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Speaker 2: Welcome to Yarning Up, the podcast that showcases First Nations
Speaker 2: stories and conversations to help us learn and unlearn Australia's
Speaker 2: history to work towards a better future. I'm your host,
Speaker 2: proud barber woman and founder of Black Waddel Coaching and Consulting,
Speaker 2: Caroline cow. We acknowledge the rundery people and elders where
Speaker 2: this podcast is taped, but we also acknowledge the lands
Speaker 2: that you are listening in from today. It always was
Speaker 2: and always will be unseated aboriginal and tourist Red Islanderland.
Speaker 2: Welcome back, you deadly souls to season four of Yarning Up.
Speaker 2: Your resence here fills my heart with so much pride
Speaker 2: and even more gratitude. It truly means the absolute world
Speaker 2: to me. Back in twenty twenty one, when we embarked
Speaker 2: on this journey, we had no idea what light ahead,
Speaker 2: but I had a vision to amplify the voices, the
Speaker 2: truths and the stories of black people and their families,
Speaker 2: to carve out our own table, to increase representation in
Speaker 2: the media, to amplify the stories that are too often
Speaker 2: untold or woaded down or totally fabricated for the main
Speaker 2: stream white gaze. I wanted to have deadly yarns with
Speaker 2: deadly people to show us in our joy, our anger,
Speaker 2: our resilience, our wisdom, our passion, and our love for
Speaker 2: family and community. Recently, I have been turning to Balahook's
Speaker 2: a lot. In fact, I have most of my life
Speaker 2: a profound writer and thinker, and someone who has always
Speaker 2: provided guidance in navigating the horrors of the colony. And
Speaker 2: she once said that community is a place where the
Speaker 2: connections felt in our hearts make themselves known in the
Speaker 2: bonds between people, and where the tuggings and pullings of
Speaker 2: these bonds keep opening our hearts. This show has beautifully
Speaker 2: woven together a community not just of listeners, but of
Speaker 2: social justice warriors, of deep thinkers and feelers and lovers.
Speaker 2: And it's a space for those who are eager to
Speaker 2: learn from the oldest culture in the world get to
Speaker 2: foster these connections and these communities that go well beyond
Speaker 2: the airwaves. With all that said, let's get ready to
Speaker 2: dive into another season of inspiration of connection and cannon
Speaker 2: and heartfelt yarns with beautiful black fellows right across this
Speaker 2: country of so called Australia. We are starting this season
Speaker 2: with a live taping can you believe it? A live
Speaker 2: taping at Beyond the Valley, which was held on water
Speaker 2: On Lands on the thirty first of December two thousand
Speaker 2: and twenty three. I had the absolute joy and privilege
Speaker 2: to reflect on the year that was with the incredibly
Speaker 2: talented singer, songwriter and performer Kean Bindle. I want to
Speaker 2: say a big shout out to the crew at Untitled
Speaker 2: Group who organized this festival Beyond the Valley with thirty
Speaker 2: five thousand patrons every single year. I want to say
Speaker 2: thank you for them for inviting us to be a
Speaker 2: part of this phenomenal podcast tent. And lastly, I just
Speaker 2: want to say thank you to you followers once again
Speaker 2: for being a part of this journey. And I can't
Speaker 2: wait for this incredible season that lies ahead.
Speaker 1: I read online that Indigenous people they don't even want it.
Speaker 3: Eighty percent of us do.
Speaker 4: We need a voice, We need that structural change.
Speaker 3: A victory for Yes would indeed make history.
Speaker 2: The ballot paper doesn't begin to capture the complexity of
Speaker 2: this conversation.
Speaker 4: That's what the voice is an Advisory Committee. We can
Speaker 4: embrace the Earlaru statement from the heart for a voice
Speaker 4: came from the people and it will be decided by
Speaker 4: the people.
Speaker 5: Breaking news tonight the referendum for the voice to Parliament
Speaker 5: has been defeated.
Speaker 2: There will be a period of grief and I think
Speaker 2: the whole nation should be grieving opportunity and.
Speaker 5: Asking when is it enough?
Speaker 1: It's hello, have you knew you about?
Speaker 3: The fucker?
Speaker 5: Is since? Wild?
Speaker 2: Good morning? Good morning, Hello, welcome, this is exciting. How's
Speaker 2: everyone feeling?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Maybe on the counter three we'll say how we're all feeling?
Speaker 5: One?
Speaker 2: Two, three, Yeah, I love it, love it. Well, this
Speaker 2: is so crazy. I started this show Yarning up in
Speaker 2: my bedroom like two years ago, in the middle of
Speaker 2: like a mad existential crisis, and I had a vision
Speaker 2: to just bring mob and mob stories to non Aboriginal people,
Speaker 2: to learn to laugh, to connect with our knowledges and storages.
Speaker 2: So to be here today is really really exciting, and
Speaker 2: I'm so excited to get to yan with Sissy Kian.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm so so grateful. Kean is an extremely talented musician, songwriter, performer,
Speaker 2: and yeah, I'm just so grateful that you're here today
Speaker 2: to have a bit of beyond. Well, it's day four
Speaker 2: of the festival, and it's the end of the year,
Speaker 2: and I wanted to just start with doing a bit
Speaker 2: of a mindfulness moment and sort of grounding us here
Speaker 2: on country. And I think it's not until we come
Speaker 2: to places like Beyond the Valley that we realize how
Speaker 2: important land is and how important togetherness and coming together
Speaker 2: for music, and so yeah, I want to do a
Speaker 2: bit of a mindful moment, if that's okay for all
Speaker 2: of us. So maybe where you're seated, or if you're standing,
Speaker 2: if you want to just take a moment and put
Speaker 2: your feet in country, maybe give a little shake, just
Speaker 2: kind of open yourself up to being held in this moment.
Speaker 2: And I want to just begin by acknowledging that we
Speaker 2: gather today in unity as a community unsacred, stolen and
Speaker 2: unseated Aboriginal lands.
Speaker 1: Together.
Speaker 2: Let us honor and recognize the sacredness of this place.
Speaker 1: This is our old antitheater.
Speaker 2: This is where mob used to congregate and welcome and
Speaker 2: come together just like this over thousands of years. This
Speaker 2: is home to the water On peoples and their neighbors.
Speaker 2: The Gundi Jamara mobs, and I want to acknowledge them.
Speaker 2: And I also want to acknowledge all owners of country.
Speaker 2: I want to acknowledge their.
Speaker 1: Stories, their songs.
Speaker 2: Their customs, their laws, all of which have existed long.
Speaker 1: Before what we now call governments.
Speaker 2: Every day, as black fellows, we honor our old people,
Speaker 2: our ancestors, our families, our creators, and our knowledge keepers
Speaker 2: and teachers, our elders past and present. I want to
Speaker 2: acknowledge them, their laughter, their spirit and their hard fought legacies.
Speaker 1: I also want to acknowledge our young people.
Speaker 2: We see you forging your own paths and you know,
Speaker 2: taking up the good fight and the good rest in
Speaker 2: new and unprecedented ways.
Speaker 1: So I want to acknowledge you.
Speaker 2: I also want to acknowledge every single ally here and
Speaker 2: the six million of you who voted yes to change
Speaker 2: the fucking story in this country. We thank you for
Speaker 2: walking with us and for elevating us and for fighting
Speaker 2: the good fight.
Speaker 3: I just want to.
Speaker 2: Say thank you and acknowledge all of those wonderful people.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I want yeah with you.
Speaker 5: Kia.
Speaker 2: Last year you were on the bill, you performed here yea,
Speaker 2: and this year you're a festival goer. So any festival
Speaker 2: highlights this year so far?
Speaker 3: Oh so many.
Speaker 5: Hey, it's really nice just being on the other side
Speaker 5: of it, like our first experience last year, like running
Speaker 5: around really keen first, like big kind of yeah music
Speaker 5: festival that we got to play, and then this year
Speaker 5: coming with my friends and Yasi and being a part
Speaker 5: of this, like just being a punter going to you know,
Speaker 5: Taylor Lane last night and yeah, seeing the like huge
Speaker 5: crowds of people just run off the dom dollar like
Speaker 5: it was just a spectacle to be a part of.
Speaker 3: And yeah, it's been fun.
Speaker 5: Yes, sweet, Yeah, today I'm keen to see I think
Speaker 5: pick Bata are playing today.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Pania was amazing yesterday.
Speaker 5: It's it's a great line up, like really diverse. And
Speaker 5: Miss Kninna was the day before. Did I don't want
Speaker 5: see Miss Canina? Yeah? How was she?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah so good.
Speaker 3: We missed unfortunately but love her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's an amazing thing, toy And like you say,
Speaker 2: it's just such a diverse crowd and diverse lineup of
Speaker 2: talent and yeah, thirty five thousand people, thirty five new
Speaker 2: thousand besties up in the house. So as we do
Speaker 2: on our show, yarning up our show is really, as
Speaker 2: I say, all about black stories.
Speaker 1: And trying to tell them on our terms.
Speaker 2: I think we're in a really weird time where we're
Speaker 2: looking at truth telling and you know, connecting with people
Speaker 2: and who they are, you know, not what they do,
Speaker 2: but what's going on like in here. So I want
Speaker 2: to start by asking you know, who's your mob and
Speaker 2: where did you grow up and a little bit about yeah,
Speaker 2: your personal story.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so you're ladakan Yo Google Alanja, Jitible, Butterleg Bombay
Speaker 5: Madam what and Jeddy Wei Wooong big Bod And I
Speaker 5: I said in yelling ge that my name's Kean. I'm
Speaker 5: a proud Yellonge Jitible and Taresha Alander from North Queensland.
Speaker 5: I grew up on Bndala wah Gruguba country called Townsville
Speaker 5: in North Queensland. And I also said that I live
Speaker 5: on n'am which is what and Jeddy Wong country. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and I grew up in Townsville. I just came back
Speaker 5: from there before we came to the festival and it
Speaker 5: was really beautiful, just super tropical home, just caught up
Speaker 5: with lots of family. I think that's why when I
Speaker 5: came to the first of all, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 5: it'll be harder to be warm, and then fucking Victorian
Speaker 5: weather just yeah, freezing, but trying to still like look
Speaker 5: tropical even though I'm freezing. Yeah, I grew up in Townsville.
Speaker 5: How about you, sis? Where'd you grow up me from?
Speaker 2: So my family's from innerspau find Off, Queensland where rainforest people.
Speaker 1: But yeah, we've moved down here. Mom came down in
Speaker 1: the seventies.
Speaker 2: Mom we got one of six were stolen gen so
Speaker 2: my mom was taken and sort of yeah, corb under
Speaker 2: Land home, which.
Speaker 1: Is really beautiful.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we go back on country every opportunity we get.
Speaker 2: My family they got native title up there, they got
Speaker 2: they fought for thirty years and they got land back,
Speaker 2: course land back, and yeah, now they're living on country.
Speaker 1: They're living on the land.
Speaker 2: They're just doing their thing, farming, setting up you know,
Speaker 2: food and Kimmi unities and ways for our family to
Speaker 2: return back to that place kind of like this, you
Speaker 2: know where we all come in and we've got shipping
Speaker 2: containers and yeah, it's pretty dope to go back and
Speaker 2: kind of soak it up and get out of the
Speaker 2: rat race. Feeling you know, of the Western world. So yeah,
Speaker 2: Murray's to Murray's look Out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Kean is a phenomenal artist.
Speaker 2: Your song Better Things that was released in the pandemic've
Speaker 2: Got a Blood. Me and my neighbors loved it, was
Speaker 2: singing it up real love.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you've you've.
Speaker 2: Kind of released two new dancey viby sway tracks, Catch
Speaker 2: the Night, kind of.
Speaker 5: Got cut the Night.
Speaker 2: In Sunset. I'm sure some of people here have been
Speaker 2: catching the Night to sunset. If I was here, I
Speaker 2: would have been catching the Night to Sunset too, And
Speaker 2: no shame, but yeah, I want to I want to
Speaker 2: ask you.
Speaker 1: Sis, were was there any like specific.
Speaker 2: Events or experiences that was happening in your life that
Speaker 2: really influenced the change in your music And yeah, this
Speaker 2: kind of new new way of expressing yourself.
Speaker 5: Honestly, coming out of lockdowns, just wanted to be back
Speaker 5: out there. Yeah, at music festivals, at giegs, just like
Speaker 5: having a good time making music with friends and just thought,
Speaker 5: you know, I have this amazing opportunity to work with
Speaker 5: a produce. I love Alice Ivy who made Sunsets and
Speaker 5: Catch the Night to shout out to her, and yeah,
Speaker 5: I just told her like I want something fun, something
Speaker 5: that I can performat, you know, beyond the Valley, which
Speaker 5: we did last year, those two songs we debut there.
Speaker 5: I think that was the main motivation. Sunsets was kind
Speaker 5: of about missing herme North Queensland, chropical weather, just like
Speaker 5: slowing down, like you said, like feeling like you can
Speaker 5: step out of the rat race a little bit and
Speaker 5: you know, appreciate country and then catch the night. It
Speaker 5: was kind of about, yeah, being in the moment and
Speaker 5: finding joy and so I think that was the main motivation.
Speaker 5: With the change in music with my last two singles,
Speaker 5: but still always love Soul, I feel like that's always
Speaker 5: gonna be a big influence, just like hits, you know,
Speaker 5: like comes from my will woo from spirit, from love
Speaker 5: and yeah, being able to work with Alice Ivy just
Speaker 5: you know, married those two things together so well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so true really is like a beautiful culbination. And
Speaker 2: I think it's so nice like as people or as
Speaker 2: artists that we don't have to be defined by one thing,
Speaker 2: like we're not this or we're not that, and we
Speaker 2: can be a bit of everything and stay true to ourselves.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm loving the new tracks. Well, look, I
Speaker 2: want to say a huge part of our show at
Speaker 2: Yarning Up is trying to make Aboriginal.
Speaker 1: Knowledge accessible for people.
Speaker 2: I think sometimes think people think about Aboriginal people or
Speaker 2: our knowledges as like the lockness monster or something so
Speaker 2: mystical and you know, far fet But the sophistication and
Speaker 2: the engineering that our mob even blows my mind.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it blows your mind too. We'll be back
Speaker 1: here mob right after this short break.
Speaker 2: But I wanted to just share a little yarn that
Speaker 2: I want to yeah, which I encourage you to maybe
Speaker 2: take back to your camp, or take back to your families,
Speaker 2: or take back to your communities. And I wanted to
Speaker 2: share a bit about Aboriginal song lines. I was thinking
Speaker 2: about sharing that with the mob. It's such a beautiful thing.
Speaker 2: So for eighty thousand years, our Mob have been using
Speaker 2: music as ways to communicate, to heal, to share, and
Speaker 2: since colonization, we've been using it as a way to
Speaker 2: elevate political messages. Literally, as Black Follows, we celebrated and
Speaker 2: commemorated everything with song, dance, and philosophy.
Speaker 1: Whether it was a birth, whether it was a death,
Speaker 1: whether it was a passing, of people coming through.
Speaker 2: You know, music has been a way that we really
Speaker 2: stop and acknowledge that, and song lines are essentially this
Speaker 2: huge library of information picture like a Wi Fi system
Speaker 2: that we all use our phones with. But in Australia
Speaker 2: we have what's called these ancient tracks that kind of
Speaker 2: span from the north to the.
Speaker 1: South, to the east to the west.
Speaker 2: And essentially what elders or tribesmen used to do is
Speaker 2: in order to recall or memorize information that would make
Speaker 2: a song out of it. So they would look around
Speaker 2: and say we're in the blue ten with the yellow
Speaker 2: bler and kind of take in all this information through
Speaker 2: a song and they would sing on where to hunt,
Speaker 2: where together, what roads to take, and they would pass
Speaker 2: that song down as a way to pass on the message,
Speaker 2: so that you were able to pass on that sort
Speaker 2: of ancient knowledge through a trade route. And it's sort
Speaker 2: of those songs that they would use.
Speaker 1: To share really important knowledges.
Speaker 2: Most of our highways and major roads are built on
Speaker 2: the back of song lines.
Speaker 1: Which is pretty crazy.
Speaker 2: So like the famous road across the Nullibre from the
Speaker 2: Perth to Adelaide is the song line. The road between
Speaker 2: the Kimberleys and the Darwin is on the back of
Speaker 2: a song line, and the most I guess the most
Speaker 2: famously known story of a songline is the story of
Speaker 2: the wrangu Seven Sisters.
Speaker 1: What it is, It's like this really chaotic love.
Speaker 2: Story where Orion's belt was tracking these seven bright sisters
Speaker 2: in the sky and what's in Niru the snake was
Speaker 2: kind of chasing these seven sisters. He was like so
Speaker 2: in love with them, probably like red flag unhinged behavior nowadays,
Speaker 2: but back then it was really, you know, beautiful thing.
Speaker 2: And the story goes, Yeah, the Watimiriri snake traveled from
Speaker 2: the literally from the east to the west and the
Speaker 2: west and back again. And they say that most of
Speaker 2: our song lines actually travel through Ularu and then back
Speaker 2: out and that's why Ularu has just got so much significance.
Speaker 2: And so yeah, I wanted to share that with you
Speaker 2: because maybe, like it kind of it sort of makes
Speaker 2: me think personally about what information I would be choosing
Speaker 2: to pass down, like what songs would I be singing
Speaker 2: these days?
Speaker 1: And so with all of that in mind, Sis, I wanted.
Speaker 2: To ask you about, you know, how do you think
Speaker 2: the storytelling aspect of music contributes to raising awareness and
Speaker 2: particularly now when we're in like a revolution and we're
Speaker 2: talking about the liberation and the world is kind of
Speaker 2: waking up to a lot of colonial ills. You know,
Speaker 2: how important is music to sort of elevate and share
Speaker 2: these stories.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's vital and it's been a you know,
Speaker 5: tool for change since the beginning, telling our stories for
Speaker 5: our future generations, like building momentum for change. I think,
Speaker 5: you know, a lot of music it comes from black music,
Speaker 5: which was used for protests, for activism, for liberation. So
Speaker 5: now I feel like there's a kind of sense of
Speaker 5: duty to you know, carry your values and your hopes
Speaker 5: for future generations with your art, at least for me. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I think it was really special this year releasing a
Speaker 5: song with sus Emma Donovan, who's Brad Nulla Yamaji gombang
Speaker 5: geir Aboriginal woman. We wrote a song for Uncle Archie
Speaker 5: Roach and his foundation plus uncle and yeah, we got together.
Speaker 5: It was like around Jane twenty six, talking about I
Speaker 5: guess activists and elders that inspired us and how we
Speaker 5: wanted to make a song that honored them and sent
Speaker 5: love to them, and also like yeah, imagining like carrying
Speaker 5: that torch forward for like head borders and future generations
Speaker 5: in our communities to do the same like our elders
Speaker 5: have done for us.
Speaker 3: So we won't take no more.
Speaker 5: And we really we released it the Uncle Archie's Foundation
Speaker 5: and then yeah, just seeing how it's like moved with
Speaker 5: black fellows and with allies and with community, like how
Speaker 5: it's yea motivated or inspired people. And yeah, we even
Speaker 5: got to sing it at me and my yeah, my
Speaker 5: cousin and our friend a direct Aboriginal woman. We've got
Speaker 5: to stand up and sing it for the Palestine rally.
Speaker 5: And yeah, I think music's just vital to enact change
Speaker 5: and it has always done that.
Speaker 1: I think like every backdrop of every major.
Speaker 2: Point in history within the context of a revolution or
Speaker 2: liberation does have like that really important music to transcend
Speaker 2: the masses. Hey, Like I think about like even the
Speaker 2: song Treaty you know by your Off the India, which
Speaker 2: is like the first song ever in language. You know
Speaker 2: how important that was, you know, nineteen ninety one and
Speaker 2: thirty years later it was still like I remember even
Speaker 2: being a kid, it's like treating and now it's like
Speaker 2: you know, now I'm like, oh, I finally understand what
Speaker 2: these things mean, you know, and even yeah, art he wrote,
Speaker 2: as you say, less resting in the dreaming, but the
Speaker 2: song took the children away, you know, all of these
Speaker 2: really important songs, and even now like artists like Barker
Speaker 2: and Lookie and yourself, and you know, everyone's sort of
Speaker 2: spreading the message. My uncle PJ Roses, he said to me.
Speaker 2: He's a black stage manager. He started working in you know,
Speaker 2: Uncle PJ. Everyone knows Uncle PJ. He's always got to
Speaker 2: dart in one hand and a red wine in the other,
Speaker 2: and he's always you know, he's just the life of
Speaker 2: the party. And he's like, oh, if you go up
Speaker 2: on this festival thing, can you skype me up.
Speaker 1: And give me a g episode?
Speaker 2: All right, But yeah, he was sort of saying the
Speaker 2: other day he was at our house. It was like,
Speaker 2: how good it is that even it is important to
Speaker 2: elevate those political messages. But having young black artists who
Speaker 2: are just singing for the joy and the love of
Speaker 2: music as well, you know, having a bit of a
Speaker 2: bit of both.
Speaker 3: That, Yeah, black joy is still resistance. And I don't
Speaker 3: have always be you.
Speaker 5: Know, outspoken like that. It can just be being in spaces.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so true black Joy, Black Love. They're the antidote,
Speaker 2: that's the that's the key to all of this, isn't it.
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you this year has.
Speaker 2: Been, like for Black Follows anyway, a fucking dumpster fire
Speaker 2: of a year.
Speaker 1: It's been probably one of the hardest times.
Speaker 2: But I think for all of us, is people and societies,
Speaker 2: we're all just kind of like questioning, you know, what,
Speaker 2: what's it all mean? And how do we have spaces
Speaker 2: where we can come together like this and connect and
Speaker 2: to be. But I know for a lot of us, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're feeling I guess the collective grief and the collective
Speaker 2: trauma and and this is why we need joy and
Speaker 2: places like this to just fucking be, you know, just be.
Speaker 1: I wanted to.
Speaker 2: Maybe ask you and throw it out to anyone in
Speaker 2: the crowd if they're feeling up for it, feeling awake.
Speaker 1: You know what, what do you think this year has
Speaker 1: taught you? What?
Speaker 2: What is it taught you? And what are you wanting
Speaker 2: to cultivate more of next year? Like what are you
Speaker 2: willing to let go of? And what do you want
Speaker 2: more of next year?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I think this year kind of taught me to really, yeah,
Speaker 5: just be more grounded in the moment, especially with like
Speaker 5: family and friends, because it just goes so quickly, you know,
Speaker 5: life is so sure. I think that was the main thing,
Speaker 5: especially like with the referendum, and like you said, dumps
Speaker 5: the fire of a year, like really sitting with those
Speaker 5: like like yeah, loving moments even through the grief, just
Speaker 5: being there with community, just like you know, being centered.
Speaker 5: I think that was like what I kind of really
Speaker 5: took away from it and what I'll carry next year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what about you, sis, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel the same. I feel like.
Speaker 2: Just yeah, like you say, sitting in it and processing
Speaker 2: it all. I think sometimes like the Western world demands
Speaker 2: us to be doing and like on and constantly like striving.
Speaker 2: And I think that even this notion about having a
Speaker 2: new Year's resolution for me, I'm like, I'm just trying
Speaker 2: to fucking process this year before I think about it
Speaker 2: a little bit. And I don't know, I feel like
Speaker 2: I don't really have any.
Speaker 1: Wise end of year live, laugh, love, like you know, epiphanies.
Speaker 2: I just feel really proud that we've just survived, like
Speaker 2: all of us here, like round of applause, like we've
Speaker 2: all survived.
Speaker 1: The last three years have been a total mind fuck, and.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of us have just not just
Speaker 2: black follows, all of us are really redefining what it
Speaker 2: means to live happy in healthy lives together.
Speaker 1: You know, we're all on this journey.
Speaker 2: So I'm just trying to process to trying to sit
Speaker 2: in it, trying to be okay with it, and just
Speaker 2: trying to like pat myself on the back for getting through.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what.
Speaker 2: About you, mom, of anyone in the crowd, any lessons
Speaker 2: any feels, Yeah, I got some mine over there.
Speaker 6: I think, like, similar to what you guys are talking
Speaker 6: about about, there's so much responsibility placed on Bob to
Speaker 6: do and to act and to take action on things,
Speaker 6: but centering that onto something specific that you want.
Speaker 3: Is really hard.
Speaker 6: But I've worked out that wherever you invest that passion
Speaker 6: and that love, it actually does take action and it
Speaker 6: works and it makes a difference. But if you just
Speaker 6: work out what is the passion and what you love,
Speaker 6: that it's easier to.
Speaker 1: Do preach love that anyone else.
Speaker 7: I think, like we've been talking about this back of
Speaker 7: accounts as well, but like reflecting on the year, and
Speaker 7: I think like a big thing for me to reflect
Speaker 7: on this year is like standing firm in.
Speaker 3: Your values and what you believe in.
Speaker 7: I think if the referendum, the ongoing genocide in Gaza
Speaker 7: has shown anything, it's like, this is the time for
Speaker 7: you to take stand or to stand firm and.
Speaker 3: Your belief or whatever it is.
Speaker 7: And another thing that's like outside of sort of big
Speaker 7: big big things is like actually to like hold your
Speaker 7: loved ones close. I think a lot of people have
Speaker 7: experienced grief this year. But if you keep your family close,
Speaker 7: if you keep rooted in your culture, it helps you
Speaker 7: know just stands strong, stand for not to do it
Speaker 7: by yourself. Keep that in mind for next year.
Speaker 2: Yes, you should jump up, please that, Mike, You're so right.
Speaker 1: I feel you on that bro like like it's all connected.
Speaker 2: You know what we're seeing Middle East and Congu Sadan organization.
Speaker 2: It's also deeply interrelated. But I also see that this is.
Speaker 1: A deeply transformative time.
Speaker 2: And I don't know, maybe I've got rose colored glasses,
Speaker 2: but I see a world where we.
Speaker 1: Return back to land.
Speaker 2: We're like living together, we're growing food together, we're sharing
Speaker 2: our time together. We're taking a back to the community,
Speaker 2: We're taking her back to the collectivity. We're going back
Speaker 2: to families and this is just like this, yeah, transformative
Speaker 2: time for us to go back to what we've always known,
Speaker 2: which is tribe, community, being cooperators, being helpers together. And yeah,
Speaker 2: like you say, holding to that value is really important.
Speaker 5: I love that, so true, And that's what the land wants,
Speaker 5: like it's calling us to do that. That's what Blackfellows
Speaker 5: have done and indigenous people across the world. So yeah,
Speaker 5: it's very transformative time, but definitely important time to lack
Speaker 5: in your sea sense then and your values stand strong,
Speaker 5: so then collectively we all get there together leave no
Speaker 5: one behind.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think also like with that in mind, I think
Speaker 2: this is kind of taught me too that you know
Speaker 2: rest we say, like rest is resistance or rest is
Speaker 2: just like fucking required and with any like social movement
Speaker 2: or you know, any difficult period like the last few years,
Speaker 2: like these things have its own consciousness, its own entities,
Speaker 2: and we have to learn to the revolution will require
Speaker 2: rest and endurance, and so we have to find new
Speaker 2: ways to look after self.
Speaker 1: If in order to nurture.
Speaker 2: Kin and community and other we must find ways to nurtureself,
Speaker 2: and we can't neglect ourselves in the process, even while
Speaker 2: all these you know, atrocities are happening. We have to
Speaker 2: go back to finding new ways to look after ourselves
Speaker 2: and places like this is like is that I feel
Speaker 2: there are extensions of that there, communities coming together for joy,
Speaker 2: for laughter, for letting go of the mask or the idea,
Speaker 2: have to be something and just being you know who
Speaker 2: you are. Yeah, So next year I think it's going
Speaker 2: to be a transformative one for all of.
Speaker 1: Us, say true, deadly, deadly, deadly.
Speaker 2: The other thing I think I learned this year is
Speaker 2: a little bit about like relationships, about I don't know
Speaker 2: if everyone here has experienced ships in their lives with
Speaker 2: friends and relationships, but yeah, things have to be loving
Speaker 2: and reciprocal because we all need to Yeah, come up,
Speaker 2: come come together.
Speaker 1: It's got to be reciprocal.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And like what you were saying about rest is resistance,
Speaker 5: I feel like I've learned how like community loved ones
Speaker 5: friends Like in my ideal world, they're like, you know,
Speaker 5: they're for you to rest and to you know, self care,
Speaker 5: but like community care. So yeah, I don't know, just
Speaker 5: what you're saying reminded me of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a safe place for us to land, to
Speaker 2: regroot regroup. Yeah, and that's why we need a treasure
Speaker 2: those moments saying anything anything you're looking forward to next year? Oh,
Speaker 2: where are you playing? Have you got any shows anywhere
Speaker 2: people can connect with you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm trying to do a tour. I'm releasing my
Speaker 5: debut EP in like April.
Speaker 3: Just so excited.
Speaker 5: Thank you. Yeah, doing like Brunswick Music Festival, so cute.
Speaker 5: Ms Canin is going to be on the same stage
Speaker 5: that it's like all Black Followers, Yeah.
Speaker 3: For Brunswick Music Festival. So that'll be fun.
Speaker 5: Doing a show in Sydney for Sydney first in a
Speaker 5: couple of weeks. And then it's been beautiful, like I've
Speaker 5: got wedding bookings which is new for me, which is
Speaker 5: really lovely. Like, yeah, I'd love to sing at some weddings.
Speaker 1: Hopefully you can be playing at my wedding sing no pressure, Michael.
Speaker 1: That's exciting. How nice to sort of celebrate invading people's love.
Speaker 5: I love that, Yeah, exactly, and really trying to I
Speaker 5: don't know, plan you cheer to just spend a good
Speaker 5: chunk of time back home, like I've got to do
Speaker 5: it last year and actually it was in Barburan Country.
Speaker 3: Your country with uncle there.
Speaker 5: We went to Google the island with all these kids
Speaker 5: and I went snuckling and it was like a beautiful program.
Speaker 5: So yeah, that's what I want next year, to just
Speaker 5: be home. Like, yeah, I love being down here and
Speaker 5: doing gigs and being on like amazing stuff like this,
Speaker 5: but like it's so important to go home and connect
Speaker 5: to the country and community and family.
Speaker 2: Yeah, get that strength, absolutely, and just to sort of
Speaker 2: like uncomplicate it all.
Speaker 1: It's also simple when you.
Speaker 2: Stop and you get to experience the power of community land.
Speaker 2: It's it's really so simple. We just kind of complicate
Speaker 2: it all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, beautiful.
Speaker 2: Well that's kind of the end of my formal questions
Speaker 2: for you. I'm so grateful to sort of have a
Speaker 2: arm with you today, you know, the end of a
Speaker 2: busy time. It's sneeze the last day. And yeah, thank
Speaker 2: you mob for coming.
Speaker 1: I want you.
Speaker 2: To look after yourselves, look after this land, look after
Speaker 2: each other. Say loo to your uncles and Annie's for me,
Speaker 2: and yeah mad respon Banks, have a good days.
Speaker 1: Happy.
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