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Speaker 2: Well, as you've heard, Labour's cocaine sex scandal continues, with

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Speaker 2: the issue now referred to the Parliamentary Privileges Committee. It

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Speaker 2: comes after the COLP accused the Member for Blaine of

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Speaker 2: got at the moment with crime in Alice Springs. Robin Lamley,

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Speaker 2: the Independent Member for Ara Lewin. Good morning, Robin, Good

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Speaker 2: morning Katie, Robin Firsley. This is certainly a very serious

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Speaker 2: situation around the Blaine MLA. Is this the best move

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Speaker 2: now for it to be investigated by the Parliamentary Privileges Committee?

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Speaker 1: Well, in theory it should be, Katie, but all the

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Speaker 1: I don't know what they're going to do with him.

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Speaker 1: I think, and it goes to a by election in Blaine.

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Speaker 1: And because it's going to the Privileges Committee dominated by

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Speaker 1: independent inquiry. And that's what the Chief Minister should have

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Speaker 1: It just makes me feel sick, Katie, it really does

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Speaker 1: But look, last night in Parliament I moved a motion.

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Speaker 2: And Robin, the concern that I've got is, you know,

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Speaker 1: That the Minister for Education sits in Parliament virtually silent,

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Speaker 1: It's not really difficult stuff to get on top of.

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Speaker 2: Robin, I know there was a question asked in Parliament

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Speaker 1: Came from the Minister for Tourism, the Minister for Health,

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Speaker 2: To start listening, you know, I've said it on are

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Speaker 1: It's part of the problem.

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Speaker 2: Robin Lamley, we are going to have to leave it there.

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Speaker 2: I always appreciate your time. We'll talk to you again

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