1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Heading on down to Canberra right now, because joining us 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: on the line is Labour's Member for Solomon, Luke Gosling. 3 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 2: Good morning, Luke, Good morning Katie. 4 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: How are you really well? Mate? 5 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 2: Now? 6 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: I understand that today that the federal government is introducing 7 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: that bill for the two seats well in the territory. 8 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,479 Speaker 1: I guess we've fought a lot on this, or you 9 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: and I haven't, but the territory has fought quite hard 10 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: on this. I made it sound like we've been fighting 11 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: with each other. We need this to happen, there is 12 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 1: no doubt about it. And it does look as though 13 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: this common sense will prevail and the legislation will go 14 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: through this week. 15 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what we're hoping, Katie. But yeah, time will tell. 16 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 2: Tomorrow into the Senate, the government is saying they'll introduce 17 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 2: their legislation. So we look forward to that and hopefully 18 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 2: I'll be able to let you know sort of early 19 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 2: next week that it's gone through and we've secured those 20 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 2: two seats. So I just wanted to thank you everyone 21 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 2: who sort of assisted, regardless of your politics, us having 22 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 2: our federal representation down here on Canberra. Har was just 23 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 2: nonsense and I'm looking forward to getting that behind us. 24 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, it will be you know, it'll just 25 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 1: be I think a point for us all to sigh 26 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: relief once that does go through. 27 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 2: Luke. 28 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: It is looking as though it will happen before Christmas, though, 29 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: isn't it. 30 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's what the Federal government have committed to that. 31 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 2: They have committed that it will be guaranteed in law 32 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 2: by the end of the sitting year, which is at 33 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 2: the end of next week. But we're hoping because it's 34 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 2: a two week sitting, but we're hoping we can wrap 35 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 2: it up this sitting week. 36 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: Well, keep us up to date and let us know 37 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: how that all tracks along. Luke, I am keen to 38 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: ask you. You and I obviously spoke last week about 39 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: the Brereton Report. Now we know that tensions with China 40 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: really you'd have to say, reached an all time high yesterday, 41 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: with China's Foreign Ministry spokesman posting this doctored image of 42 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: an Australian soldier holding a bloody knife to the throat 43 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: of an Afghan child in an attempt to criticize Australia 44 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: over the Brereton War crimes inquiry. The Prime Minister Scott 45 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: Morrison has labeled the post repugnant. What would you say. 46 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 2: There was a disgusting image, really terrible and not becoming 47 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 2: a nation that wants to take a leadership role in 48 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 2: the world, or just a shared leadership role in our region. 49 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 2: We'd expect more than that from them, and I think 50 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 2: what we can be proud of is that a liberal 51 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 2: democracy that we had this investigation, that people will be 52 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 2: held to account for alleged crimes. That's our nation. That's 53 00:02:56,240 --> 00:03:00,639 Speaker 2: the way that we conduct ourselves, is putting the sunlight 54 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 2: onto these issues, not shying away from it. I don't 55 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 2: think China can say the same thing about the way 56 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 2: they conduct their internal security operations, the way their human 57 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 2: rights track record. We need only think back to Tenement 58 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 2: Square to see a situation where there was a lack 59 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 2: of transparency or following of any proper rule of law. 60 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 2: So I just think we need cool heads to prevail here. 61 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 2: The relationship with China is very important to Australia, but 62 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 2: we should always stand up for Australian interests. I think 63 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 2: we can be proud of the fact that we have 64 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 2: had this Burden inquiry to look into serious allegations and 65 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 2: that they need now to be followed through. 66 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you, and I just thought it 67 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: was it was a disgraceful post and I know that 68 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: the Prime Minister had also called called for an apology. 69 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: I doubt that that's going to happened, but it was 70 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: pretty disgusting. 71 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was an ideat that's going to happen as well. 72 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 2: And you know it's you know when that came out, 73 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 2: you saw the Parliament galvanize as Team Australia. This is 74 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 2: no time to be playing politics, whether it be with 75 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 2: the recommendations around the Burden inquiry or with our foreign relations. 76 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 2: I do think the Federal government needs to give their 77 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 2: diplomatic efforts a serious look. There is a problem when 78 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 2: our biggest trading partner we can't even have a dialogue 79 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 2: with them, which is the current situation. So I think 80 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 2: they need to look at that seriously. But we are 81 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 2: not we are not being critical of the Prime Minister. 82 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 2: He obviously needed to come out strongly. I recommend anyone 83 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 2: to have good Penny Wong, who's the Shadow Foreign Minister's 84 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 2: response to that tweet into that image, she spoke very clearly, 85 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 2: very strongly, and what is important is our national interest 86 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 2: is what the federal government is concentrating on protecting every day. 87 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 1: Look, just finally, I do want to ask you about 88 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 1: I know that Jackie Lamby today has again renewed those 89 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 1: calls you know, for further investigations into suicide when you 90 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: talk about our veterans. I believe that she's taken out 91 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: some full page advertisements in some of our larger national newspapers, 92 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: with a number of people signing those advertisements pushing for 93 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: this royal commission. What needs to happen in this space 94 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: from your perspective, a. 95 00:05:56,240 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 2: Royal commission is required into veteran and defense suicides. We've 96 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 2: had at least ten in the last three weeks. Now. 97 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 2: That's not to say that things haven't improved with the 98 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 2: services the Department of Veterans Affairs providing, but it's clear 99 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 2: that we need an arm's length review of the whole 100 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 2: continuum from recruiting through to end of days for veterans 101 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 2: and their families. That is what needs to happen the 102 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 2: federal government instead, and you and I have talked about 103 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 2: it before, Cody have sort of just come up with 104 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 2: a work around Internal Commissioner for Defense and Veterans Suicide, 105 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 2: which is going to be really ineffective and isn't going 106 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 2: to get us the recommendations that we need from experts, 107 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 2: from the families. So we support Labor supports a royal 108 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 2: commission in the veteran and defend suicide, and that the 109 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 2: government finally sees that this is such an important issue, 110 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 2: so important to get right and agrees and we can 111 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 2: crack on and get those recommendations to improve the overall system. 112 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Luke Gosling, we are going to have to 113 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: leave it there. I always appreciate your time, mate, Thanks 114 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: so much for having a chat with us this morning, 115 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: and we'll keep up to date with the situation in Canberra. 116 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 2: Keep cool, Katie. 117 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh mate, it's hot here. I'm sure it's probably 118 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: a bit cooler in Canberra. 119 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 2: It's going to get a bit warm. I think everywhere's 120 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 2: getting a bit warmer. 121 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: Good on you, Luke, thank you. And yeah, as you've 122 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: heard there obviously Luke Goslings saying we do need a 123 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: royal commission. I know that that is something that Jackie 124 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: Lamby has spoken out again about today. You know, Originally 125 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: I thought to myself maybe we're taking the right tag 126 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: t here the federal government in terms of appointing the 127 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: person who looks into this more broadly. But you know, 128 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: I don't know what the answer is. But even from 129 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: hearing from Luke just then that there's been ten suicides 130 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: he says that they know of in the last three weeks, 131 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: that is unbelievable. It's incredibly heavy stuff, and it just 132 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: goes to show you how important this is and how 133 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: important it is for us as Ozzies to make sure 134 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: you know that we get this right, that we support 135 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: those veterans and those still serving.