WEBVTT - WILL SIMON RETURN TO AUSTRALIAN SURVIVOR? 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:02.880 Hey guys, my name's Benjamin Norris and this is my 0:00:03.000 --> 0:00:05.920 first pop up episode of TV Reload. I've had a 0:00:05.920 --> 0:00:08.400 lot of requests to feature some of your favorite reality 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:11.119 TV stars and actors on the podcast, and while I 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:13.640 would love to have everyone from each show across the 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:16.880 networks and streaming services, I'm just going to start featuring 0:00:16.920 --> 0:00:19.720 the occasional guests who are making the biggest waves on 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:22.919 your TV screens. So expect to hear some inside stories 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:25.800 from the most loved, the most controversial, and the most 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:28.120 exciting names we all would love to hear just that 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:32.120 little bit more from. Today, I have Simon from Australian Survivor. 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:35.479 He has played a really strong game and has been 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:39.440 featured quite heavily throughout the current series Brains Versus Braun 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:42.479 on Channel ten sunken with two immunity idols. He is 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:45.839 the shock elimination no one's all coming, which is what 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:49.239 all Survivor fans know as a blind side. I for one, 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:52.760 I'm going to miss those budgy smugglers and his gameplay. However, 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:56.200 let's not embarrass ourselves and get started with today's guest 0:00:56.400 --> 0:00:59.080 from Australian Survivor. It's Simon me. 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:03.200 Australian Survivor is definitely taking on a very different style 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:05.640 to what we've seen in say, the US seasons. 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:08.360 What does it take to win the World's Toughest game? 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:09.760 Where are the cracks? 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:09.880 Like? 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:12.480 How did I not see this coming? Simon could fill 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:13.960 the pressure and. 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:15.440 You know, I would have done it if there wasn't 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:17.240 on TV and there wasn't half a million dollars on 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:19.319 the line. I found myself as a leader and the 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:20.800 alpha male within this tribe. 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:22.880 If that made me out as the villain at the 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:24.280 end of the day, then so be. 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:26.480 You haven't first voted out of Australia. So I have 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:28.600 a brain versus rawn Simon. 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:31.160 Yeah, so much is out of your control. You know, 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:33.200 you've just got to You've just got to do what 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:33.600 you can. 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:35.520 Hey, Simon, how are you? 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:35.800 Yeah? 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:38.440 Look, I didn't expect to be here this early, that's 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:38.919 for sure. 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:40.960 I know. Well, I think it was a huge shock 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:43.480 for most people watching this show. I think it's probably 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:44.920 the biggest shock for the season. 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:48.640 Yeah, shocked is definitely a way way to put it. Like, yeah, 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:50.960 massive blind side. 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:54.279 For the first time ever, Today's challenge is not about winning. 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:55.920 We want to lose today. 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:59.160 Throw the immunity challenge, blindside Simon, send him home with 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:00.640 two idols in his back pocket. 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:03.480 I need to get rid of the app. Simon needs 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:03.720 to go. 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:06.800 I mean, was that cool or was that cool? Like 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:08.079 to watch that go down? 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:11.920 You know, just such an epic epic game, epic plan 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:13.760 to see it all kind of come off. And it 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:18.040 took my tribe, my own alliance half the other tribe 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:19.920 to like bring me down like it was. 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:23.000 It's pretty cool. So I'm very very happy to be 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:24.800 part of, you know, an. 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:27.160 Epic TV moment, just yet maybe not the side of 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:31.600 history that I wanted to be on. Oh that is 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:36.960 absolutely heartbreaking to be the first person industrowings of Ivory 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:40.320 go home with not one but two idols in my pocket. 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:43.400 That one really hurt. 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:46.520 Well, my first question for you is something that's plagued 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:49.760 me the entire competition. Who would win in an arm 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:52.040 wrestle between you and Jonathan Lapallia? 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:58.120 Oh god, oh look jail Pete like man, yeah, he 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:01.480 is ripped like there is no denying, like the best 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:03.320 guns in the outback, and he said. 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:05.160 He couldn't find it. You know, he'd been in La 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:07.519 and the gyms weren't opening stuff, but he was still 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:10.800 looking in really good form. So I was very impressed 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:13.120 there and I wouldn't count my chickens. 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:17.040 Last night must have been pretty intense for you to 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:19.200 be able to watch this. A lot of Survivor castaways 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:23.240 have described watching their final episode with the Nation as wild. 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:25.639 Can you walk me through the experience last night? 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:28.560 Yeah, watching myself on TV has been really interesting. 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:30.520 We will probably have a bit of a waker saying this, 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:33.840 but like, I'm watching this guy who I look up 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:36.320 to and you know, I support, I share a lot 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:37.840 of the same morals as him, and I just want 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:40.560 him to succeed. And I'm really just just cheering on 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:42.520 this person who I'm still invested in, and I just 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:44.040 want him to do well and I don't want him 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:44.360 to fail. 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:45.880 And that's been really exciting. 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:49.280 And I have enjoyed watching my failures and triumphs throughout 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:49.680 the season. 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:53.440 And then last night was last night was actually really nice. 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:55.880 I didn't have the sweaty hands, I wasn't like, you know, 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:58.080 sitting like this in front of the TV the whole time. 0:03:58.320 --> 0:04:01.480 It was actually closure for me in a really nice way. 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:03.880 That edit was really kind to me and I think 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:05.800 it really showed how I played a lot of my 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:08.920 game this year and the way that I approached all 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:10.440 kind of travels, And I think that, you know, a 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:12.200 little bit to the edit probably didn't have me as 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:14.600 pinners a little bit more confident, but you know, I 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:17.320 was very aware of the reality of what was going 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:19.359 on and the twists and turns that we're going to 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:22.839 be coming my way. So it was closure in the 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:25.279 sense that I was sitting there and being like the 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:27.720 amount of times that I played back that forty eight 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:30.760 seventy two hours before I got eliminated, be like, where 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:31.520 did I muck up? 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:33.640 What did I miss? Where are the cracks? 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:33.760 Like? 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:36.440 How did I not see this coming? And there were none? 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:39.880 It was so well executed across every single touch point 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:43.440 days in advance that yeah, I mean, how do you 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:46.200 combat that? Like that's that's huge, like in your own 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:49.000 alliance turning on you, the whole tribe being in on 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:51.360 a new information being passed on to the other tribe 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:53.200 on that you know, that little crazy twist. 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:55.200 Me not thinking it was going to be, you know, 0:04:55.440 --> 0:04:57.400 be anything there it was. It was. 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:00.839 It was the perfect storm, the perfect blind And I 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:04.279 have to give full credit to everyone in there, Danny 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:08.040 for enabling it, Hailey just the mastermind behind that. To 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:11.359 blindside the blindsider, and like Flick and Chelsea, like they're 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:15.280 acting throughout that entire period was incredible, Like I really 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:18.520 underestimated them, And yeah, it was poetry to watch back. 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:20.600 Have you been able to check out the reaction that 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:23.359 you've received online from the fans from last night's episode. 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:24.240 Yeah, Look, I. 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:28.760 Didn't really sleep last night and I've been overwhelmed with 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:31.400 the support that I've got. There's so much love out 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:35.159 there and it's been really nice to see that everyone had, 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:38.039 you know it, what's so supportive of me in my approach. 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:40.680 And I think that the only thing is that I 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:42.600 feel like Australia was collectively. 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:44.159 Like play a right or on point of the TV. 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:49.280 But everyone's been so nice and I'm so grateful for that. 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:53.000 And I went into the game with my morals. 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:56.440 To play hard, play fair, to enjoy it and have 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:58.760 fun and just soak up the experience and to be 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:01.279 a good human and I really feel like that came 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:02.320 across last night. 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:05.599 Well, I saw a few people putting together a dream 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:09.440 team for the next All Stars, and now most of 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:12.640 these people have you on the list, so it would 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:15.200 be remissive me not to ask you this question. Would 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:15.919 you go back? 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:20.680 Hell yeah, if my fiance is watching this, like we 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:24.880 need to discuss this at another time, not this year. 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:27.240 I mean, look at that. If they call me, yeah, sure, 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:28.480 but like I need. 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:31.320 Time to recover because I mean, anyone who plays know 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:33.800 the know what you go through, and you know the 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:38.520 dreamal fatigue and the mental stress that goes along with 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:39.320 playing a game like that. 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:39.920 It's crazy. 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:44.080 I am absolutely honored to have people and it's quite 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:46.480 overwhelmed by the amount of people saying, you know, all 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:50.080 stars too, or fans versus favorites or heroes versus villains. 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:52.280 It's been really nice to see. But you know, I 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:54.159 don't like getting too ahead of myself. 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:56.840 I'm happy to just focus on the game that I 0:06:56.880 --> 0:06:59.960 played at the moment and really thankful for the opportun 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:03.440 needed to play once and to have that experience because 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:05.880 as a fanboy, I mean that was huge, Like it 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:08.520 was just life changing and I'm just so grateful to 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:11.000 have that there. But look, it would be a it 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:12.920 would be beyond my wireless dreams to go again. And 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:15.400 I think you know, you turn that up and it's 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:16.120 a different game. 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:19.360 How many times did you apply for a survivor? Because 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:21.400 I know a lot of diehard fans apply a lot 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:22.560 of times before getting in. 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:26.320 Yeah, I look, I applied a couple of times. I 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:30.200 really wanted it after I watched Lee go through and 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:32.920 when he came second that time like that, that was 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:34.640 really like, okay, I really. 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:35.000 Need to do this. 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:37.960 So that was the twenty seventeen he won twenty sixteen 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:40.120 or twenty seventeen that I really wanted it on it 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:42.000 And you know, it's always heartbreaking, you know, you just 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:43.160 you never hear anything. 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:48.400 Auditioning for reality television is brutal. So how did it 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:49.040 happen for you? 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:51.600 I got poached for this season, So it was, you know, 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:54.840 just like a pretty incredible thing there where I had 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:58.720 applied in previous years and it just so happened that 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:00.960 they were looking for some one that you know, in 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:04.400 terms of straight male, which was Bran. 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:06.360 It was so grateful and then they're like, oh, you're 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:07.960 a you're a super fan. I'm like, oh my god, 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:11.440 are you kidding me? Like, yeah, I haven't like many times, 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:13.160 like let me at it, Like what do I need 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:15.600 to do? Like I couldn't believe my luck there. 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:17.760 You can't have all super fans, but you do need 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:20.240 to have some kind of base level of appreciation for 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:24.240 the opportunity that you've been given. Because for anyone who 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:26.480 loves the show or even casually watch the show and 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:28.400 be like, I'd love to get that crack, like you'd 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:31.680 like to think that they get a shot over someone 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:33.720 who's like it would be good for my career, would 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:35.920 be good for my public dissona like that. That grinds 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:36.480 me a little bit. 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:39.960 What was the reality of the show like versus your 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:41.240 expectation If. 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:43.040 You were to really sit down and think about what 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:47.000 that would mean, it's probably pretty spot on. Like we 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:49.880 get to play this game, and you know, I would 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:51.640 have done it if there wasn't on TV and there 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:52.200 wasn't half. 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:54.400 A million dollars on the line, But you. 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:57.719 Get to play this game at the expense of the 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:00.000 you know, the producers a bit making a TV show, 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:01.839 so there are things that need to be done, and 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:03.440 then there was always the magic TV that it kind 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:06.000 of happens, which always goes down like there's always going 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:07.680 to be, you know, a reality of that. 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:09.719 So I feel like it if you were to sit 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:11.040 down and think about it. It would make a lot of 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:13.360 sense out doing what you really go through it. 0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:14.520 And I think you have to go in with the 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:17.640 right attitude to be like where you know, you do 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:20.240 need to take any moments that you have to yourself 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:22.600 to reflect about your game and what's your next move 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:24.360 and what are you going to be doing. I always 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:27.199 wanted to make sure that I was steps ahead of 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:29.880 where I needed to be, so if I needed to 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:32.440 have a relationship with someone, I already had some kind 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:33.360 of foundations there. 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:34.600 So I wasn't going in blind. 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:38.439 And you know, I think that comes with just awareness 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:41.360 and appreciation of the game and making most of it. 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:44.079 So yeah, it was. It was a really special thing 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:45.760 to be part of and it was nice having a 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:48.120 little peek behind the behind the scenes and. 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:50.360 See how it all comes together. But you talked about 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:53.920 going in and did you initially have a game plan 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:56.079 that you would take into the competition. 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:57.600 Yeah, I did. 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:02.240 I did, and I did everything that was I did 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:05.280 the opposite of everything there, and I you know, I 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:07.600 spoke about this with a couple of a couple of friends. 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:10.199 You know, I didn't want to be the alpha. 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:12.440 I didn't want to be the leader, and I wanted 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:14.640 to keep the target off my back and just knew 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:16.840 sure not be a small player. 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:21.240 But there are opportunities that arise that you need to 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:23.120 play the cards that are in your hands, and you 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:24.719 know you can only you. 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:26.720 Only find yourself in that situation when you're around there 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:28.800 and you're like, Okay, these are the people I'm playing with. 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:31.000 This is what I've got to work with. And it 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:32.840 doesn't matter how much you prepare for it. 0:10:33.040 --> 0:10:35.880 You just have to be able to adapt and create 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:39.240 and build and hope and pray to Macedonian Jesus and 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:43.240 the survival gods, because yeah, so much is out of 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:44.079 your control. 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:46.440 You know, you've just got to You've just got to 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:47.040 do what you can. 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:47.319 Well. 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:48.840 At the launch of the show, you said to one 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:51.840 of the magazines that you were okay with being the villain, 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:54.719 being a TV villain. How how does that sit with you? Now? 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:57.080 You've got to love print because it always goes down 0:10:57.120 --> 0:10:59.360 and am you know they always take that clickbait and 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:01.640 then put it down for me, I think the way 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:04.240 I approach it, like, you know, I'm going to play 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:08.200 the game with you know, my integrity and you know 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:11.120 the morals to me, and that's what's important. Then I 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:14.160 think that really shone through. But I didn't care how 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:16.800 that came across. You know, as long as I knew 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:18.120 what I was saying, I knew what I was doing, 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:20.800 was very aware of what was going on around me 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:23.920 and everything, So I wasn't concerned because I knew that 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:26.640 I played the game well and you know, I could 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:28.880 have my hand in my heart and be proud of 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:31.079 who I was as a player, and I feel like 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:33.199 that really reflected who I am in real life, which 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:33.880 is really nice. 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:36.400 So you know that made me out as the villain 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:38.440 at the end of the day, then then so be it. 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:40.920 And I mean, you know you can't. You can't please everyone, 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:41.600 You never can. 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:43.640 But yeah, I think I think it was quite kind 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:46.079 and I did like my story arc that was it was, 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:48.679 it was. It was a nice journey. I do need 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:51.760 to apologize to like anyone who was following from my 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:55.080 point of view, like and my poor mother who still 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:57.920 knew the outcome, but was just she was so emotional 0:11:57.920 --> 0:12:00.000 in the crime the whole way through, because this stress 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:03.720 levels for anyone supporting me, we're huge, like people biding 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:05.600 the now is going, oh my god, he's gone like, 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:07.400 how is he? Why did he do this? And how 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:08.880 is he getting out of this one? And I just 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:10.880 managed to work some magic and pull it off. So 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:13.760 pretty impressive that I managed to, like, ye, hang around 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:14.240 full of on. 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:17.079 I have no fingernails left, by the way, because I'm sorry. 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:18.439 I'm sorry, mate. 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:19.880 And I put that on Twitter. I said, you know, 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:22.440 don't miss tonight's episode, and you know, good luck with 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:25.199 your fingernails. What would you say was your most proudest 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:28.800 move in the competition versus your worst move in the competition? 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:29.080 Oh? 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:31.760 Look, worst move is an easy one, is obviously saying 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:34.320 talking about the second idol, with the information that I 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:35.760 had at the time, I would have done it again, 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:38.280 which is which is always hard. But you know, I 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:41.080 wouldn't have made any decisions differently based. 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:42.160 On what I had at the time. 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:45.920 Right, best move, I've got two talking away off the 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:48.560 bottom from that Benny. You know that Benny split vote, 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:50.920 like they missed an opportunity to send me home and 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:54.439 Shannon made a massive mistake there, Like that was huge 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:57.520 to be able to have enough social capital to keep 0:12:57.559 --> 0:13:00.360 myself alive and convince my enemies that I'm we're. 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:04.400 Hanging around to then return the favor, but putting. 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:06.920 The nail in Shannon's coffin and you know, setting that 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:10.439 up and having some balls and some faith in working 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:12.680 with new alliance members and then not playing my idol 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:15.280 at that Like that kind of social read is such 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:19.000 a huge, huge play and a huge confidence in yourself 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:22.160 to follow through with that and then to you know, 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:23.960 just speak up when the time was right and to 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:27.280 nail Shannon's coffin shut in the heat of the moment 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:29.320 like it did. Beat cool, calm and collected like that 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:32.080 was that was really nice And I didn't realize the 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:34.920 gravitas of that until I really watched it back when 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:37.600 I saw Shannon had the blinkers on for me, I'm like, wow, 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:39.920 I didn't realize how big that monkey on my back was, 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:43.199 like and what you said winning Survivors, I just need 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:47.160 to beat Simon, Like I was like, what, Like, yeah, 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:49.320 she was really gunning for me, so I would. 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:50.320 That was awesome. 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:52.480 What are your thoughts on having these two idols? 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:52.760 Now? 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:55.719 Come on, because like you got two idols, you're in 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:58.000 that tribal cancel play one. 0:13:58.200 --> 0:13:59.720 Look, it's a nice little memento. 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:04.560 It's it's definitely not half half a million dollars or more. 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:06.079 Importantly, the title of Soul Survivor. 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:08.040 To me, Hey, if you want to buy one, I'm 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:10.280 selling two hundred and fifty grand or five. 0:14:10.200 --> 0:14:10.960 Hundred k or two. 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:13.400 That's one way to get your money back. 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:15.920 Oh do you think you know? 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:17.959 There's a lot of conversation about this about whether or 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:20.120 not the producers this year have made the access to 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:22.400 the idols a little bit too easy. Do you think 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:24.680 it was easier to find the idols this year compared 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:25.320 to other years? 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:28.400 Probably a bit of a purist in this form of 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:31.000 the form of the game. Australian Survivor is definitely taking 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:33.840 on a very different style to what we've seen in say, 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:37.840 the US seasons, whereas there are more twists and turns 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:39.880 and being that longer game, especially you know, a couple 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:42.320 of like non a limb episodes and everything that there 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:45.560 are arguably things that happened that are unexpected, and we 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:48.640 did see so many idols in play this season it 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:49.240 was crazy. 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:50.800 Do I think they were easier to find? 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:54.120 Like? No, they're like that first one though, I found 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:56.640 that was out there for forty eight hours apparently, and 0:14:57.160 --> 0:14:58.320 everyone had walked past it. 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:00.000 And had a chance to grab it. 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:02.760 But idols come to those who look for them at 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:04.440 the end of the day, and it's always weird if. 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:06.000 You're on top and they're looking for a looking for 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:07.800 an idol, right, Like that's weird. 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:11.000 The volume is definitely something that's been taken into consideration, 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:13.120 or the number of idols, like there's been taken into 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:17.280 consideration for how, you know, to bring a casual audience. 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:20.400 Along to keep it interesting. And it really. 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:22.680 Marks with people's games when there are so many twists 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:24.960 and turns when you're just trying to count the numbers 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:26.800 as best you can. But I think it's something that 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:29.760 we're going to have to learn to love and live with. 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:32.440 In Australian Survivor. Yeah, I mean I'm sitting at home 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:34.880 on the couch being when Laura found it either like 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:37.160 the next day and I've got two and I'm like, 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:38.280 why is there another one? 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:40.479 Like this is too many? Like what's going on here? 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:41.440 From the trees? 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:43.760 But look, it does keep it interesting and it does 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:46.920 keep you keep the game fun. And look, I like 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:49.800 how they've I like the direction that the show is 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:53.640 going in where you know it's not straightforward, But I 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:56.640 mean it's fun. Like you look at the reaction after this, say, 0:15:56.720 --> 0:15:59.480 maybe Georgia and Rachel's vote, like you know, they were 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:02.040 the first two straightforward votes in this game. And you know, 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:05.280 some of the casual fans, casual watchers were like, you 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:07.120 know what not so jaw dropping kind of thing, like 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:08.120 you know, where is this? 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:10.160 Can you give us something? And I think the fans 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:11.479 had come to expect. 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:13.440 It, and that's going to create a new breed of 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:15.680 player where you have to be good enough to be 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:18.600 able to adapt it andjust around these things and not 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:19.280 be not. 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:22.760 End up as a casualty of you know, of the 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:23.480 of the twists. 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:27.040