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Speaker 1: Orchestral Maneuvers in the Dark have sold over forty million

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Speaker 1: albums and recorded some of the most iconic sounds and

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Speaker 1: songs of the nineteen eighties. In nineteen eighty four, the

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Speaker 1: band released its fifth studio album, Junk Culture and Today.

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Speaker 1: A nineteen eighty four special guest is omd's Andy McCluskey.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, may welcome, thank you.

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Speaker 3: Good morning to both of you. Lovely to speak to you.

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Speaker 1: You too, now street, can we start with the name

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Speaker 1: of the band.

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Speaker 2: I know you've more often been called OMD.

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Speaker 1: I'm quite a formal person and I've I always tried

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Speaker 1: to call you Orchestral Maneuvers in the Dark.

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Speaker 2: Where did that name come from?

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Speaker 3: I approve of the formula.

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Speaker 2: Yes I am. I drive other people crazy, but yes

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Speaker 2: I am like that.

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Speaker 4: No, you don't.

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Speaker 3: Do you know what? Way way back in nineteen seventy eight,

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Speaker 3: when Paul Humphreys and I decided we were going to

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Speaker 3: dare to go on stage in a little club in

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Speaker 3: playing songs that even our best friends don't like, and

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Speaker 3: they're electronic and everybody else is playing, so we need

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Speaker 3: a weird name. We need a name that says we're

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Speaker 3: not punk, we're not rock, we're not discovered, And so

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Speaker 3: we frankly picked the most preposterous name you could think of,

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Speaker 3: because it didn't matter. We were going to do one gig,

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Speaker 3: and here we are forty five years.

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Speaker 1: Later, celebrated that she wasn't It would have been a

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Speaker 1: good band name too.

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Speaker 5: Proposter preposteros. It's a good one, super Pile on radio.

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Speaker 5: But is it true that you know that that time

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Speaker 5: you didn't? You, Mike really didn't that we're loving the

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Speaker 5: rock stuff over and with the Eagles and Pink Floyd

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Speaker 5: and we're not getting into that stuff, that Ticky Cynthi stuff.

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Speaker 3: It was certainly the electronic music was very alternative at

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Speaker 3: the time. Yeah, you know that there was a change

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Speaker 3: but nobody saw the electronic thing coming. We didn't either,

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Speaker 3: you know. I said we were just going to do

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Speaker 3: next next thing we got off and another gig and

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Speaker 3: another gig, and then a record, and then within eighteen

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Speaker 3: riding the first wave of electronic British synthpop which took

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was.

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Speaker 1: I was so inspired by your music when I was

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Speaker 1: in high school because first of all, I learned history

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Speaker 2: I didn't know that plane was go, so there's a tick.

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Speaker 1: And then we were doing a play about Joan of

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Speaker 1: Arc when I was listening to Joan of.

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Speaker 2: Arc, So that was. That was quite the coincidence.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad to have been of service.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you very much. Yes, mister mcsy I

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Speaker 1: lived and learned. Yeah, absolutely. Tell us about recording the

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Speaker 1: album Junk Culture, that's that was nineteen eighty four.

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Speaker 3: Yes, indeed. Well, and what's the crazy thing was that

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Speaker 3: weird and wonderful album called Dazzle Ships, which kind of

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Speaker 3: scared people. It was perhaps a little bit experimental, bit

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Speaker 3: at the time it nearly killed our career. So we

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Speaker 3: our songwriting, but it didn't stop having fun. We went

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Speaker 3: particularly we were in air Monsrat in the Caribbean, which

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Speaker 4: That is incredible. It's a movie.

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Speaker 5: A woman in Pertha helped to Mike. That is wellatively

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Speaker 5: with a look. If you haven't seen it already.

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Speaker 3: It's I mean it was. It was an amazing place

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Speaker 5: Destroyed by the Yes, can tell us about a long

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Speaker 5: term friend of yours and Pols called Winston? Tell us

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Speaker 5: the Winston story.

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Speaker 3: Well listen for those who don't know, Winston currently resides

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Speaker 3: behind glass in the Museum of Liverpool. Yes, and it's

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Speaker 3: not the person, folks, it's a tape. Well, this goes

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Speaker 3: This goes back to the early part of our career

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Speaker 1: Speaking of doing concerts like ten years ago and such,

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Speaker 1: I read, is this true that a prominent reason for

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Speaker 1: your reformation was so your kids could see you on stage?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? True. I I I retired when my son was born,

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Speaker 3: which is scary because it's twenty eight years ago. I

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Speaker 3: the kids, the kids had seen us on top of

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Speaker 3: the pop soul things. Yeah, yeah, they knew, they knew

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Speaker 4: And come back full circle.

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Speaker 5: What you guys about sixteen or seventeen When you write

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we absolutely were. I mean I look back now

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It was basically the first song we ever wrote together,

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Speaker 3: we had it was it was a pirate junk. But

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Speaker 3: we wrote Electricity. Yeah, when we were sixteen.

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Speaker 2: That's fantastic.

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Speaker 4: We were achieving budget sixteen. Good for you.

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Speaker 1: I think we can all agree in this room that

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Speaker 1: the mid eighties was the one of the greatest times

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Speaker 2: What were you listening to in nineteen eighty four?

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Speaker 3: Do you know what? Twenty four? It was a great

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Speaker 3: well what nineteen eighty four was a great year for albums? Yes,

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Speaker 3: there was simple I mean I was more always more

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Speaker 3: I think to recall Simple Minds had Sparkling the Rain

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Speaker 3: think had their first Frankie Ghost to Hollywood, have that

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Speaker 1: I spent the whole year in Reggie says relaxed T shirt,

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Speaker 3: Yes, I mean it was an amazing year. I think

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Speaker 3: I think you two had unforgettable. The Smiths released two

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Speaker 3: of went few. Okay, we had a warble with the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But I mean you mentioned eighties albums are bigger,

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Speaker 1: pardon and you know, kids today they just don't know

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Speaker 2: It was incredible. I think that's so sad.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a very different way of most people get

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Speaker 3: their music in a very different way. Orial has made

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Speaker 5: With the place albums and made all the way home.

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Speaker 3: Oh, Paul is the tech gig and I'm the art

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Speaker 3: and history guy. Okay, so I'm the one that writes

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Speaker 3: all the historical words. Paul is the one who has

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Speaker 3: was supposed to go and work for British Telecom. I

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Speaker 4: Killed Yeah, that's you. So do we blame him for

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Speaker 5: You guys buying a fail light for as much as

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Speaker 5: a small apartment in London because those things.

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Speaker 3: it was Australian, it had to be good. Did it

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Speaker 3: three and it was it was the one that we

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Speaker 3: made the junk culture album Wow. At the end of

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Speaker 3: at the end of eighty three into eighty four, we

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Speaker 5: No, wow, wow, good investment in the future.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure.

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Speaker 3: Do you know what now Paul has a fair light

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Speaker 1: Well, you are coming to Perth in next February were

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Speaker 1: the greatest hits to her? Why on earth have you

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Speaker 4: We blame the kids?

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Speaker 3: No, I can't blame this is well we were supposed

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Speaker 5: Absolutely amazing time, amazing when someone could spot someone who's

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Speaker 4: You know they're going to be a star. That's unreal.

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Speaker 3: Surely for research?

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Speaker 3: Well, she was seventeen. She wanted to be a page

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Speaker 5: Those beautiful melodies and things that you've just come out

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Speaker 1: There's a question we like to ask Andy, do you

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Speaker 3: Iron Man called. We didn't make it to the Battle

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Speaker 4: That was right, love it.

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Speaker 5: We know you're a you're not a but if you

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Speaker 3: Well, since people have been telling me for years and

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Speaker 3: until about five years ago to finally meet. So why

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Speaker 3: Listen. The Human League have got an amazing.

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Speaker 5: I love the Human I heard them four four years

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Speaker 4: His voices, it's mint, that's.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they can still sing. They put on great show

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Speaker 1: Well, we can't wait to see you after almost forty years,

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Speaker 1: thirty seven years since you've been here. But back in

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Speaker 1: February for the Greatest Hits Tour Orchestral Maneuvers in the

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Speaker 1: dark Red Hill Auditorium on February twelve, tickets are available

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Speaker 1: through ticketech right now.

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Speaker 2: Andy McClusky has been a pleasure.

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Speaker 3: Thank you both very very much, and I'll see you

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Speaker 5: Could probably talk till twenty eighty four, so we've both

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Speaker 5: better wrap it up. Yeah, all the best and bring

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Speaker 5: your bathers, Andy, bring your bathers.

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Speaker 2: Bye, heys hedy bye