1 00:00:04,071 --> 00:00:06,551 Speaker 1: Black Cast, Unite our voices. 2 00:00:07,271 --> 00:00:11,071 Speaker 2: Black Magic Women Podcast acknowledges the traditional owners of the 3 00:00:11,151 --> 00:00:14,791 Speaker 2: land we have recorded this episode on. We also acknowledge 4 00:00:14,791 --> 00:00:17,831 Speaker 2: traditional owners of the land where you, the listener of 5 00:00:17,991 --> 00:00:19,391 Speaker 2: youer are tuning in from. 6 00:00:19,711 --> 00:00:21,511 Speaker 1: We would like to pay our respects. 7 00:00:21,111 --> 00:00:24,071 Speaker 2: To our elders past and present and acknowledged that this 8 00:00:24,191 --> 00:00:28,191 Speaker 2: always was Aboriginal land and always will be Aboriginal land. 9 00:00:29,031 --> 00:00:31,951 Speaker 3: We've got so much diversity, as you said, that's so 10 00:00:32,191 --> 00:00:33,791 Speaker 3: not seen in mainstream media. 11 00:00:33,951 --> 00:00:35,991 Speaker 4: It's like an untapped gold mine. 12 00:00:35,831 --> 00:00:39,191 Speaker 3: And people are just sitting on it and then it's like, Okay, well, 13 00:00:39,391 --> 00:00:42,351 Speaker 3: how can we connect, how can we come as one? 14 00:00:42,591 --> 00:00:45,191 Speaker 4: You know? And I think podcasting's a perfect plug for that. 15 00:00:47,271 --> 00:00:54,351 Speaker 3: Welcome to the Black Magic Woman Podcast with Mandanara Bales. 16 00:00:55,951 --> 00:00:59,391 Speaker 2: Welcome to another episode of the Black Magic Woman Podcast. 17 00:00:59,991 --> 00:01:03,591 Speaker 2: I am here on the Cooler Nations, which is well 18 00:01:03,711 --> 00:01:07,351 Speaker 2: actually South Yarra, a place that I don't often get 19 00:01:07,671 --> 00:01:11,671 Speaker 2: to venture out to, and I'm actually here with one 20 00:01:11,791 --> 00:01:15,831 Speaker 2: part or one half of it's layered. So we've got 21 00:01:15,871 --> 00:01:19,031 Speaker 2: Amanda here joining me on the couch, and it's been 22 00:01:19,711 --> 00:01:23,111 Speaker 2: literally something that I've always wanted to do is actually 23 00:01:23,831 --> 00:01:29,351 Speaker 2: yarn with other podcasters that are on the black Cast network. So, 24 00:01:29,951 --> 00:01:33,991 Speaker 2: without further ado, do you mind introducing yourself and just 25 00:01:34,031 --> 00:01:36,551 Speaker 2: share a little bit about yourself to our listeners and 26 00:01:36,591 --> 00:01:41,751 Speaker 2: our viewers on YouTube. Your name, a little bit about 27 00:01:41,911 --> 00:01:44,551 Speaker 2: where you grew up. And I always say things that 28 00:01:44,591 --> 00:01:49,071 Speaker 2: you cannot google, what what we won't find on the internet. 29 00:01:49,231 --> 00:01:51,351 Speaker 3: That's a good one, you know, especially as a podcaster, 30 00:01:51,431 --> 00:01:53,391 Speaker 3: because you think, what do you mean? Everyone knows me now, 31 00:01:53,471 --> 00:01:55,991 Speaker 3: but there's always something, isn't there There is? Well, my 32 00:01:56,071 --> 00:01:59,311 Speaker 3: name's Amanda. I like to say I'm the worst half 33 00:01:59,511 --> 00:02:03,311 Speaker 3: of slird Roomy. We missed you here, We wish you 34 00:02:03,351 --> 00:02:08,431 Speaker 3: were here with us. Originally from Zimbabwe, moved over when 35 00:02:08,431 --> 00:02:11,551 Speaker 3: I started university to Australia and it was one of 36 00:02:11,551 --> 00:02:14,671 Speaker 3: those things where it was like as a British colony, 37 00:02:14,711 --> 00:02:17,191 Speaker 3: which is what Zimbabwe is. It was like either go 38 00:02:17,991 --> 00:02:23,071 Speaker 3: to the UK, America or Australia. And I was like, hey, 39 00:02:23,071 --> 00:02:25,271 Speaker 3: where is the furthest I can go that No one 40 00:02:25,311 --> 00:02:27,511 Speaker 3: would come and visit me from my big family. I'm 41 00:02:27,751 --> 00:02:32,271 Speaker 3: trying to run away from every car. So I in 42 00:02:32,351 --> 00:02:35,071 Speaker 3: my own family, like we don't even have to use 43 00:02:35,111 --> 00:02:39,511 Speaker 3: the word cousin, has to do like it's like you're what, 44 00:02:39,831 --> 00:02:42,871 Speaker 3: that's your brother, that's your sister. And I think also 45 00:02:42,951 --> 00:02:46,591 Speaker 3: growing up, we had a lot of people like coming 46 00:02:46,631 --> 00:02:48,551 Speaker 3: to live with us, like if they had a situation 47 00:02:48,671 --> 00:02:51,071 Speaker 3: going on with their own family. My dad was like, 48 00:02:51,151 --> 00:02:52,591 Speaker 3: now they can come and live with us for a 49 00:02:52,591 --> 00:02:56,871 Speaker 3: little bit and then a little bit just wants to 50 00:02:56,871 --> 00:02:58,751 Speaker 3: do while in school because my dad was just so 51 00:02:58,831 --> 00:03:00,271 Speaker 3: privileged that he wasn't a good job. 52 00:03:00,311 --> 00:03:02,311 Speaker 4: So you was just like, I'll wear it for everyone. 53 00:03:02,551 --> 00:03:04,551 Speaker 3: Just so I just grew up with all Like even 54 00:03:04,671 --> 00:03:07,791 Speaker 3: remember Roomby She's like, oh, Amanda, you've got two brothers. Wait, no, 55 00:03:07,871 --> 00:03:10,351 Speaker 3: You've got like she's always getting confused because I'm like, oh, 56 00:03:10,391 --> 00:03:12,231 Speaker 3: even I don't count their. 57 00:03:12,111 --> 00:03:17,591 Speaker 2: Most cousin yeah and multiple multiple my friend yeah. 58 00:03:18,911 --> 00:03:22,071 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I thought where can I go and no 59 00:03:22,071 --> 00:03:24,471 Speaker 3: one would find me? In Australia was where it was 60 00:03:24,911 --> 00:03:27,831 Speaker 3: started on Perth and then moved over to Malbourne in 61 00:03:27,991 --> 00:03:31,271 Speaker 3: twenty seventeen and now here I am. 62 00:03:31,751 --> 00:03:34,231 Speaker 2: And I was gonna say, did you move when you 63 00:03:34,271 --> 00:03:35,991 Speaker 2: were in Perth? Did you meet anyone there? 64 00:03:36,391 --> 00:03:38,551 Speaker 4: So in Perth, yes, me and my husband they did, 65 00:03:39,031 --> 00:03:40,191 Speaker 4: yeah yeah. 66 00:03:41,911 --> 00:03:44,711 Speaker 3: There tried to convince him to move to Melbourne. He's like, 67 00:03:44,791 --> 00:03:49,151 Speaker 3: the weather are so bad and the beaches, and I. 68 00:03:49,031 --> 00:03:50,671 Speaker 4: Was like, but I got a good job. We need 69 00:03:50,711 --> 00:03:51,151 Speaker 4: to go. 70 00:03:51,151 --> 00:03:53,631 Speaker 3: And I want to do more to do with styling 71 00:03:53,711 --> 00:03:55,311 Speaker 3: and be around the creatives. 72 00:03:55,471 --> 00:03:58,031 Speaker 4: And Melbourne is where it sh just where it's at. 73 00:03:58,191 --> 00:03:59,991 Speaker 3: Yeah, It's one of those cities you visit and you 74 00:04:00,071 --> 00:04:01,871 Speaker 3: just think, I want to come back, And then I 75 00:04:01,911 --> 00:04:05,511 Speaker 3: just thought, let's just move. So then started doing podcasting 76 00:04:05,671 --> 00:04:08,631 Speaker 3: from that because you know, the Black Lives Matter movement 77 00:04:08,711 --> 00:04:11,031 Speaker 3: happened actually when we're in Melbourne. And then I was like, 78 00:04:11,431 --> 00:04:13,391 Speaker 3: how else can I plug. 79 00:04:13,111 --> 00:04:14,151 Speaker 4: In into this? 80 00:04:14,391 --> 00:04:16,271 Speaker 3: Like, you know, we talk about a lot of the 81 00:04:16,311 --> 00:04:18,711 Speaker 3: excuses we kept hearing was oh, we never knew about this, 82 00:04:18,791 --> 00:04:21,511 Speaker 3: We never knew people felt this way, you know, privilege 83 00:04:21,551 --> 00:04:23,071 Speaker 3: and all this stuff. And then I was like, you 84 00:04:23,111 --> 00:04:27,271 Speaker 3: know what, in a podcast format is the best way? Yeah, 85 00:04:27,271 --> 00:04:30,471 Speaker 3: because you can take accessible, it's accessible, you can take 86 00:04:30,511 --> 00:04:33,471 Speaker 3: it in little tidbits, you can rewind, you can the 87 00:04:33,511 --> 00:04:37,151 Speaker 3: information's there if you wanted, which is also why black 88 00:04:37,191 --> 00:04:40,191 Speaker 3: Cast Network also tied in well with us, because we're like, 89 00:04:40,831 --> 00:04:45,751 Speaker 3: these are like minded people who know the power of being. 90 00:04:45,671 --> 00:04:46,831 Speaker 4: A diverse voice. 91 00:04:47,071 --> 00:04:50,431 Speaker 3: Yeah, and just yeah, so that's literally how we are 92 00:04:50,471 --> 00:04:51,351 Speaker 3: where we are today. 93 00:04:51,991 --> 00:04:56,511 Speaker 1: And I literally ran into you as the only visible. 94 00:04:56,111 --> 00:04:58,551 Speaker 2: Black There could have been other black people there, but 95 00:04:58,951 --> 00:05:06,111 Speaker 2: visibly black faces. At the Australian Cast Awards in Sydney last. 96 00:05:05,951 --> 00:05:09,111 Speaker 1: Year did a year ago? That was last year? 97 00:05:09,111 --> 00:05:10,511 Speaker 4: That was last year. Stop? 98 00:05:10,711 --> 00:05:14,471 Speaker 2: Okay, So last year at the Sofater Hotel, I seen 99 00:05:14,591 --> 00:05:18,391 Speaker 2: up on the screen the finalist and then I seen 100 00:05:18,471 --> 00:05:21,631 Speaker 2: it's laid and I saw two black people and I'm like, wow, 101 00:05:21,711 --> 00:05:27,071 Speaker 2: there's a there's another black podcast that's a finalist, right, yeah, yeah, 102 00:05:27,311 --> 00:05:28,951 Speaker 2: it was Were. 103 00:05:28,871 --> 00:05:34,871 Speaker 3: Fighted With alongside Private Affairs is another podcast Zimbabwean produced, 104 00:05:34,951 --> 00:05:38,391 Speaker 3: produced here in Melbourne. And we were like, okay, we're 105 00:05:38,431 --> 00:05:40,751 Speaker 3: gonna go together. I just see what this is going 106 00:05:40,831 --> 00:05:41,031 Speaker 3: to be. 107 00:05:41,151 --> 00:05:41,231 Speaker 4: Like. 108 00:05:41,311 --> 00:05:43,511 Speaker 3: I've never been to these awards and I'm one of 109 00:05:43,551 --> 00:05:45,591 Speaker 3: those people is like, nah, this is not my thing. 110 00:05:45,671 --> 00:05:46,271 Speaker 4: Networking. 111 00:05:46,831 --> 00:05:50,231 Speaker 3: Yeah, But then when we were there, I was like, wow, 112 00:05:50,351 --> 00:05:54,271 Speaker 3: this is much bigger than I thought, and how underrepresented 113 00:05:54,351 --> 00:05:55,551 Speaker 3: are we in this room? 114 00:05:56,391 --> 00:06:00,311 Speaker 4: So when I saw you, I was like, where we were. 115 00:06:00,191 --> 00:06:07,151 Speaker 3: At life right, conversation, quick swapping of contact and here 116 00:06:07,191 --> 00:06:07,751 Speaker 3: we are now. 117 00:06:07,791 --> 00:06:09,671 Speaker 4: Can you believe it? 118 00:06:09,671 --> 00:06:13,951 Speaker 2: It's like the universe right, you always said things. It's 119 00:06:13,951 --> 00:06:16,551 Speaker 2: not always a coincidence, like it was meant to happen 120 00:06:18,111 --> 00:06:21,671 Speaker 2: in we're in podcasting and in Australia. 121 00:06:21,831 --> 00:06:22,511 Speaker 4: For people that. 122 00:06:22,471 --> 00:06:25,391 Speaker 2: Are not in Australia, not based here, have no idea 123 00:06:25,471 --> 00:06:31,071 Speaker 2: really about the landscape here. There are three hundred different 124 00:06:31,151 --> 00:06:34,551 Speaker 2: nationalities that live in this country and call this place home. 125 00:06:35,271 --> 00:06:37,591 Speaker 2: And yet when you look at podcasting across all the 126 00:06:37,671 --> 00:06:42,071 Speaker 2: different big networks, it's very white. 127 00:06:42,151 --> 00:06:43,391 Speaker 1: And there might be one Asian. 128 00:06:43,751 --> 00:06:45,671 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think I had, and. 129 00:06:45,711 --> 00:06:47,791 Speaker 3: I think a lot of them piggyback off being in 130 00:06:47,791 --> 00:06:50,671 Speaker 3: a reality yes, sure, yeah. 131 00:06:50,471 --> 00:06:51,591 Speaker 1: They usually have a profile. 132 00:06:52,271 --> 00:06:55,071 Speaker 4: This is like you're some sort of influenza reality show. 133 00:06:55,151 --> 00:06:59,671 Speaker 2: Then you take podcast podcasting, Yes, it's just another revenue 134 00:06:59,671 --> 00:07:03,111 Speaker 2: stream for most peoplexactly, whereas for us it's like, okay, 135 00:07:03,151 --> 00:07:06,351 Speaker 2: we want to your stories. Yeah, such a different aspect, 136 00:07:06,431 --> 00:07:06,751 Speaker 2: doesn't it. 137 00:07:06,911 --> 00:07:10,391 Speaker 1: Yeah, in terms of our motivation, what drives us? 138 00:07:10,631 --> 00:07:14,951 Speaker 2: What has driven us to put so much of ourselves 139 00:07:15,031 --> 00:07:19,071 Speaker 2: and our lives and commitment and resources into something that actually, 140 00:07:19,191 --> 00:07:24,071 Speaker 2: in terms of monetizing, do not get into podcasting if 141 00:07:24,071 --> 00:07:25,271 Speaker 2: you think you're going to. 142 00:07:25,191 --> 00:07:27,631 Speaker 4: Make money, keep your job, Keep your job. 143 00:07:28,831 --> 00:07:32,751 Speaker 2: But it's it's definitely not about making money. Now, if 144 00:07:32,751 --> 00:07:35,551 Speaker 2: you do make money, that's a bonus. If you can 145 00:07:35,671 --> 00:07:37,231 Speaker 2: grow your podcast. 146 00:07:36,831 --> 00:07:38,951 Speaker 1: Your audience, your network, you're download. 147 00:07:38,991 --> 00:07:42,991 Speaker 2: It is a huge it's a huge, like I don't 148 00:07:42,991 --> 00:07:46,751 Speaker 2: think people realize the hours that go into trying to 149 00:07:46,791 --> 00:07:53,071 Speaker 2: create content that might take off one day and it 150 00:07:53,231 --> 00:07:57,551 Speaker 2: might not take off. Don't let that stop you though, 151 00:07:58,071 --> 00:08:01,711 Speaker 2: from you know, if you really want to do a podcast. 152 00:08:01,471 --> 00:08:05,231 Speaker 3: Especially in Australia. I feel like it's such a growing market. 153 00:08:06,111 --> 00:08:09,111 Speaker 3: We've got so much diversity, as you said, that's so 154 00:08:09,311 --> 00:08:13,191 Speaker 3: not seen in mainstream media. It's like an untapped gold 155 00:08:13,271 --> 00:08:15,751 Speaker 3: mine and people are just sitting on it. And then 156 00:08:15,791 --> 00:08:19,151 Speaker 3: it's like, okay, well, how can we connect, how can 157 00:08:19,191 --> 00:08:22,111 Speaker 3: we come as one? You know, And I think podcasting 158 00:08:22,191 --> 00:08:24,751 Speaker 3: is a perfect plug for that, and I just think 159 00:08:24,831 --> 00:08:28,431 Speaker 3: it's it's it's quite unfortunate actually that people think of 160 00:08:28,471 --> 00:08:31,391 Speaker 3: Australia as one way, then when they live here they 161 00:08:31,391 --> 00:08:33,711 Speaker 3: see a completely different Australia. You know. 162 00:08:34,111 --> 00:08:36,191 Speaker 4: Somehow, our like global. 163 00:08:35,711 --> 00:08:38,431 Speaker 3: Image is not what it's like on the streets, like 164 00:08:39,031 --> 00:08:40,391 Speaker 3: down here in Chapel Street. 165 00:08:40,471 --> 00:08:42,431 Speaker 4: It's not what you're gonna see, you know. 166 00:08:42,471 --> 00:08:47,831 Speaker 3: They think surfboard and all that, and then. 167 00:08:48,471 --> 00:08:51,751 Speaker 1: You get that you see kangaroos. I'm like, we're not 168 00:08:51,831 --> 00:08:55,951 Speaker 1: exactly where I live, but sometimes I say kangaroos, but 169 00:08:56,111 --> 00:08:56,831 Speaker 1: not all the time. 170 00:08:56,951 --> 00:08:59,151 Speaker 3: And it's even for me, it's like, oh, there's a kangaroo. 171 00:08:59,191 --> 00:09:01,711 Speaker 3: It's not such an everyday thing. But it's so funny 172 00:09:01,751 --> 00:09:04,351 Speaker 3: coming from Africa, people ask me, oh, you see, did 173 00:09:04,391 --> 00:09:06,511 Speaker 3: you grow up with elephants? I guess I'm so used 174 00:09:06,551 --> 00:09:12,311 Speaker 3: to always explaining my existence, which is so you know, 175 00:09:12,351 --> 00:09:15,391 Speaker 3: you come from proud people and sometimes it's like so 176 00:09:15,591 --> 00:09:19,911 Speaker 3: tough when you're told to be small, you're forced to 177 00:09:19,951 --> 00:09:23,831 Speaker 3: be small because you're like, nah, we proudly were our colors, 178 00:09:23,831 --> 00:09:27,351 Speaker 3: we proudly allowed, we proudly are the way we are. 179 00:09:27,631 --> 00:09:29,391 Speaker 3: And I don't have to fit into your box. 180 00:09:29,431 --> 00:09:30,991 Speaker 4: So what's normal? 181 00:09:31,671 --> 00:09:34,791 Speaker 1: Is that what it's like, it's about your podcast, definitely. 182 00:09:35,111 --> 00:09:38,991 Speaker 3: I think it's just it shows there's more layers to us. 183 00:09:39,151 --> 00:09:42,191 Speaker 3: I think it's so funny, like Australians would think Africa 184 00:09:42,271 --> 00:09:45,231 Speaker 3: is just like one continent and one country, so to speak. 185 00:09:45,511 --> 00:09:48,471 Speaker 3: We can expect Europe to be different. You know, if 186 00:09:48,671 --> 00:09:51,111 Speaker 3: someone from Finland is not the same as someone from Portugal. 187 00:09:51,391 --> 00:09:54,191 Speaker 3: But it blows their minds to think someone from two 188 00:09:54,271 --> 00:09:56,391 Speaker 3: different African countries are different. 189 00:09:56,631 --> 00:09:58,751 Speaker 1: So how many different African countries? 190 00:09:59,111 --> 00:10:01,631 Speaker 3: I think it's fifty four fifty four plus Please don't 191 00:10:01,671 --> 00:10:03,831 Speaker 3: quote me and come for me if I have not quoted. 192 00:10:03,751 --> 00:10:07,871 Speaker 4: Right, So, yeah, it's crazy something. 193 00:10:08,311 --> 00:10:10,311 Speaker 3: And then you think to yourself, each country has its 194 00:10:10,351 --> 00:10:14,951 Speaker 3: own dialects or tribes. That's just such a diverse hub 195 00:10:14,951 --> 00:10:17,751 Speaker 3: of people, isn't it. But yet people just think and 196 00:10:17,831 --> 00:10:20,391 Speaker 3: I mean World Vision definitely had a lot to do 197 00:10:20,471 --> 00:10:23,871 Speaker 3: with playing that whole you know, save Africa, starving kids 198 00:10:23,871 --> 00:10:24,711 Speaker 3: in Africa, and. 199 00:10:27,191 --> 00:10:29,311 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's one side of it. Then when you go 200 00:10:29,351 --> 00:10:29,831 Speaker 4: over this. 201 00:10:31,471 --> 00:10:34,711 Speaker 3: It's so urban, it's so diverse that you're like, okay, yeah, 202 00:10:34,711 --> 00:10:37,471 Speaker 3: we do have that side of us, of course, but 203 00:10:37,511 --> 00:10:39,671 Speaker 3: we also have all this other stuff going on. 204 00:10:40,311 --> 00:10:46,271 Speaker 2: There is there's economies, there's industries, there's appointments exactly. 205 00:10:45,911 --> 00:10:48,391 Speaker 3: We have thoughts and dreams and you know, beyond just 206 00:10:48,431 --> 00:10:50,511 Speaker 3: donate money to us because we're all, you know. 207 00:10:51,951 --> 00:10:52,631 Speaker 4: I must say. 208 00:10:52,671 --> 00:10:55,191 Speaker 2: Growing up and when I first got a job, the 209 00:10:55,231 --> 00:10:59,231 Speaker 2: first thing I did was I sponsored a child your 210 00:10:59,271 --> 00:11:05,591 Speaker 2: heart and I literally got this letter from my you know, 211 00:11:06,511 --> 00:11:11,071 Speaker 2: World Vision child. And I used to as an eighteen 212 00:11:11,151 --> 00:11:13,151 Speaker 2: year old, I thought this was I'm doing a really 213 00:11:13,191 --> 00:11:16,631 Speaker 2: good thing here, and maybe I was doing a good thing, 214 00:11:16,991 --> 00:11:18,191 Speaker 2: whether the money got there or not. 215 00:11:18,591 --> 00:11:19,711 Speaker 1: I've never thought about. 216 00:11:19,511 --> 00:11:23,551 Speaker 2: It until now, but my perception as an eighteen year 217 00:11:23,591 --> 00:11:27,431 Speaker 2: old Abaginal woman living in this country was that Africa 218 00:11:27,471 --> 00:11:32,311 Speaker 2: was this poor country, one country somewhere over there in 219 00:11:33,511 --> 00:11:38,791 Speaker 2: the African desert for jungle. And then you see these safaris, 220 00:11:39,271 --> 00:11:42,151 Speaker 2: you see some cruelty, you know, with people as a sport. 221 00:11:42,231 --> 00:11:44,911 Speaker 2: They go wealthy white people going. 222 00:11:45,071 --> 00:11:47,191 Speaker 4: Hunting and poaching and yeah, yeah. 223 00:11:47,151 --> 00:11:50,991 Speaker 2: Which is illegal in most places. So to leave that 224 00:11:51,071 --> 00:11:54,831 Speaker 2: world behind come over to Australia, do you go back? 225 00:11:55,151 --> 00:11:57,311 Speaker 4: Yeah? I go back often. I tried to. 226 00:11:57,631 --> 00:11:59,391 Speaker 3: You know now it's like so hard because you want 227 00:11:59,391 --> 00:12:01,791 Speaker 3: to travel and you know you've got kid. I've got 228 00:12:01,791 --> 00:12:04,991 Speaker 3: a kid, and it's like okay to actually calculate how 229 00:12:05,031 --> 00:12:06,271 Speaker 3: much this costs. 230 00:12:06,431 --> 00:12:09,271 Speaker 4: And I tried. 231 00:12:09,071 --> 00:12:11,471 Speaker 3: To go at least every two years just to keep 232 00:12:11,671 --> 00:12:15,031 Speaker 3: that connection. And thankfully with technology now it feels like 233 00:12:15,111 --> 00:12:16,911 Speaker 3: someone's just right next to you, right when you can 234 00:12:16,911 --> 00:12:17,551 Speaker 3: give them a call. 235 00:12:17,591 --> 00:12:20,431 Speaker 4: See not missing people, I'm not missing as much. 236 00:12:20,791 --> 00:12:24,671 Speaker 3: But to your point about how you thought about Africans, 237 00:12:24,751 --> 00:12:27,911 Speaker 3: growing up in Australia. It's almost the opposite of how 238 00:12:27,951 --> 00:12:32,271 Speaker 3: I thought of Australians in Africa, Like I would be like, oh, yeah, 239 00:12:32,391 --> 00:12:36,391 Speaker 3: Australia is equal to Skippy and Regimi and a tall 240 00:12:36,751 --> 00:12:42,751 Speaker 3: blonde surfar like that was just mine, neighbors, neighbors, expert. 241 00:12:42,951 --> 00:12:45,431 Speaker 3: So when I came over and I saw First Nation people, 242 00:12:45,471 --> 00:12:46,791 Speaker 3: I was like, what is. 243 00:12:46,671 --> 00:12:48,911 Speaker 1: Going on a lot of people say that. 244 00:12:49,111 --> 00:12:50,351 Speaker 4: It blew my mind. 245 00:12:50,951 --> 00:12:54,831 Speaker 3: It's still to this day how there's such a disconnect 246 00:12:54,871 --> 00:12:58,431 Speaker 3: to what the world thinks Australia looks like. Yeah, it 247 00:12:59,431 --> 00:13:02,071 Speaker 3: sometimes even when we are taking up spaces, like even 248 00:13:02,111 --> 00:13:06,151 Speaker 3: on your network, you have to sometimes think deeper and 249 00:13:06,231 --> 00:13:08,271 Speaker 3: think am I taking someone else's space? 250 00:13:08,831 --> 00:13:10,191 Speaker 4: And I think that's where. 251 00:13:09,991 --> 00:13:12,671 Speaker 3: I'm sure a lot of migrants in Australia feel that way, 252 00:13:12,711 --> 00:13:16,911 Speaker 3: where it's like, we know we're not treating the actual 253 00:13:17,311 --> 00:13:20,111 Speaker 3: owners of this land as they ought to be treated, 254 00:13:20,311 --> 00:13:22,871 Speaker 3: especially coming from where we're coming from. You know, we've 255 00:13:22,871 --> 00:13:26,831 Speaker 3: gone through colonialism, so we're like, we know how this feels, 256 00:13:27,471 --> 00:13:29,711 Speaker 3: so to come here and sometimes you feel like you're 257 00:13:29,711 --> 00:13:34,471 Speaker 3: taking spaces that aren't necessarily yours to take. But then 258 00:13:34,551 --> 00:13:37,311 Speaker 3: you see some people in Australia are completely fine with that, 259 00:13:37,551 --> 00:13:40,391 Speaker 3: and that's such a hard pill to swallow. 260 00:13:40,551 --> 00:13:42,431 Speaker 1: Yes, to try to navigate it. 261 00:13:42,311 --> 00:13:43,391 Speaker 4: Is to navigate that. 262 00:13:44,511 --> 00:13:46,951 Speaker 3: So it's been a growth even being on the network 263 00:13:47,071 --> 00:13:50,151 Speaker 3: for us as well, because it's like, okay, now we're 264 00:13:50,151 --> 00:13:51,431 Speaker 3: actually working in harmony. 265 00:13:51,631 --> 00:13:54,671 Speaker 1: Yes, you know, how do we do more of this? 266 00:13:55,511 --> 00:13:58,191 Speaker 1: That's what we need. We need more people to take 267 00:13:58,271 --> 00:13:58,791 Speaker 1: up space. 268 00:13:59,551 --> 00:14:02,631 Speaker 2: So there's what all of these you know, minority voices, 269 00:14:02,751 --> 00:14:08,551 Speaker 2: ethnic communities, migrant communities, New Australians. Maybe some people have 270 00:14:08,591 --> 00:14:10,511 Speaker 2: been here for a couple of generations. It might be 271 00:14:10,591 --> 00:14:15,551 Speaker 2: from Lebanon or Sudan or other countries. We need to 272 00:14:15,591 --> 00:14:19,391 Speaker 2: get people to see that one you know, there's a 273 00:14:19,431 --> 00:14:24,671 Speaker 2: network here now that's looking at really kind of shaking 274 00:14:24,711 --> 00:14:25,191 Speaker 2: shit up. 275 00:14:25,991 --> 00:14:28,631 Speaker 1: I can say that, how do we get. 276 00:14:28,391 --> 00:14:31,511 Speaker 2: More people to kind of step up and go, oh 277 00:14:31,551 --> 00:14:33,791 Speaker 2: my god, I want to do what they're doing. So 278 00:14:34,151 --> 00:14:36,791 Speaker 2: in your community, do you talk to a lot of 279 00:14:36,831 --> 00:14:41,111 Speaker 2: people about podcasting? Oh, because a lot of people that 280 00:14:41,191 --> 00:14:43,111 Speaker 2: I took together, they're like, oh, yeah, I've always wanted 281 00:14:43,071 --> 00:14:47,031 Speaker 2: to a podcast, but no one's actually there's not many 282 00:14:47,071 --> 00:14:51,591 Speaker 2: people doing it because people have full time jobs and 283 00:14:51,631 --> 00:14:56,031 Speaker 2: they're looking after kids and looking after their grandmothers or whatever. 284 00:14:56,551 --> 00:14:57,831 Speaker 1: So it's not easy. 285 00:14:58,431 --> 00:15:01,551 Speaker 2: So how did you actually start a podcast? What was 286 00:15:01,591 --> 00:15:04,631 Speaker 2: it where you went, we need to buy some because. 287 00:15:04,471 --> 00:15:07,511 Speaker 3: That's when you see when it goes beyond the laptop. 288 00:15:09,071 --> 00:15:12,071 Speaker 3: I think for us it was just we knew we 289 00:15:12,111 --> 00:15:15,391 Speaker 3: have stories to tell and we are the best people 290 00:15:15,431 --> 00:15:18,711 Speaker 3: to tell them. And I think after Black Lives Matter, 291 00:15:18,751 --> 00:15:20,271 Speaker 3: we were like, this is the right time. 292 00:15:20,471 --> 00:15:21,391 Speaker 4: So ours got. 293 00:15:21,231 --> 00:15:23,231 Speaker 3: Born straight after that, Like you know, you go to 294 00:15:23,231 --> 00:15:26,391 Speaker 3: the protests and you take part in then you you know, 295 00:15:26,631 --> 00:15:29,271 Speaker 3: do all the things social media wise. Then you're like, 296 00:15:29,271 --> 00:15:31,631 Speaker 3: but what is after this? What does this look like 297 00:15:31,671 --> 00:15:35,351 Speaker 3: five years from that? And it takes consistency having a podcast, 298 00:15:35,431 --> 00:15:38,391 Speaker 3: Like it's not easy scheduling, especially because Roombe is based 299 00:15:38,391 --> 00:15:41,551 Speaker 3: in Czech Republic, so a lot of times you're like, Okay, 300 00:15:41,551 --> 00:15:42,311 Speaker 3: what time is it there? 301 00:15:42,351 --> 00:15:44,991 Speaker 4: What time is it here? But we just knew we 302 00:15:45,151 --> 00:15:46,031 Speaker 4: have to keep going. 303 00:15:46,071 --> 00:15:49,591 Speaker 3: And I guess the reception from the community, Like you're saying, 304 00:15:49,751 --> 00:15:51,311 Speaker 3: a lot of people say we want to do it, 305 00:15:51,351 --> 00:15:52,711 Speaker 3: we actually ends up doing it. 306 00:15:53,351 --> 00:15:54,871 Speaker 4: You know, want to have these conversations. 307 00:15:54,911 --> 00:15:56,671 Speaker 3: A lot of the stuff we talk about, it's not 308 00:15:56,711 --> 00:16:01,151 Speaker 3: necessarily taboo, but you notice with Africans again speaking about 309 00:16:01,231 --> 00:16:04,671 Speaker 3: being proud people, we have some topics you don't really 310 00:16:04,671 --> 00:16:07,471 Speaker 3: go deeper into, you know, like black tax, for example, 311 00:16:07,511 --> 00:16:09,791 Speaker 3: sending money home. People are like, oh, yeah, you know 312 00:16:09,791 --> 00:16:11,111 Speaker 3: you ought to do it, but it's like no, but 313 00:16:11,191 --> 00:16:14,071 Speaker 3: why let's go into that generational wealth. How are we 314 00:16:14,071 --> 00:16:15,711 Speaker 3: going to grow it if you're always sending money home? 315 00:16:15,751 --> 00:16:18,591 Speaker 3: Like it's just the So the domino effect of all 316 00:16:18,631 --> 00:16:21,471 Speaker 3: these conversations, I think we were wondering as we're growing 317 00:16:21,551 --> 00:16:23,831 Speaker 3: up in these spaces that aren't really for us. 318 00:16:24,671 --> 00:16:25,831 Speaker 4: So we're like, as a black. 319 00:16:25,631 --> 00:16:29,391 Speaker 3: Woman living in diaspora, living far from home, I'm facing 320 00:16:29,471 --> 00:16:32,831 Speaker 3: this are you and then sharing those ideas how are 321 00:16:32,831 --> 00:16:34,991 Speaker 3: you navigating this? How are you navigating people want to 322 00:16:34,991 --> 00:16:37,431 Speaker 3: touch your hair? How are you navigating it? On people 323 00:16:37,471 --> 00:16:40,031 Speaker 3: saying oh, your brains look amazing, and then you want 324 00:16:40,031 --> 00:16:43,231 Speaker 3: to touch it and you're like no, like just alone 325 00:16:43,351 --> 00:16:45,991 Speaker 3: or you know, like it's all those little things where 326 00:16:45,991 --> 00:16:49,271 Speaker 3: it's like this was a safe space. Podcasting was a 327 00:16:49,271 --> 00:16:52,351 Speaker 3: safe space where we could share our thoughts and not 328 00:16:52,391 --> 00:16:53,911 Speaker 3: be judged because I mean, when you're talking the two 329 00:16:53,911 --> 00:16:55,951 Speaker 3: of you like we are now, you're just like, well, 330 00:16:56,391 --> 00:16:57,231 Speaker 3: worst case scenario. 331 00:16:57,311 --> 00:16:58,751 Speaker 4: This ends up on the editing. 332 00:17:00,071 --> 00:17:05,311 Speaker 1: You but to be edited that don't know. 333 00:17:05,671 --> 00:17:09,191 Speaker 3: So I think it was just we were quite intentional 334 00:17:09,231 --> 00:17:11,191 Speaker 3: about what we want to do. We have a lot 335 00:17:11,191 --> 00:17:13,671 Speaker 3: of Zimbabwean guests, and now we're trying to open it 336 00:17:13,751 --> 00:17:16,471 Speaker 3: up to not only Zimbabwe, but other countries in Africa. 337 00:17:16,911 --> 00:17:21,271 Speaker 3: You know, musicians and fellow creatives who have a voice 338 00:17:21,551 --> 00:17:24,111 Speaker 3: but don't have somewhere to actually amplify the ad. 339 00:17:24,231 --> 00:17:28,751 Speaker 2: I talk about musicians, what about affronation, Oh my gosh, 340 00:17:28,831 --> 00:17:31,831 Speaker 2: that was pretty dead. Like watching it there, I was like, 341 00:17:31,991 --> 00:17:32,951 Speaker 2: we needed to be there. 342 00:17:33,631 --> 00:17:36,151 Speaker 3: I wish that wasn't there in my twenties because I 343 00:17:36,191 --> 00:17:38,831 Speaker 3: need to have more energy for the It's a couple 344 00:17:38,871 --> 00:17:42,231 Speaker 3: of day, three day festival, and so they do it 345 00:17:42,271 --> 00:17:46,231 Speaker 3: in Portugal by the beach. So your calves are absolutely 346 00:17:46,311 --> 00:17:49,431 Speaker 3: dying from dance sand sand. 347 00:17:49,871 --> 00:17:53,111 Speaker 2: I don't know if I could dance on sands. 348 00:17:53,431 --> 00:17:56,031 Speaker 3: I mean, it was just nice to see such a 349 00:17:56,111 --> 00:18:00,071 Speaker 3: fusion of different African countries, people who are influenced by 350 00:18:00,071 --> 00:18:03,711 Speaker 3: African culture. It was just a good old time to 351 00:18:03,791 --> 00:18:06,031 Speaker 3: be honest, And sometimes I think we're going through life 352 00:18:06,031 --> 00:18:08,551 Speaker 3: and you're going through this rat race. You don't take 353 00:18:08,591 --> 00:18:11,071 Speaker 3: time to just chill and enjoy. 354 00:18:11,271 --> 00:18:13,871 Speaker 2: They say, stop and smell the roses exactly. So you 355 00:18:13,911 --> 00:18:17,751 Speaker 2: went to Portugal for three day festival. Yeah, what was 356 00:18:17,791 --> 00:18:18,351 Speaker 2: the highlight? 357 00:18:18,991 --> 00:18:21,911 Speaker 3: I would probably say looking around and seeing people who 358 00:18:21,951 --> 00:18:25,431 Speaker 3: get it. Yeah, being in that space and knowing I 359 00:18:25,471 --> 00:18:27,231 Speaker 3: can be loud, I can be proud. 360 00:18:27,391 --> 00:18:28,871 Speaker 4: You know, I'm just gonna blowing. 361 00:18:29,271 --> 00:18:33,591 Speaker 3: Yeah, cut for the lie when you make a quick 362 00:18:33,671 --> 00:18:36,551 Speaker 3: friend and you just had that like camaraderie that I 363 00:18:36,631 --> 00:18:39,151 Speaker 3: think I missed being in Australia. There's there's a bit 364 00:18:39,191 --> 00:18:41,311 Speaker 3: of policing that we give ourselves and some of these 365 00:18:41,351 --> 00:18:44,591 Speaker 3: spaces we're in like Okay, I can only be this certain. 366 00:18:44,471 --> 00:18:47,511 Speaker 1: Mind of loud. It's this acceptable and tolerant. Yet we 367 00:18:47,591 --> 00:18:48,431 Speaker 1: know that other people. 368 00:18:48,751 --> 00:18:50,671 Speaker 4: Yeah, like, oh I can't turn it on too much, 369 00:18:50,871 --> 00:18:52,031 Speaker 4: you know, turn it down? 370 00:18:52,391 --> 00:18:53,151 Speaker 1: Are you my husband? 371 00:18:53,391 --> 00:18:56,751 Speaker 2: And it's beautiful? Love you pace my husband's amazing. But 372 00:18:56,991 --> 00:18:59,031 Speaker 2: sometimes you'll be like you're talking loud. 373 00:18:59,191 --> 00:19:01,871 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get the same. We're talking too much, 374 00:19:02,111 --> 00:19:03,031 Speaker 4: Like all of it. 375 00:19:04,631 --> 00:19:07,111 Speaker 1: Just taste. I'm like, yeah, I know. 376 00:19:12,631 --> 00:19:15,191 Speaker 3: And I think also with the Promised Land that's coming up, 377 00:19:15,391 --> 00:19:17,911 Speaker 3: I think that's the same energy where people wait for 378 00:19:18,031 --> 00:19:21,671 Speaker 3: this one festival to be proudly who they are. 379 00:19:21,751 --> 00:19:24,111 Speaker 4: I'm just quite sad, you know, especially when. 380 00:19:24,031 --> 00:19:25,831 Speaker 3: You think the amount of festivals that we have that 381 00:19:25,991 --> 00:19:29,351 Speaker 3: are not necessarily POC friendly. In Australia, there's lots of 382 00:19:29,471 --> 00:19:32,031 Speaker 3: festivals during the summer time, so it's like, why you're 383 00:19:32,071 --> 00:19:32,671 Speaker 3: waiting for one? 384 00:19:32,951 --> 00:19:34,551 Speaker 4: There should be this should just be normal. 385 00:19:35,191 --> 00:19:38,071 Speaker 3: You know, afrobeats and all this music that's coming out 386 00:19:38,111 --> 00:19:41,271 Speaker 3: on piano, All this that's coming out now is also 387 00:19:41,311 --> 00:19:44,071 Speaker 3: another safe space and should be celebrated just as closely 388 00:19:44,151 --> 00:19:47,471 Speaker 3: as you know, hip hop and rock and everything else. 389 00:19:47,671 --> 00:19:49,231 Speaker 3: So it was a mount It was a good melting 390 00:19:49,271 --> 00:19:53,511 Speaker 3: pot of people, and I left feeling quite energized. 391 00:19:53,591 --> 00:19:56,351 Speaker 4: I think, like I was like, hmmm, yeah, I want 392 00:19:56,351 --> 00:19:57,111 Speaker 4: to keep doing this. 393 00:19:57,391 --> 00:19:59,591 Speaker 3: I don't know if I can afford three three days 394 00:19:59,631 --> 00:20:03,351 Speaker 3: every so often every year, but every day every year. Yeah, 395 00:20:03,351 --> 00:20:06,511 Speaker 3: there's in twenty eighteen, I think. And then obviously with 396 00:20:06,631 --> 00:20:10,671 Speaker 3: COVID and it's the Portugal. Yeah, Portugal, maybe we need 397 00:20:10,751 --> 00:20:13,631 Speaker 3: to go to Portugal. Told my husband I would love 398 00:20:13,751 --> 00:20:15,631 Speaker 3: to do Rio Carnaval. 399 00:20:17,231 --> 00:20:19,671 Speaker 4: Take me with you enjoying it about your husband? Take 400 00:20:19,751 --> 00:20:24,831 Speaker 4: me a girls trip. Yeah, we're going. We're going. 401 00:20:25,191 --> 00:20:31,151 Speaker 2: So in Australia back to podcasting after Affro Nation. Was 402 00:20:31,191 --> 00:20:34,151 Speaker 2: there anything from that trip that you started to think about, 403 00:20:34,151 --> 00:20:35,951 Speaker 2: Oh my god, we need to have some other podcast 404 00:20:36,111 --> 00:20:39,231 Speaker 2: or was there something over there, anyone over there. 405 00:20:39,151 --> 00:20:39,671 Speaker 4: That you met. 406 00:20:40,311 --> 00:20:42,631 Speaker 3: I think for me it was the fact that he 407 00:20:42,671 --> 00:20:45,391 Speaker 3: had all these artists in one room or one space 408 00:20:45,551 --> 00:20:48,311 Speaker 3: and no one to find out their stories. 409 00:20:48,551 --> 00:20:49,751 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so funny. 410 00:20:49,831 --> 00:20:53,031 Speaker 3: We have some like media is a weird thing where 411 00:20:53,071 --> 00:20:55,191 Speaker 3: you like have some people who you see everywhere all 412 00:20:55,271 --> 00:20:58,431 Speaker 3: the time, you know, especially with white artists like a 413 00:20:58,551 --> 00:21:01,231 Speaker 3: Dull or Billie Eilish, you sees so many interviews of them, 414 00:21:01,791 --> 00:21:03,791 Speaker 3: and then when it comes to certain artists, it's like 415 00:21:03,911 --> 00:21:05,991 Speaker 3: you barely see them and you think, oh, they must 416 00:21:06,031 --> 00:21:06,591 Speaker 3: not be willing. 417 00:21:07,111 --> 00:21:09,311 Speaker 4: But it's just there's no chances for them. 418 00:21:09,471 --> 00:21:11,111 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no there's no interest. 419 00:21:11,311 --> 00:21:13,391 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah. And then people say, oh, no one's interested. 420 00:21:13,431 --> 00:21:16,511 Speaker 4: But is that true? Did you really do this? That's on? 421 00:21:16,631 --> 00:21:16,671 Speaker 3: That? 422 00:21:16,871 --> 00:21:18,791 Speaker 4: Is that what you perceive to be true? 423 00:21:19,191 --> 00:21:22,231 Speaker 2: Because if you look at their following online it tells 424 00:21:22,231 --> 00:21:23,751 Speaker 2: you a different story exactly. 425 00:21:24,151 --> 00:21:27,431 Speaker 4: Yeah. So those two million people following you obviously want 426 00:21:27,431 --> 00:21:27,911 Speaker 4: to see more. 427 00:21:27,831 --> 00:21:31,871 Speaker 2: And more of course, so we need more representation especially 428 00:21:32,031 --> 00:21:37,271 Speaker 2: in media podcasting. Here in this beautiful city which is 429 00:21:37,591 --> 00:21:42,951 Speaker 2: you know, arts, everything to do with fashion, entertainment, whatever, 430 00:21:43,271 --> 00:21:46,151 Speaker 2: this is like the place where it's happening. So do 431 00:21:46,231 --> 00:21:49,991 Speaker 2: you feel like the scene here is starting if you 432 00:21:50,031 --> 00:21:54,711 Speaker 2: think outside of podcasting, Melbourne is such a melting pot 433 00:21:55,191 --> 00:21:57,351 Speaker 2: of people from different walks of life. 434 00:21:58,591 --> 00:22:00,391 Speaker 1: And it is what do they say, it's the most 435 00:22:00,431 --> 00:22:01,191 Speaker 1: livable city. 436 00:22:01,031 --> 00:22:03,231 Speaker 4: The most Liverpool city, I think called top three year 437 00:22:03,271 --> 00:22:04,151 Speaker 4: old thing like that. 438 00:22:05,711 --> 00:22:07,751 Speaker 3: I definitely think there is, Like I've gone to some 439 00:22:07,951 --> 00:22:09,951 Speaker 3: events where I'm like, oh wow, there's a lot of 440 00:22:09,991 --> 00:22:13,391 Speaker 3: people here who you don't typically see all the time. 441 00:22:13,431 --> 00:22:16,391 Speaker 3: It's definitely people came to do it, and I think 442 00:22:16,431 --> 00:22:20,071 Speaker 3: it's an awareness thing and people probably just don't market themselves, 443 00:22:20,551 --> 00:22:22,431 Speaker 3: you know, we don't bet on ourselves. There's this thing 444 00:22:22,511 --> 00:22:25,751 Speaker 3: that you know, black people people of color do where 445 00:22:25,831 --> 00:22:27,991 Speaker 3: we just think if it's not perfect, it's not worth it. 446 00:22:28,591 --> 00:22:31,111 Speaker 3: But it's like no, no, no, Like no one starts 447 00:22:31,151 --> 00:22:34,471 Speaker 3: out perfect to do an event. Mayb people won't come, 448 00:22:34,511 --> 00:22:36,871 Speaker 3: and people will come, but do it anyway and then 449 00:22:36,951 --> 00:22:38,871 Speaker 3: let's see where it goes. 450 00:22:39,111 --> 00:22:39,671 Speaker 4: And I feel like. 451 00:22:41,391 --> 00:22:45,391 Speaker 2: Just trying to grow something from scratch, start something from 452 00:22:45,431 --> 00:22:51,231 Speaker 2: scratch backing yourself. Is there more people, whether there's Zimbabwean 453 00:22:51,631 --> 00:22:56,071 Speaker 2: or Ghanaian or Nigerian in this space that we need 454 00:22:56,151 --> 00:22:56,711 Speaker 2: to know about. 455 00:22:58,271 --> 00:23:02,391 Speaker 4: Definitely anyone popping up to say, have you considered. 456 00:23:02,431 --> 00:23:06,511 Speaker 3: There's this amazing fellow podcaster, but she doesn't. She does 457 00:23:06,631 --> 00:23:11,311 Speaker 3: storytelling through podcasts, so it's called Private Affairs amazing podcast 458 00:23:11,711 --> 00:23:13,471 Speaker 3: and I'm always telling her you need to be on TV, 459 00:23:14,151 --> 00:23:16,871 Speaker 3: like you really need to bring this from podcasting to TV. 460 00:23:17,391 --> 00:23:19,991 Speaker 3: Just an audio drama you could sink your ears to 461 00:23:20,271 --> 00:23:23,191 Speaker 3: and you follow this a person's the premises, it's a 462 00:23:23,271 --> 00:23:26,871 Speaker 3: love life that you're following and her dating life, you know. 463 00:23:27,071 --> 00:23:29,031 Speaker 3: But it's so you think, oh, that's been done so 464 00:23:29,151 --> 00:23:31,791 Speaker 3: many times, but it hasn't been done through this lens. 465 00:23:31,951 --> 00:23:32,151 Speaker 3: You know. 466 00:23:32,471 --> 00:23:35,711 Speaker 4: I was about to say that this is yeah, yeah, 467 00:23:35,951 --> 00:23:37,111 Speaker 4: And she wrote. 468 00:23:36,831 --> 00:23:39,711 Speaker 3: It, produced it directly, oring all the hats as you 469 00:23:39,791 --> 00:23:44,791 Speaker 3: would know, like you wear all the hats. And it's 470 00:23:44,871 --> 00:23:47,671 Speaker 3: so hard in the beginning to let go right because 471 00:23:47,711 --> 00:23:50,951 Speaker 3: you're like, but when you listen to it, and obviously 472 00:23:50,991 --> 00:23:53,791 Speaker 3: you will link it and everything, it's just word And 473 00:23:53,871 --> 00:23:56,751 Speaker 3: I think it did win Podcasts of the Year with 474 00:23:56,871 --> 00:23:59,031 Speaker 3: the first season when it came out, so you're like, Okay, 475 00:23:59,111 --> 00:24:00,951 Speaker 3: people did see the quality in it. 476 00:24:01,071 --> 00:24:03,071 Speaker 4: But then it's like funding, right, how do you keep 477 00:24:03,111 --> 00:24:05,111 Speaker 4: it going? How to keep picking? How do you pay 478 00:24:05,111 --> 00:24:07,871 Speaker 4: all these voice actors? Yes, going, and. 479 00:24:09,151 --> 00:24:12,471 Speaker 2: Yeah, we need more and more of that, and these 480 00:24:12,951 --> 00:24:15,991 Speaker 2: these are the kind of spaces where you've got other 481 00:24:16,111 --> 00:24:20,191 Speaker 2: podcasters talking about podcasters. That's one way that we can 482 00:24:20,271 --> 00:24:24,391 Speaker 2: actually grow our audiences. And every download and this is 483 00:24:24,471 --> 00:24:27,151 Speaker 2: good for you to know. Every time someone listens and 484 00:24:27,271 --> 00:24:29,511 Speaker 2: they hear that ad, then there's like a I don't 485 00:24:29,511 --> 00:24:31,671 Speaker 2: know if it's five cents that we. 486 00:24:31,791 --> 00:24:34,111 Speaker 4: Get paid per download. 487 00:24:34,311 --> 00:24:36,951 Speaker 2: So if there's like, you know, a thousand downloads a month, 488 00:24:37,031 --> 00:24:41,431 Speaker 2: that might be sixty dollars and that is really doesn't 489 00:24:41,511 --> 00:24:46,631 Speaker 2: cover my weekly coffee bill. So to try and get content, 490 00:24:46,751 --> 00:24:50,391 Speaker 2: good quality content that we need some resource. So if 491 00:24:50,431 --> 00:24:53,751 Speaker 2: people are listening to this or watching this podcast and 492 00:24:53,871 --> 00:24:57,431 Speaker 2: you really want to support the growth of you know, 493 00:24:57,991 --> 00:25:02,151 Speaker 2: indigenous black and people of color, the BIPOP community, to 494 00:25:02,311 --> 00:25:06,391 Speaker 2: try and actually give us an opportunity to share our 495 00:25:06,551 --> 00:25:11,351 Speaker 2: stories that represent our communities, our experiences here in this 496 00:25:11,511 --> 00:25:14,671 Speaker 2: country maybe around the world, then get onto the Black 497 00:25:14,751 --> 00:25:17,751 Speaker 2: Cast Network, have a look at the podcasters that are 498 00:25:17,751 --> 00:25:21,191 Speaker 2: already on the network, and there's a lot of opportunity 499 00:25:21,871 --> 00:25:24,111 Speaker 2: for us to grow this network if we know that 500 00:25:24,231 --> 00:25:28,551 Speaker 2: you exist, or if there's something that's missing within you know, 501 00:25:28,951 --> 00:25:32,991 Speaker 2: what's stopping you from launching the podcast, what's stopping you 502 00:25:33,391 --> 00:25:38,271 Speaker 2: from taking that first step? And sometimes it's just a 503 00:25:38,511 --> 00:25:40,751 Speaker 2: phone call, get on Instagram. 504 00:25:40,991 --> 00:25:41,991 Speaker 4: This is what I did with you. 505 00:25:42,671 --> 00:25:46,511 Speaker 2: I messaged and I'm like, we need more representation on 506 00:25:46,591 --> 00:25:50,471 Speaker 2: this network if we're truly going to achieve our objective, 507 00:25:50,951 --> 00:25:57,351 Speaker 2: which is about you know, being a platform to celebrate multicultural, 508 00:25:57,631 --> 00:26:03,071 Speaker 2: diverse Australia through podcasting. And I'm so pleased that it's 509 00:26:03,191 --> 00:26:08,711 Speaker 2: laid our first. You know, it's non indigenous, but indigenous 510 00:26:08,751 --> 00:26:11,671 Speaker 2: to your country. So I want people to know that 511 00:26:12,551 --> 00:26:16,951 Speaker 2: black Cast Network is not just a network for Aboriginal podcasters. 512 00:26:17,711 --> 00:26:23,231 Speaker 2: We want to really represent Australia and true representation through 513 00:26:23,591 --> 00:26:27,831 Speaker 2: you know, the bipop kind of lens and community. So 514 00:26:27,991 --> 00:26:29,911 Speaker 2: if there was a piece of advice you would give 515 00:26:30,471 --> 00:26:35,111 Speaker 2: to anyone that's thinking of podcasting, what would that piece 516 00:26:35,151 --> 00:26:38,151 Speaker 2: of advice be, Like, what would you wish you've known 517 00:26:39,151 --> 00:26:41,311 Speaker 2: or that somebody would have told you that might have 518 00:26:41,471 --> 00:26:45,311 Speaker 2: made your little journey? Could have been a long journey, 519 00:26:45,631 --> 00:26:47,431 Speaker 2: a little bit easier, easier. 520 00:26:47,871 --> 00:26:50,271 Speaker 3: I think my first thing probably two part. Look, I 521 00:26:50,311 --> 00:26:52,151 Speaker 3: don't even listen you said one, and I'm thinking of 522 00:26:52,231 --> 00:26:56,591 Speaker 3: two things. My first one would be just start, because 523 00:26:56,591 --> 00:26:58,911 Speaker 3: you can get so lost in what do I get? 524 00:26:58,951 --> 00:26:59,431 Speaker 4: What do I do? 525 00:26:59,551 --> 00:26:59,591 Speaker 3: What? 526 00:26:59,751 --> 00:27:00,671 Speaker 4: Gear? Do I need? What? 527 00:27:01,031 --> 00:27:02,791 Speaker 3: And of course all those things are important, but a 528 00:27:02,871 --> 00:27:05,031 Speaker 3: lot of the things is just getting into the habit 529 00:27:05,111 --> 00:27:08,591 Speaker 3: of actually doing it to build a consistency, right, getting 530 00:27:08,631 --> 00:27:10,231 Speaker 3: to that, And also what's your intention? 531 00:27:10,511 --> 00:27:11,991 Speaker 4: What are you trying at the end of the day. 532 00:27:12,031 --> 00:27:15,431 Speaker 4: What do you want people to walk away having gone? Ah? Yeah? 533 00:27:15,431 --> 00:27:16,991 Speaker 3: And it could be just want to have jokes and 534 00:27:17,111 --> 00:27:19,751 Speaker 3: laughs yea, or it could be all the way too serious, 535 00:27:20,071 --> 00:27:23,631 Speaker 3: deeper conversation. But whatever it is, you need to know 536 00:27:23,951 --> 00:27:26,991 Speaker 3: first what it is you want to convey. And I 537 00:27:27,031 --> 00:27:28,911 Speaker 3: think for a while we took a while to find 538 00:27:28,991 --> 00:27:29,751 Speaker 3: our voice. 539 00:27:29,511 --> 00:27:31,511 Speaker 4: Because we're a bit like, oh what people think? What 540 00:27:31,591 --> 00:27:33,231 Speaker 4: will people say? You know? 541 00:27:33,431 --> 00:27:35,551 Speaker 3: But then and then the day you just realize, but 542 00:27:35,671 --> 00:27:38,071 Speaker 3: this is what I want to do. It's got hopefully 543 00:27:38,231 --> 00:27:41,151 Speaker 3: become along for the journey, but even if they don't, 544 00:27:41,231 --> 00:27:42,871 Speaker 3: this is what I want to put out in the world. 545 00:27:43,551 --> 00:27:45,871 Speaker 1: Yeah, don't be afraid to give it again. Be afraid 546 00:27:46,071 --> 00:27:48,831 Speaker 1: and don't be afraid to fail if you. 547 00:27:48,871 --> 00:27:51,431 Speaker 2: Have to start again, what's like, what's the worst thing 548 00:27:51,471 --> 00:27:54,431 Speaker 2: that can happen is the you scrap it and you 549 00:27:54,551 --> 00:27:55,471 Speaker 2: start again or. 550 00:27:55,471 --> 00:27:56,991 Speaker 4: You go you know what this is? 551 00:27:57,151 --> 00:27:59,311 Speaker 1: This is a lot, This is hard work. Yeah, I 552 00:27:59,391 --> 00:28:02,951 Speaker 1: don't have time, don't have the resources. I can't commit. 553 00:28:03,951 --> 00:28:07,631 Speaker 2: You know, I'm not social media. A big part of 554 00:28:07,751 --> 00:28:11,191 Speaker 2: podcasting is having a social media presence. Now, I didn't 555 00:28:11,191 --> 00:28:15,111 Speaker 2: even have TikTok. We did one video and TikTok banned me, 556 00:28:15,311 --> 00:28:16,911 Speaker 2: so now we. 557 00:28:16,991 --> 00:28:19,311 Speaker 4: Have to get into a story time about that. That's 558 00:28:19,391 --> 00:28:19,951 Speaker 4: exactly it. 559 00:28:20,511 --> 00:28:22,591 Speaker 2: So look, I just want to say thank you for 560 00:28:22,751 --> 00:28:25,831 Speaker 2: jumping on the podcast, making your way, sitting on this 561 00:28:26,071 --> 00:28:30,751 Speaker 2: couch and just being part of my journey with my 562 00:28:30,871 --> 00:28:33,111 Speaker 2: little Black magic Woman, which I never thought would be 563 00:28:33,871 --> 00:28:36,951 Speaker 2: what it is today. And I just want to inspire 564 00:28:37,231 --> 00:28:42,231 Speaker 2: especially black women like you know, if one day that 565 00:28:42,351 --> 00:28:46,911 Speaker 2: this becomes my full time job, that'll be like surreal. 566 00:28:47,271 --> 00:28:49,231 Speaker 2: I don't ever think this will be my full time job, 567 00:28:49,751 --> 00:28:51,191 Speaker 2: but I imagine five years time. 568 00:28:51,351 --> 00:28:53,831 Speaker 4: Yes, do you remember that time? Remember and look what 569 00:28:53,911 --> 00:28:54,391 Speaker 4: you're doing now? 570 00:28:54,471 --> 00:28:57,951 Speaker 2: This is your full time, husle, but I'm enjoying doing 571 00:28:58,031 --> 00:29:00,071 Speaker 2: it on the side, and I'm enjoying. 572 00:29:00,031 --> 00:29:01,671 Speaker 1: You know, the fact that I get to meet people 573 00:29:01,791 --> 00:29:04,311 Speaker 1: like you and here about people like you. 574 00:29:04,431 --> 00:29:06,911 Speaker 2: So my community and people that have been following me 575 00:29:07,591 --> 00:29:11,511 Speaker 2: now hopefully get over and follow Amanda and Rombe and. 576 00:29:12,031 --> 00:29:14,351 Speaker 1: We can't wait for you to jump on this couch. 577 00:29:14,871 --> 00:29:17,631 Speaker 1: So we'll come back and do a part two. So 578 00:29:17,751 --> 00:29:20,591 Speaker 1: on that note, enjoy the rest of your evening. 579 00:29:20,751 --> 00:29:22,751 Speaker 3: Thank you for having me, and thank you for Black 580 00:29:22,791 --> 00:29:26,271 Speaker 3: Cast Network. Really it feels like we're home. It really does, 581 00:29:26,351 --> 00:29:29,151 Speaker 3: and when you're far away from home, that's the best feeling. 582 00:29:29,551 --> 00:29:32,031 Speaker 2: Oh stop, Well, we need more people to feel that 583 00:29:32,751 --> 00:29:38,151 Speaker 2: sense of belonging, that there's a yes, that there's there's 584 00:29:38,191 --> 00:29:41,111 Speaker 2: a place for a lot of other mob you know, 585 00:29:41,231 --> 00:29:45,431 Speaker 2: like the people don't realize that Aboriginal peoples and families 586 00:29:45,471 --> 00:29:49,111 Speaker 2: and communities are so welcoming. And that's what I hope 587 00:29:49,151 --> 00:29:53,031 Speaker 2: that we're creating it. The black Cast definitely coming over. 588 00:29:53,591 --> 00:29:55,751 Speaker 2: If we don't know about us, then Google. 589 00:29:55,991 --> 00:29:59,871 Speaker 4: Yeah we're everywhere, like no excuse now, So look that 590 00:30:00,391 --> 00:30:00,791 Speaker 4: you mob. 591 00:30:00,871 --> 00:30:04,591 Speaker 1: I hope you've enjoyed this amazing yarn Until next time, 592 00:30:04,751 --> 00:30:05,271 Speaker 1: By for now. 593 00:30:05,991 --> 00:30:09,031 Speaker 2: If you'd like any more info on today's guest, please 594 00:30:09,151 --> 00:30:13,871 Speaker 2: visit our show notes in the episode description. A big 595 00:30:13,951 --> 00:30:16,671 Speaker 2: shout out to all you Deadly Mob and allies who 596 00:30:16,751 --> 00:30:19,671 Speaker 2: continue to listen, watch, and support our podcast. 597 00:30:19,951 --> 00:30:21,591 Speaker 1: Your feedback means the world. 598 00:30:22,071 --> 00:30:25,311 Speaker 2: You can rate and review the podcast on Apple and Spotify, 599 00:30:25,591 --> 00:30:28,391 Speaker 2: or even head to our socials and YouTube channel and 600 00:30:28,511 --> 00:30:29,271 Speaker 2: drop us a line. 601 00:30:29,431 --> 00:30:30,511 Speaker 1: We'd love to hear from you. 602 00:30:31,311 --> 00:30:34,671 Speaker 2: The Black Magic Woman podcast is produced by Clint Curtis.