Speaker 1: This episode was recorded on Cameragle Land. Hi guys, and
Speaker 1: welcome back to another episode of Life.
Speaker 2: I'm cut, I'm Laura, and I'm Keisha filling in for
Speaker 2: Brits today because she's off visiting her lover, her.
Speaker 1: Fiance Ben in Romania. I mean, we do have another
Speaker 1: episode this week before we.
Speaker 2: Are actually technically on holidays, but Bridge just like she
Speaker 2: took an extra day, which I feel like you deserve if.
Speaker 1: You're doing a long distance relationship. She was like, I'm
Speaker 1: traveling and You're like, you're not traveling. By then she's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: i am, I'm on a plane.
Speaker 2: She's like, well, when you're eating cinnamon scrolls, I can
Speaker 2: see it on Instagram.
Speaker 1: I know what you're doing.
Speaker 3: She looks like she's having a magical like winter Christmas,
Speaker 3: which is very cool. But she will be back here
Speaker 3: to do ask Uncut on Thursday, and then we also
Speaker 3: have our year in review coming out on Christmas Eve,
Speaker 3: and because we are suckers for punishment, we will also
Speaker 3: have a brand new episode per week before we come
Speaker 3: back from the summer break.
Speaker 1: Do we Yeah? What are they? Which ones? You're recording?
Speaker 1: One with Matt.
Speaker 3: She's how you find out I did speak with Matt
Speaker 3: about it last week.
Speaker 1: You will be recording an ask Gun cut.
Speaker 3: With Matti, is recording an episode with Sherry, and also
Speaker 3: maybe an ask Gun cut with Ben, so that will all.
Speaker 1: Be coming brand new tiar ears over the summer break.
Speaker 2: This might be a really good time to ask you
Speaker 2: what exactly am I recording with Matt or for everybody
Speaker 2: listening now, if you have any questions that you want
Speaker 2: me to ask my husband, you know, like seven year itch,
Speaker 2: is that a thing? Whatever it looks like, send them
Speaker 2: to us in the DMS, and I will ask him
Speaker 2: and we will answer them on this recording that is
Speaker 2: apparently going to happen in the future. Also, I mean,
Speaker 2: I know that everybody knows this and it shouldn't come
Speaker 2: as a surprise because I think that there's been a
Speaker 2: lot of gearing up to it thus far. But Christmas
Speaker 2: is next Wednesday, everyone, next Wednesday. I just checked it
Speaker 2: again in my calendar to make sure that I wasn't lying.
Speaker 1: It is literally eight days away. If you're listening to
Speaker 1: this on Tuesday. Did that just blow me?
Speaker 2: That?
Speaker 3: Just blow your balls offn't even got my boyfriend's present yet, haven't.
Speaker 2: Yet forgot my kids presence, Yet Santa has been lazy
Speaker 2: this year.
Speaker 1: Every year, I.
Speaker 3: Feel as though you get to this point of the
Speaker 3: year and we all say, like, look, honestly, I'm crawling
Speaker 3: to the finish line. Like I really feel as though
Speaker 3: I'm army commandoing right now to the finish line. But
Speaker 3: knowing that it's only eight days away causes me more
Speaker 3: stress than I anticipated, because that means that I've got
Speaker 3: a lot to do in that period of time and
Speaker 3: I'm not even the one hosting Christmas.
Speaker 1: You're hosting Christmas, surely it feels worse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm so sorry to anyone who also hadn't checked
Speaker 2: their calendar and had kind of just not really put
Speaker 2: a timeline on how close the proximity of Christmas was.
Speaker 2: But I was sitting at the airport today. I literally
Speaker 2: flew in this morning for this record from the Gold Coast,
Speaker 2: and I was just looking at my calendar trying to
Speaker 2: figure out when was the next meat raffle at.
Speaker 1: The local RSL club so that I could win myself.
Speaker 2: I Am That's what I was doing at six am
Speaker 2: at the airport this morning.
Speaker 3: I love how much trust do you put in the
Speaker 3: fact that you're going to have like good luck syndrome
Speaker 3: and lucky girl syndrome.
Speaker 1: Sorry that you're actually going to be the one who
Speaker 1: wins the ham? Is that what happens lucky girls?
Speaker 3: A raffle ticket doesn't guarantee, I know, but I have
Speaker 3: to order one, Laura.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: But last year we won our pork and our ham
Speaker 2: from the meat raffle at the local RSEL, so I
Speaker 2: had my heart set on it because it came in
Speaker 2: very handy. We host and we have to feed a lot.
Speaker 1: Of pimmy very hammy. I thought, this year, that's it.
Speaker 2: We're going to go every time that there is a
Speaker 2: meat raffle until we've won our hams. But I realized
Speaker 2: I left it too late and there's no more meat raffles,
Speaker 2: so I have to go and buy the ham this year.
Speaker 1: That's real. Anyway, I've got that. I'm pretty sure that
Speaker 1: you should have already ordered it because you might get lucky. Anyway.
Speaker 2: How were the carols last night? They looked lit the carols?
Speaker 2: It was so good. Nobody does the carols like the
Speaker 2: surface Paradise page. To say that I am paid.
Speaker 1: Nana is good. It's the truth. I went to the
Speaker 1: Bondai Ones I went to the Paddington Ones. We are
Speaker 1: like Carol.
Speaker 2: I can't say Carol sluts because my kids are involved.
Speaker 2: Do get around when it comes to the Carols. And
Speaker 2: the Surface Paradise ones are so good. They even ended
Speaker 2: with the eight o'clock fireworks. The kids it was like
Speaker 2: they'd gone to Utopia. So when you're at the Carols,
Speaker 2: they obviously have like the back of house area where
Speaker 2: everyone has their kind of like tents to get ready in,
Speaker 2: and they had.
Speaker 1: Green rooms the carols. They had like little green rooms
Speaker 1: for the Carols.
Speaker 2: And the girls were in their little green rooms and
Speaker 2: a little tent next to us was Emma Memma, and
Speaker 2: they just sat there so completely enthralled. And Emma Watkins
Speaker 2: is she I don't think that like she's not like
Speaker 2: a normal human. She's literally like Sunshine personified. The way
Speaker 2: she speaks, the way she is, it's not just a
Speaker 2: stage thing like it is actually her. She is the
Speaker 2: most lovely person. It's like she floats. She doesn't even walk,
Speaker 2: she just floats down the road. You get a girl
Speaker 2: crash on Mmmo, I think I'm in love with Emma Memmo.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say we should have her on the podcast,
Speaker 2: but maybe that would get a bit strange.
Speaker 1: What I also love about that is that they do
Speaker 1: eight o'clock fireworks.
Speaker 3: With one of my friends yesterday, and I've realized that
Speaker 3: for New Years this year, I don't.
Speaker 1: Really care about the whole midnight thing.
Speaker 3: We got to spend New Years together last year, actually,
Speaker 3: you and I did at your house.
Speaker 1: You left early. What time were you there too?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: You were there to night.
Speaker 3: We came back, yeah, and we watched the fireworks altogether.
Speaker 3: I'm so glad it was such a memorable experience. But
Speaker 3: I've actually realized that this year, I think I'm just
Speaker 3: going to do the nine o'clock ones.
Speaker 2: I mean, it doesn't say much for us, does it.
Speaker 2: If you've gotten to the stage of life where you're like,
Speaker 2: I reckon, I'll reach the nine o'clock ones, and then
Speaker 2: I think I'll just go to bed.
Speaker 3: I couldn't bring the new year in a better way
Speaker 3: than getting nine hours of solid rem.
Speaker 2: Sleep in true Keisha style. And you always want to
Speaker 2: kick off a new year right, you know. The thing is, though,
Speaker 2: like when you're in your twenties or when you're younger.
Speaker 2: Maybe also sometimes I think for some people who are
Speaker 2: single as well that there's this like real feeling of
Speaker 2: like I don't want to miss out on something, so
Speaker 2: you want to plan a big New Years. But I
Speaker 2: do feel like every single time I have planned a
Speaker 2: New Year's it has been a disappointed It's never met
Speaker 2: up to the expectation or the hope that I had
Speaker 2: for the night and what the night could be. And
Speaker 2: then you're always left so late. It's like three o'clock
Speaker 2: in the morning, you can't get a fucking taxi, you
Speaker 2: can't get home. You're walking four kilometers through the city
Speaker 2: to just to try and get to your house.
Speaker 3: You've kissed this random dude, you didn't even lie, and
Speaker 3: you're like, you're not even slightly attractive to me.
Speaker 1: But it's midnight.
Speaker 3: I don't just want to be standing here while everyone
Speaker 3: else is in the couple's kissing.
Speaker 2: But good if you're a random dude, though, get out there,
Speaker 2: get amongst it.
Speaker 1: You might get lucky.
Speaker 2: Well, look, coming home this morning, so I left the carrols.
Speaker 2: I woke up at four point thirty this morning in
Speaker 2: the Gold Coast. I got on the very first flight
Speaker 2: out of the Gold Coast and into Sydney, and I
Speaker 2: fell asleep on the plane, and I, in true lawa fashion,
Speaker 2: I fell asleep with my mouth wide open like this.
Speaker 1: I have seen you cash flies on planes before.
Speaker 2: In the first row with my head against the window,
Speaker 2: and there was a spare seat in between us, and
Speaker 2: then the aisle seat there was a man sitting there
Speaker 2: and he was you know, he was just said, mining
Speaker 2: his own business, doing his own thing. And a couple
Speaker 2: of times I like, you know, when you're so tired,
Speaker 2: and then you might hit a bit of turbulence or
Speaker 2: something's moved and your head just goes bong and you
Speaker 2: do the.
Speaker 1: Full head help yourself to being awake.
Speaker 2: It's almost like you get like momentary whiplash because you
Speaker 2: bang your head forward and back. So I did that
Speaker 2: a couple of times, and I looked around, really startled,
Speaker 2: and I looked and he would then look at me,
Speaker 2: and I'd go back to sleep. And we come into
Speaker 2: land in Sydney and everyone's getting their stuff and whatnot,
Speaker 2: and he turns around. He looks at me and he goes,
Speaker 2: excuse me, do you have a podcast?
Speaker 3: I thought he was gonna say, excuse me, were you
Speaker 3: on stage with Emmin MIMML last night?
Speaker 2: He was like, do you have a podcast. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's called laughe on cut. He's like, yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: you're I mean your discussion group. My wife listens to
Speaker 2: your podcast every day. I was like, oh, please tell
Speaker 2: her that I slept with my mouth open to this
Speaker 2: entire flight.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2: I also with my shoes off on my foot on
Speaker 2: the seat. What a fucking grub.
Speaker 3: You know how you just said the mm memmer, She's like, sunshine,
Speaker 3: she fly, You're sleepy, tired, chaos consistently, it's not just
Speaker 3: a performance for the podcast, it is actually who you are,
Speaker 3: so at least it was.
Speaker 1: On brand true.
Speaker 2: So mmma floats and I'm dragging myself across the ground.
Speaker 2: Told me I wasn't allowed to say it last week,
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna say it anyway.
Speaker 1: You know the scene, you know the scene people say
Speaker 1: to us that we sometimes are too careful of what
Speaker 1: we think are going to get as canceled with this one.
Speaker 2: Actually want you know the scene from Forest Gump where
Speaker 2: the guy has had his legs blown off and he's
Speaker 2: dragging himself through the forest.
Speaker 1: That's how I feel at the moment, And is that
Speaker 1: going to get me canceled? Maybe you're on your own here.
Speaker 3: This is an active decision that you have made. You've
Speaker 3: chosen to put this in here.
Speaker 1: You're on your own. I wish you the best of las.
Speaker 3: Anyway, something going on in my life is that I
Speaker 3: have finally, after over two years, decided to get myself
Speaker 3: a brand new phone.
Speaker 1: I having problems.
Speaker 3: If you ask Apple, I was not having any problems
Speaker 3: because they traded it in and there was nothing wrong
Speaker 3: with it.
Speaker 1: The battery was fine. Apple knows the battery wasn't fine.
Speaker 1: They do it on purpose. They did get into trouble
Speaker 1: at one point for doing that. But I had an
Speaker 1: iPhone twelve.
Speaker 3: Okay, so we're now up to the iPhone sixteen, and
Speaker 3: I've realized that there was this really strange thing in
Speaker 3: my mind, and it was the first time I've ever
Speaker 3: noticed that I kind of partook in a bit of
Speaker 3: like allegiance with a certain strange thing. And I've realized
Speaker 3: that I am dedicated and I am loyal to the
Speaker 3: even numbered iPhones.
Speaker 1: What do you mean, oh, iPhone sixteen? Is there? What
Speaker 1: number we aret?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 3: We're at sixteen now, so I've now got a sixteen.
Speaker 3: But I've realized that over the course of however long
Speaker 3: I've had an iPhone, which would have to be god,
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe fourteen years or like.
Speaker 1: To at least twelve years now.
Speaker 3: I've only ever had even numbered iPhones.
Speaker 1: Mine's an iPhone fourteen pro.
Speaker 3: Okay, are you are also the type of person who
Speaker 3: hasn't alleged because I've seen this with certain things where
Speaker 3: a lot of people, when they have their TV volume,
Speaker 3: they will have to have it on either an even
Speaker 3: or an odd number, and whatever they are like loyal to,
Speaker 3: they stick to that.
Speaker 1: A lot of people have it for even numbers.
Speaker 3: And I'm not usually that type of person who gets
Speaker 3: hung up on little details like that, but I simply
Speaker 3: refused to switch to an odd numbered iPhone.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's that.
Speaker 2: I think it's the fact that, like an iPhone has
Speaker 2: about a two year bandwidth, right, or like eighteen months
Speaker 2: or whatever, and so by the time you're ready to
Speaker 2: get one, you're just not back on an even number,
Speaker 2: right there's a new one that comes out, because there's
Speaker 2: a new one that comes.
Speaker 1: Out almost every year.
Speaker 2: I don't know enough about iPhones, but I've had this
Speaker 2: one for way too long now, and it's also dying
Speaker 2: and if we're gonna complain about iPhones, the real thing
Speaker 2: we should be complaining about is a new photo update
Speaker 2: that everyone hates.
Speaker 1: Who did that? Who did that? Everyone in the world hates.
Speaker 3: I have not seen one single post about people going, oh,
Speaker 3: I actually really like that. It's now scattered as anything,
Speaker 3: and it can't work out how the folders work.
Speaker 1: What are you guys doing? I remained loyal to you.
Speaker 3: I realized that I I skipped the fourteen, but then
Speaker 3: the idea of going to a fifteen to me just
Speaker 3: felt I.
Speaker 1: Felt really uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: I felt dirty, I felt like I was switching to
Speaker 3: a different team, and I just didn't do it. I
Speaker 3: just held out with the iPhone twelve for so long
Speaker 3: that I have to charge it three times a day,
Speaker 3: and the camera didn't work. I couldn't zoom because one
Speaker 3: of the cameras I dropped it in a crack, which
Speaker 3: is a real.
Speaker 2: Hurdle for someone who works in like an audio medium
Speaker 2: where you actually need your phone and actually need a camera.
Speaker 1: But case she really persevered for so long. I did.
Speaker 1: But it's because of this weird loyalty thing.
Speaker 3: I'm realizing that maybe this is a bit strange and
Speaker 3: I thought that maybe this would be relatable to people,
Speaker 3: but perhaps I am on my own. I think it
Speaker 3: is a particularly niche Also, sorry to all the Samsung
Speaker 3: and Google phone.
Speaker 1: I think it's particularly niche.
Speaker 2: However, I'm sure there's somebody else out there who's going
Speaker 2: to reflect and be like, oh yeah, I only also
Speaker 2: stuck to an even number.
Speaker 1: You know where we had this conversation.
Speaker 3: We had this conversation earlier in the year when we
Speaker 3: spoke about big laptop purchases and I said that I
Speaker 3: would never make a purchase of three hundred dollars on
Speaker 3: a phone that's a laptop, percho, and you told me
Speaker 3: I was crazy, and the internet was on my side.
Speaker 2: I also told you that that was a particularly niche
Speaker 2: conversation and it ended up making international news.
Speaker 1: So like, I'm cool to be wrong. I'm fine with that.
Speaker 1: But the one thing we're not wrong about.
Speaker 2: Is the fucking photo app, because everyone is raging about
Speaker 2: it at the moment, and I just wonder who the
Speaker 2: person was that worked on the back end of that,
Speaker 2: that worked on like the IT infrastructure, And when this
Speaker 2: looks good, yep, they're gonna not be able to find
Speaker 2: anything they want at any point in time, but I
Speaker 2: reckon that they'll enjoy spending more time in the photo app.
Speaker 3: I think it's reminiscent of someone who's had a to
Speaker 3: do list for like the last six months, right, and
Speaker 3: they've had to have it done by Christmas.
Speaker 1: Like it's been on their with and they finally were
Speaker 1: like it.
Speaker 3: All and they went, I fully forgot. I completely forgot
Speaker 3: about that entire thing that I was supposed to do,
Speaker 3: So I'm just I'm just gonna do this is what
Speaker 3: we're doing. And they just basically said, just remove any
Speaker 3: of the formatting that previously used.
Speaker 2: But also remove any of the formatting that actually makes
Speaker 2: intuitive sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you reckon that person got fired? I feel
Speaker 3: like if there's any redundancy that should have happened, it's
Speaker 3: probably to the person who did.
Speaker 1: The photo update.
Speaker 2: But talking of restructuring, also off the back of that,
Speaker 2: speaking about how no one likes the restructure, we have
Speaker 2: some big changes coming in twenty twenty five to Life
Speaker 2: on Cut, and I know that it's one of those
Speaker 2: situations where people don't necessarily like change when it very
Speaker 2: first happens, which is why we wanted to give you
Speaker 2: guys as much warning about this as possible, and also
Speaker 2: to kind of explain the reasons why we're making these
Speaker 2: adjustments to the podcast. You guys will probably remember a
Speaker 2: couple of months ago, we did a quite a big
Speaker 2: survey around what it is that you're enjoying about the pod,
Speaker 2: what it is that you're not enjoying as much, all
Speaker 2: the changes that you would like to make.
Speaker 3: To be honest, I was really flatted and I was
Speaker 3: so touched by the amount of people that went out
Speaker 3: of their way.
Speaker 1: It only took a couple of minutes to fill out
Speaker 1: the survey, but we just asked you to.
Speaker 3: Do it like you didn't get anything out of it
Speaker 3: other than having your say, And we got over four
Speaker 3: thy five hundred responses, which was such a huge data
Speaker 3: set that enabled us to really know what was going on.
Speaker 3: You know, what you guys were liking the most.
Speaker 2: The structural changes that we're making, and at the moment,
Speaker 2: like you guys don't necessarily know this, but we work
Speaker 2: every Sunday in order to be able to bring you
Speaker 2: the Tuesday episode, so we record it on Monday morning,
Speaker 2: but in order to have everything prepped and ready to go,
Speaker 2: we have to do that on a Sunday So the
Speaker 2: changes that we're also making aren't just because they're structural
Speaker 2: changes that will work for you, but they are also
Speaker 2: changes that will allow us to have longevity and to
Speaker 2: be able to keep creating the podcast, because I know,
Speaker 2: like at the moment, it's really hard for everyone to
Speaker 2: show up every single Sunday Sunday afternoon from three o'clock.
Speaker 2: We're all back on our laptops and working into the evening,
Speaker 2: and we want to be able to have not just
Speaker 2: an amazing product, but also have the life balance that
Speaker 2: goes along with that, especially now because we have the
Speaker 2: ability to create that structure and we're making these changes anyway.
Speaker 3: And in order to do that, we knew that we
Speaker 3: would have to change the days that we were dropping
Speaker 3: content because we want things to be as up to
Speaker 3: date as they possibly can be. So next year we
Speaker 3: are going to still have the three episodes that we
Speaker 3: currently drop, but they're going to drop on different days.
Speaker 3: So we are going to drop an episode on a Monday,
Speaker 3: on a Wednesday, and on a Friday morning. And we've
Speaker 3: decided to switch up the order of the episodes. Because
Speaker 3: it came in very loud and clear that ask gun
Speaker 3: Cut was your favorite episode pretty unanimously. I think it
Speaker 3: was over seventy percent of people that was their favorite episode.
Speaker 3: So we're gonna give that to you first thing Monday morning,
Speaker 3: so you can go into your whatever your Monday looks like.
Speaker 3: If you get a bit of Monday itis, hopefully it
Speaker 3: will be alleviated a little bit.
Speaker 1: By having something that you like listening to.
Speaker 3: We are going to drop what is currently on a
Speaker 3: Tuesday on a Wednesday, So that's the personal life catch
Speaker 3: ut where Britain Lauri to talk about what's going on
Speaker 3: in their life. We often talk about something that's going
Speaker 3: on in the news, things that we find.
Speaker 2: Funny, Like it's basically this episode will be happening on
Speaker 2: a Wednesday now, so we're just shifting it one day.
Speaker 3: And then the interview based episode, where we talk to
Speaker 3: someone who might be an expert in the field or
Speaker 3: a topic that we've really wanted to unpack.
Speaker 1: Or someone who has a really interesting and incredible.
Speaker 3: Story, someone that you just love and think is really funny.
Speaker 3: Those interviews are going to drop on a Friday, so
Speaker 3: you can go into your weekend having a bit more
Speaker 3: of a like deep and meaningful conversation to listen to.
Speaker 2: The feedback that we were having was dropping on a Tuesday, Wednesday,
Speaker 2: Thursday just meant that so much content was coming out
Speaker 2: and a lot of you didn't have time to actually
Speaker 2: listen to all of it. So these changes have been
Speaker 2: really considered, and we've spent a lot of time sort
Speaker 2: of fleshing out what is the best thing for the
Speaker 2: way in which we structure life on Cut and for ourselves,
Speaker 2: and we're so excited for what twenty twenty five is
Speaker 2: going to bring.
Speaker 3: So these changes will be starting. So your first Monday
Speaker 3: Ask Gun Cut will be starting on the twentieth of January.
Speaker 3: That's when we're coming back from our Christmas break.
Speaker 1: But as I said at the start of this, you'll actually.
Speaker 3: Have some brand new content to listen to over the
Speaker 3: summer as well. Speaking of kind of schedule changes, can
Speaker 3: I do accidentally unfiltered?
Speaker 1: Now? Can we just jump into it? Because I saw
Speaker 1: this TikTok.
Speaker 3: It's an American woman who I don't want to assume age,
Speaker 3: but I would say that she would be roughly sixty five,
Speaker 3: And the caption on TikTok says, my grammy finally decided
Speaker 3: to download a dating app, and this is how it's going,
Speaker 3: and she's sitting there showing her granddaughter how her dating
Speaker 3: app is going. And this is what she said, Hello, Gary.
Speaker 5: Nice to meet you. I love the picture of you
Speaker 5: on the swing. Looks like fun and I love to
Speaker 5: swing too. So I said that yesterday and then today
Speaker 5: I mean read it and I go, oh, my gosh.
Speaker 5: So this is what I said back to me. I said, Hi, Gary,
Speaker 5: I just I just saw that I I labeled myself
Speaker 5: as a swinger. So sorry, I am not a swinger,
Speaker 5: the complete opposite. To be honest with you, I apologize
Speaker 5: for my bad choice of words, and I hope this
Speaker 5: goes oh it should have been. Does does not deter
Speaker 5: you from reaching out to me. Have a wonderful.
Speaker 2: I don't know what's weird, whether the fact that she
Speaker 2: was like, I'm sorry, I labeled myself a swinger, or
Speaker 2: she replied by saying I like to swing too.
Speaker 1: What seventy year old lady wants to sit on a
Speaker 1: swing and swing?
Speaker 6: She just said, I like the photo of your swing,
Speaker 6: you know, I like to swing to you look adventurous,
Speaker 6: I don't know, and just picturing those ones in Bali,
Speaker 6: you know how they've got those massive, big swings, that
Speaker 6: you can go on.
Speaker 1: It's not so much about the picture, it's about the reply.
Speaker 3: Do you know what is something that's so embarrassing that
Speaker 3: I didn't understand? And this is be going back and
Speaker 3: have to be like between six and eight years ago,
Speaker 3: I reckon, you do want a hinge how you can
Speaker 3: select your political like who you vote for, whether you're
Speaker 3: conservative or your liberal.
Speaker 1: So before I knew what the actual word.
Speaker 3: Liberal meant, which is progressive, which is what every other
Speaker 3: country in the world calls their progressive party.
Speaker 1: Here in Australia, our more conservative.
Speaker 3: Party is called the Liberal Party, and so I used
Speaker 3: to think that it meant that.
Speaker 2: They voted for the Liberal Imagine how many people you
Speaker 2: would have write swiped because you were like, our political
Speaker 2: views don't a line I thought.
Speaker 3: Myself as a left leaning queen, and I just would
Speaker 3: have been like, no, oh gosh, we're never gonna get along,
Speaker 3: because I also used to think that I wanted someone
Speaker 3: who had the same political views as me, and I
Speaker 3: used to just left left left.
Speaker 1: Turns out it could have been my dream man.
Speaker 2: No. But the thing is is, I think for a
Speaker 2: lot of people in Australia who maybe don't know the
Speaker 2: difference of that either maybe they are actually liberal.
Speaker 1: You gotta run the risk this is true. They're Australian,
Speaker 1: Like we're using Australian terminology.
Speaker 2: I know that obviously it means different things in different places,
Speaker 2: but you would assume that most the people who were
Speaker 2: putting that in. If they're Australian, maybe are actually liberal.
Speaker 2: Doesn't say much because it was no Labor Party on there.
Speaker 2: But now it's a risk. The only thing I misinterpreted
Speaker 2: from memory when I was on dating apps is I
Speaker 2: went through this period and hear me out where I
Speaker 2: received a request from several different profiles. And this is
Speaker 2: over the duration of about six months, so it wasn't
Speaker 2: just one time. So I was receiving the request from
Speaker 2: guys asking me to peg them, which I don't know
Speaker 2: what was in my profile that would have given them
Speaker 2: the indication that I liked pegging. The problem is is
Speaker 2: I didn't know what pegging was. I had no idea.
Speaker 2: This is going back like fifteen years ago, mind you,
Speaker 2: Like when I was on the dating apps, was.
Speaker 3: There like a photo waundry basket and a bunch of pegs?
Speaker 1: Do you know what pegging is?
Speaker 7: Yes?
Speaker 3: I know what pegging is, but I'm putting you to
Speaker 3: this woman who was saying I like to swing too.
Speaker 2: No, there was nothing on there that would have implied
Speaker 2: I just maybe it was a thing at the time,
Speaker 2: Maybe it was a trend.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I can count on. Well, I reckon.
Speaker 2: I got about five requests for people asking me to
Speaker 2: peg them on dating apps in a very short period
Speaker 2: of time, So after the.
Speaker 3: Second one, you didn't think to do a read of
Speaker 3: the room and ask the people around you, Hey, I
Speaker 3: keep on getting.
Speaker 2: This weird request wasn't because of my dating app, though
Speaker 2: I don't think it was actually because of my profile.
Speaker 2: The reason why I'm saying it was in a situation
Speaker 2: where I didn't really know what it was it was
Speaker 2: being asked of me is because so the first few
Speaker 2: times they weren't even people they would have like pegged.
Speaker 1: I replied to or interacted with.
Speaker 2: But then this one guy who I had been chatting
Speaker 2: with for a little while was like, hey, would you
Speaker 2: peg me? And I was like, I don't know what
Speaker 2: that means, but was being really agreeable at the time
Speaker 2: and was like sure. Then went to my girlfriend, Hey,
Speaker 2: this is where I might have just been asked to
Speaker 2: peg this guy, what does this mean?
Speaker 1: And she was like, and then she explained it to me,
Speaker 1: and I was like.
Speaker 2: I probably should unpack why I'm giving off pegging vibes.
Speaker 3: It is strange to me that so many if you
Speaker 3: didn't have a photo.
Speaker 1: Of a strap on.
Speaker 3: Or a bunch of pegs on your profile, it is
Speaker 3: strange to me that you could somehow give off the
Speaker 3: vibe that you would be enthusiastic about pegging, like I
Speaker 3: don't know what that looks like, short of having photos
Speaker 3: that kind of implied that you were into it.
Speaker 2: I got asked a lot of times, and then I
Speaker 2: started to think that maybe it was normal.
Speaker 1: Have you ever been asked? I've asked? Don't know you No, Nah,
Speaker 1: just me, lucky me, just you? Did I not look
Speaker 1: as though I was athletic enough. I think it's the
Speaker 1: broad shoulders on me. They really gave up peg vibes.
Speaker 3: So I think I am constantly underestimated when playing sport
Speaker 3: because I'm he's.
Speaker 1: Just like, I could peg you, dough.
Speaker 3: Why wasn't I asked to peg? Did you not think
Speaker 3: I had the hYP mobility? Did you not think I
Speaker 3: had the stamina? Because they do this happens a lot
Speaker 3: every single Tuesday afternoon. I am underestimated by the very
Speaker 3: fit twenty three year old boys who we play against.
Speaker 3: I have got two tries in the past few weeks
Speaker 3: because they genuinely could see it in their eyes that
Speaker 3: they looked at me and they went.
Speaker 1: They got a bit lazy. She's not able to she's
Speaker 1: fun and you don't need to worry about it. I
Speaker 1: can peg them like a queen. Fuck you. I could
Speaker 1: have pegged you.
Speaker 3: Well, I might check in the accidentally and filter that
Speaker 3: we were saying that I thought was really funny, because
Speaker 3: this is so something that would happen to me. I
Speaker 3: was walking my dog with my partner one morning not
Speaker 3: long after accountcil pick up. You know the street ones
Speaker 3: where you can put all of your stuff out on
Speaker 3: the street and they come.
Speaker 1: And collect it.
Speaker 3: There was a heap of games on the side of
Speaker 3: the path, including Monopoly, which we didn't have.
Speaker 1: I was stoked. I picked it up. I opened the
Speaker 1: box and I checked that it had all of these pieces.
Speaker 3: When a guy came running out of an apartment and shouted,
Speaker 3: what are you doing. It turns out that they were
Speaker 3: moving in and there was a moving truck parked right
Speaker 3: outside fair Nah.
Speaker 1: I think that this is an easy mistake to make.
Speaker 1: I genuinely do.
Speaker 2: And I also think like, if you're moving, you don't
Speaker 2: just leave the games.
Speaker 1: You've got to like that's kid, that shit contained.
Speaker 3: I feel as I've seen people put signs on their
Speaker 3: things being like we are moving. This is not free
Speaker 3: because people like me, I love street furniture. There is
Speaker 3: nothing that gets my dopamine higher than finding a piece
Speaker 3: of furniture on the side of the road that I'm like,
Speaker 3: I can fix that.
Speaker 2: There are two types of people right There are the
Speaker 2: people who would just pass it by because they're just like,
Speaker 2: not not for me. And then there are the people
Speaker 2: that would make their partner stand there while they go
Speaker 2: get the car yeah, or they will stand there while
Speaker 2: someone goes and gets a vehicle appropriate to pick it up.
Speaker 3: There was this one time I was walking down to
Speaker 3: the beach for a swim. This when I lived in
Speaker 3: Bondai and there was such a good desk and I
Speaker 3: said to my friend Aily, I was like, oh, look,
Speaker 3: how good that desk is. I need a desk. I'm
Speaker 3: in the market for a desk. I was about to
Speaker 3: buy one that'll be perfect, and she said We'll just
Speaker 3: go for a quick swim and then I'll help you
Speaker 3: on the way back up.
Speaker 1: I'll help you carry it back to your house. You're like, nah,
Speaker 1: it'll be gone.
Speaker 3: It was, of course, I lost my chance at my
Speaker 3: free dream desk and I had to pay.
Speaker 2: For I still think about a chair that once upon
Speaker 2: a time was in Bondai that I wanted my boyfriend
Speaker 2: at the time to go and get a car to
Speaker 2: bring it home. It was like a velvet green chair
Speaker 2: and he was like, absolutely fucking not. He's like, you
Speaker 2: can go get the car. So I like ran home,
Speaker 2: got the car, came back gone because I was at
Speaker 2: the time taking home a lot of street furniture and
Speaker 2: he was like, no more.
Speaker 1: Maybe they were actually just moving into the apartment.
Speaker 2: Nah, it's just one loan chair out there ready for
Speaker 2: Laura Burn.
Speaker 1: Where real scabs aren't we Yep, but that's all right.
Speaker 1: The girl out of Warm Gone.
Speaker 2: Something that we've been talking about in our groued chat recently,
Speaker 2: and it may or not be something that you have
Speaker 2: seen and are also familiar with.
Speaker 1: There is a woman.
Speaker 2: Her name is Lily Phillips. She's twenty three years old
Speaker 2: and she is an only Fans creator, and the reason
Speaker 2: why she has become quite famous is because she has
Speaker 2: set the enormous goal of sleeping with one thousand men
Speaker 2: in twenty four hours.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: This seems to be something that is becoming more and
Speaker 2: more common. You guys might remember Bonnie Blue. She was
Speaker 2: the very infamous Only Fans creator who really made her
Speaker 2: mark by saying that she was going to sleep with
Speaker 2: the schoolies boys. She had her visa revote and there
Speaker 2: was so much absolute rage about that situation. But it
Speaker 2: does seem as though that there is this increasing sort
Speaker 2: of push for content that revolves around setting records for
Speaker 2: the amount of men that you can sleep with in
Speaker 2: a short period of time. We've spoken about Only Fans
Speaker 2: quite a few times on this podcast before, and also
Speaker 2: we've interviewed Angela White, who was a prolific porn star,
Speaker 2: and she even said that she makes the majority of
Speaker 2: her income via Only Fans Now and it has been
Speaker 2: an incredibly empowering platform for her where she has agency,
Speaker 2: where she owns her content, produces her own content, and
Speaker 2: is able to make an income, you know, without the
Speaker 2: same amount of effort that she has to for her
Speaker 2: normal productions. But I guess this conversation around Lily really
Speaker 2: comes back to a video, a documentary that's been released
Speaker 2: that shows both sides of this record that she is
Speaker 2: trying to set, and it really asked the question whether
Speaker 2: or not only fans, the people who are on there
Speaker 2: are being forced to create content that is more and
Speaker 2: more sensational in order to get the downloads and in
Speaker 2: order to continue to make this revenue.
Speaker 3: So Josh Peters is the YouTube guy who actually created
Speaker 3: this documentary.
Speaker 1: It was released a week ago and it has nearly
Speaker 1: four million views.
Speaker 3: It was titled I Slept with one Hundred Men in
Speaker 3: a Day and the documentary is Josh speaking with Lily
Speaker 3: for the majority of it and talking about, you know,
Speaker 3: how she got into OnlyFans. So for a bit of context,
Speaker 3: she started only fans when she was at UNI. She
Speaker 3: now has nine employees, which is a pretty substantial team.
Speaker 3: Josh calls her a businesswoman in the documentary. Her parents
Speaker 3: have always known what she has been up to and
Speaker 3: have always been across the fact that she's creating this
Speaker 3: content and not the nitty gritty details. But they are
Speaker 3: aware and they are still very much in her life.
Speaker 3: She speaks with her mum every day The reason I
Speaker 3: wanted to bring that up is because I think this
Speaker 3: documentary for me was really interesting to examine the stereotypes
Speaker 3: that exist in terms of the reasons why people get
Speaker 3: into sex work and compare that with my own biases
Speaker 3: about what I think about sex work and how the
Speaker 3: world views it as a very shameful career. So the
Speaker 3: documentary starts with some conversations between Josh and Lilly talking
Speaker 3: about her goal of sleeping with one hundred men in
Speaker 3: the one day, and so this is in training for
Speaker 3: this world record attempt that she will be making shortly
Speaker 3: where she wants to sleep with one thousand men in
Speaker 3: a day. They were talking about her motivations, about her fantasies,
Speaker 3: about her early only fans career, and how that has
Speaker 3: led her to the point that she wants to kind
Speaker 3: of set herself these challenges and film them for her
Speaker 3: only fans. And this is what she had to say
Speaker 3: ahead of the challenge.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I guess the only thing I'm nervous for is
Speaker 7: like for them to have a good time.
Speaker 1: I want to make sure they enjoyed themselves.
Speaker 4: And not don't come away from it like I feel
Speaker 4: disgusted or that wasn't fun.
Speaker 7: I think other people in the industry definitely look down
Speaker 7: and for doing this, but I think at the end
Speaker 7: of the day, people forget there's also my fantasy and
Speaker 7: this is also something that I'm really enjoying and want
Speaker 7: to do and have wanted to do before I was
Speaker 7: even in the industry.
Speaker 3: Something that I found really interesting in the documentary was
Speaker 3: actually the logistics of how they were organizing the one
Speaker 3: hundred men that were going to be sleeping with Lily
Speaker 3: on the day. I think it would it were even
Speaker 3: generous to say that it was disorganized as anything, and
Speaker 3: it seemed to be done by people who who really
Speaker 3: didn't necessarily understand that this could be a risk to
Speaker 3: her safety, it could be a risk to their safety.
Speaker 3: It was done by her assistance. They basically put a
Speaker 3: call out on her only fans and had people submit
Speaker 3: their application that they wanted to be one of the
Speaker 3: one hundred men who slept with Lily. They were to
Speaker 3: send a photo of themselves alongside with their ID. And
Speaker 3: these were the concerns that Josh Peters, the guy who
Speaker 3: created the documentary, had about the way that they were
Speaker 3: selecting men.
Speaker 8: The whole thing, I think I'm realizing is actually more
Speaker 8: mental than we originally thought. There are one hundred men
Speaker 8: turning up to have with her for five minutes each
Speaker 8: in a single day. I mean, there's a decent chance
Speaker 8: that one of them is going to be dangerous. One
Speaker 8: of them might have a weapon, have a criminal record,
Speaker 8: a few of them will have STIs. Just on a
Speaker 8: basic statistic, you can know that a few of them
Speaker 8: are going to have STIs. So let's just hope those
Speaker 8: condoms are good ones.
Speaker 3: Now, well, what was interesting about these hundred men that
Speaker 3: were selected to be the men who were going to
Speaker 3: sleep with Lily on this day is that on the
Speaker 3: day of the actual I guess experiment or the challenge
Speaker 3: I guess I could call it, quite a few of
Speaker 3: them pulled out, and so the assistants who were organizing
Speaker 3: this kind of ended up using a referral po with
Speaker 3: the men who were there, and they said, hey, you know,
Speaker 3: if you had a good time and you have a friend,
Speaker 3: do you reckon You could message them, send them where
Speaker 3: we are, send them the Airbnb details, and get in
Speaker 3: contact with us. Because we've had so many pull out
Speaker 3: that in order to make this hundred men.
Speaker 1: We need more men we need more people, and so they.
Speaker 3: Were recruiting kind of like on the spot.
Speaker 2: Well, she was also saying that like the people who
Speaker 2: were prioritized were people who had had their STI checks done,
Speaker 2: but also getting to a point where they didn't have
Speaker 2: enough people to actually fulfill that one hundred man goal
Speaker 2: meant that they had to, I guess be more lax
Speaker 2: with how they found participants. Look, I mean, the reason
Speaker 2: why we wanted to talk about this isn't so much
Speaker 2: around the goal setting or this astronomical feat of trying
Speaker 2: to sleep with X amount of people in a certain
Speaker 2: amount of time. It's because of a specific part of
Speaker 2: this interview that has gone very viral, and it's of
Speaker 2: Lily reflecting on that one hundred men experience. She went
Speaker 2: into it with such a positive Hoyt look, she went
Speaker 2: into it with such a conviction that she was going
Speaker 2: to enjoy the experience, that the experience was a fantasy
Speaker 2: of hers. And then the follow up interview really showed
Speaker 2: something that felt quite dark in comparison.
Speaker 3: And just for some context, if there are a couple
Speaker 3: of words that are muted in this, that's how the
Speaker 3: documentary had to publish the YouTube, so it might just
Speaker 3: sound a little bit cut to you. And each of
Speaker 3: the men logistically were to be given five minutes to
Speaker 3: spend with Lily. So this is Lily directly after they
Speaker 3: had completed the challenge of one hundred men.
Speaker 4: Just one in, one out.
Speaker 1: Like it feels intense, like more intense than you thought
Speaker 1: it might.
Speaker 4: Definitely. You know, when I talked you last, like I
Speaker 4: was not nervous, and it was like the day before,
Speaker 4: I was like, I'm so nervous, but it was good.
Speaker 4: It was more I guess the interactions were like I'd
Speaker 4: have to stop them earning and like you'd have to
Speaker 4: stand on business and be like, I'm so sorry you
Speaker 4: got to go, and like the awkward interaction of like
Speaker 4: you feeling pressure to have to make them come if
Speaker 4: like you haven't spent enough time with them, and feeling
Speaker 4: like they didn't like you didn't give them a good
Speaker 4: time because like they only got two minutes and.
Speaker 8: That, and that's what That's what's making you feel emotional,
Speaker 8: is that maybe you think you didn't give some guys
Speaker 8: a good enough time today.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, And it's hard I think having the interactions
Speaker 4: with them when they're like, well, you're not going to
Speaker 4: make me finish. I've come all this way like kind
Speaker 4: of like guilt tripping me a little bit. I felt bad,
Speaker 4: like some people just travel so far, like I didn't
Speaker 4: want to give them a shit time and like come
Speaker 4: away from this and be.
Speaker 1: Like, oh, that's it.
Speaker 4: I think sometimes like feeling so like robotic, like by
Speaker 4: the I think like the thirtieth you know, like when
Speaker 4: we're getting on a bit, I've got like a routine
Speaker 4: of like how we're going to do this, and like
Speaker 4: it just sometimes you'd like disassociate and be like, you know,
Speaker 4: like it's not like normal things at all. In my
Speaker 4: head right now, I can think of like five six
Speaker 4: guys tang guys that I remember, and that's it.
Speaker 1: But it's just I don't know. It's just weird, isn't it.
Speaker 4: Like if I didn't if I didn't have the videos,
Speaker 4: I wouldn't have known I've done one hundred, you know.
Speaker 2: I think for anyone listening to that audio. When I
Speaker 2: listened to it the first time, my very first response
Speaker 2: was how devastating that sounded, and like it makes me
Speaker 2: ask the question right. Often we can have fantasies. Often
Speaker 2: we can think that something is going to be a
Speaker 2: certain way, and then when we actually experience it ourselves,
Speaker 2: the reality of a situation is very, very different from
Speaker 2: what we thought it was going to be. But the
Speaker 2: issue in this situation is almost that Lily can't change
Speaker 2: her mind about it because it has been so public
Speaker 2: She has set herself the goal of sleeping with a
Speaker 2: thousand men. She has so many OnlyFans subscribers, This is
Speaker 2: how she is now making her income, this is what
Speaker 2: she has become known for. So it's kind of a
Speaker 2: situation of pressure where she can't go back on the
Speaker 2: goal that has been set. And it's very evident in
Speaker 2: that piece of audio that Lily is quite distressed after
Speaker 2: sleeping with one hundred men and that it wasn't necessarily
Speaker 2: what she expected it was going to be, and it
Speaker 2: was a lot harder than what she expected it to
Speaker 2: be in her own words. But then she's gone on
Speaker 2: to do many podcasts and to speak about it publicly,
Speaker 2: to say that she actually did really enjoy the experience,
Speaker 2: and also that she does still have the goal of
Speaker 2: sleeping with a thousand men. I mean, we've spoken about
Speaker 2: it heaves between the two of us, and also within
Speaker 2: the Life Uncut chat that we have because on one hand,
Speaker 2: we've had so many conversations about how only Fans can
Speaker 2: be so empowering for some people, and how it has
Speaker 2: been a really empowering platform for many sex workers. But
Speaker 2: I also think it's important to talk about the gray
Speaker 2: and to talk about the t when maybe it isn't empowering.
Speaker 2: And I watch that video and I watch that documentary,
Speaker 2: and it makes me question whether or not this is
Speaker 2: empowering for Lily, a twenty three year old OnlyFans creator,
Speaker 2: whether this is actually doing psychological harm in the long term,
Speaker 2: or whether this is content that in ten twenty years time,
Speaker 2: or even directly after she sleeps with this one thousand men,
Speaker 2: that she's not actually going to enjoy.
Speaker 3: I also feel a bit uncomfortable about even thinking about that, because,
Speaker 3: on one hand, she's twenty three years old, she has agency,
Speaker 3: you know, she's not being pressured into this by any
Speaker 3: external factors other than some that we may get to
Speaker 3: that we think could be going on psychologically, And.
Speaker 1: So a part of me is just like, what's.
Speaker 3: My place to have an opinion on this, you know, absolutely,
Speaker 3: And then the other part of me watches the documentary
Speaker 3: and I was really really taken back by how much
Speaker 3: I felt for her, and I was trying to understand
Speaker 3: why that might be the case, and I was like, well,
Speaker 3: she's not a Victim's chosen to get herself into this position.
Speaker 3: She said that this is her fantasy. But it really
Speaker 3: did make me think about and I think all of
Speaker 3: us may have been in a situation like this before,
Speaker 3: where we've set ourselves a goal of you know, we
Speaker 3: wanted to achieve something, and whether that be that you
Speaker 3: want to run a marathon, or whether it be that
Speaker 3: you want to do a certain thing for your job,
Speaker 3: or whatever it is, and you can find yourself in
Speaker 3: the situation and you realize like, actually, this is so
Speaker 3: not what I thought it was going to be. But
Speaker 3: I can't back out now. I can't back out because
Speaker 3: I've told people that I was going to achieve it.
Speaker 3: In Lily's case, she has literally traded a certain subscription
Speaker 3: fee telling people this is what I'm going to do.
Speaker 3: And I think that the pressure of that would be
Speaker 3: pretty overwhelming, because not only would she almost have to.
Speaker 1: Hate saying the word face up to the fact that maybe.
Speaker 3: The experience wasn't what she thought, but there is also
Speaker 3: a possibility that that was just her immediate reaction.
Speaker 1: She was really exhausted.
Speaker 3: She was going at it quite literally for fourteen hours.
Speaker 3: She'd had to have multiple showersout the day. She was
Speaker 3: probably phys very very exhausted for sure, And so I
Speaker 3: don't want to kind of go, well, that's actually how
Speaker 3: she you know, we just got insight into how she
Speaker 3: actually feels about it.
Speaker 2: Or because it kind of is like affirmation bias, right,
Speaker 2: Like we already know that the industry, there is so
Speaker 2: much dehumanizing that goes on. There is so much shame
Speaker 2: that is like completely enshrouded in the sex industry, and
Speaker 2: the pendulum is swinging. Like we have had many conversations
Speaker 2: around how people don't just get into sex work because
Speaker 2: they're impoverished, or because it is an absolute need, or
Speaker 2: there's addiction issues, which I think used to be the
Speaker 2: real mentality. People thought, surely people would only do this
Speaker 2: for a job because they had to, And we know
Speaker 2: that the mentality around that is changing and that there
Speaker 2: are so many people who get into this work because
Speaker 2: they want to. But I guess the big part of
Speaker 2: this is seeing Lily so upset after setting herself this
Speaker 2: goal and going through with the one hundred men, knowing
Speaker 2: that she has the goal of a thousand It's like,
Speaker 2: is it affirmation bias that part of the documentary where
Speaker 2: when you see her upset, You're like, Aha, I knew
Speaker 2: you would regret this. You have confirmed to me that
Speaker 2: the way I feel about what you're doing is correct.
Speaker 2: Or is it actually, just like you said, kish, a
Speaker 2: natural reaction to something that is akin to a marathon.
Speaker 2: Many people who do wildly physical activities cry throughout doing
Speaker 2: those physical activities or don't love doing them whilst they're
Speaker 2: in the midst of that goal setting. And I want
Speaker 2: to be really careful about making this comparison. I know
Speaker 2: you laugh because I'm like, it sounds world's apart, but
Speaker 2: just hear me out on the theory around there.
Speaker 3: It's because when we were talking about this, when you
Speaker 3: first said the name that you're about to say, I
Speaker 3: was like, what are you talking about it?
Speaker 1: And then when you explained it, I was like, oh no,
Speaker 1: I so get what you mean.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, So hear me out ned Brockman recently.
Speaker 1: He's going to be thrilled. But I'm talking about him
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 2: He's going to be sleeping with a thousand men and
Speaker 2: he's certainly not no, but he recently. I mean, as
Speaker 2: you guys might be familiar with Ned Brockman, he's an incredible,
Speaker 2: incredible man who has raised so much money for homelessness
Speaker 2: by his man marathons. So he ran from Perth to Bondai.
Speaker 2: He also recently did a new challenge which was running
Speaker 2: one hundred kilometers a day for sixteen days. Ridiculous, right,
Speaker 2: and all of Australia got behind him in doing this.
Speaker 1: There were many many.
Speaker 2: Moments throughout his marathon where he was crying, where he
Speaker 2: was swearing, where he looked very displeased that he was
Speaker 2: doing it, and he absolutely continued on. I think it's
Speaker 2: definitely a fast stretch to compare a physical marathon to
Speaker 2: a sex marathon and like have those things kind of
Speaker 2: like sit within the same realm or the same even
Speaker 2: within the same hemisphere. But I guess what I'm trying
Speaker 2: to say is that nobody questioned Ned Brockman crying. Nobody
Speaker 2: was like, Aha, see you regret doing this, you hate this.
Speaker 2: But that has been our natural reaction to Lily doing this,
Speaker 2: seeing her crying on that documentary, the instant reaction is
Speaker 2: to think, oh my god, are you going to regret this,
Speaker 2: Is this the worst decision that you have made for
Speaker 2: you yourself? And I guess it is because there is
Speaker 2: an opportunity or there is a possibility that she will.
Speaker 2: But it's also not our place to have that fear
Speaker 2: for her because it is the decision that she's making
Speaker 2: for herself.
Speaker 3: I think also this is where we get into the
Speaker 3: realm of concern trolling, where like faux concern. If you
Speaker 3: look on Elily's Instagram, which I did last night, and
Speaker 3: my god, I regret doing it. It was an absolute
Speaker 3: cess pit. The shame being put onto her was quite
Speaker 3: literally disgusting. There's an amount that no matter how primed
Speaker 3: and prepped you were, no matter if you'd grown up
Speaker 3: with this your entire life, I don't think we are
Speaker 3: ever psychologically able to handle that amount of scrutiny from
Speaker 3: the world. And I truly felt for her in that moment.
Speaker 3: But I really I thought about this internally of why
Speaker 3: I had this deep amount of concern for her, given that,
Speaker 3: like you know, she has all of the things similar
Speaker 3: to Ned where she'd set herself, the challenge, she'd achieved,
Speaker 3: the challenge that she went out there for. She showed emotion,
Speaker 3: but NED did too, you know, why did I feel
Speaker 3: like it was different? And I got myself into a
Speaker 3: little bit of a rabbit hole when when she said
Speaker 3: that she felt like she dissociated. You know, she could
Speaker 3: only really remember six of the men out of the hundred,
Speaker 3: or six to ten of the men, And if she
Speaker 3: didn't have the footage of that experience, she wouldn't have
Speaker 3: really thought that it actually had occurred. And I did
Speaker 3: go a little bit deep on this because I thought,
Speaker 3: maybe that's why I feel so uncomfortable about it. Maybe
Speaker 3: it's the fact that she feels as though to accomplish
Speaker 3: this challenge she has to literally feel an outer body experience.
Speaker 3: She doesn't want to feel physically connected to it herself.
Speaker 3: And I did a bit of research and Stanford Medicine
Speaker 3: said that between two and ten percent of the population
Speaker 3: will experience the phenomenon known as dissociation during their lives,
Speaker 3: but that dissociation usually occurs as a result of trauma, hypnosis,
Speaker 3: or certain drugs.
Speaker 1: And this is where I thought, ooh, maybe this is.
Speaker 3: Why I feel so deeply uncomfortable about this. She's obviously
Speaker 3: not under the influence of drugs. She's not under hypnosis.
Speaker 3: Do I feel uncomfortable because I actually think she could
Speaker 3: be causing quite serious psychological trauma to herself. You know,
Speaker 3: she said that she has dissociated in the experience and
Speaker 3: that she wants to time that experience by tenfold. She
Speaker 3: wants to up it to one thousand men. Do I
Speaker 3: see a young woman, someone who's twenty three years old,
Speaker 3: making choices that I think could have very serious psychological
Speaker 3: impacts for them long term. Maybe maybe that's why I
Speaker 3: actually feel concerned for Lily, and I hope that that's
Speaker 3: the case, because I don't think that we can ever
Speaker 3: completely separate ourselves from the fact that, you know, most
Speaker 3: of the trolling that was going on on her Instagram
Speaker 3: was like, Wow, I bet your parents are proud of you.
Speaker 1: There was such slut.
Speaker 3: Shaming that I think we've all become somewhat accustomed to
Speaker 3: as we were growing up, and you know, we were
Speaker 3: told to worry about body counts, and we were told
Speaker 3: to think of ourselves as pure and saving ourselves for
Speaker 3: the right person. I don't think I can ever fully
Speaker 3: remove myself from those messages, even though we have spent
Speaker 3: so long really pushing the narrative in the opposite.
Speaker 1: Direction, yeah, and trying to unpick it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I guess I landed on the
Speaker 3: fact that maybe Lily actually was involved in this experience
Speaker 3: because she felt the pressure to live up to a
Speaker 3: goal that she had created for herself, even though she
Speaker 3: was putting herself through a lot of psychological stress. And
Speaker 3: I don't think it would be normal if you didn't
Speaker 3: have care for that. I don't think it would be
Speaker 3: normal to see that and see how upset she was
Speaker 3: and not feel as though you had some type of
Speaker 3: sympathy for her that you know, she might not be
Speaker 3: a victim in the sex industry how we typically used
Speaker 3: to think of victims, But maybe she's a victim to
Speaker 3: the algorithms now, maybe she's a victim to the fact
Speaker 3: that we have to have more outrageous and out their
Speaker 3: content to draw people in.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, I guess the big question is is this empowering?
Speaker 2: That has always been the question around OnlyFans, and it
Speaker 2: has really been like the thing that's set it apart
Speaker 2: in so many ways is that OnlyFans was and is empowering.
Speaker 2: I think of creators like Bonnie Blue. I know we've
Speaker 2: mentioned her a couple of times, she talks about the
Speaker 2: experiences that she's had, and I've listened to so many
Speaker 2: podcast episodes where she speaks around it being something that
Speaker 2: she wants to do, she feels empowered by it, she
Speaker 2: enjoys it. She has never outwardly or publicly at least
Speaker 2: spoken in a negative way. And I think that this
Speaker 2: is the first time where we have seen a creator
Speaker 2: like this. Actually I take that back. It's the second
Speaker 2: time that we have seen a creator like this speak
Speaker 2: about an experience and show negative reactions to what they've
Speaker 2: just gone through. And the other person that I want
Speaker 2: to talk about very quickly is Lisa Sparks. So, Lisa
Speaker 2: Sparks is the sex worker who has the record for
Speaker 2: the most men slept with in a twenty four hour period.
Speaker 2: In two thousand and four, She's slept with nine hundred
Speaker 2: and nineteen men in one day. At a sex industry
Speaker 2: event in Poland. Now, interestingly, Lisa, who was in the
Speaker 2: industry for literally twenty five years, came out and said,
Speaker 2: to be completely transparent with you all. This event is
Speaker 2: the only thing I regret doing in my twenty three
Speaker 2: plus years in the porn industry to this day. This
Speaker 2: was also the only job that I agreed to perform
Speaker 2: strictly for the money. I think that that is such
Speaker 2: an interesting and important quote, because I think it's fine
Speaker 2: to kind of think, Okay, well, look, she's she's setting
Speaker 2: these parameters for herself, she's making these decisions. But if
Speaker 2: those decisions are purely based on the fact that she's
Speaker 2: now occurring a huge amount of subscribers and is making
Speaker 2: millions and millions of dollars off the back of it,
Speaker 2: I do question, like will money be enough to resolve
Speaker 2: any sort of residual feeling of like I didn't want
Speaker 2: to be doing this, but the money was good enough.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And I also it kind of makes me question, like
Speaker 3: removing the fact that we've said, you know, only fans
Speaker 3: enabled empowerment of women, particularly in the sex industry, at
Speaker 3: what point does someone step in, Because if these women
Speaker 3: are working for themselves, there's no referee, there's no one
Speaker 3: who's there to say we're going too far, like we've
Speaker 3: actually pushed the boundaries too much, you're not cope with this,
Speaker 3: And I wonder whether we've replaced that with the public
Speaker 3: who were the subscribers, you know, I kind of equate
Speaker 3: that pressure of the expectation to now being well, we
Speaker 3: have things like AI porn a lot more accessibility to
Speaker 3: this type of content, and therefore the goalposts do seem
Speaker 3: to keep shifting. You know, with these creators that are
Speaker 3: getting a lot of headlines and a lot of media attention,
Speaker 3: it's because they're doing more and more outrageous things.
Speaker 2: Also, I mean, we talk about people being victims to
Speaker 2: an industry, and you brought up a really important point before, Keisha.
Speaker 2: It's not being victims to the industry of being a
Speaker 2: sex worker, and I really want to make that clear.
Speaker 2: It's being a victim to content. It's being a victim
Speaker 2: to having to push things further and further in order
Speaker 2: to have the same impact, and that exists in all
Speaker 2: aspects of content creation. I think about people like I mean,
Speaker 2: I think about us, for example, speaking about our lives
Speaker 2: or speaking about personal things and things that when we
Speaker 2: very first started this we were like we would never
Speaker 2: ever talk about. And then years and years down the track,
Speaker 2: you get more comfortable, you become more familiar with the platform,
Speaker 2: you become more familiar with your audience, and that kind
Speaker 2: of the bar gets pushed further and further. Now I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that there's ever been a time where I've
Speaker 2: shared something that I've regretted. I love sharing what I share,
Speaker 2: but I also know that they could come a time
Speaker 2: in the future where one of my kids might say, hey, Mum,
Speaker 2: I really didn't like that you shared that story about
Speaker 2: me when I was five, you know, because now it's
Speaker 2: something that lives forever on the Internet, and I didn't
Speaker 2: ask you to share that. Like, that's a possibility, And
Speaker 2: it is this question of like, well, where is the
Speaker 2: line and when does content and content creation the snowball
Speaker 2: effect of it become too much?
Speaker 1: And I think that was my overall takeaway from the
Speaker 1: whole documentary.
Speaker 3: I felt as though Lily does not have control over
Speaker 3: that snowball, and that's my own personal opinion. Other people
Speaker 3: might disagree, and I don't want people to misinterpret that
Speaker 3: as me kind of putting an element of shame onto her.
Speaker 3: I really thought, Wow, I so hope that the next
Speaker 3: business decision you make is that you get a manager
Speaker 3: who genuinely, genuinely gives a fuck about you and is
Speaker 3: willing to help you establish what.
Speaker 1: You are and aren't comfortable with.
Speaker 3: Because I felt as though I saw the dissolving of boundaries.
Speaker 3: You know that one particular thing that really stood out
Speaker 3: to me was how much she cared about the experience of.
Speaker 1: The men that she was sleeping with.
Speaker 2: Which is like such a for any woman who is
Speaker 2: in their twenties. And I say, actually, it doesn't matter
Speaker 2: what age you are, but I think about this from
Speaker 2: when I was in my twenties, how much I cared
Speaker 2: about making sure that the person I was with had
Speaker 2: a good time above my own satisfaction.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent relate.
Speaker 2: Like the things that I would have done in my twenties,
Speaker 2: the things I did do, which I look back on
Speaker 2: now and go, that would have been a straight up
Speaker 2: fucking no. But I wanted him to have a good time,
Speaker 2: and so I deprioritize my discomfort or my feelings of like,
Speaker 2: oh that kind of makes me feel icky for his
Speaker 2: pleasure and my worry, which echoes what you say in this, Keisha,
Speaker 2: is that if this is going to be about money
Speaker 2: or be about an experience, the boundaries have to be
Speaker 2: so firm. It's you come in, you get your one
Speaker 2: and a half minutes, your five minutes, whatever it is.
Speaker 2: Because literally, I mean, we've done the maths to sleep
Speaker 2: with a thousand men in twenty four hours. Each man
Speaker 2: would have one minute and forty seconds. Like, that's a
Speaker 2: boundary that has to be firm in order to reach
Speaker 2: that goal. So it's almost as though they need someone
Speaker 2: there who it doesn't have to be Lily. Lily isn't
Speaker 2: the one saying, hey, you need to leave now, because
Speaker 2: that's almost too much pressure for someone who's already in
Speaker 2: quite a vulnerable position to be able to exact those
Speaker 2: sort of boundaries. It's crazy to me how unregulated it
Speaker 2: is and how someone who is a creator can simply
Speaker 2: be like, all right, everyone just rock up to this address,
Speaker 2: because there are so many elements to it that are
Speaker 2: really unsafe.
Speaker 3: Contrast this with the conversation that you guys had with
Speaker 3: Angela White. Angela White had been in the sex industry
Speaker 3: for quite a while before she started her Only Fence.
Speaker 3: She now has her own production company where she is
Speaker 3: the one making the rules. You know, she's the one
Speaker 3: saying yes or no, But she also has the considerations
Speaker 3: of things like her safety. She has her boundaries. They
Speaker 3: are firm as anything. You know, her actual words were,
Speaker 3: if it's not a fuck, yes, it's.
Speaker 1: A no to me.
Speaker 3: And I compare that to Lily, and I think that
Speaker 3: their world's apart. And that's why I think I can
Speaker 3: find Angela's work really empowering, and I can say, Wow,
Speaker 3: that's amazing that you're doing this and you're making all
Speaker 3: of this money from it. And I look at Lily
Speaker 3: and I think you're in a potentially dangerous situation because
Speaker 3: you don't have any of the infrastructure around you to
Speaker 3: support you, to make sure that you're going to be okay.
Speaker 3: And I mean that physically and psychologically.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I mean, like we said at the very beginning,
Speaker 2: we toyed around whether we should have this conversation or not,
Speaker 2: but we had been speaking about it quite a bit,
Speaker 2: and we were like, you know, when something keeps coming up,
Speaker 2: it's what makes us realize, Okay, yes, it's definitely something
Speaker 2: we want to discuss. But the question was whether or
Speaker 2: not talking about this in this light undoes all of
Speaker 2: the really positive conversations that have kind of pushed the
Speaker 2: pendulum into the area of like, Okay, well, look, sex
Speaker 2: workers also have agency, they're not all victims, et cetera,
Speaker 2: et cetera. But I do think it's really important to
Speaker 2: talk about the full spectrum of this and there are
Speaker 2: instances where it sits in the gray, and for us,
Speaker 2: this was definitely one of those discussions that sat within
Speaker 2: the gray. And I think most people who have seen
Speaker 2: that part of this documentary and we will link everything
Speaker 2: in the show notes would feel as uncomfortable as we
Speaker 2: felt overarchingly in the question that we all keep coming
Speaker 2: back to is is this version empowering for women? All Right,
Speaker 2: it's time for us sucking us with Keisha, Petit, Petit Petit?
Speaker 1: What is your suck for the week?
Speaker 3: My suck for the week is that every single year
Speaker 3: I forget that this happens. My car insurance, my private
Speaker 3: health insurance, and my car registration are due on the
Speaker 3: first week of January.
Speaker 1: So what is already a final timing? So bad?
Speaker 3: It's already such a financially stressful time because it's like
Speaker 3: Christmas and you know, you kind of spend up around
Speaker 3: the summer season, right, and I am a good little
Speaker 3: saber like, so it's not like it's not like the
Speaker 3: money's not there.
Speaker 1: It's not like I'm gonna have to you know, beg,
Speaker 1: borrow and steal.
Speaker 3: But I think just every time it comes around, I
Speaker 3: have that same feeling of like, when are you going
Speaker 3: to start learning to prep better?
Speaker 1: Maybe that can be my news resolution. I mean, does
Speaker 1: anyone ever follow through?
Speaker 2: By midnext year you realize you haven't done it, and
Speaker 2: then that'll be perfect.
Speaker 1: What is your sweet for the week? My sweet for
Speaker 1: the week.
Speaker 3: This might sound really lame to so many people, but
Speaker 3: for the past three nights in a row, I've got
Speaker 3: over ninety five percent sleep score on my whoop and
Speaker 3: it brings me so much joy. I got nine hours
Speaker 3: of sleep last night, or right, nine hours.
Speaker 1: And two minutes. Have you seen the thing that's going
Speaker 1: viral the moment?
Speaker 2: The Project did a post on it, and it was
Speaker 2: from a sleep expert who showed a picture of what
Speaker 2: the human body looks like if you consistently have less
Speaker 2: than six hours sleep for twenty years.
Speaker 1: It ain't good. It ain't good. It ain't good.
Speaker 3: And from all of my research into sleep, which is
Speaker 3: actually quite extensive, I'll have you know that if you're
Speaker 3: a woman, you need an extra hour of sleep to
Speaker 3: what your male counterparts do, especially when you MENTIONR eight
Speaker 3: is it actually true?
Speaker 1: I saw that post as well your extensive research. You
Speaker 1: saw a couple of Instagram posts.
Speaker 3: No, I have listened to a lot of podcasts from
Speaker 3: actual sleep experts, and I will say I feel fucking great.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: I was really stressed last week because we had a
Speaker 3: lot of work to do. We had a lot of
Speaker 3: like before.
Speaker 1: Britt went over to Romania, and I was not sleeping.
Speaker 3: Very well because we were all quite stressed and we
Speaker 3: were all kind of crawling to the finish line.
Speaker 1: And now that.
Speaker 3: She's gone, love you, Britt, But I've been back to
Speaker 3: sleeping like an absolute log and it's been fantastic.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Well, my suck on the flip side is that I
Speaker 2: was up at four twenty this morning to get a
Speaker 2: plane to come here to do our recording.
Speaker 3: Was that really me to brag about getting nine hours
Speaker 3: of sleep when you've had like three.
Speaker 2: No, I think it's aspirational, if anything. I look at
Speaker 2: that and I'm like, wow, one day, one day, that
Speaker 2: would be nice.
Speaker 1: To look as fresh.
Speaker 3: You can come sleep at my house and I'll go
Speaker 3: it up and do the midnight like.
Speaker 1: Cuddles with Lola. Were you also fuck my husband? Definitely
Speaker 1: not so mud It would be like what are you
Speaker 1: doing out fucking ros No.
Speaker 2: But look, if I'm gonna be honest, My actual suck
Speaker 2: this past week was that we had our last episode
Speaker 2: with Mitch, which was so I mean, it was beautiful,
Speaker 2: but it was really sad. You guys are very across
Speaker 2: all of that, so I don't want to go into
Speaker 2: it too much again, but that was definitely the low light.
Speaker 2: The highlight of the week, however, was that we went
Speaker 2: and we did the Carols in Surface Paradise And this
Speaker 2: was my second year, Matt's third year, and honestly, it's
Speaker 2: just I'm not being paid to say this.
Speaker 1: It is the most special thing.
Speaker 2: And like the girls come out on stage and sing
Speaker 2: little Song and Lola, so the girls got to come
Speaker 2: out out onto the stage. There is literally like twenty
Speaker 2: thousand people. It is crazy. I'm sure it's not twenty thousand,
Speaker 2: but it is like if I looked at the Life
Speaker 2: on Cut live shows, which was two and a half thousand,
Speaker 2: it would have been six or seven times that.
Speaker 1: It is insane. How many people are there.
Speaker 2: The beach for as far as you can see, is
Speaker 2: just back to back people and the girls are on
Speaker 2: stage and we were singing we Wish you were Merry
Speaker 2: Christmas with the actual singers because neither matter myself can sing.
Speaker 1: And Lola took the microphone from me and she's like,
Speaker 1: wish you were merry Christmas.
Speaker 2: We wish give a little rat rendition, dead pan, really serious,
Speaker 2: just yelling it, we wish you were merry Christmas. And
Speaker 2: she just had so much bravery and I wasn't expecting
Speaker 2: it from her. I was expecting it from Marley, but
Speaker 2: Marley was super shy, she didn't want the microphone nearer,
Speaker 2: and Lola she fucking stepped.
Speaker 1: Up to the plate. But what a cool memory. It's
Speaker 1: so cool.
Speaker 3: I was actually just thinking about the Pink show that
Speaker 3: I went to this year and her daughter comes out
Speaker 3: and sings a song.
Speaker 1: She's actually a really really beautiful singer as well. She
Speaker 1: sings that Sunshine song.
Speaker 3: She actually sings it on the record as well, and
Speaker 3: it was so beautiful to see this, like mom daughter,
Speaker 3: so cool kind of jewet situation. I was just thinking
Speaker 3: about you singing with the girls on the.
Speaker 1: Identical.
Speaker 2: You'd never know the difference anyway, guys, that is it
Speaker 2: from us. Britt and I will be back on Thursday's
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