1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:01,200 Speaker 1: This is Outspoken. 2 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 2: The podcast is not afraid to say exactly what you're thinking. 3 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: Our names are Amy Kate and Sophie Torba. 4 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 2: We're identical triplets, but we often don't have identical opinions, 5 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 2: so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers all things 6 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 2: reality TV, influences, entertainment, and issues facing women. That is 7 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 2: so fetch Thank you, welcome back to another episode of Outspoken. Now, Sophie, 8 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 2: you witnessed a full moon of a different variety this week. 9 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 2: I was just innocently driving along. It's been beautiful weather 10 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 2: in Adelaide, and I was just looking around, thinking it's 11 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 2: so nice that it's spring. Then out of the corner 12 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 2: of my eye, I see this young boy chasing after 13 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 2: my car, and in some sort of aggressive form, he 14 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 2: just pulls his pants down and continues running and completely 15 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 2: moons me, and then he started running towards the car 16 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 2: to get to me. 17 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 1: It was the strangest thing I've ever experienced. 18 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 2: Do you think that he had friends filming him for TikTok? 19 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 2: That thought did cross my mind, but there was no 20 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 2: one else around. I couldn't see anyone. It is school 21 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 2: holidays at the moment, and there's not that much to 22 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 2: do with adelaide is. I actually didn't realize that mooning 23 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 2: people was still a thing. I feel like when we 24 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 2: were growing up, it was a bit more acceptable to 25 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 2: moon people. I mean, obviously we were younger at the time. 26 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 2: I remember my ex boyfriend saying that he once mooned 27 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 2: a police car. But I haven't heard about this happening recently, 28 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 2: probably because you're not ten. That's why you haven't seen 29 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 2: people moving people. It's a real ten year old thing 30 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 2: to do, Sophie. It was quite impressive how he still 31 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 2: managed to run whilst pulling his pants down. That sounds 32 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 2: like an accident waiting to happen. I thought you were 33 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 2: gonna say he was chasing after the car because he 34 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 2: saw Archie. 35 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: Because you have so. 36 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 2: Many random people coming up to you these days, being 37 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 2: like is that Archie from Instagram? Yeah. We were recently 38 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 2: in a cafe and this girl came up to the 39 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 2: table and she's like, I'm so sorry to interrupt, but 40 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 2: which one of you owns Archie? 41 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: Sorry? Can I just interrupt? It just reminds him on 42 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: Bridget Jones. 43 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 2: You know when that guy has his chair on somebody's 44 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 2: I think it's on her jacket because I was half 45 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:15,679 Speaker 2: expecting them to say, oh, do you guys. 46 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: Do a podcast? 47 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 2: Not that we ever really get anyone saying that to us, 48 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 2: but that is what I thought the. 49 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: Girl was going to say. It was very disappointing. 50 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 2: Was all about Archie. Excuse me. I'm terribly sorry to 51 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:29,959 Speaker 2: interrupt you when you're having dinner. 52 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: It's yes, yes, it was me, yes, nine years ago. 53 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 2: No current plans to record anything else, thank you. So 54 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 2: it's just that your chair is on my wife's coat. 55 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,679 Speaker 2: Rumors are swirling that Cardia and Milan is dating AFL 56 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:50,519 Speaker 2: Heartthrobert Bailey Smith after photos emerged of the pair getting 57 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 2: cozy over the weekend. However, the speculation comes with drama, 58 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 2: with many fans asking what about his girlfriend now? Firstly, 59 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 2: Kate for those who don't know who, who is Katia 60 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 2: Milan Well krtier is a bit of an og Australian influencer. 61 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 2: I actually first came to know of her because she 62 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 2: was featured in one of Sammy Robinson's vlogs and she 63 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 2: she's friends with Sammy and did a bit of a 64 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 2: Q and A, so I followed her YouTube channel from there. 65 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 2: So she actually made her debut on the platform as 66 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 2: a bit of an accident. So Cartier was studying theater 67 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 2: and as a part of her studies, she got into 68 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 2: doing stage makeup. Now, one of her friends asked her, oh, 69 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:28,519 Speaker 2: how do you do it? So she filmed a video 70 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 2: of herself a bit of a makeup tutorial, and she 71 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 2: decided to share it with her friend via email. However, 72 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 2: the file was too large, so she thought, oh, I'll 73 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 2: just upload it onto YouTube, but set it to private. Now, 74 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 2: unbeknown to her, it actually went public. So she then thought, oh, stuff, 75 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 2: but I'm going to upload another one, and she uploaded 76 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 2: a YouTube tutorial of her doing a Kylie Jennet inspired makeup. 77 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 2: And at the time, Kylie had her original lips and 78 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 2: her lips were quite contentious and everyone was talking about 79 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 2: them and how she made them bigger. So Cartier really 80 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 2: played off that and her video went viral. So that 81 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 2: was when she was only fifteen or sixteen, and this 82 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 2: was around twenty fourteen. Now. Cartier said she didn't actually 83 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 2: start posting properly on the platform until about a year later. Now, 84 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 2: when she was seventeen. She spent a year trying to 85 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 2: find herself, as you do in Byron Bay and then 86 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 2: she moved to Sydney to become a full time influencer. Now, 87 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 2: since the pandemic, Cartier has moved back to Brisbane and 88 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 2: she's just launched a podcast with fellow influencer Ashton Wood 89 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 2: called Common Chaos, which is doing really well. 90 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: On the podcast charts. 91 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 2: Is it just me or has Cartier always seemed older 92 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 2: than she actually is? Because I was so surprised to 93 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 2: hear that she's only twenty three. Yeah, me too. I 94 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 2: feel like she's one of those old souls and she 95 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 2: always seems to have been around older people because her 96 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 2: co host ashton Wood, she's twenty eight and she said 97 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 2: that they actually met in Byron Bay and Cartier was 98 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 2: still at school and on a bit of a road trip. 99 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 2: So I feel like she was one of those teenagers 100 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 2: that really hung out with the older crowd. Because apparently 101 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 2: these two met at Cody Simpson's party. I mean, how 102 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 2: does a fifteen sixteen year old get invited to a 103 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 2: party like that? Or before we get further into the story, 104 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 2: I feel like you've got to feel us in Amy 105 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 2: on who Bailey Smith is. So, Bailey Smith is a 106 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 2: twenty year old footballer who plays for the Western Bulldogs 107 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 2: and he's renowned for his blonde mullet, and recently he's 108 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 2: gone on a week long bender after the Bulldogs lost 109 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 2: the Grand Final in Perth. Now, Bailey is a real 110 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 2: heart throb at the moment, particularly in the gen Z demographic. 111 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 2: I mean, I suppose because I'm twelve years older than him, 112 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 2: the mullet doesn't really appeal to me, but. 113 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: He is so popular, do you know what? 114 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 2: Though? I thought the same thing, and then I did 115 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 2: have a look on his Instagram, and if he got 116 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 2: rid of the mullet, he'd be very attractive. I saw 117 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 2: a photo it actually was posted on Tuesday of him 118 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 2: shirtless on a chair, his absolre looking very chiseled, and 119 00:05:55,880 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 2: he seems to be trying to redeem himself after weekend 120 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 2: of partying because he captured the photo with an angel emoji. 121 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 2: It's quite funny though, because I've seen some commentary around 122 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 2: Bailey Smith in our Facebook group, and someone pointed out 123 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 2: that he really looks like a male version of Chloe 124 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 2: Zepp and then someone's like, actually, no, he looks like 125 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 2: Mitch Orvil. So people have decided that perhaps Artie is 126 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 2: going to look like him when he's older. That's hilarious 127 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 2: because I was saying to so earlier today that I 128 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 2: thought he looked a bit like Mitchell Orville as well. 129 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 2: I actually think he's pretty cute. I know you guys 130 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 2: are saying he's not your type. Maybe it's because I 131 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 2: go for younger guys, but he's got something about it. 132 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 2: I mean, he's got something about him, but it's more so. 133 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 2: I mean, I like a clean cut man. I'm not 134 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 2: really a fan of the mullet. I think if he 135 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 2: cut the mullet, I mean he's also twenty years old. Well, Amy, 136 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 2: you seem to be in the minority, because Bailey Smith 137 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 2: is the third most followed AFL player in the league. 138 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 2: He's wrapped up three hundred and seventy two thousand followers 139 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 2: and he's only been beaten out by Buddy Franklin, who 140 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 2: has three hundred and thirty four one thousand, and Dustin 141 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 2: Martin who has three hundred and thirty eight thousand, And 142 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 2: it's quite incredible because at the start of the year 143 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 2: he only had one hundred and thirty thousand followers. Did 144 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 2: you guys know he actually has more followers than the 145 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,119 Speaker 2: Western Bulldogs page as well, which is pretty funny because 146 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 2: he's one player for them. Well, I heard there was 147 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 2: a nude photo circulating of Bailey, except it was a 148 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 2: fake nude photo. So someone has pinched a photo of him. 149 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 2: I think it was he was lying in the back 150 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 2: of a van and they've just imported a dick on it. 151 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: I saw that. 152 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 2: That was really disturbing because can you imagine if someone 153 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 2: did that to a woman. 154 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: It's so great. 155 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 2: Who's out there importing dicks on like you wouldn't you 156 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 2: think you'd photoshop ahead like his head onto a body 157 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 2: like that. Seems really difficult photoshop skills to do that. 158 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 2: There's probably a lot of people in lockdown that are 159 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 2: quite bored, it seems. 160 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. 161 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 2: Well that's not the only drama surrounding Bailey. Last Friday, 162 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 2: a video emerged of him giving a pep talk in 163 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 2: a huddle with a bunch of club goalers during a 164 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 2: messy night out in Perth. This is what he said 165 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 2: that ye at the end of the day, it's about 166 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 2: that fucking ticker. We're here, right, yeah, we're here. We 167 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 2: ain't slept in them We're wait, wait, we ain't slept 168 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 2: in forty eight hours. We ain't slept then sleep for 169 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 2: the winglept, then sleep for the fucking week, sleep sleep 170 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 2: fucking day when you're dead, and we'll do that, will 171 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 2: do that. That's right. 172 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: Maybe it's a big night. 173 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 2: We were lack. We're having a bit of a. 174 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: Cry. 175 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 2: We now. This video was uploaded by a random TikTok 176 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 2: user and the video has already amassed over three hundred 177 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:50,079 Speaker 2: thousand views. What did you guys think about the video? 178 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 2: Is it really surprising? I feel like this is what 179 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 2: most footy players get up to on their mad Mondays. 180 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 2: While I find it disgusting the way that they're speaking 181 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 2: about women, I think, is it really that surprising. The 182 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 2: thing is, though, what I thought was off was apparently 183 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 2: Bailey has a girlfriend back in Victoria and there are 184 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,839 Speaker 2: rumors that now they're off after this video has come out. 185 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,839 Speaker 2: And that's who I felt for the girl, And I 186 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 2: was a little bit disappointed because I did hear him 187 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 2: speak on Abby Chatfield's podcast and he did seem like 188 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 2: a really nice, genuine guy. But this is what happens 189 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 2: when young men get together and egg each other on. 190 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 2: It's the whole dynamic that is bad. Well, Amy, as 191 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 2: you touched upon, Bailey did have a girlfriend and her 192 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 2: name is Izzy Armitage. Now, she posted a series of 193 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 2: photos with Bailey back on August third, and these photos 194 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 2: were taken at her twenty first birthday and the pair 195 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 2: were very cuply in the photos. There's a picture of 196 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 2: them kissing and he's got a flower behind his ear. Now, 197 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 2: since the photos of Bailey and Cartier emerged on the weekend, 198 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 2: she has unfollowed Bailey. It's a bit awkward because he 199 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 2: is still following her. This follows the news that Mia 200 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 2: for Volet also dumped her Western Bulldog's AFL player. It 201 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,959 Speaker 2: seems like there's a lot of trouble going on in Perth. 202 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 2: I feel like we've got to get into the Insta 203 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 2: stories that shared though, So on Sunday, she shared a 204 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 2: series of Insterta stories of her getting close to Bailey Smith. 205 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,439 Speaker 2: So in one video she's posing with him at a 206 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 2: bottle shop and he is standing very close behind her. Subsequently, 207 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 2: there was another photo shared and they have their arms 208 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 2: around each other and they. 209 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: Appeared to be attending a party together. 210 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 2: And social media has just gone off at these photos. 211 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 2: Everyone's wanting to know what is going on. I was 212 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 2: shocked when I saw them because they it's sort of 213 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 2: weird to see influencers with footy players. I know that 214 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 2: sounds silly because we've seen Shiny Grimm and date Tommy 215 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 2: Bug and there's obviously crossover because these are two groups 216 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 2: of people that have a lot of money, get a 217 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 2: lot of attention. And also in the off season, footy 218 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 2: players have a lot of time on their hands, as 219 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 2: do influencers, so it makes sense to see them socializing together. 220 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: But I was surprised, Jim. 221 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 2: Just back in the day when we were younger, it 222 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,439 Speaker 2: was just the wannabe models that were hanging around footballer. Yeah, 223 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 2: it's pretty juicy because Cartier has since revealed that Bailey 224 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 2: is going to be interviewed on her podcast. So on 225 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,959 Speaker 2: her podcast Instagram account, which is Common Chaos, she put 226 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 2: up a post that said could not have had a 227 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 2: better first guest. You guys are going to love this episode. 228 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 2: Incredible human Inside and Out will be out next Wednesday. 229 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,119 Speaker 1: He he, What did you guys make about this announcement? 230 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 2: It made me wonder if this whole thing has been 231 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 2: a bit of a publicity stunt because Bailey Smith is 232 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 2: one of the most popular AFL players and coincides with 233 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 2: Cartier releasing her podcast now it has done very well 234 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 2: on the charts, and she's obviously got to create that 235 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 2: momentum because people are going to listen to the first episode, 236 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 2: but it's really hard to get people back in for 237 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 2: a second episode, And what better way than to tease 238 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 2: that you're going to be interviewing this potential new boyfriend. Well, 239 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 2: I actually don't think that they're dating at all, because 240 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 2: Bailey wrote under the post best chat with the Sisters 241 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 2: and he tagged Cartier, her best friend and podcast host 242 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 2: Ashton would isn't that an absolute burn being referred to 243 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 2: as a sister? No, I think that is a load 244 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 2: of bullshit, And he's trying to play it down and 245 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 2: pretend that they're all mates because apparently Cartier was friends 246 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 2: with her boyfriend Josh before they got together, so this 247 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 2: seems to be a common thread with Cartier and her 248 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 2: boyfriend sort of soft launching guys that she's just friends with. Well. 249 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 2: I did listen to their podcast today and she and 250 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 2: Ashton were talking about how it was bad being single 251 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 2: and that they were both single Ashons coming out of 252 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 2: a relationship. So it did sound like the girls were 253 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 2: on a bit of a hunt for a boyfriend. Really, 254 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 2: did you guys like the episode? I personally haven't had time. Actually, 255 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 2: I mean, as influencer podcast goes. I actually thought it 256 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 2: was well produced. I did find it interesting. I will 257 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 2: tune and again definitely for this Bailey Smith interview. 258 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: I feel like you had a bit of a mixed 259 00:12:59,160 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: response to. 260 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 2: A Look, I haven't listened to the whole thing, but 261 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 2: I've found the start quite insufferable, if I'm going to 262 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 2: be honest, because they were talking about what they referred 263 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:13,679 Speaker 2: to as their mantras and that kind of shit. Just 264 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 2: just don't I'm not interested in that kind of stuff. 265 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: See, I don't mind that stuff. 266 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 2: You did say that influencers could probably just far into 267 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 2: microphone and go to number one on. 268 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: The chast game. 269 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 2: Look, I may have said that, and that's probably coming 270 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 2: from a place of being a little bit annoyed because 271 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 2: we have been working on our podcast for three years 272 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:34,839 Speaker 2: and we're very happy to. 273 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 1: Be it's been two years, two years, three years. 274 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 2: That was a very jealous cake coming out and saying that. Look, 275 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 2: I'm going to defend the podcast. 276 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: I thoroughly enjoy it. 277 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 2: I love listening to a bit of nothingness on my weekday. 278 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 2: Talking about influencer podcast. I have been loving Friends Without 279 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,959 Speaker 2: Benefits and that is from Anastasia King's North and her 280 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,199 Speaker 2: friend Byron. Does that surprise anybody, Sophie, you're always going 281 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 2: about anesthesia. I am a fangirl of her. But it's 282 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 2: the biggest load of dribble. But sometimes there's nothing better 283 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 2: than listening to that crap, like just something that's mindless. 284 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 2: It comes out on the weekend. I chuck it on 285 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 2: the car when I'm driving to the shops with you guys. 286 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: It's the best. 287 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:15,079 Speaker 2: Well, I've got another recommendation for a real mindless podcast. 288 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 2: It's Wears Your Head at by Anna and Matt from 289 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 2: Love Island, and it's all about dating. 290 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: I really enjoy it. 291 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is doing quite well on the charts at 292 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 2: the moment. Yeah. I can see why because I feel 293 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 2: like with the Relationship podcast, everybody wants to hear a 294 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:33,359 Speaker 2: guy's perspective, and I find him quite interesting because apparently 295 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 2: he sort of is a bit of a clinger, so 296 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 2: it's quite interesting to hear his take on things. 297 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: Well, just to wrap. 298 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 2: Things up on Cartier and Bailey, I am so interested 299 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 2: to see how this turns out because Bailey is based 300 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 2: in Melbourne and Cartier is currently in Brisbane. 301 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: However, she does well. 302 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 2: She used to live in Sydney, so it'll be interesting 303 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 2: to see if there's a Shiny Grimm and Tommy Bugs 304 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 2: situation and Cartier has to move to Melbourne and how 305 00:14:58,120 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 2: that plays out. 306 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: I would love to see some vlogs about that. 307 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 2: Personally, I would too. I don't think any Brisbane influencer 308 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 2: is going to survive in Melbourne when it starts to 309 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 2: turn cold. 310 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: It's a fucking piss take. 311 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 2: You're all taking the piss out me my how this 312 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 2: is very expensive? Hat is fucking thrassholt because you've only 313 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 2: got straightness in here. 314 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: You have got hated rollers, So you better pay. You 315 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: can pay for me to have a new set of extensions. 316 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 2: Influencers Lucy Jackson and Nicky Westcott have been slammed for 317 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 2: what fans deemed a subpar performance in their podcast live stream. 318 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 2: Disgruntled fans have demanded a refund after paying twenty five 319 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 2: dollars to. 320 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: Watch the two hour episode. 321 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 2: Kate, can you firstly tell us who are Lucy and Nicki? Well, 322 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 2: Lucy and Nicki are a bit of a dynamic duo 323 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 2: and they are known as We the Wild Ones. They 324 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 2: are influencers in their own right and they founded a 325 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 2: fashion brand called Jagger and Stone, and of course they 326 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 2: also have a very successful podcast called Happy Hour Now. 327 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 2: The girls met while they were studying marketing and became 328 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 2: best friends through their part time jobs at red Bull. Now, 329 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 2: back in the day, that used to be such an 330 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 2: illustrious job, I remember all the models had it, and 331 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 2: you'd be really jealous seeing the Red Bull girls out 332 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 2: and about in their little car. You'd either be a 333 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 2: red Bull girl, or you'd be a good girl to 334 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 2: be one of the popular girls, or you'd be both. Now, 335 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 2: as I touched on, their podcast is very successful. They 336 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 2: discuss topics like starting businesses, relationships, they interview people and 337 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 2: they share wild party stories. I don't think there's been 338 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 2: an episode that has been talked about so much as 339 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 2: the episode that they recorded on the weekend. So V 340 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 2: can you tell me what happened? 341 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: Well, it's been the most requested topic ever. 342 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 2: Our inbox has been blowing up with listeners wanting us 343 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 2: to cover this story. So with New South Wales and 344 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 2: Victoria in lockdown, the Wild Ones decided to host Happy 345 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 2: Hour up late, which as you mentioned Amy was a 346 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 2: two hour live stream hosted by the Girls on Saturday night, 347 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 2: So the live stream was hidden behind a paywall, so 348 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 2: fans had to pay twenty five dollars to gain access 349 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 2: to the event. Is it just me or is twenty 350 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 2: five dollars a lot to pay for a live stream? 351 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 2: I could understand if it was a live event, because 352 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 2: there's a lot of things that go on behind the scenes. Well, 353 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 2: it is interesting, Kate, because they did hold a live 354 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 2: show earlier in the year, which was of course in person, 355 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 2: and they interviewed Abby Chatfield on the show. They also 356 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 2: had the Veronicas perform, and tickets for that cost fifty dollars, 357 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 2: so obviously there would have been a lot of overhead cost. 358 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 1: But for something like this, it did look very low budget. 359 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 2: See I think of it this way. How much do 360 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 2: you go to pay to watch a two hour movie? 361 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 2: Sometimes it's twenty bucks, sometimes it's eleven dollars, depending where 362 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 2: you go. So if for me, I would probably pay 363 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 2: twenty five dollars to watch something like this if it 364 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 2: was really good quality, like if it was a really 365 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 2: good podcast episode. I don't know why they just didn't 366 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 2: make it for free, because the whole premise was that 367 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 2: people are in lockdown, they need some sort of entertainment. 368 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 2: I feel like it would have been something good to 369 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 2: give back to their community, to just do it for 370 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 2: free on Instagram or Facebook Live. Well, you see so 371 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 2: many companies say keep it cleaner, they provide free workouts 372 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 2: for people, and as you said, that's a bit of 373 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 2: a community building exercise. So I totally agree it would 374 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 2: have made a lot of sense. Now, going into the 375 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 2: overheads of the production of this live stream, there have 376 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 2: been a lot of people complaining about the quality of it. 377 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: So some people said. 378 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 2: That there were issues with the microphone and that things 379 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 2: kept cutting out and the sound quality wasn't good. What 380 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 2: did you. 381 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:25,360 Speaker 1: Make of it? 382 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 2: So to paint the picture, the set was pretty average. 383 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 2: It was basically this white background which was lit up 384 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 2: by some pink lighting. There was this large green couch 385 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 2: and it had a glass coffee table set up in 386 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 2: the front with an abundance of alcoholic drinks. There was 387 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 2: also a mini fridge in the background bursting with alcohol, 388 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 2: so you can see the vibe that were going for. Yeah, 389 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 2: I mean, to me, I didn't personally think it looked unprofessional. 390 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 2: I thought, oh, you know, I would sit down and 391 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 2: watch it. It kind of reminded me of a bit of 392 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 2: Big Brother up late, was that kind of vibe. I 393 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 2: think what people weren't happy with was the audio quality, 394 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 2: as Kate mentioned, and if you're doing a podcast, you 395 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 2: need to be sure that the audio quality is really 396 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 2: really good. Well, another big one that kept coming up 397 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 2: also was the quality of content. So this was pitched 398 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 2: as you know, you have to pay twenty five dollars 399 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 2: to access this never never heard before content. We're going 400 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,439 Speaker 2: to be telling our juicy stories. So a lot of 401 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 2: people said that they were hooked in because they thought 402 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 2: that they were got because it was behind a paywall, 403 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 2: that they were going to have access to this really 404 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 2: interesting information. And unfortunately a lot of people said, well 405 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,640 Speaker 2: they heard maybe two stories that were new, but there 406 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 2: was a lot of recycled content. And people were also 407 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 2: not impressed with the guest list. 408 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 1: So the girls. 409 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 2: Interviewed Millie Graham from TikTok and also m Davies. Now 410 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 2: they weren't actually on set, they were interviewed via FaceTime 411 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,959 Speaker 2: and the quality was quite bad and difficult to listen to. 412 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 2: They also had Kaylin Ponger, who I had no idea 413 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 2: who this guy was before. I've been told he's one 414 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 2: of the hottest NRL players, so he's a rugby player 415 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 2: and he came on set, and to say it was 416 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 2: awkward as an understatement, yeah, they. 417 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,880 Speaker 1: Kept playing these never have I ever games with. 418 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 2: Him, and at one stage he said, it just felt 419 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 2: like it was some sort of twenty questions directed at him, 420 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 2: and it was just really awkward because it was very 421 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 2: apparent that Lucy was heavily intoxicated. She was slurring her words, 422 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 2: she couldn't really walk. 423 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: At one stage. 424 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 2: And what made it even more awkward was the fact 425 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,919 Speaker 2: that they had these mini ad breaks throughout, so they 426 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 2: just randomly start playing music and the girls would dance 427 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 2: along to the music or go to the toilet while 428 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 2: the DJ played. And at one stage there was a 429 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,879 Speaker 2: nip slip, so Lucy was dancing so much to the 430 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 2: Veronica's Untouched, which on a side note, is an absolute banger. 431 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 2: And yes, there was this nip slip moment that everyone 432 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 2: keeps talking about. Do you know what the whole thing like, 433 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 2: the clips I've seen of it, it just reminded me 434 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 2: of when you get stuck out at a club or 435 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 2: a pub and you're so and you're with someone who's 436 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 2: really drunk, and you know, it's like kind of fine 437 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,199 Speaker 2: to listen to your friend if they're drunk, But I 438 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 2: wouldn't pay to. 439 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 1: Be there and to be involved in it. You know what, 440 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 1: Maybe this was. 441 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 2: An absolute stroke of genius though, because this live stream 442 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 2: has given everyone so much to talk about. It's also 443 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 2: reminded people that they're not really missing out that much 444 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 2: by not going to nightclubs. 445 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 1: I mean, it probably was a real representation. 446 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 2: Of a Saturday night about I saw a few comments 447 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:34,199 Speaker 2: said that the live commentary under the stream was the 448 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 2: best part of the night. What did you guys think, 449 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 2: because a lot of people back to Caylin Ponger, what 450 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 2: did you guys think about the rumors that he and 451 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 2: Lucy are an item? Because she did seem very smitten 452 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 2: by him. I feel like there were a few little 453 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 2: kisses here and there on the cheek, and they very 454 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 2: much were acting like they knew each other. There seemed 455 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,880 Speaker 2: to be a few in jokes that she had well. 456 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 2: I felt like the underlying thing was that there was 457 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 2: some references that they had hooked up before. I definitely 458 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 2: think there was something going on between them, like good 459 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 2: on her. It did add to a bit of the entertainment. 460 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: Gosh. 461 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 2: I kind of hope that they do know each other, 462 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,239 Speaker 2: otherwise it would have been super awkward for him and 463 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 2: her watching that back. I did feel really sorry for 464 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,199 Speaker 2: Nicki throughout this because I think that she really was 465 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 2: trying to salvage the situation and host the night, because 466 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 2: that's something else they got criticized for. People said they 467 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 2: were just mindlessly chatting with one another. At one stage, 468 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 2: Nicki had to rip the microphone out of Lucy's hand 469 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 2: and she said, thank fuck, this is ending soon. And 470 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:36,679 Speaker 2: that was kind of a bit of a theme throughout 471 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 2: the night. They kept asking when is this over? Like 472 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 2: this two hours is dragging on. And I think that's 473 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 2: how the listeners felt as well. 474 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,360 Speaker 1: Just playing devil's advocate here. 475 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 2: I mean, the girls are known for getting on it 476 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 2: and having a good time. Do you think that Nicki thought, Okay, well, 477 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 2: the punters, this is what they want to see. They 478 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 2: want to see us having a drink, slurring our words, 479 00:22:56,119 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 2: telling funny stories. I mean, did we expect more from us? Yeah? 480 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 2: I think personally it's a really difficult one because also 481 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 2: said it's their brand. They're the wild Ones, and they're 482 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 2: known for partying, but I think people expect a level 483 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 2: of professionalism when people are paying a fee to watch 484 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 2: their show. I think it would have been appropriate to 485 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 2: have a few drinks, But to be at the point 486 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 2: where you're hosting a podcast and can't speak, I think 487 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 2: you know it's gone too far then I Following on 488 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 2: from this live stream, there was a bit of backlash 489 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 2: from some of the listeners who were very disappointed and 490 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 2: felt like they deserved their money back. 491 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: They were complaining. 492 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,919 Speaker 2: About the tech issues and also the content that was 493 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 2: on the episode. So one listener wrote, it concerns me 494 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 2: the influencers think by simply turning up doing the bare 495 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 2: minimum is enough while financially benefiting from their following. Don't 496 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 2: host an event if you don't know how to run one. 497 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 2: It's disappointing and speaks to a wider issue in the 498 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 2: influencer space of real work, first money. Now, what did 499 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 2: you guys think of this woman's response, because I think 500 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,439 Speaker 2: she hit the nail on the head here. Look, I 501 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 2: do agree with some of what that listener said. I 502 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 2: do feel a little bit bad, though, because I think 503 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 2: Lucy and Nikki are very professional when it comes to 504 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 2: their normal podcast recording. So I do feel bad brandishing 505 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 2: their whole brand with that statement. Yeah, I more think 506 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 2: that what this girl is saying is not necessarily just 507 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 2: to do with them with a wider issue with influencers. 508 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 2: As you say, Amy, I do think that normally their 509 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 2: podcast is incredibly professionally run, and that was quite evident 510 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 2: in the apology that they released on their episode on Tuesday, 511 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,120 Speaker 2: which we will go into a little bit later. But first, Kate, 512 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 2: they did actually reveal one juicy piece of information about 513 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 2: Mick Jagger. Can you tell us what they said? Yeah, well, 514 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 2: they basically said that they're getting sued by the Rolling 515 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 2: Stones front man. However, it's not entirely new information because 516 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 2: back in April this year, it was reported on that 517 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 2: Lucy and Nicky failed to trademark their clothing brand, Jagger 518 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 2: and Stone, after Rolling Stones Company mercedor BV opposed to 519 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 2: their bid to trademark. So back in twenty eighteen when 520 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 2: they launched their brand, they did try and register the 521 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 2: name as a trademark, and this has been barred by 522 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 2: the Rolling Stones company, and Lucy denied that the brand's 523 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 2: name had any reference to the Rolling Stones or Mick Jagger. 524 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 2: So she said, I'm considered to be the Jagger. Urban 525 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 2: Dictionary defines Jagger as a psychotic demigod that you should 526 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,679 Speaker 2: never get on the bad side, as he or she 527 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 2: will mess you up big time, being the aggressive, determined 528 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:31,880 Speaker 2: half of the duo. This is a word that I'm 529 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 2: often referred to by friends, and then she went on 530 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 2: to say that the reference to Stone is more of 531 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 2: a symbolic meaning and represents Nicki's personality and characteristics in 532 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 2: being grounded, stable, down to earth and the rock of 533 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 2: the business. Now. As reported in April, the Register of 534 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,919 Speaker 2: Trademark delegate Katrina Brown said that the pair acted in 535 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 2: bad faith in their bid to register the name, and 536 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 2: this was reported on in The Herald's sun So. Katrina 537 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 2: Brown said that the Jagger and Stone Instagram account featured 538 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 2: the trademark with photos of models posing in front of 539 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 2: electric guitars and sitting up on amplifiers with signs reading 540 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 2: if the music is too loud, You're too old. She 541 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 2: went on to say the applicant has provided no explanation 542 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 2: for this conduct, nor does there seem to be any 543 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 2: obvious reason why the applicant would need to associate its 544 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 2: clothing with being in a band, loud music or electric 545 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,360 Speaker 2: guitars and amplifiers. What I found pretty amusing was in 546 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,239 Speaker 2: the live stream, Lucy said that she didn't even know 547 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 2: who the Rolling Stones were before they started, Do you 548 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 2: I mean so, I feel like that's something that you 549 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 2: would say. You seem to come out with these one liners. 550 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 2: You seem to not really know who some people are. 551 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 1: To be fair, I'm. 552 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 2: Around the same age as at Girls, and I've definitely 553 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 2: heard of the. 554 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: Role in ses. 555 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,880 Speaker 2: I think it's a pretty feeble response. Well, what about 556 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 2: the song moves like Jagger? You can't deny that you've 557 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 2: heard that at a nightclub when we were in our 558 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 2: early twenties. That was played everywhere, And in terms of 559 00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 2: his herb Dictionary reference, it's quite clear that it's based 560 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 2: on the characteristics that people assigned to Mick Jagger, Like 561 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 2: that's why people are called a Jagger, don't you think? 562 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not sure. I mean it's an urban dictionary. 563 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,360 Speaker 2: People make up the meanings of the urban dictionaries a lot, 564 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,679 Speaker 2: so you could be onto something. So on Tuesday, the 565 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 2: Girls read out a statement on their podcasts and apologized 566 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 2: for the live stream incident. Now, I do believe that 567 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 2: this statement would have been written by the very talented 568 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,360 Speaker 2: team at Spinn and Co. Because they are fantastic at 569 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 2: managing any sort of crisis involving any of their talent, 570 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 2: and I thought it was a really well written apology. 571 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,199 Speaker 2: So Lucy and Nikki said they wanted to take the 572 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 2: time to read through everyone's feedback and apologize to the punters, 573 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 2: who they said they did not deliver for on the night. 574 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 2: So they acknowledged that the tech wasn't up to standards 575 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 2: and that they should have spent more time testing it, 576 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 2: but the main point that they wanted to apologize for 577 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 2: was that they said they did not deliver on the 578 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,919 Speaker 2: content front. They said that they wanted to have a 579 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 2: fun night where they could chat over drinks with the punters, 580 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 2: but they admitted that they did spend too much time 581 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 2: focusing on the dream and less time focusing on the show. 582 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,679 Speaker 2: They also said they were there for too much of 583 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 2: a good time and didn't show up for the listeners 584 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,360 Speaker 2: when the listeners have consistently shown up for them. They 585 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 2: also said that they're going to put their heads down 586 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 2: and make sure that the next time they're on stage, 587 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 2: they deliver at a standard that their listeners deserve. They 588 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 2: also said that it was a really good opportunity for 589 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 2: them to learn, and I feel like that's textbook PR. 590 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,679 Speaker 1: That's very good PR to say that you were learning 591 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: from the experience. 592 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 2: And the thing that I also loved is they said 593 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 2: that they were donating ten thousand dollars that was raised 594 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 2: from the live stream event to a very worthy foundation 595 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,360 Speaker 2: which has moved for lex and that is a foundation 596 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,479 Speaker 2: that was set up for Noosa triathlete Alexa Leary, who 597 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 2: suffered a brain injury in a horrific cycling accident when 598 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 2: she was training on the Sunshine Coast. Now the girls 599 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 2: actually covered her story on their show, so I thought 600 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 2: it was a really lovely foundation to donate to. They 601 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 2: also finished by saying they're really sorry, and that word 602 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 2: sorry is sometimes missed in a lot of influencer apologies, 603 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 2: so I thought that was really good. I do think 604 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 2: from a PR perspective, there's not much more the girls 605 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 2: could have done. 606 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: They did a great apology. 607 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 2: Donating money also was a great option, and it's also 608 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 2: going to such a worthy foundation, and the fact that 609 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 2: they addressed. 610 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: It first thing on the show. 611 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 2: I think was a really great move and I think 612 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 2: it would have been hard for the girls to address it, 613 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 2: so I think that it's the best outcome at the moment. Yeah, 614 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 2: you make a good point that they addressed it on 615 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 2: the platform that people had the issue with, because sometimes 616 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 2: you can go hide an apology on Instagram. I mean, 617 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 2: I know the girls do have a lot of followers, 618 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 2: but people click through stories pretty quickly. But when you 619 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,719 Speaker 2: put it at the start of the podcast, people are 620 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 2: not going to miss that. As you said, I think 621 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 2: they ticked all the boxes in terms of a pr apology. 622 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 2: It was great and I really do hope next time 623 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 2: they have a live show they do learn from it 624 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 2: because people love their podcast. People loved their live show 625 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 2: that they had so much great feedback over it, so 626 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 2: let's hope the next live stream is a lot better. Well, 627 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 2: I think that's all we've got time for today. 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