Speaker 1: Flex and frooms on kit Flex and Frooms. That's the
Speaker 1: podcast version see yat Macytos. When's I going to get annoying?
Speaker 1: I think it already has. Is it annoying for you
Speaker 1: to always put to self assess getting there? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Use it in a post a couple of days, agoth
Speaker 2: honton it's on those last legs.
Speaker 3: Get your money's worth while you can. Oh, coming up,
Speaker 3: We're talking about a lot of great things. I personally
Speaker 3: am obsessed with the podcast only because you know me,
Speaker 3: I love a epee love it. Little chitty chitty, I
Speaker 3: want to speak at length about stuff.
Speaker 2: She doesn't stop, really she doesn't, but I do actually do.
Speaker 2: In between records, we don't really talk.
Speaker 3: I used to talk so much now I think I
Speaker 3: took fifty percent less, if not more.
Speaker 1: How many podcasts did I used to do? Too many?
Speaker 3: How many online little like learning things?
Speaker 4: Hey?
Speaker 3: Everyone, look at this thing I learned. Let me teach
Speaker 3: you or what I learned.
Speaker 2: Now, I want to try and diagnose you. Something's going
Speaker 2: on When I try and explain you to people, I
Speaker 2: don't get it. What's happening so much?
Speaker 1: What's going on? Babe? You do so much? Yeah, it's feeling.
Speaker 2: It's wild doctor irregular sleeping patterns for sure, which is
Speaker 2: a flag of something you have racing mind?
Speaker 1: Yes, so many thoughts.
Speaker 2: It's not adhd or at least it's not traditional presenting
Speaker 2: highly functioning.
Speaker 3: Well, maybe I'm not. Maybe I'm just masking it all
Speaker 3: very well.
Speaker 1: Maybe you're just manic.
Speaker 3: I don't think i'm that manic. I'm pretty like, what's
Speaker 3: the last cooked thing I've done? I haven't done a
Speaker 3: cooked thing in a while.
Speaker 1: The feet stuff.
Speaker 2: When I was in Bali last week, Mum goes, oh,
Speaker 2: look at that, showed me your feet with the manicure,
Speaker 2: which the feet has the eyes manicure.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2: She's like, that's discussing now. I don't think anything's wrong
Speaker 2: with you. I just think you're like very productive.
Speaker 3: That's really sweet, thank you. I'm just a product of capitalism. Yeah,
Speaker 3: later on we'll be talking about my fellow handmaiden of capitalism,
Speaker 3: Kim Kardashian. She said that if she had the opportunity
Speaker 3: to eat pooh every day, if it would make her
Speaker 3: look and feel younger, that she just might. And instead
Speaker 3: of talking about that, we talked about beauty standards.
Speaker 2: Literally the best bit about it completely ignored. Sorry, it's
Speaker 2: just as my brain was trying to compute, Yeah, the concept.
Speaker 2: I think we had different ideas about the concept always though.
Speaker 1: That's the best thing. I don't think we've had a
Speaker 1: similar idea in our life. Probably not. That's sweet. And
Speaker 1: then we talked about Sorry, I was just putting some
Speaker 1: croc sound effects.
Speaker 3: We talked about sweden Gate, which started off as a
Speaker 3: raddit post. People found out that in Sweden, traditionally, generally
Speaker 3: we don't know. We're not there, but it's not customary
Speaker 3: to feed your guests. When they come over. They'll often
Speaker 3: wait in the other room while you feast, and then
Speaker 3: when you're done, you can bring them back in the room.
Speaker 3: They say, it's not meant to be offensive. It's not
Speaker 3: because they don't want to feed you, or because they're
Speaker 3: too cheap too. It's because they assume that you have
Speaker 3: dinner plans and you have your own traditions that you
Speaker 3: don't want to be interrupted. We'll see about that stingy.
Speaker 1: Stick around. Enjoy the pod flecks.
Speaker 3: And I know people get really frustrated when media personalities, writers,
Speaker 3: content creators talk about the Kardashians. But I for one,
Speaker 3: think they are just a well of content. There's not
Speaker 3: a day that goes by where one of them doesn't
Speaker 3: do something that warrants a headline. And you think, by now,
Speaker 3: with almost a decade, if not more, in the entertainment industry,
Speaker 3: what could they be saying that could warrant global fanfare?
Speaker 3: Kim Kardashian said, and I quote, if you told me
Speaker 3: that I literally had to eat poop every single day
Speaker 3: and I would look younger, I might, I just might.
Speaker 3: So many people want to act like they don't care
Speaker 3: about how they look. I'm not acting like it comes
Speaker 3: easier or it's all natural. You just don't wake up
Speaker 3: and use whatever you wake up you use ingredients, the
Speaker 3: PRP facials, stem cell facials, lasers. All of that is
Speaker 3: work that came off the back of the fact that
Speaker 3: people found out that in preparation for the Metgala, Kim
Speaker 3: Kardashian lost I think it was sixteen pounds, did in
Speaker 3: a very unhealthy, restrictive way, and she was very open
Speaker 3: about doing so just to fit into this very small
Speaker 3: archival Marilyn Monroe dress. And she came out and said, well,
Speaker 3: Christian Bales done that for his movies. And nobody said
Speaker 3: that it was too far or not enough. In the
Speaker 3: same way that he chose to do something restrictive for
Speaker 3: his craft, I'm doing the same for mine. Why is
Speaker 3: there a double standard? And I think that is a
Speaker 3: very cheeky way address what is happening here, because in
Speaker 3: this instance, I think that what the Kardashians do very
Speaker 3: often is they skirt around the fact that they have
Speaker 3: this huge megaphone to influence the way people act, think,
Speaker 3: do believe, and then play a little bit dumb about it.
Speaker 3: I think it would make sense if Kim was just
Speaker 3: like and so what like, I wanted to look good,
Speaker 3: I wanted to look cute, and I did what was necessary.
Speaker 3: The double sound I think that would be bad now
Speaker 3: because I think, in this instance, do you really think
Speaker 3: Kim said Kim thought as she was getting ready, Well,
Speaker 3: men do this all the time.
Speaker 1: Actors do this all the time. This is my craft.
Speaker 3: I think it's the retrospective trying to put like almost
Speaker 3: like theoretical context behind why it's okay is what makes
Speaker 3: a lot of the critique happen more because I feel
Speaker 3: like the Kardashians operate in a very superficial landscape it's
Speaker 3: about looking pretty, it's about feeling pretty. But in trying
Speaker 3: to justify it, it always kind of gets political in
Speaker 3: a way that you could you could hold so much
Speaker 3: power to just say I want to look cute, this
Speaker 3: one about it or good as opposed to now making
Speaker 3: it a gendered conversation. And it can be a gendered conversation,
Speaker 3: but let's talk about that when it matters, Like when
Speaker 3: the Kardashians are stealing aesthetics of black women, it can
Speaker 3: be a gender discussion. But then when that's happening, they well, no,
Speaker 3: like some European people wear braids or have small waists
Speaker 3: and big butt, not only Black women have big butts, right,
Speaker 3: And so it's like, I get what you're saying, Kimmi,
Speaker 3: but do you get what you're saying? Yep, yep, yep, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I wonder sometimes.
Speaker 2: To be honest, I hadn't thought about the Christian Bale connection.
Speaker 2: I'm surprised that they pulled that out of thing. If
Speaker 2: I couldn't have even thought about.
Speaker 3: Whoa it was obtuse it was abstract in the context
Speaker 3: of beauty standards, We're not measuring women against men. That's
Speaker 3: not how beauty standards work. We're measuring women against women
Speaker 3: based on standards that men popularized.
Speaker 2: Because the issue is that she's promoting unhealthy behaviors, is
Speaker 2: what we're saying. But I think if you use that argument,
Speaker 2: then everything that she's ever done is problematic.
Speaker 1: Love the chat, Love.
Speaker 2: The chat, And I feel like we didn't touch enough
Speaker 2: on her eating pooh.
Speaker 1: But I guess that's you're not segment. Somehow we miss
Speaker 1: that point. Anyway.
Speaker 2: Up next, you're gonna be telling something something about Sweden. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it seems to be your favorite topic week.
Speaker 3: They're having a terrible pr moment right now in media.
Speaker 3: It is not looking good.
Speaker 1: This is flex and frooms on Kita.
Speaker 3: You've traveled a bit, right, like a bit from Bali Ballet.
Speaker 1: You've done the eure.
Speaker 2: Never Europe doing it in September tips hit him in
Speaker 2: the inbox at rooms.
Speaker 1: Do you really want them?
Speaker 2: Nuh?
Speaker 3: Okay, it's good to know when you're lying. So I've
Speaker 3: done a bit of traveling in my time. I want
Speaker 3: to do more. I'm trying to go to places I
Speaker 3: don't want to call them niche. But let's say if
Speaker 3: I said I was going to Europe, and I said
Speaker 3: I was going to Prague. That feels a bit more
Speaker 3: niche than saying I'm going to London. But I digress.
Speaker 3: I am fascinated with the cultural norms that exist in
Speaker 3: different places, because when you're born and raised in one environment,
Speaker 3: it sometimes comes as a bit of a shock when
Speaker 3: somebody else's cultural norm is so far from what you
Speaker 3: could even imagine to be true or real.
Speaker 1: In Ghana, it.
Speaker 3: Is not unusual for generations of families to raise one kid,
Speaker 3: so you could walk around as a toddler and be like,
Speaker 3: maybe that is my mom.
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe that's my mom who knows.
Speaker 3: They all raised me and that's very normal, Whereas in
Speaker 3: Australia you very clearly know, like that person is your mum,
Speaker 3: that person is your dad, et cetera.
Speaker 1: I know, culturally.
Speaker 3: When I was younger, my mom hated the idea of
Speaker 3: me sleeping over at friend's houses. She was like, I
Speaker 3: do not know those people. I do not trust those people.
Speaker 3: I don't know what happens in their houses. She was
Speaker 3: very adamant that, you know, cook things happen all the
Speaker 3: time with pairsarents and their children behind closed doors. Did
Speaker 3: not want to expose me to that which is pretty fair.
Speaker 3: But recently online this hashtag sweden Gate went viral, and
Speaker 3: I thought that was very odd because last week we
Speaker 3: talked about Sweden was in the news because there's an
Speaker 3: eight year rental weight list if you want to rent
Speaker 3: a home. If you want to hear more about that,
Speaker 3: listen to our podcast Flex and Rooms. But sweden Gate
Speaker 3: was a thread on Reddit, which has since been deleted.
Speaker 3: Why Conspiracy asking people to share about their experiences and
Speaker 3: strange social customs visiting other people's homes.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: Someone tweeted about their experience as a child playing at
Speaker 3: their friend's house in Sweden and they were told to
Speaker 3: wait in their friend's room as the family had dinner.
Speaker 1: What Right.
Speaker 3: Another shared an experience being left out of breakfast after
Speaker 3: sleeping over at a friend's house the night before, and
Speaker 3: the post generated so many upfots that people were like,
Speaker 3: what is going on in Sweden? Basically, what I'm discovering
Speaker 3: and after a bit of research, is that it is
Speaker 3: not expected for Swedish people to feed or snack guests
Speaker 3: in any capacity. So if you were to go to
Speaker 3: a Swedish person's house and you were hanging out with
Speaker 3: your friend, you would wait in the other room as
Speaker 3: a dinner, and then they would come back and get
Speaker 3: you when you were done. Now, some people say, some
Speaker 3: Swedish people say that this is like a traditional thing
Speaker 3: or like it's they've heard of it, but it doesn't
Speaker 3: happen in their household. But overwhelmingly people like it's pretty
Speaker 3: commonent enough that people traveling in have experienced that and
Speaker 3: felt really isolated and thought it was almost like a
Speaker 3: separate incident, like you didn't want to feed me, not
Speaker 3: culturally not feeding people. So this Swedish guy weighs in
Speaker 3: and said, the Swedish thinking goes like this, the other
Speaker 3: child or the other family who's visiting the Swedish person's
Speaker 3: home might have other plans for another kind of dinner,
Speaker 3: and you wouldn't want to ruin the routine or preparations.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's anything to do with not wanting
Speaker 3: to feed the other child or because it costs money
Speaker 3: or anything like that. It's more to do with tradition
Speaker 3: and wanting to eat with your own family. And other
Speaker 3: Swedes offer different explanations as to why it's happening from
Speaker 3: old traditions which put the onus of hospitality on the rich.
Speaker 3: So Sweden was once a poor country, and so it
Speaker 3: wasn't expected for them to now extend beyond their means
Speaker 3: to feed someone where there wasn't much to go around.
Speaker 3: That feels kind of debunked, though, because there are a
Speaker 3: lot of you know, generally not rich nation to have
Speaker 3: a huge culture in sharing and feeding, et cetera. The
Speaker 3: thing is the Swedes are defensive.
Speaker 1: Sweden is at.
Speaker 3: The best pr of like all countries until two weeks.
Speaker 2: Ago something, because I remember they give people like little
Speaker 2: babies cuts and stuff when they're born. Do they like
Speaker 2: they gave men parentally before that was I think yes, progressive.
Speaker 1: In some ways, not in the ways where it matters feed.
Speaker 1: That's crazy, so embarrassing.
Speaker 3: Part of me thinks, and I don't want to take
Speaker 3: it to conspiracy town, but.
Speaker 1: It never is gonna not be bad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I do want to take it there,
Speaker 3: but I just have to put the disclaimer every time.
Speaker 3: But this reminds me of cancel culture, not in the
Speaker 3: way that Sweden is getting canceled, but in the way
Speaker 3: that as soon as one slightly unsavory story leaks, suddenly
Speaker 3: everyone's got stories. Maybe it says something about the way
Speaker 3: people can textualize social norms, like it wasn't appropriate to
Speaker 3: speak quote unquote poorly about Sweden or its traditions when
Speaker 3: Sweden was seen in such a positive light, but now
Speaker 3: it's slightly more neutral.
Speaker 2: Let's pylon. Absolutely, we see this everywhere. It's the pedestal.
Speaker 2: So odd that they get not from the pedestal. They oh,
Speaker 2: actually didn't because we'd like want to over things. I think,
Speaker 2: and I think no one's immune, even countries. And I
Speaker 2: also think it's like Sweden was considered better than everyone
Speaker 2: for a while.
Speaker 3: Yeah, hot people do the Americans kape?
Speaker 2: Yeah, But then it's kind of like, are they really
Speaker 2: getting like.
Speaker 1: Ripped now they're not getting ripped.
Speaker 3: Where I empathize with Swedish people right now is it's
Speaker 3: really hard to defend culture because we don't know why
Speaker 3: culture really exists. We just kind of assimilate and we
Speaker 3: keep a pushing. We don't know why we do certain
Speaker 3: things in certain ways. We don't know why it's appropriate
Speaker 3: to eat certain foods, kill certain animals, go to certain places,
Speaker 3: expect certain things from different genders.
Speaker 1: We just do them.
Speaker 3: And so I could imagine, as like a Swedish person
Speaker 3: right now to retrospectively be like, oh fuck, like why didn't.
Speaker 1: We feed those people?
Speaker 3: And if you grew up in a household and your
Speaker 3: parents didn't feed your friends and now you're not feeding
Speaker 3: your friends, you didn't really think about why. Now I
Speaker 3: got to think about it a light at once.
Speaker 1: You know what I reckon. It's kind it's.
Speaker 3: Like when you realize. I think it reminds me when
Speaker 3: people realize their family is racist. They're kind of like, fuck,
Speaker 3: I don't even know. It's like the inside the house.
Speaker 3: The call is coming from inside the house.
Speaker 1: What are we gonna do?
Speaker 2: I wonder if these days traditions are broken more easily
Speaker 2: than in the past, Like I feel like traditions are
Speaker 2: a thing that have existed for like thousands of years.
Speaker 2: Like for example, if you and I would have gone
Speaker 2: out for dinner, I was brought up like in my
Speaker 2: teenage years when I could choose to pay for things split.
Speaker 2: Whereas we start going out together, you start pay I
Speaker 2: start paying back, and then that creates a culture. I
Speaker 2: think you can actually change your culture in these days
Speaker 2: and times because you can seek out whoever you want.
Speaker 2: Think about selfies that was so that was culturally weird
Speaker 2: as food yourself.
Speaker 1: He's been around them to thousand and five. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I remember back then it wasn't it was awkward.
Speaker 3: Can be you're talking about cultural to traditions or habits
Speaker 3: because for instance, this thing with Swedish people not feeding guests, right,
Speaker 3: if you, as one person decide to feed your guests,
Speaker 3: you're hyper individualizing your culture. You're saying, my culture is
Speaker 3: the some of my actions. Therefore, if I change my
Speaker 3: individual action, the culture changes. And that's like not necessarily
Speaker 3: true to some of everybody changing their actions.
Speaker 2: I take a long game approach. I think it does
Speaker 2: start with one, and I'm hopeful.
Speaker 3: But I think when you say it starts with one,
Speaker 3: it distances you from change. It starts with one. Does
Speaker 3: start with you? Is that with your community, your friends,
Speaker 3: your family, or just like one rogue person in South Ipswich.
Speaker 3: You made the change, though in ten years time you're like,
Speaker 3: thank you for much.
Speaker 1: Greg, thank you for making steamed funds on every from
Speaker 1: the thing that we do now be the change you
Speaker 1: want to see. You're listening to flex and frooms, Okada.
Speaker 3: All right, So I want to do a bit of
Speaker 3: an activity with you, through me and with anyone listening
Speaker 3: I'm going to play the first five seconds of this video.
Speaker 3: I'm going to pause it, and then you were going
Speaker 3: to think, keep your thoughts to yourself. Actually, I show
Speaker 3: your thoughts with me. Then we're gonna keep playing the video.
Speaker 1: You down for that, I'm ready. Great.
Speaker 4: I eat a tablespoon of sand every single day.
Speaker 3: Thought, yep, I.
Speaker 1: Don't know how you do that. Do what eat a
Speaker 1: tablespoon of sand? Why do you think he does that?
Speaker 1: Because it hurts?
Speaker 2: Huh machoism You called it machoism?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you mean masochism.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't speak with all this sand in.
Speaker 1: My mouth so confidently too.
Speaker 3: See, when I first heard that, I thought, gosh, I'm
Speaker 3: really into fitness TikTok right now because I've been going
Speaker 3: to the gym right so somehow the TikTok algorithm knows
Speaker 3: my business. So it showed me like a bunch of
Speaker 3: weightlifting videos, macros, macro nutrients or whatever. So I was like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, this is just the trend. Sometimes they're
Speaker 3: eating sand, and that's really what I thought about it.
Speaker 1: Listen to this.
Speaker 4: Now in the past five seconds, how many different stories
Speaker 4: of why I eat sand were you able to come
Speaker 4: up with? This is the perfect example of different biases
Speaker 4: and stories that our nervous system will tell us. It
Speaker 4: will naturally fill in the blanks with associations and assumptions
Speaker 4: to help us better understand context. So when something doesn't
Speaker 4: make sense in your life, you need to take some
Speaker 4: mental and emotional inventory to see the stories that you
Speaker 4: are building. In fact, I don't need sand every single day.
Speaker 4: Great example, though, to see the amount of stories that
Speaker 4: your nervous system will produce. Now, the real fun question
Speaker 4: is most of us, probably eighty five percent, have a
Speaker 4: negativity bias. Did the stories that you built around me
Speaker 4: eating sand? Were they positive? Were they negative? It's a
Speaker 4: really great mental track to see what your system is
Speaker 4: actually doing because your system typically doesn't rally in your favor.
Speaker 1: Do you love that? I love that? You didn't like that?
Speaker 3: Just me?
Speaker 2: I mean you're always very deep. That's not deep at all.
Speaker 2: Maybe you're too shallow.
Speaker 1: Well, giving another word, and let's do one. Well, it's
Speaker 1: with everything right.
Speaker 3: Let's say if I said I really want to watch
Speaker 3: TV tonight.
Speaker 1: I'd say, you've had a big day, you want to relax.
Speaker 3: Exactly as opposed to she just loves this new show
Speaker 3: she's watching she's really excited about TV. Oh, she's so
Speaker 3: stoked to have a break and eat dinner. So what
Speaker 3: this person is saying is that generally our brains are
Speaker 3: constantly looking to categorize all the information that we're given,
Speaker 3: and with the more technologically advanced the world gets, we're
Speaker 3: just given too much stuff. We are working as fast
Speaker 3: as ever to try and categorize and process and package
Speaker 3: up everything we've heard, to the point where we automatically
Speaker 3: put things in these neat little categories without even thinking
Speaker 3: about what's influencing the way we think. Why when this
Speaker 3: random guy says he eats sand I immediately say that
Speaker 3: makes sense, Like I'm on fit of set up, how
Speaker 3: much it's rotting my brain that he would just say something,
Speaker 3: and not only would I perceive him to be truthful
Speaker 3: and trustworthy, of course I just go with it, right,
Speaker 3: But the thing that he mentioned at the end is
Speaker 3: this bias, And I think that a lot of people
Speaker 3: aren't really aware of the positivity and negativity bias when
Speaker 3: they're having conversations. So this idea that when I say
Speaker 3: I can't wait to go home and watch TV, it's
Speaker 3: the assumption that I'm having a bad day a big day,
Speaker 3: A long day is very telling because if I don't
Speaker 3: ever address your bias or address your presumption, you might
Speaker 3: think I go home every day after a long day,
Speaker 3: I'm so tired, I'm stress. It can also be said
Speaker 3: for really basic things like if I look at you
Speaker 3: as you're speaking and I don't say anything, you think
Speaker 3: I'm judging you. Every time i'm blank head, I'm like,
Speaker 3: what's coming up next? How much time do we have?
Speaker 3: Can we go in this deeper? Can we talk some more?
Speaker 3: Are you finishing up your sentence and I'm just listening,
Speaker 3: but you're thinking that there's more going on behind my eyes?
Speaker 3: Nothing or rarely anything, because I'm a very chatty person.
Speaker 3: If it's something that I'll say it, and.
Speaker 2: It really shouldn't matter either way. What you're thinking is
Speaker 2: I should be on my own track.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you will never know exactly. It's a lesson.
Speaker 3: So if you want to do extra research those things
Speaker 3: that he's talking about. This bias is called a schema,
Speaker 3: and we all have different schemas about ourselves, about other people,
Speaker 3: about social environments, about situations, about objects, and so the
Speaker 3: sooner you can figure out what stories you tell yourself
Speaker 3: about your self, people, objects, events. The sooner you can
Speaker 3: like break the circuit.
Speaker 1: Cool, good to unland them if they're a negative schemer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go, psychologists, flick and fos. I'm going
Speaker 3: to start off with the most ridiculous headline and tell
Speaker 3: me how it makes you feel. Ridiculous in the sense
Speaker 3: it's bizarre, not because the contents are ridiculous. Disclaimers are
Speaker 3: always necessary. Sheep found guilty and sentenced to three years
Speaker 3: in jail for killing a woman in Africa. In the
Speaker 3: latest edition of Bizarre News, a sheep has been found
Speaker 3: guilty and sentenced to three years in jail for killing
Speaker 3: a woman in Sudan, Africa. It's reported that earlier this month,
Speaker 3: police in South Sudan took a sheep into custody after
Speaker 3: attacked a forty five year old woman. It's reported that
Speaker 3: the ramp repeatedly headbutted her and broke her ribs, and
Speaker 3: while recovering from the attack, she sadly succumbed to her injuries. Now,
Speaker 3: that's not the first time that animals have been arrested
Speaker 3: in history.
Speaker 1: It's happened quite a bit.
Speaker 3: What when, Yeah, Like in the sixteenth century, it was
Speaker 3: a rooster put on trial because it laid an egg
Speaker 3: and roosters can't lay eggs.
Speaker 1: But it was a hen.
Speaker 3: It happens misdiagnosis, it's diagnosed it, so this is not
Speaker 3: the first time, but it still is so bizarre. In
Speaker 3: that case of the rooster and the hen, I'm pretty
Speaker 3: sure the rooster lost the trial because it didn't show
Speaker 3: up to court because it had no lawyer to represent it,
Speaker 3: didn't know what time it was meant to go classics,
Speaker 3: tardy for the party.
Speaker 1: Did he get lynched?
Speaker 3: I'm not sure, and I should know because I did
Speaker 3: a deep dive on this once before. But you know,
Speaker 3: these old history stories, the records aren't clear.
Speaker 1: What are all those people? How did they live? People
Speaker 1: in the old days scare me.
Speaker 3: But people now, I think the average person does a
Speaker 3: pretty poor job of documenting their life, like you don't
Speaker 3: know what happened last week, Tuesday?
Speaker 2: Kind of nice like that. So I almost dround. I
Speaker 2: won't stop talking about that. You shouldn't milk it, flex
Speaker 2: and frooms sex.
Speaker 1: I know that you love to make money. We love
Speaker 1: to talk about money.
Speaker 2: I think it's a really beautiful thing to talk about
Speaker 2: because it's crafty, it's kind of like strategic and Lebron
Speaker 2: James not sure if you're a fan, big basketballer man,
Speaker 2: absolute icon. He made one hundred and twenty one point
Speaker 2: two million dollars last year, which means he has become
Speaker 2: the first active NBA player to be a millionaire.
Speaker 3: And that's with what like through sponsorships, through his signing deal, Like,
Speaker 3: where is that money coming from?
Speaker 1: Let me tell you. Thanks.
Speaker 2: He's thirty seven years old, which is like ten years
Speaker 2: older than us. I think of Lebron James as super old.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, like Lebron is he's been around for so long, so.
Speaker 3: Has like Beyonce, but she's also like forty.
Speaker 1: Yeah old, just kidding.
Speaker 2: He has just completed his nineteenth season in the league,
Speaker 2: and he's the second NBA star overall to join the
Speaker 2: three Comma club with one billion dollars. He joins Michael
Speaker 2: Jordan's billionaire billionaire. He joins Michael Jordan, who did so
Speaker 2: in twenty fourteen, but that was long after his career
Speaker 2: came to an end. Per Forbes, James is the highest
Speaker 2: paid active player in the NBA, having earned more than
Speaker 2: three hundred and eighty five million in total salary from
Speaker 2: the Cleveland Cavaliers, Miami Heat, and Los Angeles Lakers.
Speaker 1: But Los Angeles Lakers, how else do you say it?
Speaker 1: La Lakers Lakers?
Speaker 3: They say, you know, Frums is plagiarizing this.
Speaker 1: It's a copy of paste. I never know what the
Speaker 1: next is going to be.
Speaker 2: The bulk of his worth comes via endorsements and business
Speaker 2: ventures totally more than nine hundred million, including a lifetime
Speaker 2: deal with Nike that pays him tens of millions per year.
Speaker 3: A lifetime deal with Nike. I wonder what that looks like.
Speaker 2: And what happens if one day he makes a one
Speaker 2: to eighty turn and decides all he wants to do
Speaker 2: is eat McDonald's and.
Speaker 1: Sit at home. He could do that with ease, and
Speaker 1: now he would stick around.
Speaker 3: And meant, well, yeah, I think the contract exists while
Speaker 3: he's playing.
Speaker 1: I think it exists exists if he stops playing.
Speaker 3: He could stop today and still be a legend.
Speaker 1: I guess NI line up to work with him even
Speaker 1: if he stopped playing. Look at Shack very tall. Yes,
Speaker 1: as basketball players are hanging on by a thread, But
Speaker 1: how cool is that?
Speaker 2: So I reckon sports people if you go about it cleverly. No,
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of pressure actually, especially in
Speaker 2: Australia on like AFL players, because you make tons of
Speaker 2: money when you're like ten, and then you retire when
Speaker 2: you're twelve, and then you don't have a Uni degree.
Speaker 1: You don't have this, or you don't have that. I
Speaker 1: don't have a Uni degree. Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: I think athletes can pivot into entertainment seamlessly. I think
Speaker 3: they have a lot more career prospects than we give
Speaker 3: them credit for. But I also think, to Lebron's credit,
Speaker 3: very few athletes will ever even have a percentage of
Speaker 3: what he's made.
Speaker 1: Like, not only do you need to.
Speaker 3: Be so physically gifted to be an athlete that's already
Speaker 3: the first hurdle, Then to not be injured at any
Speaker 3: capacity to maintain your career.
Speaker 1: Second hurdle, then.
Speaker 3: To maintain or gain enough notoriety, enough popularity to be
Speaker 3: worth any kind of sponsorship, because there's a ton of
Speaker 3: athletes who aren't mainstream popular. Then to be a good
Speaker 3: business person or to have yourself surrounded by good business people.
Speaker 3: Then to not being exploited to deals. The odds are
Speaker 3: zero point zero zero zero one percent one at.
Speaker 2: A billion, so they go Lebron James whip that out
Speaker 2: in next dinner party and say that you really do
Speaker 2: know who that is and that you know it's the
Speaker 2: LA like it's not the Los Angeles like it. Learn
Speaker 2: from my mistakes is the point of that segment.
Speaker 1: Just the Lakers. That also works.
Speaker 3: Okay, good it a feedback.
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