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Speaker 2: Good morning, Lea, Good morning Katie and to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, Leah, I understand that you were at the rally

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Speaker 1: Do you know what the matter of public importance is

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Speaker 1: Like I touched on before, obviously, the community expectation is

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Speaker 2: that is doing this review into bail reform and strengthening

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Speaker 2: the laws, and yet he's too busy hanging out with

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Speaker 2: his labor mates in Sydney on the other side of

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Speaker 2: the country. This is a government that is out of touch.

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Speaker 2: They are tone deaf. They genuinely do not care about

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Speaker 2: strengthening the laws because they care more about the offender

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Speaker 2: Katie and actions speak.

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Speaker 3: Louder than words.

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Speaker 2: Their actions continue to reinforce that they would rather offenders

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Speaker 2: have a free ride than territories live their life in safety.

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Speaker 1: Leah last week, the Independent Member for Ara lu And

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Speaker 1: Robin Lambley, called on both the Chief Minister and the

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Speaker 1: Attorney General to stand down. She doesn't feel as though

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Speaker 1: they are up to the job of being able to

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Speaker 1: manage the crime crisis that we're experiencing in the Northern territory.

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Speaker 2: Do you oh, I have zero confidence in Natasha Files

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Speaker 2: or any of her government, any of her backbench.

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Speaker 3: What we have is weak leadership.

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Speaker 2: On the other side, we have a labor team full

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Speaker 2: of cowards. They do not stand up against their leader,

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Speaker 2: They do not stand up for their community. On Tuesday

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Speaker 2: last week, in the wake of declan lavity is killing,

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Speaker 2: we ran a no confidence motion in Natasha Files and

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Speaker 2: her government and her backbench. They did not stand up

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Speaker 2: for the people in their communities. They did not do anything.

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Speaker 3: They voted like sheep.

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Speaker 2: Behind someone who is leading the territory down the garden path.

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Speaker 3: It is shameful.

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Speaker 2: I have no confidence in any of them. And here

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Speaker 2: we are week two with a total lack of priorities

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Speaker 2: from a government that does not care about the same

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Speaker 2: things that Territorians care about.

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Speaker 1: All right, Lea Finocchiaro, we are going to have to

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Speaker 1: leave it there. Always appreciate your time. Look, you are

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Speaker 1: still getting some criticism on the tech sign this morning

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Speaker 1: that you know that you're being very critical of the

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Speaker 1: government but not coming up with other solutions. I mean,

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Speaker 1: what do you say to people that are feeling that

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Speaker 1: way right now?

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Speaker 3: I look, I reach out to my office.

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Speaker 2: We will send you our entire plan. If you prefer

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Speaker 2: to tune into Parliament, you could tune in tomorrow afternoon,

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Speaker 2: but obviously that's very difficult. But ultimately we want to

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Speaker 2: make breach of bow condition and offense. We want repeat

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Speaker 2: and violent offenders to start with a position of no bault.

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Speaker 2: We would take youth justice out of territory, Families and

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Speaker 2: put it in corrections. We would create a sentence to

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Speaker 2: a skilled boot camp for youth offenders so that they

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Speaker 2: are forced to learn skill and be connected with work.

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Speaker 2: I would hold the police portfolio as Chief Minister, so

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Speaker 2: that police and law and order are front and center

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Speaker 2: and first and foremost important to my government.

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Speaker 3: There are.

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Speaker 2: We would have mandatory bring back mandatory sentencing. We would

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Speaker 2: lower the age of criminal responsibility. We would have mandatory

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Speaker 2: community service for youth offenders. I mean, the list goes

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Speaker 2: on and on and on, Katie, and I urge anyone

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Speaker 2: who wants to know more please get in touch with

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Speaker 2: me via Facebook, in email however it works for you,

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Speaker 2: and we will be very happy to share our plan.

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Speaker 1: Opposition Leader Lea Finocchiaro, I appreciate your time. Please keep

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Speaker 1: in contact and let us know how things go in Parliament.

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Speaker 3: We will thank you everyone,