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Speaker 1: Hello is doctor Justin Colson. Welcome to the Happy Family Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm here with missus Happy Families, my wife and mum

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Speaker 1: to our six kids, Kylie. Today we're going to be

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Speaker 1: the voice of reason. There's a post from somebody called

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Speaker 1: Shannon Taki. She's a mom of five, she has triplets,

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Speaker 1: and she shared this video on Instagram and Facebook showing

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Speaker 1: how she makes her son's bed and picks up his clothes,

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Speaker 1: and people had feelings about it. So the text overlay

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Speaker 1: on the video while she's tiding up his bedroom says this,

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Speaker 1: This way, when he gets home, he can get his

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Speaker 1: Isn't that great? But not everybody felt the same way.

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Speaker 1: What's your reaction when you see something like that?

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Speaker 2: Whole heap of feelings there? The first thing is it

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Speaker 2: interests me what people feel they should share on socials well,

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Speaker 2: there's that, But secondly, why everybody has to have an

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Speaker 1: Well, in fairness to Shannon Taki, I'm not sure that

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Speaker 2: And that's how I feel about it. I just I

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Speaker 1: the conversation that you need to have.

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Speaker 2: I saw a post the other day and a mum

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Speaker 2: of six put up six things that she does to

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Speaker 2: simplify her daily running of family life with six kids,

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Speaker 2: and one of her points was the acknowledgment that she

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Speaker 2: doesn't do a weekly chor chart. It's a yearly chorchut.

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Speaker 2: I love that I don't have to remember who's doing

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Speaker 2: what job because they're doing it for a whole year.

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine the complaints about I mean, the main

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Speaker 1: one is feeding the dog rock can we'd have to

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Speaker 1: deal with like a less.

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Speaker 2: Dog that everyone begged to have eleven and a.

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Speaker 1: Half months of complaining I don't want to feed the

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Speaker 2: But you also acknowledge that they perfect that job. By

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Speaker 2: the time they've done it for twelve months, they have

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Speaker 2: they've really really got it under wraps.

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Speaker 1: All right. Explore what the kids feel about the chores

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Speaker 1: and their contribution. Explained that the contribution needs to be

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Speaker 1: made and empower the kids to come up with some chores, responsibilities, roles, tasks,

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Speaker 1: jobs that they're willing to do as their contribution to

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Speaker 1: the family. And by the way, if you want the

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Speaker 1: kids to have a clean bedroom and they just can't

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Speaker 1: get it done for any number of reasons. Do it yourself.

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Speaker 1: It's okay, just don't post it on social media. The

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Speaker 1: Happy Family's podcast is produced by Justin Roland from Bridge Media.

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Speaker 1: Love you, Justin, Thanks so much for your help and

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