaker 3: It's almost like a guarded thing.

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Speaker 2: Very. We've got that protective shell of you know, who

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Speaker 2: So me and Mary were very tight lipped about going

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Speaker 2: total surprise by her to see us there. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: taking a step back to meeting Kieran and the whole

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Speaker 2: abbey thing, so how the events unfolded so basically came

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Speaker 2: into paradise. I met Kieran. I thought he was a

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Speaker 2: great guy to be honest, guys like and we'll hash

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Speaker 2: on this, he's a guy in his twenties. I still

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Speaker 2: he's never done anything wrong by me. I judge people

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Speaker 2: on that, you know what I mean? So I still

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Speaker 2: I still think highly of Kieran, and I know that

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Speaker 2: in opposition towards a lot of what people are saying,

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Speaker 2: and we can touch on that soon. But I will

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Speaker 2: never I will never demean someone or speak badly of

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Speaker 2: someone that hasn't done something directly to me and who

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's so nice to actually be able to

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Speaker 3: So the box of truth.

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Speaker 2: So we all put questions in with the producers asked

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Speaker 2: So that's what happened. So basically the question was directed

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Speaker 3: So when we go for.

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Speaker 2: The chat, So yeah, it was quite it was quite cozy.

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Speaker 2: It was quite fun. It was my first, i think

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Speaker 2: It was so funny. They cut out where I said no.

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Speaker 2: The thing about it like I told you guys to

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Speaker 1: He's eight years younger than you as well.

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Speaker 2: He's yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not that we're judging because Sophie dates someone who's

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Speaker 2: Look, the only guys in my age group were like

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Speaker 2: I kind of didn't get to, you know, thirty four.

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Speaker 2: I said, I am quite particular in my dating life.

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Speaker 2: There's history there. That was all cut out, and all

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Speaker 2: I don't know how I feel about that conversation. It happened.

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Speaker 3: Things were cut, things were compounded.

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Speaker 2: You saw that. I said to him, Oh, I don't

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Speaker 2: know whether to go in for a hug, and he goes,

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Speaker 2: what about a kid? And me my natures just go here.

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Speaker 3: In real in real life, I've got.

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Speaker 2: A lot of guys that you know, do show interest

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Speaker 2: No? No, no, Like the thing is it all got

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Speaker 2: So to be honest, like, once that Buller banquet scene

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Speaker 2: she feel now for saying horrible things in such an

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Speaker 2: I think the whole thing behind this, guys, and I'm

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Speaker 1: Don't you love when you catch people out doing it?

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Speaker 2: why why are you putting your energy somewhere? You're not

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Speaker 3: She was going through a tough time after the break up.

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Speaker 3: Where it's coming from.

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Speaker 2: And I have to I have to forgive her for

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Speaker 2: but the fact that you know, we weren't even following

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there was nothing to kind of hold on too.

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Speaker 1: even if you guys could have a chat and talk

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00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,080
Speaker 1: it through and explain that this never happened, because it's

435
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,240
Speaker 1: so sad. I feel like where there's a fallout over

436
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,159
Speaker 1: a guy, and to be honest, Kieran wasn't portrayed in it,

437
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,119
Speaker 1: like Rene is definitely not over Kieran yet, though I

438
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 1: don't know obviously obviously it was filmed eight months it

439
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,880
Speaker 1: was if I'd only found this out today, I didn't

440
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,000
Speaker 1: realize it was only four weeks. You know, when they

441
00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 1: went to film Bachelor in Paradise, they'd broken up four

442
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 1: weeks ago, so that kind of explains a lot about

443
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:02,879
Speaker 1: what she was going through.

444
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, and I've even heard that she's asked him

445
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,040
Speaker 2: like did you kiss Caup And he's once again said no.

446
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:17,160
Speaker 2: So it's just I think it's this just not believing

447
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:19,160
Speaker 2: what's happened. I guess.

448
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,920
Speaker 1: So I can't blame her for not believing Kieran, though

449
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 1: he hasn't come across as the most trusty person, which

450
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:28,679
Speaker 1: blows my mind because so many of those things that

451
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 1: Kieren did were obviously filmed and he knew would come out.

452
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,919
Speaker 1: How did you how did you find Kieran's portrayal on

453
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 1: the show, because obviously you mentioned that you're still friends.

454
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, so look after how I've seen portrayed, particularly, I'm

455
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 2: quick to spot what's been edited and what's not and

456
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 2: when they're exaggerating things, compounding things, not showing, you know,

457
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,439
Speaker 2: not showing the parts where he did apologize to match

458
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:57,119
Speaker 2: and you know, I'm watching it going, man, you should

459
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 2: have walked off this show like after the first full

460
00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 2: of you know, being in there is a completely different

461
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 2: thing to now watching it. It's just like he got

462
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 2: hounded at those fuller banquets, hounded, So you can absolutely

463
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 2: see where you know, these looks that he's giving, he's

464
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 2: just over it. And then you take into account every

465
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 2: box fee, every interview, he's got to repeat himself. So

466
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 2: I literally I look at I was watching it going, cass,

467
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 2: you should have given up hope that anyone your age

468
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 2: was coming in and you should have just left, you

469
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 2: know what I mean. I wanted to stay in the

470
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 2: hope that someone great would come in. And now I'm

471
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 2: just like, man, you should have left, like week two,

472
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 2: you should have just walked out of there. So, yeah,

473
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 2: I can definitely see the editing and things. I can

474
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 2: see how it's coming across. I don't think anyone should

475
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,120
Speaker 2: be crucified if they don't toll the trolls like they

476
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 2: don't know the person. And on a personal level, I

477
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 2: think people shouldn't pass judgment on something that's supposed to

478
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 2: be entertaining, essentially a lack of home in a way.

479
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 2: We just now, really, that's right.

480
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 1: I was going to say, do you think that before

481
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,959
Speaker 1: all of you embarked on your journey in paradise as

482
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: they call it, do you think that they'd already set

483
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 1: their sights on making yourself and cure in the villains

484
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: of the show.

485
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 2: That's a good question, That's a really good question. So basically,

486
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 2: I've had a few people come to me and say,

487
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 2: CAAs like, we feel like you've actually been targeted via

488
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 2: the network and you will pigeonholed into this category and

489
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 2: that they you know, they might have done it purposely

490
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,640
Speaker 2: because you're strong, you've you've got you've built this and whatnot.

491
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 3: And I don't know, I'm so exhausted.

492
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 2: I don't actually even know what to make of that,

493
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 2: like whether I agree with it, whether I don't. I'm

494
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 2: just there's part of me that goes, huh, that makes sense,

495
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 2: and then there's part of me that goes, well, wait,

496
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 2: if they were pushing me towards Jackson, and Jackson was

497
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,640
Speaker 2: my better option at the time there so so our

498
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 2: own going for him. But if they were doing things

499
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 2: to kind of you know, things that just were being

500
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 2: said and what not to me, did they do it

501
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 2: because they did think we'd have a better connection, or

502
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 2: they did do it so it looked like I'm cutting

503
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 2: Britney's lunch and you know, being made to be that

504
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 2: way because the thing about me as well is I

505
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 2: don't make the first move with guys I'm very I

506
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 2: am a bit old school, and I do wait to

507
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 2: you know, to kind of for the guy to come forward.

508
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 2: So I do. I am left with a lot of questions,

509
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 2: like he wouldn't believe yeah, And I've had to really

510
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 2: in my mind just just put everything into its kind

511
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 2: of category and go was this is a personal attack?

512
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 2: Should I have.

513
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 3: Ever have done this?

514
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 2: What to do? Now? Will this affect that? So it's

515
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 2: been a lot to process. But when people come at

516
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 2: me and say that they feel that it was purposely done,

517
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 2: I go, oh, wow, was it? Yeah? So and in

518
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 2: regards to Kien, I would say I would definitely say

519
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,120
Speaker 2: the same thing. Who knows who knows whether you give

520
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 2: one inch and they take it a mile, whether they

521
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 2: knew he'd he'd kind of do that, and and would

522
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 2: be a bit understaffed, a lot understified in who he

523
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 2: wanted to continue with. So I just, yeah, I have

524
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 2: no idea. And it's tough to think that, you know,

525
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 2: some they would purposely set out to do that, but

526
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 2: I guess they've got a show to to make. It's

527
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 2: one of those things. Because I got along so well

528
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 2: with the cameraman and the producers, you know, speaking to

529
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 2: the producers sometimes was like speaking to a girlfriend, which

530
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 2: is how.

531
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 3: They get the most out of you.

532
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 2: Sometimes, Well, for the things that did actually come out

533
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 2: of my mouth, well.

534
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 1: That's the thing, you because you become so relaxed with

535
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: that person and you say things and then you know,

536
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: because Sof and I've we've worked as producers on TV shows,

537
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: it was RBT, so it was a little bit different

538
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: to The Bachelor. But you know, you're meant to you know,

539
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: you're told to befriend people and to you know, because

540
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: it gets people to say things and feel comfortable around you.

541
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: So the producers obviously did a great job, but it's

542
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 1: hard when some of those grubs are taken out of context.

543
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 1: Because we were speaking to Jane from Bachelor in Paradise

544
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 1: and she was saying how they do kind of cut

545
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 1: to the chase. So you might have said, oh, I

546
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: do you know, this person's really nice, but they're not

547
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 1: for me. But they'll just show they're not for me.

548
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Oh, they cut out in every single time that

549
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 2: I said Kieran is a great guy, but it's just

550
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 2: a friend thing for me. I've just seen as a friend.

551
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 2: They Yeah, there's just so much and then so many

552
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 2: things that get compounded, backstories to things as well. So

553
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 2: it's just like, honestly, I feel like there's a there's

554
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 2: a story for everything, and I don't I don't want

555
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 2: to be one of those people that is like, ah editing, editing,

556
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 2: but it is freaking editor. It's like what I can't

557
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 2: I can only take claims of the things that came

558
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 2: out of my mouth. And and so you know people

559
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 2: that are on the show that got a good edit

560
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 2: that are saying, oh, oh yeah, just saying it's bet

561
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 2: a thing. It's like, well, you would say that you

562
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 2: got to fine edit, you were fine.

563
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: Kira came out in your defense and she was very

564
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: vocal on an instant story, and she actually labeled the

565
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 1: editing process as unfair, and she said, people behind the

566
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: show are the real villains. You said that you had

567
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: a good relationship, but do you actually see sort of

568
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: I suppose do you look at the people differently now

569
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: that have put the show together?

570
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 2: I dow, yeah, yeah, I do. Look, they've got they do.

571
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 2: That's their job though. But I even had a crush

572
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 2: on one of the producers really, so so I was like, gosh,

573
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 2: it's gorgeous and so and they knew to put him

574
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 2: with me time because that's when I was giving the

575
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 2: most stuff, and you know, he would do the funniest

576
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 2: things and I would laugh and then I'd continue the

577
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 2: conversation and yeah, and so I think there were two

578
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 2: actual times I feel like what was aired too. Out

579
00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 2: of everything that got aired, there were two things that

580
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 2: came out of my mouth, and I'm like, I completely

581
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 2: own that, and you could just I just honestly, I

582
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 2: remember the things that he did to make me kind

583
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 2: of go, you know, go down this rabbit hole of

584
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,959
Speaker 2: you know, but it is what it is. It was

585
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 2: like talking to a girlfriend almost, so you take ownership

586
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 2: of that. You're just just more like my back experience.

587
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 2: I wasn't ed because I never purposely would say anything

588
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 2: to the camera about anyone, you know what I mean.

589
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 2: And that also happened in bits Au pat Bar a

590
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: couple of times.

591
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: Do they interview you when you've had a few drinks

592
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: as well? Is there any sort of those kind.

593
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 2: Of well, the thing is I don't actually drink.

594
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: Oh that's right. Sorry that I actually love that because

595
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: I don't drink either. And it was refreshing to hear

596
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: from someone who doesn't drink and.

597
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 2: Yay day, that's so good. You know what's funny is

598
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 2: they they brought it up a couple of times on

599
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 2: the show. I think there was one time Kieren getting

600
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 2: me a drink and I said, oh, make mine a mock.

601
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,239
Speaker 2: I haven't mocked our Pinutklada. And then it came up

602
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 2: another time when talking to Scottie. I was like, no, no,

603
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 2: I don't drink. And I thought to myself, I wonder

604
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 2: why they're showing that. And I remember that I know

605
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 2: there was a study recently done in Adelaide about how

606
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 2: they try to get people drunk on the show.

607
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: That's right.

608
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 2: I saw that, Yeah, and I think that I don't know,

609
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 2: I think that they purposely tried to put that. I

610
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 2: don't know. They either tried to make me look like

611
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 2: a bit more of a control freak, or it was

612
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 2: put in to just show that there's diversity in you know,

613
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 2: that not everyone is drinking on this show. Guys.

614
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 1: I saw someone writing the comments like, oh, she's no fun,

615
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: she doesn't even have a drink, And because I don't drink,

616
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: I was like, that is so rude, Like, you know,

617
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: I think it's just funny. The culture of drinking that

618
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: we have in Australia.

619
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 2: Just yeah, absolutely, which is why I think Brittany was

620
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 2: so much more relatable to people. Essentially, you're going to

621
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 2: side with someone that you can relate to, and she

622
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 2: definitely like, yeah, loved to have a good time and whatnot.

623
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 2: So I think that's why there was you know, there

624
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 2: was a great contrast between the person Brittany's and to

625
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 2: WHOAI am and whatnot, so they could very well play

626
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 2: on that. It all makes it all makes sense looking back,

627
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 2: Like I look back and I'm like, haha, you wanted

628
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 2: to me to say, like give me the opportunity to

629
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 2: say Jackson at the road ceremony. You wanted me to

630
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 2: have the date card first, and you know, oh yeah.

631
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: When I was watching that, I'm like, it's so clearly manipulated.

632
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: Of course they let you go before. Yeah, it's it's

633
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: so obvious to someone who's actually in tune with you know,

634
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: looking for those things, Like I feel like some people

635
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: watch these shows and just take everything for fact. It's

636
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: I know, I know.

637
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 2: Whereas when I was in there, I was like, because

638
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 2: you know, I had the producers like friends coming up

639
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 2: and going, you guys would make such a cute couple, and.

640
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, we bought.

641
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 2: He's a been too young for me though, like ten

642
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 2: years is a massive race for me, and I'm kind of.

643
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: In love with the producer. Did anything happen with me?

644
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: Did anything happened with the producer? Like have you hit

645
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: him up afterwards or anything? No? No.

646
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 2: On my last interview, I was like, hey, I was

647
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 2: like flting too my BM he lives in another state, though,

648
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 2: I was like floting bloody COVID, fling mine, go FLT

649
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 2: into mine, and I did and he never responded.

650
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: Maybe he felt bad about the editing.

651
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 2: Maybe he was exactly exactly, and he's got a girlfriend

652
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 2: now anyway, So I'm happy for him. That's beautiful. But yeah,

653
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 2: so exactly. I think he probably thought, oh, you're going

654
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,959
Speaker 2: to be a train wreck, like as you see this,

655
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 2: you're just going to get slaughtered.

656
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: So he probably How is your relationship with her now,

657
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: because obviously there was a little bit in the show

658
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: with the conversion between you and Jackson.

659
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, Brittany does not like me. Yeah, so yeah,

660
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 2: I'm all for her as bachelorette. But when I when

661
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 2: I sent her a message regarding because there there was

662
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 2: a sentence that didn't come out of my mouth that

663
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 2: got played over. It was something like you're no threat

664
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 2: or something like that.

665
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, she's no competition.

666
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, And once again it was just all words edited

667
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 2: to form a sentence because none of it came out

668
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 2: of my mouth. I sent her a message and to

669
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 2: which she basically refuted it and stead we look to

670
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 2: be honest, we did. Our personalities did clash in the

671
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 2: in paradise and that's okay because not everyone is always

672
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 2: going to get along. But yeah, unfortunately, yeah, that she

673
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 2: kind of refuted my message, and I did say I'm

674
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 2: so sorry you feel that way. I thought you might

675
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 2: have that response to it. But I think, to be honest,

676
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 2: like I'm kind of unapologetic about who I am, but

677
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 2: also I'm sorry for certain things. I think, probably to her,

678
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 2: I'm too chilled and relaxed, like I am super relaxed,

679
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 2: like like what will be will be? I'm sorry for this. Yeah,

680
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 2: putting it into words is very hard. But we aren't

681
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 2: always going to get along with people. You know, you

682
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 2: take two different personalities like that, and you know I

683
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 2: don't dreams Britney does. I'm super chilled. She i realized

684
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 2: quite sickly. She is hypersensitive. There was just a lot

685
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 2: of clashing with personalities. So I've tried, I've tried to

686
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 2: you know, make amends on certain things.

687
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, do you regret the way any of the

688
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,959
Speaker 1: things you said about her came out because you feel

689
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 1: like it's not reflective of what you actually meant?

690
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, hundred percent yes. And I take ownership of the

691
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,439
Speaker 2: things that I did say that came out of my mouth,

692
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 2: and I'm sorry for the things that did get edited

693
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 2: as well, Like there's nothing that's out of my control.

694
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 2: And I feel like this is also why the love

695
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 2: of Triangle was pushed, because we didn't get along in Paradise.

696
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 2: It was just one of those things like you know,

697
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 2: there were other people in who who obviously gravitate more

698
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 2: towards and.

699
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 1: You guys are power opposites. It was evident.

700
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely so. No, I think I think that

701
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 2: that relationship is is almost like I regret to me, Well,

702
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 2: I don't know if i'd say regret, but it's something

703
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:22,240
Speaker 2: that i'm yeah, most most sorry for and I wish

704
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 2: that i'd you know, the backstory to that is, you know,

705
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 2: something got said this one day not started by me,

706
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 2: but definitely finished by me, so which I kind.

707
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 3: Of don't you know.

708
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 2: I look back and I'm just like, well, Cassandra, if

709
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 2: you're the one in your thirties, you should have you

710
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 2: should have, Yeah, being more softer. Softer is the word

711
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,720
Speaker 2: I would say, softer, knowing that she was hyper sensitive.

712
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 2: I should have been softer. And you know there were

713
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 2: times in there that I did. I did try and

714
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 2: talk to her and things like that. But I think, yeah,

715
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 2: certain people at certain ages.

716
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 3: Don't don't want to appol.

717
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 2: Apology, and I think I've got to forgive myself in

718
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 2: that sense as well and just go well past. You can't.

719
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 3: You can't help everything.

720
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: At least you know in your heart of hearts that

721
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: you've reached out and you tried to make amends and

722
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: you you've apologized and everything like that. So that's that's

723
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: really lovely to hear. We've got to obviously touch on

724
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: the Narranga controversy, and I'm sure you've seen he's been

725
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: quite vocal on his Insta story because you know, there's

726
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: been so many articles calling you out about that. You know,

727
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: you made claims about the editing process, which we've touched

728
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 1: on vocal, Well it was I think it was last

729
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: week or the week? Oh when was I believe it

730
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: was last week? Last week he came out and he

731
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: said when one particular person, well it says when one

732
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: particular comes out saying that they got a bad edit.

733
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: It infuriated me. There were so many more nasty comments

734
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 1: to me and other people. One particular moment telling several

735
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,280
Speaker 1: people they wouldn't take me back to the parents because

736
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: of where I came from, can't pronounce my name and

737
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: doesn't even know where I'm from. I accept rejection, it's life,

738
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: but this I don't. Not once have they apologized. You

739
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 1: know the one Now obviously he didn't name you, but

740
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: I'm assuming he's talking about you.

741
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 2: You know, when that came out, I actually said, is

742
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 2: it is this?

743
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 3: Wait?

744
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 2: Who's he referring to? I was like, what is this?

745
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 2: And that the fact that then people started tagging my name,

746
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 2: I think that is truly, like, out of this whole experience,

747
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 2: that would have to be the most disheartening. That would

748
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 2: definitely have to be the most disheartening one. And there's

749
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 2: a lot of backstory to the friendship with Narranga and

750
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 2: certain things that narranger did that. I'm not going to

751
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 2: play the victim on that. And I will always happily

752
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 2: touch you guys like afterwards, like as a girlfriend off

753
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 2: the record, who enlighten you like my girlfriends sah. Yeah,

754
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 2: there was definitely a lot of backstory and there's only

755
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 2: so many times you can say no to a guy.

756
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 2: And yeah, yes, I did stuff up his name. In

757
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 2: the first week of knowing him. I could not brask

758
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 2: his name, and that's totally on me. I had to

759
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 2: actually break it down, like into Yeah, I had to

760
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 2: break it down because I don't know why, but I

761
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 2: was having a lot of trouble with his name. So

762
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 2: that's absolutely true in the first first week, five days

763
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 2: of filming. So I'll wear that, I'll own it. I'm human,

764
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 2: I make mistakes and I'm sorry for that. The other

765
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 2: crap is exactly that and is.

766
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 3: The most disheartening thing about it.

767
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 2: And anyone that knows me and those the disguis I've

768
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 2: dated and you know, just knows that myself, my family,

769
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 2: there's no prejudice towards any race or religion. So absolutely

770
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 2: I would welcome like I would take home any guy

771
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 2: if I thought he was a beautiful person to take home.

772
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, Well that's lovely to hear because you came

773
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: out in the Advertiser, which is of course an Adelaide newspaper,

774
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: and you spoke about how you know, there was there

775
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: was some editing going on and you can you can

776
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: you and it was about the comment that you said

777
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 1: it looked like you said he was gross.

778
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 2: So that date was very it was so one sided

779
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 2: with the narrating. So what actually happened was went onto

780
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 2: the date and one of the producers told me to

781
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 2: mention that something that Narranger had done to me, something

782
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 2: which actually didn't get it, so there's probably no point

783
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 2: in bringing it up. And I said to her, I said,

784
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 2: if I if I say that, he's going to hate me.

785
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 2: This guy's going to hate me if I bring that up.

786
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 2: And I didn't bring it up, but I alluded.

787
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 3: To the fact of what he had of what had happened.

788
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 2: But basically it was it was just this situation when

789
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 2: Narranga asked something of me and I said, no, I'm

790
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 2: in here for the right reason. I'm not going to

791
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,879
Speaker 2: do that, to which he was disappointed and stepping out

792
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 2: onto that date. As soon as I got there, he

793
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 2: started picking at my faults, and I was kind of like,

794
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 2: you know when you're not going out with someone and

795
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 2: they start to pick out all your faults and you

796
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 2: kind of wonder, what's the purpose of this. It's not

797
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 2: like we're a couple that's trying to heal and do

798
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 2: better and move forward. We're literally friends. I don't I

799
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 2: don't get it. I don't get why I'm being picked on.

800
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 2: So it was a lot of So there was a

801
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 2: lot of teeth coming towards me from narranger and like

802
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 2: anyone that knows me, like my friends were like, we

803
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 2: could see how frustrated you were getting, Like it was

804
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 2: just becoming too much. There was a vein on the

805
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 2: side of my neck. I had a cold at the time.

806
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 2: I just everyone in CD had had gastro like and

807
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 2: you could tell I was pale.

808
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:31,919
Speaker 3: I wasn't.

809
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of friends said, oh, you look sick

810
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 2: on that episode.

811
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, sang, you wearing casual clothes. I remember you

812
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: had like an oversized T shirt on, Like you just

813
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: looked really comfy, Like it looked like you looked like

814
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: you had dressed. But this is not a hot day.

815
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: This is a friendship. See happening. I've been cold in

816
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: last minute to go on this day, and I'm not interested.

817
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: That's what I do. If I wasn't interested in someone,

818
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: you'd just be like whatever, it's a friend dressed like

819
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:56,919
Speaker 1: a friend.

820
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 2: Exactly, absolutely right. So so Narranga starts, you know, picking

821
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,240
Speaker 2: on me and this whatnot, and we start having this dispute,

822
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,399
Speaker 2: and then the fire swellers came. But when you look

823
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 2: at the interview, you hear me, you hear me like

824
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 2: they played it differently. They played the fire tweillers coming,

825
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 2: and I stay in the interview, Oh now the fire

826
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 2: swellers have come. I don't have to talk to him anymore.

827
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 2: But they hadn't preluded with the whole argument. They showed

828
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 2: that after the fire twellers. So I just looked like

829
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 2: a bit saying I don't have to talk to him anymore.

830
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 2: The fire swellers have come. Oh yeah, yeah, So all

831
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 2: my leader.

832
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 3: In the interview had been like this happened and then.

833
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 2: He said this and this throat and you know, this

834
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 2: bloke won't let me go, and you know, it was

835
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 2: all compounded and it looked very horrible, and they're what

836
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 2: the gross things, so basically, so as you can hear,

837
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,919
Speaker 2: I'd lost my voice, like basically the entire second half.

838
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 2: So after getting six of castor, I also lost my

839
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:54,760
Speaker 2: voice and whatnot.

840
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 3: Oh good, So I did my interviews like that.

841
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 2: But what happened was the producer that I like, like,

842
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 2: I coughed and he said to me, Cass, do you

843
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 2: want to do? You want to spit it outside? And

844
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 2: that's where I said, gross, And they put that straight

845
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 2: after me saying we are definitely not lovers. Gross.

846
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: I actually went because I watched it. My boyfriend doesn't

847
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: allow me to watch it on TV. I have to

848
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: wear headphones and watch on my laptop so I could

849
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: hear everything. I literally I knew that that was in

850
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: reference to your cough because you had just coughed. And

851
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: I actually thought at the time, Oh, they clearly trying

852
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,240
Speaker 1: to make it sound like she's calling a ranger.

853
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 3: Gross.

854
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: I think that's so nasty to narranger for them to

855
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: put that in as well, I mean, and to you

856
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: obviously for you saying it. But it's sort of you know,

857
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's it that is gross that they

858
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: did that. That's what I.

859
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think the saddest thing with the narranger

860
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 2: situation was I was actually coming out of paradise. I

861
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 2: was hopeful that there were no hard feelings that even

862
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 2: on the sixteenth of July messaged him and I said, hey,

863
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 2: just checking there's no hard feelings since this bit is there,

864
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 2: to which I didn't receive reply. And I think that

865
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 2: the whole thing of him coming out was kind of

866
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 2: it was it was definitely let's kick Cass Welsh's down

867
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 2: one hundred percent. So that that's how I feel. That's

868
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 2: my perspective on it, because you know, there was already

869
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 2: other things coming out to which I was just like, wow, wow, wow.

870
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 2: So I'm I'm sorry if he's because obviously in that episode,

871
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 2: you know, Brittany didn't want to go on a date,

872
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 2: and then they make it sound like I just you know,

873
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 2: and then and then it just looks like he's being

874
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 2: rejected by these two girls. So I actually feel very

875
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 2: sorry for that situation. And you know, I can you know,

876
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 2: I can obviously talk about the editing on my end

877
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 2: and how it's made me feel, but you take that

878
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 2: and you think about how he must to feel. That's

879
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 2: total crap, you.

880
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: Know, interesting because Brittany was crying because she didn't want

881
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: to go on a date with him, but she was

882
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: cast as like that wasn't nasty to cry anyway. It

883
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 1: was really interesting the way that they are. But it's

884
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 1: a great point that cast makes that she you know,

885
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: you obviously feel really bad for Narrange. How that was

886
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: all you know, aired on television to make him look

887
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: like two people weren't interested. I'm sure there are so

888
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 1: many girls out there, well that I know there are

889
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: that love Narranger, and I'm sure he's probably a few

890
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: people are sliding into his dms right now.

891
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. And you know when I first met him,

892
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 2: you know, I was like you do when you meet someone,

893
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 2: you're gaining knowledge on who they are as a person

894
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 2: and whatnot. And I did. I thought he was a

895
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 2: lovely guy. But then, like I said, there are things

896
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 2: that did happen that I was like, oh, I don't

897
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 2: like that, and I don't like that, and so so

898
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 2: as it went through the show, and you know, I

899
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 2: continually was saying, no, no, we're just friends. No, no,

900
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 2: we're just friends. My perception from what I initially thought

901
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 2: at the start was tainted definitely to leaving the show

902
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 2: and seeing some things and yeah, it is what it is,

903
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 2: and that's the whole idea of getting to someone. And

904
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 2: we're not always gonna, you know, think that. You know,

905
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 2: sometimes we think something of someone at the start and

906
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 2: then our perception changes and it is what it is.

907
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 2: But yeah, he's I'm sure he's going to find someone

908
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 2: great because he can be very funny, he can be

909
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 2: kind when he wants to be, and yeah, there's lots

910
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 2: of attribute to him that someone will find very lovely.

911
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, definitely we're talking about love life. Just to

912
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: wrap this all up because I'm sure you've got a

913
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: lot of way to do. It's been nine months since

914
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: you guys filmed. Have you found love or are you

915
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: still looking for love?

916
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say I'm looking for love. I haven't found

917
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 2: love yet. My life is very and this is the

918
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 2: thing with going on both shows, my life is very fulfilled.

919
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 2: So you know, you do these things and the you know,

920
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,479
Speaker 2: thinking that something amazing could happen, but also knowing full

921
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 2: well that not searching for something and having us fulfilled

922
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 2: life there's nothing wrong with that. So I'm excited for

923
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 2: when someone for someone who is completely amazing, supportive, beautiful,

924
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 2: wonderful does step into my life and I'll know that

925
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 2: this is how it was all supposed to unfold, and

926
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 2: this was all supposed to happen. So my heart is

927
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 2: still very open to that.

928
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,720
Speaker 1: And we're in Adelaide, of course. So is there anyone

929
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 1: that you're looking for, because I'm trying to go through

930
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: people I know, Oh my gosh, because I know a

931
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: guy who's really driven and he's got his own business

932
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, stop playing matchmaker here, Oh guy, Yeah,

933
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: maybe off Mike will have to tell you his name.

934
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 2: But I don't know.

935
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 1: I don't know what your type is because it was

936
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: so you know, on Bachelor in Paradise, so obviously didn't

937
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: really you know, there was a lot of people that

938
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: you were passing roses with, but there wasn't really anyone

939
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: that seemed to be your type. Like, what is your type?

940
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 2: My type is definitely like I'm all about, yes, holdak cancer,

941
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 2: humorous kind, someone you know what. Like, it's not as

942
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 2: if I need someone on you know, yes, I've built

943
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:03,280
Speaker 2: some something. They don't need to be on that level.

944
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 2: But from the guys I've dated that have felt you know,

945
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 2: there's been guys that have gone, oh, you know that

946
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 2: do kind of feel intimidated, which which is a real shame.

947
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 2: So my friends have you know, I've heard a lot

948
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 2: of people say to me, you do need someone that's

949
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 2: on your level, like workwise otherwise they won't feel up

950
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 2: to part. I'm like, okay, well that comes along then great.

951
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 2: So yeah, I appreciate guys that are driven. I do

952
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 2: judge on zodiac signs.

953
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: Though, Okay, I don't know what zodiac.

954
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:31,439
Speaker 2: Is anything else.

955
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: We'll have to find out what his zodiac sign is before.

956
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 2: Or a water sign. I've had too many geminis that

957
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 2: haven't worked out. I've always given it another shot, but

958
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,439
Speaker 2: it's just never quite works out.

959
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 1: But do you know what, at least at least, you know,

960
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: men don't really watch the watch Bachelor in Paradise, so

961
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: no one will have any preconceived ideas I feel exactly.

962
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny that there was the guy that I

963
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 2: did like that. It's the one that it's just been

964
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 2: dragging on for so long, and I was like, oh,

965
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 2: I feel like he's got to watch it. And then

966
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 2: but he's the thing is he knows me, so I'm

967
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 2: sure he you know, yeah, exactly wouldn't wouldn't take everything

968
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 2: to heart that he saw, obviously because he does know

969
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 2: me as a as a person. But it's still so

970
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 2: cringe worthy to know what's out there. It's just google yourself,

971
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 2: be out there of what was portrayed. I mean, not

972
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 2: guys like oh no.

973
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 1: No, I know, yeah, when you google yourself and you're like,

974
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: oh god, I mean, I don't know if men actually google.

975
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: But the fact that they've got a hand play as well,

976
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: where you can watch back all the old episodes whenever

977
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: you want, and I don't think they do that.

978
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 2: I don't think they do that, So no, I'm so

979
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 2: open to it. So we'll definitely have to cutch up

980
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 2: another time and then you can, Yeah, we can have

981
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 2: more of a more of a chat and yeah, so

982
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 2: fun chatting to you guy.

983
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and thank you for being so open and honest

984
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: as well. It's been really interesting hearing what's what's actually happened.

985
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 2: I