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Speaker 1: This is a podcast about failure with me Lolaberry, author, nutritionist,

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Speaker 1: and yoga teacher, join me as we get to know

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Speaker 1: these guests and learn about how their failures have ultimately

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Speaker 1: shaped their dreams. Welcome to fearlessly Failing with Lolaberry. Hello,

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Speaker 1: it is Lolls coming to you from Byron Bay. Literally

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Speaker 1: sitting on the floor of what will soon hopefully be

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Speaker 1: our dining room. We've been eating our dinner on boxes,

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Speaker 1: full blown in move mode.

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Speaker 2: So if didn't.

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Speaker 1: Know this already, we have officially.

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Speaker 3: Moved to buy Bay.

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Speaker 2: Very very, very exciting.

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Speaker 1: But we're in that unpacking phase where I know when

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Speaker 1: we look back at this, we're going to be like, oh,

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Speaker 1: that was so.

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Speaker 2: Cute and sweet, But at the moment we're in it,

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Speaker 2: we're like, ah, where does the fridge drive? Anyway, I digress.

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Speaker 1: Today's guest actually has really inspired the way in which

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Speaker 1: we've chosen to move because we're living a little bit

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Speaker 1: more of a minimalistic lifestyle here in Byron Bay. I

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Speaker 1: had the incredible Anita Van Dyke on the podcast because

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Speaker 1: she's bringing out a brand new book. In fact, it's

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Speaker 1: just hit the shelves. It's called a Zero Waste Family

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Speaker 1: in thirty Days and it's such a good read.

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Speaker 2: It is so easy.

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Speaker 1: You've probably seen me talk about it on my Sustainable

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Speaker 1: Gift guide as well. She has got so many tips

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Speaker 1: for a zero waste living and they're all gentle. You

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Speaker 1: won't feel guilty about having not done something, and they're

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Speaker 1: really easy to implement.

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Speaker 2: Their little tip bits and great.

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Speaker 1: I love the way she talks about micro plastics and

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Speaker 1: how we can all do things to make a better

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Speaker 1: change and to look after our planet. So I hope

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Speaker 1: you enjoy this chat. She's a wealth of knowledge. She's

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Speaker 1: also an aerospace engineer and a doctor of course, such

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Speaker 1: a legend. Thank you so much, Anita, and good luck

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Speaker 1: with your new book.

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Speaker 2: I love it. Hello and welcome to the podcast. Anita

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Speaker 2: van Dyk. I'm so pumped to have you here.

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Speaker 1: I'm officially a fangirl after reading, After reading the newest book.

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Speaker 3: I'm a fangel of you. So I'm completely honored to

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Speaker 3: be on this podcast. So thank you so much for

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Speaker 3: having me.

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Speaker 2: So whoa mate? Honor is mine?

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Speaker 1: So for people listening, your new book, A Zero Waste

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Speaker 1: Family in thirty Days is officially out, but.

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Speaker 2: This is your second book. You have the book before.

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Speaker 1: Which is it's a zero waste Is it a zero

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Speaker 1: waste life in thirty days?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So the first book is a zero waste life,

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Speaker 3: and that book is about zero waste living day to day.

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Speaker 3: But then I had a kid, and so I thought

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Speaker 3: I had to expand this concept of zero waste living

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Speaker 3: for a family. So that's what the second book is about.

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Speaker 1: Awesome, And I will say, as someone that doesn't have

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Speaker 1: I took so much from it, even though I don't

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Speaker 1: to go back to before this kind of minimalist style

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Speaker 2: Could totally relate to you.

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I was that girl that would

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Speaker 2: And we all were it. Yeah, we all were.

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Speaker 3: I mean in our twenties. I'm sure we all experimented

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Speaker 3: with more is more is more? You know. I was

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Speaker 3: a complete maximalist in every sense of the word. And

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Speaker 1: And I love how you say you would turn to buying,

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Speaker 1: you know, the Gucci shoes. You know, if you've got

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Speaker 1: was this reward kind of pathway you or this kind

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I call it short dopamine hits.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's something that's so easy, right. They call

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Speaker 2: No, it adds, it adds.

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Speaker 3: Don't worry, it's always a leaf flower.

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Speaker 1: So I love what you're saying there because I think

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Speaker 1: we can all relate to that, especially in our twenties,

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Speaker 1: you know. And you're a very driven human being mate,

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Speaker 1: you're a rocket scientist by trade.

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Speaker 2: Are you like that?

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Speaker 3: Wye?

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Speaker 2: Can you tell me a bit about yeah, your past life?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely. So I grew up being a migrant, so

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Speaker 1: I love that you share that because so many ways

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Speaker 1: So up until four you lived in China with your grandmother.

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Speaker 3: The rule of threes is that a human can live

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Speaker 3: the things that matter the most. Fresh air, fresh water.

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Speaker 3: These privileges that we take for granted on our planet

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Speaker 2: And I think as well, it is so easy.

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Speaker 1: And that's one thing that I have really enjoyed about

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Speaker 1: reading In reading your book, it is so easy to

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Speaker 1: I think you called it a maximum and maximalist life,

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Speaker 1: this quite gentle approach to going let's not take things

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Speaker 2: About how we choose to live.

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Speaker 1: And you've now inspired me to try make avocado seed

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Speaker 1: Now, Okay, so you've got you've kind of hit that

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Speaker 2: Where did that come in?

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Speaker 3: So I'm a I'm a recovering overachiever, let's be honest,

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Speaker 3: And I call it a life sabbatical, and I think

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Speaker 3: or even if you're at the shops and you forget

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Speaker 3: your reusable bags, ask for a cardboard box instead. That's

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Speaker 3: another simple one. The third one is plastic coffee cups.

440
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Speaker 3: Now most people think that coffee cups can be recycled,

441
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Speaker 3: and they can't. They've got this plastic thin liner in them.

442
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Speaker 3: So an easy switch is to get yourself a reusable

443
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Speaker 3: coffee cup. And I have a great budget versus investment series.

444
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 3: You don't even need to buy yourself a fancy, you know,

445
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 3: keep cup or whatever. You can just use a glass jar,

446
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 3: wrap it with you know, a cloth napkin, and you're

447
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 3: good to go. I love it. It's so simple. And the

448
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 3: final thing is plastic straws. Now, there's a really nifty

449
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 3: device I like to call your mouth. So instead of

450
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Speaker 3: using a plastic straw, why don't we use this great

451
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Speaker 3: thing that mother Nature invented, which is your mouth. And okay,

452
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 3: some of us may need a plastic straw. So you know,

453
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Speaker 3: if you've got a disability, or a young kid, or

454
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Speaker 3: you just don't want to ruin your lipstick, why don't

455
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Speaker 3: you just bring a stainless steel straw with your one

456
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Speaker 3: right here?

457
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Speaker 2: Mate?

458
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Speaker 3: Perfect, so good. So these four simple switches you can

459
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Speaker 3: put in your zero waist kit and you can have

460
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Speaker 3: one for your whole family. Good to go, put it

461
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Speaker 3: in your backpack, switch in your handbag. Those can make

462
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Speaker 3: that can reduce your waist you know when you're out

463
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Speaker 3: and about by up to seventy percent already.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and such easy.

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Speaker 1: They're all things that I'm like. Tick easy, tick easy,

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Speaker 1: tick easy. Interesting fact about me, I used to own

467
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Speaker 1: a smoothie bar in Melbourne three years ago and was

468
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Speaker 1: right as the documentary dropped about how full on straws

469
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Speaker 1: were and we changed over immediately to it wasn't went

470
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Speaker 1: we initially had plastic. I'm going to be totally honestly,

471
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Speaker 1: but we switched straight away to a paper straw.

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Speaker 3: Oh perfect, And.

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Speaker 1: Because you're getting a big GREENSMOOTHI and I did read

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Speaker 1: at the start of your book you asked for a

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Speaker 1: green smoothie.

476
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Speaker 2: It came with a plastic straw.

477
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Speaker 1: And you were like, oh no, but people actually got

478
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Speaker 1: I was so surprised how consumers got completely behind it.

479
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Speaker 1: And we did a reusable option as well, so we

480
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Speaker 1: had a keep kind of like big keep smoothie cup.

481
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Speaker 1: And I was like, you can just keep bringing it

482
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Speaker 1: back in and we just feel your smoothie up.

483
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Speaker 2: People want it now, people are ready.

484
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Speaker 1: I don't feel like it's the hippie thing to do now,

485
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: this is real life. And one thing I freaking love

486
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: about you is your Insta makes all this really like

487
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: you'll do little flat lays of and this is what

488
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Speaker 1: I really want to talk to you about because I

489
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,400
Speaker 1: still love fashion and I love that you still love fashion.

490
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Speaker 1: Can you teach me your minimalist kind of like fashion hacks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I love fashion. Both of my parents worked

492
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 3: in the Australian fashion industry for twenty years, so fashion

493
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 3: is literally in my blood and I love looking good

494
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 3: and love feeling good, and I can say you can

495
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 3: still live an ecosic life by a few simple tips.

496
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Speaker 3: So firstly, consume less. So back in our mother's day

497
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 3: and also in our grandmother's day, there used to be

498
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 3: just four seasons in a year, you know, winter, summer, spring, autumn,

499
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Speaker 3: and then you would buy outfits according to those four seasons. However,

500
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 3: that's changed now if you look at fast fashion, there's

501
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 3: actually fifty two seasons in a year because every week

502
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 3: there's something new, there's a new trend. So what I

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00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 3: would like to say is consume less, look at what

504
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 3: you have. If you want to still be fashion more

505
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 3: in treny, do a wardrobe workout as my friend fe Delanti,

506
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 3: cause it and reuse and rejig up your wardrobe by

507
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 3: inspiring yourself by creating new outfits. Okay. My second tip

508
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 3: is then to shop secondhand. Now I am a huge thrifter.

509
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 3: I love op shopping. It's it's it's it's just such

510
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 3: a great thing to do because it's it saves resources

511
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 3: and it saves money and you can look good whilst

512
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 3: you know saving the planet. And the great thing is

513
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 3: it's not like the op shops of the past, where

514
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 3: it kind of smelt like your granny's old clothes. Op

515
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 3: shops now are great because there's so much turnover fashion

516
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 3: that you're finding things designer brands for next to nothing.

517
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 3: And so that's what I suggest to people. And finally,

518
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 3: the third thing is become your own stylist. So look

519
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 3: at get inspiration from Instagram, Pinterest, or whatever it may be.

520
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 3: Look at the styles that you really like, and most

521
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 3: of the things you find will probably be you know,

522
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 3: classic items such as trench coats or blazers which you

523
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 3: can jazz up with a fun t shirt or some

524
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 3: fun accessories which can find out the opshop. So invest

525
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 3: in the classic pieces, you know, buy from brands secondhand

526
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 3: or ethical brands that align with your values. Invest in

527
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 3: those classic pieces and then mix it up with accessories

528
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 3: and whatnot that you can find secondhand.

529
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Speaker 1: And I actually already do one of the rules that

530
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Speaker 1: you are very very pro and if I ever get to, say,

531
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Speaker 1: a new yoga outfit or a new piece, I have

532
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: to My rule is I have to give some away

533
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Speaker 1: that's already in my wardrobe.

534
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Speaker 2: Is that you're really pro that, aren't you.

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00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I like to call it one in and

536
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 3: one out rule. So if you are buying something new,

537
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 3: why don't you have to You got to think where

538
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 3: am I going to put it, first of all, and secondly,

539
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 3: what do I need to get rid of so that

540
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 3: I can introduce something new into my wardrobe. If you

541
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 3: put that rule in your in the back of your mind,

542
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 3: whenever you're buying something, nine times out of the ten,

543
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 3: you probably won't end up buying the thing that you

544
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 3: want to buy, because it's just you know, it's it's

545
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 3: just thinking more mindfully about how you consume. And a

546
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 3: great way another way to do it is you can

547
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 3: do a capsule wardrobe. So for each season of the year,

548
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Speaker 3: you can say I'm going to do thirty pieces and

549
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 3: I'm going to have a capsule wardrobe. You can do

550
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 3: it that way, or like, I don't have a capsule wardrobe,

551
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 3: but I just like to to do the one in,

552
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 3: one out rule so that I know that I'm not

553
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 3: over consuming.

554
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Speaker 2: I love it.

555
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: I love that you can still be fashionable and on

556
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: a kind of like a minimalistic inspired life, which I love.

557
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 3: I think it's just about being more mindful and knowing

558
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 3: that whoever makes your garment. And I know this because

559
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 3: my parents were in the fashion industry. It's called the

560
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 3: rag trade for a reason that there is a human

561
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 3: being at the end of this labor chain making these clothing.

562
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 3: We want them to have a living income that is

563
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 3: not born of blood, sweat and tears. So when you're

564
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 3: consuming and buying from fast fashion, you don't know how

565
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 3: the conditions of this person who made the clothes are,

566
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 3: so you need to just think about is this ten

567
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 3: dollar T shirt actually worth the blood, sweat and tears

568
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 3: of another human being out there in the world.

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Speaker 1: I love that you've mentioned fast fashion kind of versus

570
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Speaker 1: slow fashion, and the cool thing is so much sustainable,

571
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: eco friendly slow fashion now exists, which is so inspiring

572
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: to see that that is now readily attainable.

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00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 2: And these people that are.

574
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: Doing this they just like what you said, they care

575
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: about the earth and the environment.

576
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 2: Now footprint, I love hearing that.

577
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: There's a wonderful I'm going to email this to you

578
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: after but also put it in the show notes.

579
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Speaker 2: It's a radioheaded video clip called.

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Speaker 1: All I Need and it's split between two boys of

581
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: the exact same age, and one boy is doing about six,

582
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,959
Speaker 1: six or seven years old, and one boys of being

583
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Speaker 1: in a western world where he's putting his school shoes on,

584
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Speaker 1: and it's split screen with the boy in the sweatshop

585
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:32,959
Speaker 1: making the shoes.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I can't wait to see that.

587
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, just because I'm a very visual person. It really

588
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Speaker 1: shows the difference between that the fast fashion that you've

589
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: just kind of touched on, and it does still exist unfortunately,

590
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: and it's massive. So remember I always always say people,

591
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: you do have voting power with your dollar. So choosing

592
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: to support companies that give a crap about this planet

593
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: is so powerful.

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00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. And one of the things is vote with your dollar.

595
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 3: How are we to live in a democratic society that

596
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 3: we can vote with our dollar and we can contribute

597
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 3: towards a better planet by how we consume. So I

598
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 3: think this is just a reflection that everyone is getting

599
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 3: more engaged. We want to give a shit, most of

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00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 3: us do, seriously.

601
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 2: And it feels good.

602
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does. And I think that you know, there's

603
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 3: been a really twenty twenty was a real hard year

604
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 3: where it really made us reflect on what matters most,

605
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 3: And what matters most is you know, the love of

606
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 3: our family, the health of our family and friends, and

607
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 3: also the health of our planet. We can't forget that

608
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 3: out of all those things there. The planet doesn't have

609
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 3: a voice. She doesn't she can't tell us when something's

610
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 3: going wrong. She's trying to tell us through climate change

611
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 3: and whether it patterns and all that, but we're not listening.

612
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 3: So now it's time to listen and actually pay attention

613
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 3: and give her a voice.

614
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 2: One hundred percent.

615
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: Now, this is gonna sound like a weird question, but

616
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Speaker 1: I know you're gonna have a wonderful answer for me.

617
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: It's coming up to Christmas. This is a time where

618
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: we often consume a lot. We're buying gifts where you know,

619
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: like even just walking down the supermarket the other day,

620
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: like there's so much like throwaway Christmas stuff that you're

621
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: just like, oh my, oh my, and it's shiny and

622
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: it's bright, and psychologically I'm like, oh pretty shiny, And

623
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: you know, don't have to kind of walk myself away

624
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: and be like laola, this is not going to serve you.

625
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: This is very I call like, I'm a nutritionist and

626
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: so I'll be like, you know, if you fuel your

627
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: body with junk, you're going to feel like junk. I

628
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: feel like psychologically you feel the same when you're buying

629
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: stuff that is throwaway. You know it's got one use

630
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: Christmas gift ideas the DIY. I think the best thing ever.

631
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: I had a guest on the podcast just this week

632
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Speaker 1: in real life, which I wish ours was, but I

633
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: made him a good and free route mince pies.

634
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 3: Oh it sounds so good.

635
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 2: It was so much.

636
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: Fun because it was a healthier version, you know. And

637
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: I just what would you recommend if people want to

638
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 1: gift something at Christmas? It's really meaningful, but it really

639
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 1: looks after the planet at the same time.

640
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 3: Well, I think the first tip there is to gift

641
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 3: and experience. Like you said, you know, the time that

642
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 3: you spent making that beautiful pie and the engagement that

643
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 3: you had with him afterwards, sitting down and chatting. That

644
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 3: is what we all really want. Hasn't Twenty twenty showed

645
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 3: us that none of the stuff that we can click

646
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 3: and buy online actually mean anything if we could just

647
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 3: spend an hour with our loved ones face to face,

648
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 3: giving them a cuddle. So I would say the first

649
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,240
Speaker 3: thing is if you really want to give something gift

650
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 3: and experience, and it doesn't have to be anything big,

651
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 3: it could be a voucher, So a DIY voucher and saying, oh,

652
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 3: I want to I'm going to make you dinner on

653
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 3: this date at this time, and this is the voucher

654
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 3: will be a three course meal, and you know, it's

655
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Speaker 3: a sit down kind of thing with your friend. So

656
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Speaker 3: give an experience voucher. Another voucher you can give is

657
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 3: maybe you know, another experience, so you can say, I'm

658
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 3: going to take us to the theater, or I'm going

659
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 3: to take us to a museum, or I'm going to

660
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 3: give you a annual membership for your family to the

661
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 3: zoo or something like that that is actually really meaningful

662
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 3: and every time they do it or go there, they're

663
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 3: going to think of you memory.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I love the one that I love that

665
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Speaker 1: you said, like if you because again I said, I

666
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Speaker 1: don't have kiddies, but I could easily make a vouch

667
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Speaker 1: and be like, oh, babysit exactly, our babysit for two hours,

668
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Speaker 1: and you will be.

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Speaker 3: The most popular friend amongst all. Like you know, seriously,

670
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Speaker 3: if I want another you know, twenty dollars plastic junkie toy,

671
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 3: or do I want two hours of babysitting, of course

672
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Speaker 3: I'm going to want two hours of the yeah, you know,

673
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 3: and that's so easy to do for you because you're

674
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Speaker 3: spending time with people that you love as well, so

675
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 3: it's actually a give take. So that's the first thing

676
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 3: I would suggest, making kind of a diy voucher or

677
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 3: gifting experience. The second thing I would suggest is making

678
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Speaker 3: something from your from what you already have, or making

679
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:20,399
Speaker 3: something yourself. So there's a chapter in my book called

680
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 3: I called the thousand Hour the ten thousand Hours. So

681
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 3: in any kind of mastery, it takes ten thousand hours

682
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 3: to master a craft. But in our kind of throwaway

683
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Speaker 3: cultural world, we just kind of want to, you know,

684
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 3: paint a little here, or maybe roll a blade the

685
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 3: next week, and then maybe do hockey and then maybe

686
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 3: do yoga. Like we have so much choice that we're overwhelmed.

687
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Speaker 3: So what I suggest is master a craft, whether it

688
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 3: be knitting, sewing, painting, doing something special, and then gifting that, okay,

689
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 3: And I think that's you know, a friend of mine

690
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 3: gifted me a watercolor that she did of the moon,

691
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Speaker 3: and I had it framed and put in my baby's

692
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 3: nursery when she was born, Like it was so beautiful.

693
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 3: Things like that are priceless. So that's what I would

694
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 3: say make something yourself would be the second tip. And thirdly,

695
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 3: all you can get something secondhand, like go down to

696
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:22,240
Speaker 3: your local markets or your local thrift store and find

697
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 3: a beautiful vase or a beautiful brooch or a beautiful scarf.

698
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,240
Speaker 3: Wrap your presence in a beautiful scarf or an elegant

699
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,720
Speaker 3: tea towel or cloth napkin and put a little brooch

700
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 3: on it. That could be your wrapping paper. You know,

701
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 3: you don't need to buy a disposable wrapping paper that

702
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 3: they'll rip apart and spend thirty seconds on. When you

703
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 3: can give something that can be reused. Or you can

704
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 3: get a lovely crystal kind of you know, platter or

705
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,479
Speaker 3: something and put some fruit in it and that could

706
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 3: be a beautiful gift. You can get a straw basket

707
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 3: and make yourself some jams and give that as a gift.

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Speaker 3: The choices are endlessly.

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Speaker 1: What about like and I've seen you do recipite, but

710
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: like bodies, you could make like a body scrub and

711
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 1: give that to your girlfriends, you.

712
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Speaker 3: Know, And this and this month I'm doing DIY December,

713
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 3: doing all those tips like you say, so, you know,

714
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 3: bath scrubs, body scrubs, body oils, face cleansers. There's so

715
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 3: many DIY projects that you can do at home, and

716
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 3: you can give those as well.

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Speaker 2: I love it. Another thing I really really love about

718
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Speaker 2: you is that you clearly have a hunger to keep

719
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Speaker 2: learning and growing.

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Speaker 1: And the way you say you read daily over lockdown,

721
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Speaker 1: because I'm in Victoria, we had a very long lockdown.

722
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Speaker 1: My I'm studying full time as well at the moment,

723
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Speaker 1: and so at acting school. So I would read a

724
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Speaker 1: play a week and a book a week. And that

725
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Speaker 1: sounds like I must have just been sitting at home reading,

726
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Speaker 1: But I will you get your brain gets fit or

727
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Speaker 1: something happens, and it just this there's I think the

728
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Speaker 1: best gift that we can give ourselves is to learn

729
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Speaker 1: and expand. And the way you were talking about the

730
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Speaker 1: mastery you know and the I don't know. I just

731
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Speaker 1: think if you can keep reading, keep learning, keep growing,

732
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Speaker 1: and like reading your book, I was like, Oh, now

733
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Speaker 1: I want to read more about this. I want to

734
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 1: learn more about minimalism. I want to I think if

735
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: I can tell anyone listening to this and all all

736
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Speaker 1: of my drama tigues say, is they're like, read if

737
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Speaker 1: you want to have a superpower, read and I feel

738
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Speaker 1: like you have that hunger too, am I right?

739
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Speaker 3: Oh, it started from a young age because so both

740
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 3: my parents they couldn't afford much for me as a kid,

741
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 3: so I didn't have a lot of presents, but the

742
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Speaker 3: one thing that they could do was take me to

743
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Speaker 3: the library because that was free. So every week I

744
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,720
Speaker 3: would borrow, you know, as many books as my library

745
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 3: card would allow, and I would read and consume. And

746
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,280
Speaker 3: I still do this as an adult because giving yourself

747
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 3: knowledge is actually the ultimate superpower, like you say, and

748
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 3: it's also free. We live in the information age. You

749
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 3: don't need a Harvard business degree know how to do

750
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 3: a business case. You can look that up online. You

751
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 3: don't need to have, you know, a diploma in you

752
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 3: know xyz to be able to learn about the subject.

753
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 3: So what I suggest is as part of your self

754
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 3: care routine is to spend a little bit of time

755
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 3: to read. And it could be five minutes at first

756
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Speaker 3: if you're a non reader and you don't like reading,

757
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 3: or it could be an hour and I read up

758
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 3: to an hour or even two hours in the evening

759
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Speaker 3: instead of watching TV. So one of the things that

760
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 3: we think always say is like, oh, we don't have

761
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Speaker 3: the time. We don't have the time. But I want

762
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 3: you to look at your screen hours on your phone

763
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 3: and see how much time you spend on your screen.

764
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Speaker 3: On average, an Australian spends at least three to six

765
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Speaker 3: hours watching some sort of screen every single day.

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Speaker 2: Three to six hour. Yeah, I know I'm that higher end.

767
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 3: Too, and I'm sure you are because you know you

768
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 3: do it for your work, Okay, but think of all

769
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 3: the other times you're just scrolling more endlessly. So then

770
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 3: put those hours towards actually nourishing yourself with something like

771
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 3: reading or learning, or doing or creating. I love that

772
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 3: concept of create, not just consume, because when you're consuming mindlessly,

773
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Speaker 3: whether it be you know, reality TV shows or you know,

774
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 3: cat videos on YouTube, you're not creating. Creating and creating

775
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 3: is actually so much more nourishing and so much more

776
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 3: exciting than passively consuming.

777
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Speaker 2: Big time.

778
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Speaker 1: You've just maybe as you're talking, I feel I'm playing

779
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: with my hands.

780
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Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, that's me. I've watched the cat videos.

781
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 3: You are. All I'm saying is don't spend your life

782
00:41:58,640 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 3: watching the cat videos.

783
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Speaker 1: And this this is what I love as well. And

784
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Speaker 1: was it when you had your daughter as Vivian. Right, Yes,

785
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 1: when you had Vivian, I read that you kind of

786
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: felt fear out of like wanting to protect and you know, nurture.

787
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: But I've even noticed throughout all of the COVID stuff,

788
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Speaker 1: I've really felt like, oh, wow, we're not immortal, Like

789
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 1: we're mortal beings and life feels pretty short, you know,

790
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: and obviously don't know how long you've got. And I

791
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: think that when you have that realization, as uncomfortable as

792
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: it is to know that we're not immortal, it also

793
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: makes you go, well, holy mackerel, I'm going to do

794
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: what I love.

795
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 2: I'm going to make a conscious.

796
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: Choice to be the best human being that I can be,

797
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 1: to look after mother nature.

798
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Speaker 2: Did you find that motherhood.

799
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Speaker 1: Brought that on for you as well, or would you

800
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Speaker 1: say that's just been part of having this more conscious lifestyle.

801
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 3: I think it was a bit of both. But what

802
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 3: motherhood really made me realize was that your child is

803
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:07,959
Speaker 3: a mirror of you, and it was a harsh reality check.

804
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 3: Whatever you're doing, you are a role model, whether you

805
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 3: like it or not now to another individual. So in

806
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 3: that kind of reflection, you have to think, what values

807
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 3: am I emulating towards my younger child. What values am

808
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 3: I emulating out into the world. Who do I want

809
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,439
Speaker 3: to be in this world? You know? It's all these

810
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 3: hard questions that we have to ask ourselves. And it

811
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 3: doesn't matter if you have a child or not. It's

812
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 3: coming to terms that, Like you say, we have a

813
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 3: finite time on this planet, in this human body, and

814
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 3: what do you want to do with it? Do you

815
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 3: want to watch cat videos or you know, keeping up

816
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 3: with the Kardashians endlessly? Or do you want to do

817
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 3: something meaningful? Do you want to write the next manuscript?

818
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 3: Do you want to write you know songs? Do you

819
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 3: want to create the next masterpiece of a book, whatever

820
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 3: you want to do in terms of your legacy. It

821
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 3: can be grand or it can be really humble and small.

822
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter. What matters most is actually striving towards

823
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 3: it and putting time aside to do it. And you

824
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 3: can't do that when your attention is contained and distracted

825
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 3: by things that don't matter, the endless scroll, the you know,

826
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Speaker 3: the sound bites, the you know, the empty kind of

827
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 3: news vacuum that we sometimes fall into. We need to

828
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 3: be mindful of where our tension goes because that is

829
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:35,240
Speaker 3: actually the newest kind of luxury, getting back out attention

830
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 3: from things that constantly want to strive to pull away

831
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Speaker 3: from it big time.

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Speaker 1: And that's why I'm so pro nature, because it's the

833
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: quickest way that I can go fresh air, look at

834
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Speaker 1: the beach, put my feet in the water.

835
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Speaker 2: We're very lucky.

836
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Speaker 1: We live on the surf coast of Victoria, so we're

837
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Speaker 1: very close to the beach, and I'm just like, let's

838
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: just sunset boom, We're down at the beach, feet in

839
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Speaker 1: the ocean, feet in the ocean, and it just resets you.

840
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 2: And I think if you can find those little things.

841
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: Whether it be meditation, whether it be yogs, whether it

842
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: be a nourishing meal, those things that reset you get

843
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: you clear, so that, like like you said, you can

844
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: do whatever matters to you. And most human beings want

845
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,399
Speaker 1: to help and want to feel connected, like we said

846
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: at the start of this, which.

847
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Speaker 2: You're doing tenfold, my friend.

848
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Speaker 3: Oh thank you.

849
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Speaker 1: Anybody wants to get their hands on your wonderful book,

850
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: it is officially available. I think it is a beautiful

851
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: Chrissy present. And I love the size of it too,

852
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: because you can take it to the shop, if you're,

853
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: if you're if you're like, okay, okay, I'm going to

854
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: make you've got a little DIY kind of cleaning section.

855
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 2: You know, you can have your little list with you.

856
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 2: I love it.

857
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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much. And I really wanted to

858
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Speaker 3: create a small, tangible book which is a great stocking

859
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 3: stuffer for everyone and a great gift, like you say.

860
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 3: But I didn't want it to be overwhelming, you know.

861
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 3: I want it's not ability to be sexy. I want

862
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 3: it to be eco lux. I want it to be

863
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 3: simple because I am, like you said, rocket scientist, a mother,

864
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 3: a doctor to be, I'm an author, like I've got stuff.

865
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Speaker 1: Going on or do I don't know? Can I ask

866
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Speaker 1: what type of doctor you're going to be?

867
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Speaker 3: So I'm going in as a junior doctor at the moment,

868
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 3: but I don't want to go into general practice at

869
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Speaker 3: the moment.

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Speaker 1: Awesome because then you can touch so many souls.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, And I think a good general practitioner is

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Speaker 3: worth their weight in gold. And I think you know

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Speaker 3: a lot of I want to, you know, be able

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Speaker 3: to be of service to my patients.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I love it.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, as I was reading about you and I

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Speaker 1: work you on my manuscript. At the moment, I was like, okay, lol,

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Speaker 1: like you can do this. Because I'm studying full time.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, this workload feels really heavy. But then

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Speaker 1: reading about you, I was like, okay, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: I think you're fine because I don't know how you

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Speaker 1: did it, honestly.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's I go back into this

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Speaker 3: quote in my book, A Zero Waste Life is about

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Speaker 3: not wasting your time, yes, not wasting your life. And

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Speaker 3: I think this whole book is not just about reducing

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Speaker 3: your plastic waste, which it is, but it's also about

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Speaker 3: taking back control of your time and how you can

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Speaker 3: use it towards things that matter, like studying, doing your

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Speaker 3: manuscript and not you know, scrolling and cat videos.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and I love love that, and I love that

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Speaker 2: A zero.

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Speaker 1: Waste Life isn't it's not just the practical things, They're

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Speaker 1: very important, but it is that like.

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Speaker 2: Well, who do you want to be? What do you

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Speaker 2: want to do? What matters to your heart? You know,

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Speaker 2: like who do you want to hang out with?

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Speaker 1: Like we've all got to, you know, be courageous enough

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Speaker 1: to know that within us.

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Speaker 2: So thank you. You've inspired me so so.

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Speaker 1: Much The book is out now in all good bookstores and.

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Speaker 2: Mate, I cannot wait.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to be clicking onto your DII December tips

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Speaker 1: and watching and you've got a new fan in me,

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Speaker 1: so thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. It's been really fun.

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Speaker 1: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always,

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Speaker 1: thank you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation

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Speaker 1: on Instagram.

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Speaker 2: I'm at Yamo Lollaberry.

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