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Speaker 1: We know the City of Darwin's release their budgets well

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Speaker 1: their draft municipal plan. I think it's say, for this

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Speaker 1: financial year committing one hundred and forty one million dollars

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Speaker 1: to service delivery and community initiatives. As I understand it,

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Speaker 1: it includes sixty one million dollars in capital works in

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Speaker 1: a capital works program that spits to enhanced liverability and

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Speaker 1: also stimulate the economy. Now joining us in the studio,

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Speaker 1: we've got the CEO of the City of Darwins some

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Speaker 1: own Sauness good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie.

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Speaker 1: And we've also got the Lord Mayor convat Scarlets Good.

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Speaker 3: Morning morning Katy.

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Speaker 1: Great have you both in the studio.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Now, First off, is there going to be a rate hike?

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Speaker 1: I think that's the question that most most listeners will

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Speaker 1: be wondering.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't call it a hike because we're very conscious

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Speaker 4: of the cost of pressures from the community. But at

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Speaker 4: the same time, were the same pressures on the council

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Speaker 4: because we buy goods and services and every time we've

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Speaker 4: got to buy something, it's about ten to twenty percent

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Speaker 4: more expensive, which reflects in every tend that we put

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Speaker 4: our for things we want to do. There's a modest

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Speaker 4: rate rise four percent, which below the CPI, and we

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Speaker 4: did that on purpose because we don't want to slug

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Speaker 4: our rate players with an excessive rate rise.

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Speaker 3: All right, so we try to keep it as as possible.

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Speaker 1: Four percent. Do you know how much that sort of

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Speaker 1: equates to for the every day territory over the year.

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Speaker 3: Or one dollar thirty five cents.

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Speaker 2: A week, seventy dollars a year, that'll be yeah.

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Speaker 1: Right now, I suppose you know. The thing I always

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Speaker 1: think about is if there are people that are going

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Speaker 1: what do they do if it's a worry for them

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Speaker 4: If the people are really desperate, they are avenues that

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Speaker 4: can approach the council and there are provisions to actually

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Speaker 4: consider the situation and take action how to help them

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Speaker 4: out from this situation. But I tell you that the

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Speaker 4: cost of living has increased in the past few years.

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Speaker 4: Every year we had very very few people they came

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Speaker 4: to asking for assistance. Because people have a choice to

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Speaker 4: and if the four behind, they can still approach us

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a hardship relay policy that they can apply through.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, so four percent rate rise. Now talk

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Speaker 1: us through though, what the council is planning on investing

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Speaker 1: in I mean, particularly when you talk about the infrastructure spent.

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Speaker 4: Well, we'll be spending in Darwin two hundred million dollars.

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Speaker 4: One hundred and forty one million dollars is an operation

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Speaker 4: budget and sixty one million would be capital expensure. To

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Speaker 4: give you an as you said, analytical, we'll be spending

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Speaker 4: sixty one million dollars on capital works, twenty five million

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Speaker 4: dollars on the sale Rabbisti, nine point five million dollars

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Speaker 4: to maintain our parks, eight point one million dollars for

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Speaker 4: point five million dollars for our four libraries, three point

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Speaker 4: two million dollars for planting trees. And that will be

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Right, So we're putting a lot of money because we're

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Speaker 4: then we'll complete it all their way to Garrimilla.

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Speaker 1: How do you sort of determine what you are spending

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Speaker 4: Well, some of them were kind of avoid it because

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Speaker 3: Because Red Paker was once.

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Speaker 5: And ask so City of Darwin's got a ten year

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Speaker 2: So that forms the basis.

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Speaker 5: Of what we'd like to do, and then elected members

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Speaker 1: Now, what about when it comes to something that you

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Speaker 4: Five million dollars being located for security, eight hundred and

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Speaker 4: forty thousand dollars will improve lighting. We're spending money for

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Speaker 4: the assertive outreach program there the rangers that go out

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Speaker 4: So we've got the significant expend it or safety. But

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Speaker 4: Assistant Commissioner himself admits that the security and crime is

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Speaker 1: Well, no, he didn't admit that the security and prem

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Speaker 1: is the responsibility of the ballet something in paraphrase him

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Speaker 3: Security, absolutely with security.

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Speaker 3: We're not committing not.

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Speaker 1: Committing funding to that. Even though the government's committing money

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Speaker 3: Up commits money to that.

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Speaker 4: One the council said, believes and or it was a

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Speaker 1: So what about what do you say to someone like

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Speaker 4: Well, actually, i would like to know how it's helping.

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Speaker 4: And I'm not saying that the blue the tills, they

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Speaker 4: help is more police. Vincek said that in his police review.

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Speaker 1: Even you're not prepared even to provide a stop gap

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Speaker 4: Rangers are there. Our rangers actually can patrol the city.

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Speaker 4: Now they're doing that one and not so the.

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Speaker 1: Rangers are going to be able to help now for businesses.

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Speaker 4: Needs assistance, arranger are always helping. They're helping the server circumstances,

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Speaker 4: all right. The thing again is it is my firm

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Speaker 3: Even the government admitted that they need to have police

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Speaker 1: They don't disagree with you. I actually don't disagree with you.

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Speaker 1: I do think that the best option is to have

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Speaker 1: moment where we don't have enough police. You've got the city.

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Speaker 1: Retailers came on the show last week saying, Katie, we

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Speaker 1: if the council doesn't support that. The government said they

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Speaker 1: do believe that that stop gap needs to say in place,

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Speaker 1: stay in place. They said, in an ideal world, we'd

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Speaker 1: obviously have the police to be able to do that.

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Speaker 1: We don't right now. But now we've got the council

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Speaker 4: This is a political argument in an ideal work the world. No,

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Speaker 4: in a real world, the police is out there. That

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Speaker 4: that happens in Brisbane. They don't live in an ideal world.

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Speaker 4: They live in every day world like we live. I

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Speaker 4: insist the responsibility for crime is the police.

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Speaker 3: Now they know that. Okay, if you can find sixty.

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Speaker 4: Police to take tilet springs in twenty four hours, well

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Speaker 4: I think you should. And I understand the depression of

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Speaker 4: the police, I mean much very clearly said, Look, domestic

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Speaker 3: To address the lack of policing in the city.

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Speaker 1: All right, So just from a because I know there's

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Speaker 4: So the other thing to say is here's the CPD.

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Speaker 4: Retailers are furious, what about the aler ones?

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Speaker 1: What about But we're talking about the CBD of a

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Speaker 4: Yes, the CBD should be actually the ones that government

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Speaker 1: The council and the council isn't good to do with them.

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Speaker 3: The segues and like they used to be on foot

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Speaker 1: So the council is not going to contribute to security

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Speaker 3: We will not.

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Speaker 4: That's a decision made by country because we believe we

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Speaker 4: can spend this money better in increasing our expenditure on

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Speaker 1: All right, I'm going to be very interested to hear

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Speaker 1: what our listeners think. So you, I guess, is the

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Speaker 1: expectation now from council that will the government if they

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Speaker 5: So the contract was always the Northern Territory Government's Contract

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Speaker 5: Act in City of Darwin for the past four years

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Speaker 5: and it started during COVID did contribute four hundred thousand

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Speaker 5: dollars a year to that program. As part of the

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Speaker 5: discussions that elective members have had and then decision made

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Speaker 5: by Council is that we also need to see future

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Speaker 5: investment in CCTV. We've also got further investment in bollards,

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Speaker 5: so we've got the community saying, hey, we want to

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Speaker 5: see bollards installed in our green belts so we don't

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Speaker 5: have cars driving through. So you'll see in this particular

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Speaker 5: two and a half million dollars spend. There's more CCTV,

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Speaker 5: we're investing in bolids, are actually working really closely with

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Speaker 5: the NTG in relation to where to place with police,

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Speaker 5: where to place those bollards, and we're also hearing from

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Speaker 5: the community as well they want to see more lighting.

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Speaker 5: So back to those I guess grassroots things that council

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Speaker 5: is absolutely responsible for elected members that are investing in those.

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Speaker 1: More situation now where what the council's realistically doing is going, Well,

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Speaker 1: do you know what government? You're actually responsible for personal

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Speaker 1: for the communities, not the council. So if you're not

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Speaker 1: able to provide the police that are required within the community,

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Speaker 1: then you need to foot the bill for security.

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Speaker 4: Katie, government or the territory. Gum has a role to

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Speaker 3: Solve the problem. We actually try to solve the problem actively.

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Speaker 4: We work very close with the police and we follow

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Speaker 4: The police told us that they want to see more

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Speaker 4: do that one. Our rangers now extend seven days a

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Speaker 3: We're actually we had the Sciet game.

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Speaker 1: How many ranges have we got?

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Speaker 2: So public places ranges?

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Speaker 5: We have eight public places ranges and we have two

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Speaker 5: assertive outreach and this is also a part of how

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Speaker 5: of Dalwin have for public places. They're not police officers

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Speaker 5: and they're not security guards. They have a broader responsibility. However,

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Speaker 1: Is there anything that counsel can do when it comes

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Speaker 1: You've got like you've got bad anti social behavior.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, now let's start that one. I deserve to behavior.

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Speaker 4: It's not caused by people randomly going there. It's actually

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Speaker 4: caused by alcohol. So we are the measures about cabing

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Speaker 4: asking me. And you have been talking about this. They

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 4: I have asked for certain things to be done. Some

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Speaker 4: Does police who is patrolling too kilometers law? The police

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Speaker 1: Sounds that the councils decided to flex their muscles a bit.

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Speaker 4: These are responsibilities. We're going to do it. These are

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Speaker 1: We're not going to be able to get to anything else.

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Speaker 1: And I do want to actually ask about the airport

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Speaker 1: rights situation. So Mick Palmer, the councilor, said that really

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Speaker 4: Well, we actually decided that we were trying to talk

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Speaker 4: they came and paid the rates. No new management change

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Speaker 3: The new management refusal to do that.

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Speaker 4: We tried to be nice, We tried to talk to

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Speaker 1: There are they reckon, they're prepared to negotiate, but have

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Speaker 5: So this it's been going on for three years in relation.

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Speaker 5: As you can see, the debts grown over a three

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Speaker 5: the council process was to for US office to put

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Speaker 5: if this debt isn't recovered, you're talking a one point

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Speaker 5: and I think too Yeah, to counsel A counselor Palmer's

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Speaker 5: is this is part of what your rates equivalent pays for.

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Speaker 5: There's a huge amount of storm order that runs off

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Speaker 2: Going to happen in that regard?

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Speaker 1: So is that something that's being looked at that they

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Speaker 3: To go there.

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Speaker 4: But at the same time, I cannot ask mister and

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Speaker 1: All right, a very quick listener question before I let

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Speaker 1: different subject, wondering if you can answer the Lord me

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Speaker 4: Bug well, following the advice by the Agricultural department. Where

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Speaker 3: And also I found out controlling.

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Speaker 1: Okay, just very quickly before I let you both go simone,

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Speaker 1: Where can people go if they do want to maybe

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that would be great. It's open for community feedback

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Speaker 5: for the next twenty one days. Go get onto the

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Speaker 2: So we really encourage the feedback.

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Speaker 4: And we read all the comments were received because some

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Speaker 4: actually that point's very valid and very important.

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Speaker 1: Thank you both so much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 1: Contact scarl as the Lord Mayor and someone SA to

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Speaker 1: see of City of Darwin.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you sir,