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Speaker 1: the point. Police Minister Nicole Madison, good morning, Good morning,

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Speaker 1: Katie Minister. Firstly, did you watch a Current Affair earlier

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Speaker 2: Oh? I saw the episode on Monday night and I

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Speaker 2: absolutely appalling. Police are investigating, they've already pressed some charges,

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Speaker 2: have issued some infringement notices. But to those people who

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Speaker 2: absolutely disgraceful and it was unfortunate. Our Current Affair we're

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Speaker 2: there to capture that and broadcast that all over national

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Speaker 1: So would you say it was it was disgraceful? Would

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Speaker 2: There are issues in our that we deal with every day,

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Speaker 2: and they have been for a long time, but this

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Speaker 2: particular fight is not something you see every day.

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Speaker 1: The morning after it was broadcast, there was two men

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Speaker 2: Well, that fight that I saw broadcast that night, and

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Speaker 1: Now, when you see or when you saw kids on

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Speaker 1: effectiveness of how we're currently dealing with young people who

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Speaker 2: We're certainly looking at ways in which we can do

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Speaker 1: It made a mockery I think of our bail conditions.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's a big job. There are plenty of people

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Speaker 1: Now, you and I have spoken about this crime situation

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Speaker 2: Well, we're putting more consequences in place. I think property

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Speaker 2: are some of the things that we are doing, Katie,

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Speaker 1: So it doesn't sound as though you do think we've

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Speaker 2: There is always more work to do on the crime front,

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Speaker 1: Does that make it right? Does that make it right though,

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Speaker 2: Yep? Well, Katie, I've grown up here and it's always

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Speaker 2: Well? I think that we are working around doing things

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Speaker 1: Community members in Alice Springs do not feel the situation

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Speaker 2: I don't think we need to do a community safety audit.

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Speaker 1: When are you next going to Alice Springs.

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Speaker 2: I'm their next Friday case.

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Speaker 1: The next Friday you'll be there? Is the Chief Minister

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Speaker 2: I'm going down because I have the Catman's conference. But

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Speaker 1: And look they have said today in the paper that

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Speaker 1: How about I mean, how about a community meeting while

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Speaker 2: So I've always said Katie that I don't think they're

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Speaker 1: Met Gooder, the co chair obviously of the Royal Commission.

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Speaker 1: Why don't you sit down? I mean you've said that

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Speaker 2: Because I do. I go out and I talk to

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Speaker 2: a lot of programs that are out there, Katie, we

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Speaker 2: We've got two operations in place right now, so there

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Speaker 1: But so at this point in time, the government is

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm saying I think the best way to go

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Speaker 1: Get don't you reckon? You need to listen to the

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Speaker 2: So, Katie, I actually do. I actually do go out

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Speaker 1: Minister. Let's move along, because I do want to talk

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Speaker 1: about another incredibly serious situation. I touched on it before,

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Speaker 1: When were you notified about this?

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Speaker 2: Well, in this case, police had determined that because they

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I found out on Monday morning, So that's when

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Speaker 2: I found out, and that's where I found out.

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Speaker 1: Do you believe that Territorians have a right to know

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Speaker 2: I think in this case, I can understand why people

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Speaker 2: Monday was the best time to put out this information.

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Speaker 2: The police make some really difficult decisions each and every day,

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Speaker 2: and I'm always going to go and imback them in.

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Speaker 1: Are you concerned that Territorians are not being notified about

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Speaker 1: serious crimes that are happening in the community.

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Speaker 2: The community is notified a lot, Katie. There's a lot

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Speaker 2: of information that goes out, and I do believe that

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Speaker 2: see some pretty horrendous things happen every day.

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Speaker 1: In the word. What would you say to Territorians that

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Speaker 2: You, please, day, back you. They have to make really

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Speaker 2: difficult judgment calls each and every day. Sometimes it's about

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Speaker 2: sure that they don't compromise investigations. But I have full

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Speaker 1: Minister, we are going to have to move along. I

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Speaker 1: know you're very pressed for time. I do just want

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Speaker 1: to ask you. I touched on it before. Obviously we've

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Speaker 1: seen this a current affair report. We've learned that a

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Speaker 1: a fourteen year old girl who was punched in her

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Speaker 1: that these issues are just the types of things that

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Speaker 1: we've got to learn to live with? Are they just

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Speaker 1: part of life in the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 2: No, you should never accept them, never accept them. And

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Speaker 2: that's why as government, as the community, we work hard

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Speaker 2: to crime. And you know, these two crimes completely unacceptable.

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Speaker 2: So it's something where we do work hard all the

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Speaker 2: unfortunately there are still people that go about doing the

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Speaker 2: wrong thing.

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Speaker 1: You and I again, we've spoken on so many occasions

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Speaker 1: I mean, are we at a point now where where

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Speaker 1: got to really take, you know, take steps that we've

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Speaker 2: So we've got to rah of legislative changes that will

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Speaker 2: better systems in place. I talked to the police regularly,

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Speaker 2: the Northern Churchy Police Association as well, and basically I

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Speaker 1: So Minister, I mean, do Territorians just need to be

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Speaker 2: As I said earlier, the system of government, you have

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Speaker 2: to constantly review what you've got in place where things

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Speaker 2: So that's what we're doing. We're listening to the police,

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Speaker 2: the people on the ground, what we're seeing out there,

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Speaker 2: and that's why we've made commitments around making the changes

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Speaker 2: I just spoke about.

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Speaker 1: Can you see how people are maybe feeling as though

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Speaker 1: that's not the case though, when you've just said that,

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Speaker 1: but then earlier in the interview, you said that you

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Speaker 1: won't have a commune meeting with the people of Alice Springs.

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Speaker 2: I'd go out, like I said that, I do meet

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Speaker 2: a whole raft of different people. But I just think

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Speaker 2: when you have those mass meetings, they're not as constructive,

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Speaker 2: as productive or in depth we can really dull down

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Speaker 2: into the issues. Is what you do when you sit

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Speaker 2: with a smaller group of people or individual Would it be.

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Speaker 1: An opportunity though, for the community to really feel as

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Speaker 1: though they're being heard well.

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Speaker 2: I do try to get out and meet with as

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Speaker 2: many people as possible, Katie, So I think that's a

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Speaker 2: really important part of it too, getting out there for

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Speaker 2: as many people as possible.

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Speaker 1: Police Minister Nicole Madison, I know you pressed for time.

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Speaker 1: We really appreciate you speaking with us today.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for the opportunity, Kay, thank you.

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Speaker 1: sixty eight nine four. One one oh four nine is

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