1 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: Coming up on today's show, Verrucas Soult and Anna Poul's 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: messy TikTok scandal, The Revealing University's study into tattle life, 3 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: Chloe Morello's anti climatic medical emergency, and the og Boyfriend 4 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: at Instagram returns to a nine to five. Hello, and 5 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the hottest influencer 6 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 1: and pop culture news twice a week. I'm Amy Torbert 7 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: and Sophie you have finally got your conuppance. 8 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 9 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: I do believe in karma, and this story really proves 10 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: that karma is real, because say, CARMA's your boyfriend, Because 11 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: listeners will remember. I think it was last year, maybe 12 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 1: a couple of months ago. I walked in on Amy's 13 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: husband Dale on the toilet doing a number two, and 14 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: I felt specified last time what he was doing obvious. 15 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 1: I mean I felt really bad for him because we 16 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: laughed that I could see his legs because his pants 17 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: were literally like down to his ankle. Glad, it's just 18 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: his legs, yes, anyway, And so Amy and I were 19 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: talking in the bathroom getting ready for this episode, and 20 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: Amy was standing in the bathroom and as we do, 21 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:07,119 Speaker 1: we go to the toilet in front of each other. 22 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: So I just sat on the toilet. Amy left left 23 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: the door open. I didn't know that her husband was home. 24 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 1: He then walks past sees me sitting on the toilet. 25 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: But I'm actually kind of glad about it because I 26 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: was feeling a bit awkward because I felt like I 27 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 1: had something over him. So now we're both equally embarrassed. 28 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: So Karma is the guy in the hallway seeing you 29 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: on the toilet, Well, yeah, I mean, and also I 30 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 1: mean maybe I still have a little bit of hand 31 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: because I was not doing a number two. I was 32 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 1: just doing a week So I still think it's bad 33 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 1: on his end. Well, your pants pulled right down to 34 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: the floor, like Dale's work. They definitely weren't. We were 35 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: discussing this. Women do not pull their pants to the floor. 36 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: I think it was on years if we had a 37 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: debate why do men do it? There's also men that 38 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: apparently get nude so they can take a shit, but 39 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: they'll also have a shower after they've had a pool 40 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: as well. How much time do these men have to 41 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: be removing all their clothes and then showering. Yeah, I mean, 42 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: it's obviously just an at home thing. I suppose girls 43 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: have their quirks of going to the toilet, like a 44 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:03,639 Speaker 1: lot of women don't want to do a pu at work. 45 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 2: So I did a question being on Instagram to see 46 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 2: what you guys wanted to see. 47 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 3: Does that make sense? 48 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: Madison Willie has revealed her boyfriend Jonathan Sower has been 49 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: forced to return to a full time job outside of 50 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: influencing the og boyfriend of Instagram, who famously dated Sharanni 51 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: Grimman in her heyday, has returned to work in the 52 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: finance world now. The thirty one year old previously worked 53 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: as an accountant before leaving his job to become Sharnee 54 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: Grimman's manager. Now, since then, he has worked as a 55 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: model and an influencer. I see Jonathan everywhere. I've seen 56 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: him when I'm walking down my shopping center, a big 57 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: photo of him at the barber He's ONKFC ads, all 58 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: these fast food ads opsm I think as well, all 59 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: these male clothing brands. He's everywhere. So he must have 60 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: had some success in modeling, yeah, but not so much 61 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: success in the influencing space. Because it hasn't really come 62 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: as a surprise to me. Thats been forced to return 63 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: to nine to five because he has lost over sixty 64 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: six thousand followers since May twenty nineteen. He's now sitting 65 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: on ninety nine thousand followers. It's pretty interesting because his girlfriend, 66 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: Madison Woolly, currently has seven hundred and thirty eight thousand followers, 67 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: and normally influencer relationships attract a lot of followers for 68 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: both parties. However, when you take a look at Social Blade, 69 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,679 Speaker 1: Madison Woolly has also been losing followers in their thousands. 70 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 1: So since July twenty twenty two, she has lost over 71 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: eighty one thousand followers. Something is not quite right though, 72 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: because prior to that date she was gaining followers at 73 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: a very rapid pace despite not having any life milestones 74 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: to actually match that growth. Very fishy. Yeah, So, for example, 75 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: in August twenty nineteen, she had an influx of fifty 76 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: two thousand followers in one month. So you would have 77 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: thought her boyfriend's Instagram account would have captured some of 78 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: that overflow in that month, but it did not. Her 79 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: large follow account is quite puzzling because it also hasn't 80 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: bolstered her brand twenty third in Madison, which is a 81 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: clothing brand. Yeah, well, she actually came out on her 82 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: podcast and said that she'd been really struggling with the 83 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: brand and that she was in debt from it, and 84 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: recently she has actually got a new manufacturer in Australia 85 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: and has been putting out more drops. However, there does 86 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,559 Speaker 1: seem to be something going on here because these follow 87 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: accounts don't make sense. Yeah, and also we're going to 88 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,799 Speaker 1: be talking about Tattle a bit later, but she doesn't 89 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 1: have a Tattle thread. And if you're a huge influencer 90 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: in Australia with nearly a million followers, as awful as 91 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 1: it is, you are going to be on that forum. 92 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: It she just doesn't seem to be on people's radars. 93 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: Back to Jonathan, he did make the temporary move from 94 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: Sydney to Noose with Madison late last year and at 95 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,919 Speaker 1: the time she said it helped because they both worked 96 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: for themselves, so they had this flexibility to work from wherever. However, 97 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 1: I wonder how this job situation is going to affect 98 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: that well, since COVID a lot of business jobs are 99 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,679 Speaker 1: remote as well, I wonder if he will have that flexibility. Surely, 100 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 1: his modeling career took a bit of a hit when 101 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: he did move to Queensland as well, because there wouldn't 102 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 1: have been as many opportunities as in Sydney. 103 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 4: Yeah. 104 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 1: I actually just wondered if her parents had anything to 105 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: do with it, because on a recent episode of her podcast, 106 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 1: she spoke about how Jonathan was best friends now with 107 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: her mum and dad, and I kind of feel like 108 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: maybe they've pulled some strings and got him a job 109 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: in NUSA. I think it makes Jonathan ten times more 110 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 1: attractive that he's actually back at work, and I wonder 111 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: if we're going to see a trend of influencers returning 112 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 1: to it. We heard Carti Milana and her podcast talk 113 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: about how the influencer space is a lot more competitive. Well, 114 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: it would definitely make his content a lot more relatable 115 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: to other men, because you know that we see all 116 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 1: of these business bro sort of content out there. And 117 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 1: also personally, I think that there'd be more of him 118 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: to film. Yeah, but I don't think he is going 119 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: to be filming this content. Well, I don't know, because 120 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: I noticed for some reason on my snapchat he is 121 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 1: always popping up as a suggestion, you know how they 122 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 1: are suggesting people to follow, and he is often speaking 123 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: to his camera in the car. He seems to be 124 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 1: documenting his health and fitness journey. Maybe Snapchat's paying him 125 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: because I know that they are really trying to get 126 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 1: influencers back on their platform. Can you imagine if he 127 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: returned to his old workplace and everyone's like, oh, knew 128 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: you'd come, ruarreling back back, welcome back. 129 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 4: Batman's daughter is so wealthy. 130 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 1: A very messy scandal has broken out on TikTok between 131 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: Varuka Salt and Anna Paul the key we born. TikToker 132 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 1: has accused Anna of allegedly neglecting her father. Now her dad, 133 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:37,359 Speaker 1: Hans has dubbed the allegations as toxic misinformation. Before we 134 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 1: dive in, Kate, can you bring everyone up to speed 135 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: with exactly who Varuka Salt is. I always laugh when 136 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: I see her name pop up because I actually didn't 137 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: twig that she has taken the name from Charlie and 138 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: the Chop Factory, so it only dawned on me the 139 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 1: other day. So her real name is Kimberly Summer Hearty, 140 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: and she is now twenty five years old. But back 141 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, she sparked a national manhunt when she 142 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: disappeared from a Gold Coast wedding. She was actually found 143 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: a week later by police working in a Woollongong brothel. Now, 144 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: given the extreme publicity at the time, Veruka went public 145 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: with the fact that she is a sex worker, and 146 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: she actually started a successful OnlyFans account off the back 147 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: of it. She now has six hundred and forty three 148 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: thousand followers on Instagram. Sadly, Veruka has been in the 149 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: news lately as her six week old son Cash tragically 150 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: passed away in early February. Now, I don't think Anna 151 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: Paul needs much of an introduction. She is TikTok Royalty 152 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: with over seven million followers and she has built a 153 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: following from sharing her traveler ventures with her family online. 154 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: She is also one of Australia's biggest only Fans creators. Now, Sophie, 155 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: I could not believe it when you sent rukas video through. 156 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: What is going on? Well, she has ignited an absolute 157 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: shit storm on TikTok and somehow she has inserted herself 158 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: into a story that she readily admits has absolutely nothing 159 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: to do with her. Now, her reason for dropping this 160 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: bomb is that the information has apparently been keeping her 161 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: awake at night and she feels she has to tell 162 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: everyone now. Veruka posted a series of TikTok videos making 163 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: claims about a popular Australian TikToker at the time. She 164 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: did not name Anna, but dropped many clues inferring that 165 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: it was her, so her audience instantly guessed that she 166 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: was talking about Anna Poul. The video has since been deleted, 167 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: but Varuka then went on to confirm on her Instagram 168 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: story that the allegations she made were about Anna Paul. Now, 169 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: before we get into these claims, I do want to 170 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:42,479 Speaker 1: reiterate that these allegations are merely that they are allegations. 171 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 1: There's no factual evidence to say that this is in 172 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: fact true. Now, Varuka claims she has been holding onto 173 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: this information for a month. She said her babysitter came 174 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: to visit her two days after her son passed away 175 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: and dropped that she was dating Anna Paul's father, Hans. 176 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: What a small world we live in with influence now, 177 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: Varuka described the babysitter as a sweet little old lady 178 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 1: who wouldn't make up shit. Let's throw it to a 179 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 1: snippet of Aruka's claims. 180 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 2: She's telling me that like he smells bad and he 181 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 2: lives in his van and he can't really shower. 182 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 4: He doesn't have money for food, and I'm like, what 183 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 4: are you talking about. That man's daughter is so wealthy, 184 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 4: what do you mean he doesn't have money for food. 185 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: Veruka then went on to explain that she discussed these 186 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: allegations with a group of her friends at her son's funeral. 187 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: She claimed that one of her friends of a friend 188 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: used to live with the pol family and they backed 189 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: up these claims. Here's what she said. 190 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 2: My friend and former associate of this influencer went to 191 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:47,959 Speaker 2: go get some food and they saw those person's dad 192 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 2: in the parking lot. So my friends like, what is 193 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 2: this guy doing in the parking lot? And what is 194 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 2: he doing picking up somebody else's food? Doing door dash? 195 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 2: So former associate who's with my friend says, yeah, no, 196 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 2: he's literally homeless. Like the way that his children treat 197 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 2: him is disgusting. 198 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: Is it just me that finds it a little bit 199 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: strange that this was the topic of discussion at Varuka's 200 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: son's funeral. Yeah, I was thinking about that, but then 201 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: I reflected on the discussion that we had at a 202 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: funeral recently, and a lot of the time you're almost 203 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: trying to take your mind off what you're going through. 204 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: But you still have a few lighthearted moments, so maybe 205 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: this was her way of dealing with this situation now. 206 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: Varuka then went on to propose the real reason that 207 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 1: Hans allegedly doesn't live in the house with Anna and 208 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: her family. Here's what she. 209 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 2: Said, And the whole reason the dad doesn't live in 210 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 2: the house is because the mum cheated on him. The 211 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 2: mom's really weird and would say stuff like are you going. 212 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 4: To buy me this? Or do you love Papa more 213 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 4: than me? 214 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 2: And then the children will say so the dad like, oh, 215 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 2: if you wanted to live in the house, you should 216 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 2: have bought. 217 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:51,199 Speaker 4: Bitcoin when we were kids. 218 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 3: Ah. 219 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 2: This man is doing door dash so that he can 220 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 2: afford a gym membership, so he can afford a shower 221 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:02,319 Speaker 2: or his showers at the showers at the beach, and 222 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 2: his daughter is so rich and the worst part is 223 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 2: that she sits on the internet and pretends to be 224 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 2: so caring when this man is basically starving and filthy 225 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 2: because she refuses to do anything about it. 226 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: Aruka then went on to say that what eats her 227 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: alive about this situation is that Anna sits on the 228 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: Internet and plays gift giver. It's interesting to note that 229 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: Veruka's allegations come off the back of Anna Paul recently 230 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: publicizing the fact that she gave her ex boyfriend Glenn 231 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 1: Thompson a luxury car that some people are saying is 232 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: worth up to two hundred thousand dollars. She also gifted 233 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: her mother a BMW in twenty twenty two, so she 234 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: has been known to gift a lot of cars. So 235 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: people are saying, well, why is her dad driving around 236 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: in this crummy old van? And Veraruka finished the video 237 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:53,239 Speaker 1: by saying, there's more rumors about the businesses and the breakups, 238 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: but she hasn't come out with the rest of it 239 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 1: because she already feels like it's a situation of people 240 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,439 Speaker 1: will shoot the messenger. That's very interesting. I don't know 241 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: why she is inserting herself into the narrative, particularly after 242 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: the last couple of months that she has had. It's 243 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: been a tough time for her emotionally, obviously, with the 244 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: very devastating passing of her son, and she has been 245 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: copying a lot of heat online about how she's been 246 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: dealing with it. She's obviously got some terrible messages that 247 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 1: no mother should receive. So I do find it odd 248 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 1: that she is trying to at this point create this 249 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: shit storm between her and Anna Paul. Well, it's interesting 250 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 1: because she's not a stranger to these callout videos. She 251 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: did make headlines back in twenty twenty one when she 252 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,559 Speaker 1: had a public falling out with Peach. I do remember 253 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 1: that now. I mean, obviously Tiktoker's use it as a 254 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: strategy to get more followers, to get better engagement. We 255 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: saw a couple of weeks ago how Kat Clark was 256 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 1: using Anna Poul's name to boost her branding of her 257 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 1: new beauty launch. I understand why she's done it, but 258 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: I think that the timing is so off considering what's 259 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: been going on with Ruka these rumors are true, I 260 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,559 Speaker 1: don't understand why Anna Paul is expected to fund her 261 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 1: father's lifestyle. I know she comes across as extremely generous online, 262 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,439 Speaker 1: but we don't know the ins and outs of their relationship. 263 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:15,439 Speaker 1: I totally agree Amy. We often see influencers gifting their parents' 264 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: luxury items, but when I reflect on that with my parents, 265 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 1: I feel like they would feel deeply uncomfortable to accept 266 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: those big items from me. And would rather me save 267 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: my money. Also, it was very awkward because Aruka has 268 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: since come out and said that she actually sent Anna 269 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:34,199 Speaker 1: paul a DM on Friday about the matter, and Anna 270 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: viewed it and never replied. But this message was very 271 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 1: had a really rude tone to it, so the message 272 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: that she sent was very confronting. She wrote, I found 273 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,439 Speaker 1: out not through the influence of viron. I found out 274 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: by happenstance that your dad is borderline homeless and living 275 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: in his van doing door dash for some money, and 276 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: he's showering at the gym slash beat showers. I heard 277 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: that you apparently text him just to be in your 278 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: videos with you. It hurts me as a former homeless 279 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 1: person and also a parent. I couldn't deal with the 280 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: pain if I was him. If this is true, it 281 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: also shatters the version of yourself you have shown to 282 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: me and your audience. To be honest, I know that 283 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: this lifestyle for him is true, but I was wondering 284 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: if you have a side or something about it. It 285 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: is just so incredibly awkward because in this screenshot you 286 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: can see that Anna actually wrote Veraruka a really nice 287 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: message saying have fun Angel in response to her going 288 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: to the Taylor Swift concert. It just all seems very 289 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: high school. I don't understand why this argument needs to 290 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: be playing out online. Surely, if Verruka is as connected 291 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: as she is in the influencer industry, she could have 292 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: spoken privately with Anna about this. Is she was truly 293 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: concerned about it. I feel like Ruka's message to Anna 294 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: demonstrates this rationale that a lot of gen Zettas have 295 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: They sort of try and center themselves in everyone else's story. 296 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: So the fact that she has previously been homeless, she 297 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: feels like Anna owes her an explanation about her dad's 298 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: very private situation. And when you do look at homelessness 299 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: rates a lot of the time it's to do with 300 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: very personal issues like mental health or addiction. You don't 301 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: know what's going on in someone's life. And to expect 302 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: to send out a message like that where you have 303 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: laid out so many separate allegations to her and she's 304 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: supposed to open up. I mean, if anything, this seemed 305 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: like a bit of a fishing exercise, so that then 306 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: Anna could write in detail, and then maybe she could 307 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: maybe Veraruka could use that in a TikTok. Yeah, I 308 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: don't understand why Veruka thinks it's any of her business. 309 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: Can you imagine how awkward the baby sitter must feel 310 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: in all of this. But she's trying to date Anna 311 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: Paul's dad and this is all blown up because of her. 312 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: I don't really like the way that Veruka went about 313 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: sending this message, because she could have messaged her and said, hey, Anna, 314 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: are you free for a chat on the phone. It 315 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: seems like very accusatory and as you said, it's kind 316 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: of like she's trying to trap her to say something. 317 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 4: Yeah. 318 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: It seems quite strategic to me because I think Veruka 319 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: has probably thought, hmm, I'm going to do a call 320 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: that video, but I want to touch all bases and say, actually, 321 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: I can't tact at Anna, and these are the receipts. 322 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: To me, it doesn't prove anything. And I don't know 323 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: why we're digging around in the personal family life of 324 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: Anna Paul. It's her dad's prerogative if he wants to 325 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: share whatever his situation is. We don't even know if 326 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: this is true. Well, these accusations have led to very 327 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: curious followers to go and dig more into Anna Paul's 328 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: dad's pass and many quickly discovered on his Instagram that 329 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: Hans quite openly posts about his adventures in his van, 330 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: and in his bio he actually lists van life as 331 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: one of his interests. So in one post, he shared 332 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: a photo of his dashboard and wrote, another milestone for 333 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: my little van slash home. I could not stop in 334 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: traffic to document the round number, but who cares. This 335 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: car was only ever meant to be an interim solution, 336 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: but it's proven itself to be the perfect compromise. Cheap 337 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: to run even as a food delivery van, easy to 338 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: park anywhere, and comfortable enough to sit in on a 339 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: rainy few days. Here's to another three hundred and forty thousand. 340 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: He then shared a photo of him he using his 341 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: coffee to his van and wrote, if you live in 342 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:05,719 Speaker 1: a van, you were free and can go anywhere. So 343 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 1: it makes perfect sense if you want to be somewhere 344 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: in the morning, to go there the night before and 345 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: sleep there, no peak hour traffic to fight. So it 346 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:15,959 Speaker 1: is quite clear that yes, he is actually living in 347 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 1: this van, but it seems to be his choice. I 348 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 1: don't think it proves that he's living full time in 349 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: his van. I think it just shows that he does 350 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: go on road trips and sleeps in the van. I mean, 351 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 1: I don't understand why just because his daughter has come 352 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: into money in the last couple of years, it means 353 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 1: that his whole life would change. He might be someone 354 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: that loves traveling, that loves camping, that loves being in 355 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: his van. Like it's not necessarily a bad thing. I know, 356 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 1: if Dale and I suddenly came into a lot of money, 357 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: it wouldn't necessarily affect the way that some of Dale's 358 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,919 Speaker 1: family members live. Like, for example, his grandpa lives on 359 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: a property, he loves camping. There's no way that he 360 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: would accept money from us. And maybe that's what's happened 361 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: with Anna Paul's dad. He might, you know, be happy 362 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: to stay at a house, but he probably loves the 363 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: lifestyle that he has. I think Aruka has called Anna 364 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 1: out on this because she does really like to show 365 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 1: her family in a certain light. So she speaks a 366 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 1: lot about how her mum and dad, despite being divorced, 367 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,719 Speaker 1: get on really well and their partners get on well, 368 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 1: and she kind of betrays them as this perfect family 369 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:18,679 Speaker 1: that everyone would love to be a part of. So 370 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: I think that's why a lot of people have been 371 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: shocked by this apparent revelation because it's against what Anna 372 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: has been putting out online. But we've got to remember 373 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: she shares one to two minute tiktoks every now and then, Like, 374 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: it's not a shock that things will be going on 375 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: privately in the background. Well, you're calling it a revelation, 376 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: it's actually a very big accusation by Veraruka. Yeah. It's 377 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: quite interesting though because Mikayla Testa, who is Adas Paul's 378 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: ex girlfriend. She has since come out because she I 379 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: think a lot of people assumed that maybe Michaela was 380 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 1: the friend associated with the family that she was talking about, 381 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: because her and Veruka are well known friends. Apparently they've 382 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: actually seen it's had a falling out. But Michaela came 383 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: out and said, look, she doesn't think that the Rukus 384 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 1: should have called Anna out like this and explained that yes, 385 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 1: Hans actually loves his van. He travels a lot in 386 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: his van. He's a very hippie man and even when 387 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: they've offered him a bed in the house, he would 388 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: rather sleep in his van in his garage. So I 389 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: think that this story has been blown up and at 390 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 1: the time of recording, Anna Paul hasn't commented publicly on 391 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 1: the allegations, but Hans has slammed it as toxic misinformation, 392 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: so he put out a statement on his Instagram saying, 393 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: it has come to my attention that there has been 394 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 1: some toxic misinformation going on about my private life and 395 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: my relationship with my family. This is just to set 396 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: the record straight. I have been living my dream and 397 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: my daughter has been nothing but supportive. If you have 398 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 1: a look at my Instagram feed, you will easily discover 399 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 1: that I've been traveling the world in the last few 400 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: years and that I am lacking nothing. I am very 401 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: proud of what my daughter Anna has achieved and of 402 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: the person she has become. If there is anything that 403 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: can be taken from this, it is idle gossip causes 404 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: nothing but hurt. Don't participate. Now back to my family holiday. 405 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:09,919 Speaker 1: And it is quite ironic because he is currently in 406 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: Miami with Anna and Addis at the moment, which doesn't 407 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: really buy into the image that Veruka has been creating. 408 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: And even though Hans has put out this comment, it 409 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: did lead to one follower saying, are you broke, homeless 410 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: and not being financially supported by your daughter and he replied, 411 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 1: that is crazy. I'm in Miami now, my daughter is 412 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,439 Speaker 1: the best. Now Veruka has hit back, saying, of course 413 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: Anna's dad is going to go along with it, as 414 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: he'd rather see his children than go against them for 415 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: his own good. She continued, maybe when they get back 416 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:43,879 Speaker 1: from their publicity vacation, he'll be back doing door dash. 417 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: I'm just so shocked that Veruka would make these accusations 418 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: so publicly, because we know what a huge fan base 419 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: Anna Paul has, and she has been copying a lot 420 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: of trolling since she came out making these claims. Yeah, 421 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: the trolling of Veruka has been quite appalling, particularly because 422 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 1: a lot of people have been bringing in the death 423 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 1: of her son. We won't be going into those comments 424 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: because it's just too appalling to give airtime. Anna Paul 425 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,640 Speaker 1: has also been copying it though as well, because I 426 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: think it's all down to tall poppy syndrome. I have 427 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: been noticing this shift towards Anna Paul very recently, ever 428 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: since her breakup with Glent Thompson. People seem to just 429 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: want to tear her down at the moment, and this 430 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 1: has definitely ignited that. In all of this, I don't 431 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: understand why Adas has got off scott free because if anything, 432 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: he has put forward in the past couple of years 433 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: that he is very wealthy. When he first started on TikTok, 434 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: he was living it up on yachts and talking about cryptocurrency, 435 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: and I would assume he has a lot of fingers 436 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: in different piles of businesses. I think it looks like 437 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: he's making a lot of money. So why is it 438 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: just up to the female to be supporting her father? 439 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: And why does Adas not have a say? He also 440 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 1: lives in this house. Get where you're coming from. But 441 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: I think it's because Anna has built a brand on 442 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,239 Speaker 1: being really generous and being over the top with her 443 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: gift giving to family members, and that's why this story 444 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 1: is at odds with the persona that she's putting out there, 445 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: and also because she is the breadwinner of that family. 446 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 1: Adas may be earning money as well, but she definitely 447 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: is earning the most cash out of everyone. Do we 448 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: think that Varuka felt confident to put these allegations out 449 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: there because she thought that she had the truth defense 450 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 1: behind her, because if we do look into what she 451 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 1: actually said, he does live in his van. He drives 452 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: his van around but again I suppose the intention was 453 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: off though, because it's not a negative intention from it. 454 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 1: It's more of the personal comments that she's made about 455 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: Anna Paul's character that are the damaging ones and the 456 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: ones that would be defamatory. It sounds like gossip that 457 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 1: should have just been left in that friendship group. I 458 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 1: just think it shows how clicky and gossipy the GC 459 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 1: influencer community is. The fact that this was the hot 460 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,159 Speaker 1: topic at a child's funeral, yeah don't sit well with me. 461 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 1: I also think that all of her influencer friends would 462 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: have been geeing her up to say something because it 463 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: shows how competitive the industry is, and a lot of 464 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: luences would be looking on and being very jealous of 465 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: what Anna Paul has achieved, and also the grasp that 466 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 1: she has on business and brands. So it just shows 467 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: when someone is at the top of their game, there's 468 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 1: always going to be tool poppy syndrome and someone waiting 469 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 1: to bring them down. It's just disappointing that it's someone 470 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 1: who is in both industries that Anna's in, both OnlyFans 471 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: and also on TikTok. 472 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 3: So I was asking you, guys, hoping that you would 473 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 3: have like a trick. 474 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: Beauty influencer Chloe Morello has experienced every contact whereas worst 475 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: nightmare late on Saturday night, her contact lens became lodged 476 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: in her eye. Concerned followers urged her to call an ambulance, 477 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 1: with Chloe looking distressed and sporting a bulging red eye 478 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: on her stories, Sophie, how long did this ordeal go 479 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: on for? She told her followers that she had been 480 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: attempting to get this contact lens out for over two hours, 481 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: and she tried everything from contact tweezers to rubbing her 482 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 1: eyelid and also using lubricating eye drop. And she finished 483 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: the Instagram story by asking her followers should I just 484 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: sleep in it? Or should I go to the emergency room? 485 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: And the overwhelming response from her followers was go to 486 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,479 Speaker 1: the emergency room immediately. Really, I've slept in my contact 487 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: lenses before and it hasn't really done much, have you? 488 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 1: Because I thought maybe it's an old wife's tale, But 489 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: aren't you emu to go blind? Like I know, I've 490 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 1: done my research into it and it actually isn't an overreaction. 491 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 1: It can really damage your eye by sleeping in your 492 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: contacts because when you're wearing contacts when you're awake, Apparently 493 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: by blinking, you're getting a lot of oxygen back into 494 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: the corner. But when you're asleep, because you're not blinking, 495 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: it cuts off a lot of oxygen supply and moisture 496 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: to your eyes, which then causes these blood vessels to 497 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: develop and that starts damaging the corner. So but that 498 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 1: over time it leads to vision line. Yeah, but not 499 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: for one night. So I remember freaking out when I 500 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: left my contact lenses in overnight and I went to 501 00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: the optometress and he was like, oh, just wear your 502 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: glasses for a couple of days. I do think they 503 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: look for any scratches, but I wouldn't be calling an 504 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: ambulance if you can't get your contact lens out for 505 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: one night. She looked incredibly distressed, and she'd also preface 506 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 1: that she had slept in them before, So I mean, 507 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: it can be a serious thing if you're abusing it 508 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,880 Speaker 1: and doing it all of the time. Now, she responded 509 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: to her followers saying that she didn't want to go 510 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: to the ear and was hoping her followers would have 511 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 1: some extra tricks on how she could get the contact 512 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: lens out. Here's what she said, everyone's. 513 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 3: Seeing go to the ear. I can't go to the 514 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 3: ear right now because I've been drinking. Sev's been drinking. 515 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 3: I can't drive there. I'm not about to call an ambulance. 516 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 5: If I sleep in it, is it going to be 517 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 5: the end of the world, Because I've slept in it. 518 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 5: I've slept in my contacts before their dailies, and it 519 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 5: wasn't the end of the world. But I'm scared that 520 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 5: it would get further stuck if I sleep like this 521 00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,919 Speaker 5: is son. 522 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 1: I'm pretty glad She didn't call the ambulance because, in 523 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: a dramatic twist, it turned out that the contact lens 524 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: wasn't in her eye the whole time, so her partner, Seib, 525 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: attempted to remove the contact and kept telling her he 526 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 1: couldn't see anything in her eye, but she was convinced 527 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 1: that she could see it in the corner of her eye. 528 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 1: It wasn't until she put her glasses on that she 529 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: realized it must have fallen out, or that she never 530 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: put it in in the first place. By this stage, 531 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: Chloe's poor eye was looking so sore and puffy. She said, 532 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: her poor eyeball got really messed up, and she fingered 533 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,880 Speaker 1: it with less tact than a seventeen year old boy. Now, Sophie, 534 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 1: this happened to you on the night before my wedding. 535 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: In my defense, i'd only been wearing them for a 536 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: week because I specifically started wearing contacts for your wedding, Kate, 537 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 1: and we'd gone to the nail salon that day and 538 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: I stupidly opted for square long nail, so that was 539 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 1: making it even more difficult to get them out. And 540 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: you wanted to have like a really relaxed lead up 541 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: to your wedding and go to bed early. I think 542 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: I was up to one trying to get them out. 543 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 1: We were both up to one because I had to 544 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 1: be involved because I've been wearing contact lenses for probably 545 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 1: over ten years, and I kept trying to coach you 546 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: into I even got my own fingers into your eye. 547 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: It was me that was like, hang on, I don't 548 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,159 Speaker 1: think this is even in here. And we found it 549 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 1: on the ground, so it was so funny. It was 550 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: actually stuck to the edge of the mirror, like, yeah, 551 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 1: it was so funny. Maybe when I'm in that book, 552 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: because everybody likes us and I don't want to be 553 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: punished for being well liked as snark sites like tatle 554 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: Life and Guru Gossip rising popularity. A UK university has 555 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 1: conducted a study into the phenomenon of anti fans. The 556 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,919 Speaker 1: study has aimed to answer why so many young people 557 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 1: have recently turned on once loved influencers now amy What 558 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 1: are the trademark signs of an anti fan? Well, As 559 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: the name suggests, anti fans are people who unite around 560 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 1: a shared hatred of a particular influencer, so you see 561 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,719 Speaker 1: it all the time. Ons like tattle Life and for 562 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: those who haven't visited tattle Life before, it is a 563 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: safe place for people to criticize influences, which might sound 564 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: like an incredible site if you are a listener of 565 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: this podcast, but it does have a very dark side. 566 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: So nothing is off limits on this forum, with users 567 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: encourage to discuss influencers way appearance, mothering skills, or under 568 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: a cloud of anonymity. I actually saw a post go 569 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: up a couple of weeks ago in our Facebook group 570 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: and someone was in a panic because they said, has 571 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,439 Speaker 1: tatle life been taken down? And literally every time tatle 572 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: life is mentioned in our Facebook group, everyone's like, can 573 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: you send me a referral code, because in order to 574 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: actually post on this forum now you need someone who 575 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: posts on their regularly to invite you in. It is 576 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: interesting because we actually were sent a thread that we 577 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: are mentioned in quite a lot because it's about Australian 578 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: influencer podcasts, and it is so weird to be on 579 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: the other side of it because for years I have 580 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 1: been a lurker on Tattle Life. There are influens the 581 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: threads that I dip in and out of. I never 582 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: have commented on there. I don't actually have an account, 583 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: but it is interesting to put yourself in the shoes 584 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: of someone that is commented on there, because I think 585 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: it has a time and a place and where people 586 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: are actually commenting on people's actions and critiquing things that 587 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: they do. When it's critiquing actions, it's fine, but when 588 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: it gets to a point where you're talking about people's 589 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 1: appearances and their personal family relationships, it definitely crosses a line. 590 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: And what's interesting is the a range of users on 591 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: tattle because you would assume, oh, they're high school kids, 592 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: but they're not. A lot of their users are women 593 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: who have children. They're in their thirties, so they're in 594 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: their forties. I think the main issue with it is 595 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 1: the fact that you can be anonymous and you can 596 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: say whatever you like, and because, as Amy touched on, 597 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: you are this member of this like minded community and 598 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: some of the people they're talking about aren't a list celebrities. 599 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: They're very like random people. As you say, the fact 600 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: that we're a podcast and we've got some thread where 601 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: people are tearing into us. We're very small fry, but 602 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 1: people really bond over that, and I think that's why 603 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: it goes up a level, because someone will say something 604 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: very snarky and then they'll get a laugh and some 605 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: reactions out of it, and then someone else says something 606 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: to go on top of that and to be even funny. 607 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 1: That's the ironic thing about Tattle is that the people 608 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 1: on there actually really used to love the influencer that 609 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: they now focus on, but now they all have this 610 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: shared hatred towards that person. Well, it builds that sense 611 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: of community amongst them. 612 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 4: Yeah. 613 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: Now, this university study is really interesting. It examined two 614 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: hundred and ninety seven threads across two different snark sites, 615 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: and each of these threads contained over one thousand posts. 616 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: It's pretty funny to think about these researchers trolling through 617 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: the likes of Tattle and Guru Gossip to get their information. 618 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 1: Can you imagine some of their phases, Oh, it would 619 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: have been hilarious. And these researchers, they discovered that the 620 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: main reason followers turn on an influencer is due to 621 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: the parasocial relationship they have dive with them. So it 622 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: usually happens when followers feel like an influencer has started 623 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: withdrawing from their channel. So some fans start to feel 624 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 1: as if they're neglected or excluded from the influencer's life. 625 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: And I have seen this a lot on Tattle, especially 626 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: around Sarah's day. A lot of people fill in the 627 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: blanks once they feel like they have been left out 628 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: of this person's life. Well, there's a lot of creative 629 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: writing that goes into these threads because often they will 630 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: start a new thread with one of the members writing 631 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: a description that sets the tone of what has recently 632 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 1: happened in that influencer's life. And to be honest, sometimes 633 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,479 Speaker 1: I do have a chuckle at some of them. They 634 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: are quite funny. Yeah, they've almost created characters out of 635 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: the influencers. Yes, Well, the researchers also found that anti 636 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: fans felt exploited by influencers, and that was one of 637 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: the main reasons why they turned on them, because they 638 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 1: felt like they were being milked for brand deals or 639 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: used to fund the influencer's increasingly flashy lifestyle. I think 640 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: this is just a development that we've been saying ever 641 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 1: since the pandemic, because I feel like there was a 642 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 1: time where influencers were really idolized and people were willing 643 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 1: to buy into whatever they pushed on their profiles. But 644 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: once a pandemic hit and we had more time on 645 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: our hands to examine this whole influencer culture, people have 646 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 1: been wising up to the influencers bullshit and they realize 647 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: that they are trying to milk this relationship with their 648 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 1: followers in order to better themselves in terms of engagement 649 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: and also to get earn more money. That is the 650 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: relationship that it might feel like a parasocial relationship, but 651 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: an influencer's job is to influence you to buy something well. 652 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: US journalist Sarah Maniverz, she wrote this really interesting piece 653 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: for The Guardian on the university's findings, and she actually 654 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 1: labeled anti fans as delusional for believing influencers are excluding 655 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: them from their life because they were never actually friends 656 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 1: to begin with. She did say, however, that influencers were 657 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: somewhat to blame for the anger felt by the anti fans, 658 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 1: and she said this is due to the transactional relationship 659 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: they have with their followers. So she wrote, influencers professed 660 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 1: to be the blameless victims of a dynamic that is 661 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 1: almost entirely of their own making. So she went on 662 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 1: to accuse influences of actively trying to intensify a meaningful 663 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 1: bond between their audience to increase engagement and brand deals. 664 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 1: And she also went as far to claim that some 665 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: influencers stoke fan theories to encourage obsessive attention. I think 666 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 1: this is so true. Yeah again, Sarah's day comes to 667 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: mind because she has been very strategic with the way 668 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 1: that she talks to her followers. She calls them her 669 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 1: sissies and her best friends, and she always says, I've 670 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: got to jump on here and give you guys this update, 671 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 1: and often now those updates come with you should buy 672 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: this product. I do agree that influencers are stoking these 673 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: parasocial relationships because it does benefit their cash flow. But 674 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: as influencer culture grows, it's clear that this is a 675 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 1: huge downside for them. Being spoken about on sites like 676 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: Tattle is not great for their mental health. It's not 677 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 1: for their mental health, but it is good for their engagement. 678 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: Because if you manage to have the willpower not to 679 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,240 Speaker 1: look at these sites and block them out, it doesn't 680 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 1: really matter to an influence that if it's positive or 681 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: negative engagement. Engagement is big at the end of the day, 682 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,239 Speaker 1: and that's what brands look at. I agree. I think 683 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 1: it's actually a positive if you're being spoken about on 684 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: these types of forums, because if you're not being spoken about, 685 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 1: it means that you your content is irrelevant. And I 686 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 1: think that a lot of these influences would actually be 687 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,879 Speaker 1: smart to keep track of what sort of buttons they're 688 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 1: pushing which is generating these responses. I mean, I definitely 689 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,280 Speaker 1: think that Sarah's Day keeps an eye on them because 690 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 1: she does elicit a huge response from people, but I 691 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 1: think it benefits her brand, so she keeps doing these 692 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: controversial things. This is a thing. It's a tricky one 693 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 1: because I do think these types of forums do have 694 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 1: a place in that they allow people to hold influences 695 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,799 Speaker 1: to account. However, I think things have just gone too 696 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,360 Speaker 1: far on them and that there is moderation needed. I 697 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 1: truly don't understand how the site can continue because there 698 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,279 Speaker 1: are just so many defamatory comments being made on there, 699 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,360 Speaker 1: and obviously the way around it is because these people 700 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: are anonymous on there. It's sort of similar, yeah, but 701 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 1: it falls back on who is running the site, and 702 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,880 Speaker 1: clearly someone is making money off the site because it 703 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,320 Speaker 1: is full of advertisment. I think there's a view though, 704 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 1: that influencers should just griom and bear what people have 705 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: to say because they have this lifestyle. They're making so 706 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 1: much money off their followers that people just think, well, 707 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 1: this is the downside to fame, and I do tend 708 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 1: to agree, like, if you do put your life out 709 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 1: there and you share your opinions online, you should expect 710 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 1: some form of criticism and that people are going to 711 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 1: talk about you. But I think this form of criticism 712 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 1: is extreme. I think it is extreme in some circumstances. 713 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 1: But the best thing you can do, and what I 714 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,319 Speaker 1: do is I don't read it. I definitely think that 715 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,360 Speaker 1: there is space for people to have educated discussions on 716 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 1: influencer culture. And analyze different behavior of things that people do. However, 717 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: I just think that this page is becoming dead trum, 718 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,320 Speaker 1: mental and downright a site for bullying, and it's really 719 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: impacting the mental health of a lot of influences. It 720 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,359 Speaker 1: is very toxic. Well, we're going to leave things there, 721 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 1: but if you do love the podcast, please make sure 722 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,279 Speaker 1: you are subscribed and leave us a review. 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