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Speaker 1: And joining me live in the studio is the Opposition

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Speaker 1: leader leofan Oki ara O.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Leah, Good morning Katie, Good morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, Leah, I want to take you firstly to this

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Speaker 1: situation out of Alice Springs. We do know the ABC

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Speaker 1: Alice Springs are reporting that the Northern Territory government has

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Speaker 1: charted a flight from Alice Springs to Darwin last night

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Speaker 1: as the quarantine facility in Central Australia neared capacity, So

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Speaker 1: about seventy five people were bought will basically they boarded

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Speaker 1: that plane overnight as I understand, which will bring people

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Speaker 1: to the Northern Territory capital obviously Darwin for their fourteen

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Speaker 1: days of quarantine. So essentially it only has one hundred

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Speaker 1: and thirty nine families. The facility has only got room

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Speaker 1: for one hundred and thirty nine families in Alice Springs,

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Speaker 1: whereas here we have the capacity for three thousand beds,

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Speaker 1: although its surge capacity under COVID nineteen.

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Speaker 3: Is much less.

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Speaker 1: I mean, does this demonstrate that where maybe not as

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Speaker 1: well equipped to handle the COVID situation is what we

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Speaker 2: Are absolutely, Katie, I think it is shocking. What's happening

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Speaker 2: in Alice Springs. The chaos and confusion down there just

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Speaker 2: highlights that the government is literally making up its COVID

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Speaker 2: hotspot response as it goes along. Now, for months and

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Speaker 2: months and months, the Chief Minister has heralded himself as

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Speaker 2: a hero. We have done very well here in the territory.

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Speaker 2: But it has been, you know, the one thing that

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Speaker 2: the Chief Minister has been able to achieve in his

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Speaker 2: entire time as Chief Minister. And now what we have

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Speaker 2: is a government making up its response as it goes along.

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Speaker 2: There's clearly has been no contingency plan put in place

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Speaker 2: to address that hotspot response and people coming in and

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Speaker 2: as a result, we've got different rules for different people,

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Speaker 2: people making it up as they go along. It's a

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Speaker 2: chronic lack of leadership from the top and a chronic

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Speaker 1: The flip side of that is some listening might be thinking, well,

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Speaker 1: they acted swiftly, like he said, and they've obviously declared

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Speaker 1: it's a hotspot immediately. While that has meant that some

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Speaker 1: and they've obviously been stuck in Ola Springs, it does

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Speaker 1: mean that potentially we stop the spread of COVID if

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Speaker 1: there was anyone on that plane who was exposed to us.

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Speaker 2: No one's questioning the need for the hotspot Cadian. Of course,

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Speaker 2: we didn't have much information come Sunday or Monday, and

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Speaker 2: so the hotspot was called. But what's alarming is the

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Speaker 2: fact that contingency plans weren't put in place. We've had

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Speaker 2: hotspot management for many, many months. We've always been told

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Speaker 2: by the Chief Minister that a hotspot could happen immediately

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Speaker 2: with no warning, and so how is it that the

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Speaker 2: government has been caught unaware, caught without a plan for people?

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Speaker 2: I mean the fact that the facilities in Ala Springs

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Speaker 2: to get on the charter flight. Unfortunately that flight couldn't

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Speaker 2: take the people home due to an unforeseen incident. And

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Speaker 2: then it was sort of like, okay, everyone, well, I

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Speaker 2: guess you can just go home. And then the flip

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Speaker 2: side to that is up in Darwin, You've got people

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Speaker 2: sent to quarantine who can't even get a care package

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Speaker 2: is just absolutely shambolic. It undermines the confidence territories have

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Speaker 2: has been forgotten and left behind by this government and

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Speaker 2: it's just not good enough. We know that hotspots can

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Speaker 2: come on and come on really quick. We know that

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Speaker 2: means large volumes of people could rush home, and so

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Speaker 2: how are they're not step down plans to address these

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Speaker 3: Leah, what are you.

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Speaker 1: Being told by people in Alice Springs, because obviously you

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Speaker 1: at this point in time From the perspective of those

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Speaker 1: you know of those seventy five people that had to

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Speaker 2: So my understanding is that flight couldn't go ahead and

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Speaker 2: people were then sent home. People were offered to so it.

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Speaker 3: Didn't actually happen.

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Speaker 2: In the end, there was an incident with the plane.

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Speaker 2: There was a bird I can't think of the right word,

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Speaker 2: So those people were then told they could quarantine at home.

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Speaker 2: I believe there were some stretches brought out to the airport.

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Speaker 2: We're hearing from people in Alice Springs who had been

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Speaker 2: So there's a real mishmash approach of what's going on

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Speaker 1: People that have gone home, so they're in enforced isolation

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Speaker 2: Yes, they're quarantining, but quarantining from home whereas other people

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Speaker 2: are not allowed to do that. That's exactly right. So

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Speaker 2: we've got these different systems going on. It's very clear

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Speaker 2: that it's ad hoc and it's been due to lack

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Speaker 2: of preparation for an alternative step down plan. So there's

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Speaker 2: clearly been no contingencies from the government of this influx.

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Speaker 2: So it beggars belief that the government could not have

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Speaker 2: what do we do next? I mean, how has that

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Speaker 2: I mean, Katie. It also raises a question of what

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Speaker 2: to see. But does that mean we don't have the

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Speaker 2: that as well. So I think we've exposed a huge

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Speaker 2: to fix it.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, we are due to catch up with the

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Speaker 1: some answers. Lea, I do want to go and move

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Speaker 1: along to talk about the economy. It's something that you

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Speaker 1: and I have spoken about on so many occasions. Now,

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Speaker 1: yesterday we had co chair of the Territory Economic Reconstruction Commission,

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Speaker 1: Andrew Liveris on the show.

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Speaker 3: I think most people listening would agree that he's a

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Speaker 3: very impressive.

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Speaker 1: Man, there's no doubt about it, and very very passionate

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Speaker 1: about the Northern Territory. The Turk as they're known, due

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Speaker 1: But the big thing here is going to be ensuring

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Speaker 2: I mean, is this going to be another report that

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Speaker 2: sits on the shelf? Katie. And we've seen the interim

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Speaker 2: course we know there's going to be a lot of

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Speaker 2: territory a great place to invest, but that takes leadership

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Speaker 2: at the top. I've been very critical of the Gunner

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Speaker 2: disappointing is the fact that they've engineered the delivery of

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Speaker 2: that Economic Reconstruction Commission report to come after the budget.

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Speaker 2: Now had that report of in handed down prior to

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Speaker 2: to address our economic issues.

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Speaker 1: Now talking about the economy, obviously part of that is

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Speaker 1: the budget, There's no doubt about that, and the budget

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Speaker 1: is something you and I once to get spoken about extensively.

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Speaker 1: But we know that the estimates process is the process

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Speaker 1: ask questions about the budget and exactly how different you know,

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Speaker 1: how different money is being spent, how some of those

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Speaker 1: that cutting that estimate's time.

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Speaker 3: It is only by two hours.

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Speaker 1: I mean, realistically, two hours, Lea, Is that really such

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Speaker 2: It's a huge deal, Katie. And what we're seeing from

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Speaker 2: the Gunner government is this erosion of scrutiny. They're just

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Speaker 2: gotten rid of the Legislative Scrutiny Committee. They've reduced a

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Speaker 2: a Wednesday during question time, we've had estimates shrunk from

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Speaker 2: So this is just another blow. We've said we're ready

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Speaker 2: it down by two hours is just again, it's that

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Speaker 2: he's got his acts out and he's just chipping away

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Speaker 1: It's not the on the area that people are worried

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Speaker 1: that the government is maybe not as open and transparent

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Speaker 1: as they've promised to be.

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Speaker 3: I know that.

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Speaker 1: You know that there's different sort of commentary around town

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Speaker 3: I mean, if we've got a government here that he

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Speaker 1: To shut down that, you know that that discussion and

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Speaker 1: really their opponents being able to ask different questions, and

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Speaker 1: not even opponents, but but you know, different people being

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Speaker 2: That's that's exactly right. You know, you raise a really

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Speaker 2: it's all very controlled and nice. But that's not leadership.

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Speaker 2: That's not open and transparent government. That's not allowing yourself

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Speaker 2: to be open for scrutiny. So this government certainly is

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Speaker 2: taking some extraordinary measures to erode their ability to be

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Speaker 2: scrutinized by Territorians, by media outlets, you name it, through

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Speaker 2: the parliamentary processes as well. And it's just not acceptable.

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Speaker 2: It sets a very bad tone for this term of

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Speaker 2: are arrogant. They have not understood the message that Territorians

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Speaker 2: sent them this election, which is Yep, you're doing a

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Speaker 2: great job on COVID, but you need to get your

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Speaker 2: act into gear on economy and crime. It shows their

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Speaker 2: hands are covered over their ears, Katie, and they're just

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Speaker 1: We are just one very quick point because we are

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Speaker 1: going to have to wrap up. I believe that you

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Speaker 1: actually gave a numbering Parliament last week of just how

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Speaker 1: many votes the government won by it the last election.

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Speaker 3: And I actually thought that it was a really.

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Speaker 1: Important thing for people to hear, just because you know,

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Speaker 1: when you talk about how close elections are and when

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Speaker 1: you talk about opposing voices being heard, I do think

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Speaker 1: that no matter what side of the political spectrum you

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Speaker 2: You're right, Katie. And so the gun and Labor government

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Speaker 2: have a majority government by one hundred and five votes.

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Speaker 2: They hold majority government by one hundred and five votes,

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Speaker 2: and that's something they've got to listen to. And they've

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Speaker 2: got to remember we have a very strong opposition now,

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Speaker 2: we have strong independent members in the parliament. Territorians are strong.

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Speaker 2: They are entitled to scrutinize their government, as you know

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Speaker 2: in media outlets like the NT Independent. And so the

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Speaker 2: Gunner government just bullishly pushing ahead with its agenda. Talking

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Speaker 2: but not acting is not good enough. You know, I

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Speaker 2: continuously say to the Chief Minister, talk is cheap. The

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Speaker 2: time is now for action. They took a big game

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Speaker 2: on red tape. We're going to have this Economic Reconstruction

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Speaker 2: report in a couple of weeks, and then the proof

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Speaker 2: will be in the pudding. And I really hope Territorians

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Speaker 2: aren't sorely disappointed by the actions the government takes flowing

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Speaker 2: on from this, but I suspect we'll see very little

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Speaker 3: Well, I bloody hope we do.

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Speaker 1: And I know that there's plenty of people that hope

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Speaker 1: that we are going to see those just implemented. Lea Fanocchio,

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Speaker 1: Opposition leader, we are going to have to leave it.

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Speaker 1: They're always good to catch up with you. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for your time today

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Speaker 2: Thank you, and take care everyone,