1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: I'd like to begin by acknowledging the traditional custodians of 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: the lands on which we've recorded this episode, and also 3 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:10,399 Speaker 1: pay respect to the elders and communities of the many 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: lands where you, our listeners, are joining us. Today we 5 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: honor the continuing connection to country, culture and story. Hey there, 6 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: I'm Mandanara Bales. Welcome back to find and Tell, where 7 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: First Nations voices share stories that connect us to culture, 8 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 1: community and country. Today's theme is the road Less Traveled, 9 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: chining a light on journeys that don't always follow the 10 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: expected path. You might remember lawyer and comedian Micah Kikett 11 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: from episode two are Proud Nunga and Kouri Man wearing 12 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: many hats. Well, today he's drawing on his roots as 13 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: an indigenous reporter. He's taking us with him to the 14 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: mcgumber Mission, once called More River Native Settlement, just north 15 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:09,559 Speaker 1: of Perth. It's a place heavy with history and part 16 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: of the Stolen Generations where many Aboriginal kids were forcibly 17 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: taken from their families. But for Uncle Roger, a former 18 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: Mission kid, this place holds more than sorrow. It holds memories, 19 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: connection and a story only he can tell. So are 20 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: you ready to buckle up. 21 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:28,759 Speaker 2: Let's listen. 22 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 3: I leave here feeling good, and I shouldn't because this 23 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 3: is not a great place. It's over one hundred years 24 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 3: old and the atrocities that happened. But to me, even 25 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 3: with my brother not here, I'm representing MU and I 26 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 3: feel content and I think I did the best I 27 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 3: could as a mission kid. 28 00:01:56,440 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 4: Magumber Mission, once known as the More River Native Settlement, 29 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 4: was a place of separation, loss and sadness. Between the 30 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 4: nineteen twenties and sixties, many Aboriginal children were taken there, 31 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 4: torn from their families, to be forcibly assimilated into white society. 32 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 4: So when my uncle Rod Detervey, a Nunga man and 33 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 4: former mission kid, told me that he still returns. 34 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 2: To Mcgumba, I wanted to know why. 35 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 4: Why does he go back to places of suffering and darkness? 36 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 4: Today we're going back to hear he's yarn. When's the 37 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 4: last time that you come out here? 38 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 3: The last time I traveled to Mcgumba was probably about 39 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 3: four years ago. 40 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 2: I thought you said that you come this way often 41 00:02:59,680 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 2: to make. 42 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 3: When I worked those to go at least once or 43 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 3: twice a year. But now I don't go as much. 44 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 3: I think. We're here just where this swing is. This 45 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 3: is Water Cottage where me and my brother Sam was 46 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 3: and then there was two houses, one house here and 47 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 3: the next house. They don't exist anymore. And we're coming 48 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 3: to a wide junction road and one leads up to 49 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 3: the dairy where they edged to milk the cows and 50 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 3: go up to the shed where the tank is. And 51 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 3: the other road leads back to Krenia Cottage, which was 52 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 3: just over there, the remnants of it. And we're going 53 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 3: up top on the hill which will give us a 54 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 3: bit of a view over the land and where the 55 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 3: tanks are. And there's also a path leading to the symmetry, 56 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 3: which is about two k's by the road. 57 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 4: More of a native settlement, was a place many Aboriginal 58 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 4: children were taken to after forcibly being removed from their 59 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 4: loved ones. In the cemetery on the site, close to 60 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 4: four hundred people are buried, and more than half a 61 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 4: kid's Brutal conditions, including disease, malnutrition, and neglect, led to 62 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 4: the deaths of many. Some people called this place a 63 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 4: hell on earth, but for my uncle Roger, it was 64 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 4: a home away from home. I knew he'd come here 65 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 4: as a kid in nineteen seventy two when the More 66 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 4: River settlement had become the Magumber Mission, a former home 67 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 4: to Aboriginal children run by the Methodist Church. Uncle Roger's 68 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 4: dad was part of the Stolen Generations. His mum she 69 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 4: grew up on a mission in Badgling near Quirting, but 70 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 4: after his parents separated, his mum needed somewhere safe for 71 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 4: him and his brothers. That's when my uncle Roger and 72 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 4: his younger brother, uncle Sam, they were brought to that place. 73 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 2: Now there's no one there. 74 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 4: We drove past run down buildings, peeling pain, rusted wire 75 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 4: until we reached the top of the hill and a small, little, 76 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 4: old wooden church. How does it make you feel sitting 77 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 4: in the church at More of a navy settlement. 78 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 3: It's said that it's not maintained. This church has been 79 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 3: around four I don't know. I don't have that age 80 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 3: of it, but me on finding it could have been 81 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 3: looked after a bit better. Even if the other buildings 82 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 3: went to Rack and Roin. This should have been looked 83 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 3: after more becausus the church and was central to the community. 84 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 4: I wanted to know what life was really like at Montgumbar, 85 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 4: so I asked Uncle Roger if he remembered the first 86 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 4: day when he arrived. 87 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 3: It was sometime in March, sunny day, the sun was shining. 88 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 2: It was a long. 89 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 3: Trip in the back of the car with my brother. 90 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 2: We got here before dark. 91 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 3: We pulled in, saw people in the distance, but it 92 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 3: was a bit of scary. 93 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 2: We pulled up at Warritor. 94 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 3: Got out the cottage, mother came over, the reverend introduced us, 95 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 3: grabbed our stuff, and we went into the cottage. Looking 96 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 3: around at the kids. We started smiling, but we were nervous. 97 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 2: We didn't know. We didn't know what. 98 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 3: We were expecting, so we didn't say much until we 99 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 3: got in the cottage and. 100 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 2: Were there other kids here from your mob? 101 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, we had kids from the same town, Killer Baron. 102 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 3: Even there was one or two from the Kimberley's. They 103 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 3: all became our mission brothers and sisters. Some of those 104 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 3: friends still around today. Do you still speak to them? 105 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 2: Yes. 106 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 3: On the way here, I was just talking about one 107 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 3: of my mates to his nephew and his cousin. So 108 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 3: I'm still in contact with some of them, And when 109 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 3: I see them it's not only because we're cousin. Brother 110 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 3: were related it's also there my mission brothers or mission sisters. 111 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 2: So when you got here, right, what was everyday life 112 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 2: like for you? 113 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 3: We went to school in the mcgumber town site every day, 114 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 3: but on the weekend, Saturday was free day. You could 115 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 3: visit the other kids in the cottage. We got together, 116 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 3: played cricket. When it was summer, we had to swim, 117 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 3: or we went for a walk down the river, as 118 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 3: long as we were back certain times. And on Sunday 119 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 3: we had to make sure we got up early, got 120 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 3: cleaned up, got in the Sunday best to go to church. 121 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 3: I would say every kid that's been placed in mcgombery 122 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 3: or more of a NATed sentimon have a different concept 123 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 3: of what happened to him, good, bad or ugly. 124 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 2: Sometimes. 125 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 3: You know, I got my head bashed turned with my. 126 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 2: Brother, I got my ears pulled. 127 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 3: I was told to get out and not come back 128 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 3: and locked out from having a meal. We were made 129 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 3: to stay there and tell me and my brother complete 130 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 3: the duty. So you had chores every day, getting chopping wood, 131 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 3: raking around your building, making your bed, tiding your room up, 132 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 3: some things that you left to your mother you had 133 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 3: to do. 134 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 2: Were you allowed to speak language here? 135 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 3: Well being in young which you speak young creole, you 136 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 3: were allowed to those days were different than the days before. 137 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 2: And what sort of kid were you like? Were your 138 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 2: cheeky little kid. 139 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 3: Or what I think? Because I was the older brother, 140 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 3: I was the sensible one. My younger brother was a 141 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 3: bit fiery. One day he got a whip and cracking 142 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 3: it and coming around near the cottage, and I sitting him, 143 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 3: put that whip away, miss Dorris will get amy. Yeah, no, 144 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 3: don't tell me I to do Roger. He kept cracking 145 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 3: the whip. She came out and said, what are your 146 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 3: boys doing? Wash up for tea Sam, give me that whip. 147 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 3: So when he gave her the whip, she cracked him 148 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 3: with it, and I said later on in the room, 149 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 3: I said. 150 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 2: See, I told you, And was he crying around or what? 151 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:16,839 Speaker 3: No, he was shocked and stunned that she whacked him 152 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 3: with it, and she threw it away and told him 153 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 3: not to go near it. 154 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 2: So did he listen after that or what I think? 155 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:25,199 Speaker 3: He snacked it and took it to the river, and 156 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 3: so he left it down down the river bank, which 157 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,599 Speaker 3: is just on the side of the mission. That I 158 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 3: think him and my cousin Barry would go there then 159 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 3: crack the whip around. 160 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 4: Now, you've obviously come back here before, and you've come 161 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 4: back here quite a few times, even now as an 162 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 4: adult and as an elder. 163 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 2: What brings you back to this place? 164 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,199 Speaker 3: Because I like coming here. I know some of the 165 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 3: kids have suffered, and some of the kids are passed on, 166 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 3: and my brother's passed on as well. But I do 167 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 3: get a sense of reflection, I get a sense of 168 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 3: good memory. I leave here feeling yeah good. And I 169 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 3: shouldn't because this is not a great place. It's over 170 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 3: one hundred years old, and the atrocities that happened. But 171 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:13,479 Speaker 3: to me, even with my brother not here, I'm representing 172 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 3: him and I feel content and I think I did 173 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,479 Speaker 3: the best I could as a mission kid. 174 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 4: If you could speak to your younger self, the boy 175 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 4: who first came here, what would you say to him? 176 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 2: Now you're still here. 177 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 3: You made it because you're not a statistic, you're not deceased, 178 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 3: you're not being in jail. You've always been positive. And 179 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 3: when I was eleven, I didn't know that. I didn't 180 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 3: know what would happen. I probably didn't think i'd be 181 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 3: around compared to all the other stats of a lot 182 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:53,719 Speaker 3: of people have passed on. That's sad because why they 183 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 3: passed on don't know. Did the health problems, did they 184 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 3: didn't deal with being taken away as a child to 185 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 3: one of these plays. Did they have a lot of 186 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 3: stuff happened to them and kept inside they didn't share. 187 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 3: I don't know the answers. I suppose some of us 188 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 3: are lucky because we still had I still had parents 189 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 3: alive when I was here. Some of the other kids 190 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 3: didn't know who they were. Some of the other kids 191 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 3: parents that were deceased, or they didn't have they didn't 192 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 3: have a sort of a nuclear base. They didn't know 193 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 3: who they were properly. And so I felt better that 194 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 3: I knew that we were only going to be here 195 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 3: for a short time. 196 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 2: And is there anything else that you feel that you 197 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:35,959 Speaker 2: want to add? 198 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 3: Any mission? Brothers and sisters out there listening to this podcast, 199 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 3: keep going, keep keep being positive, keep getting help and 200 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 3: support wherever you can. Share your stories and share with 201 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 3: your loved ones, because at the end of the day, 202 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 3: your love runs are traumatized. 203 00:11:54,480 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: To welcome back, to find and tell Micah Kikett is back. 204 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: He's on the road with his uncle Roger heading back 205 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: to the mesh. 206 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 4: On our drive back through the mission, we were met 207 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 4: by a fellow name ruy Lyle. He's that CEO fellow 208 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 4: of you at Aboriginal Corporation, and he's responsible for protecting 209 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 4: places like this, cites that hold deep significance for the 210 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 4: local community. Uncle Roger had mentioned that there were plans 211 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 4: to do that place up, and I'd also seen some 212 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 4: things on Facebook about that too, so I took the 213 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 4: chance to ask Rui what the plans are for m Gumba. 214 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 5: There's a lot of interest in a healing process for 215 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 5: this place, and we have asked the state government to 216 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 5: fund a healing process similar to the process that was 217 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 5: taking place for wadjum Up. You would are very keen 218 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 5: to lead the way. In the conversation with families of 219 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 5: people who are brought here and some survivors. We understand 220 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 5: that there are a number of people who have been 221 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 5: tired of waiting for the state government and others to 222 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 5: make progress in a healing process for the place, and 223 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 5: so there's been some activity here. It has not been 224 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 5: an authorized activity. It's basically people who have, as I said, 225 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 5: got tired of waiting want to see action happening and 226 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 5: have taken it upon themselves to come here and do work. 227 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 5: And that's not a criticism, it's just the way it's been. 228 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 5: So we're looking forward to working with those people who 229 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 5: have been interested in forming up a museum and other 230 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 5: things to talk about what the future should be and 231 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 5: to make a plan for how to make this into 232 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 5: a place that Nuna people but also family from across 233 00:13:54,320 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 5: the state feel like it is a positive future and 234 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 5: not just. 235 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 2: The chriest. 236 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 3: Leaving it is quite lonely. 237 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 2: What's her leaving mcgumbers. 238 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 3: I feel more sad leaving than coming because no one's here, 239 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 3: no one's looking after it. I just feel sad that 240 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 3: you feel the sense of the spirit of maybe your 241 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 3: people can before my brother, I just feel a little 242 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 3: bit sad within myself and feel a bit low. It's 243 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 3: like your friend or your family leaving your house, but 244 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 3: me leaving the mission and there's no one there, only 245 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 3: the spirits and the memories of long ago. I'm leaving 246 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 3: a pass or a part of me behind. And every 247 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 3: time you come to mcgumber, I feel it. But it's 248 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 3: been ages and I just see it and I feel 249 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 3: sorry for the place. I don't know why, but I 250 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 3: just do feel a bit low are within myself. Yeah, 251 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 3: I could talk more about the same things together, but 252 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 3: maybe next time. 253 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 4: I'm glad Uncle Roger took me back to that place 254 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 4: by sharing his story. He's helped me to understand what 255 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 4: it means to be a mission kit and how we 256 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 4: found positive memories and a family of mission brothers and sisters. 257 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 2: In such a sad place. 258 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 4: So I hope those plans to get mcgumber up and 259 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 4: running move ahead, because we need to be able to 260 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 4: keep coming back to remember my uncle Sam and the 261 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 4: mission kids, to honor all the victims of More River settlement. 262 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 2: And the survivors. 263 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 4: And I reckon next year, I'll come back with my 264 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 4: Uncle Roger and my sists so we can do. 265 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 2: That, all right. Well, thanks for bringing me out of you. 266 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 3: That's all right. I hope you sort of learned the 267 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 3: real history and what Montgumma means to me and other survivors. 268 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: That was Micah Kicktt walking alongside his Uncle Roger. What 269 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: really stayed with me was the way Uncle Roger shows 270 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: us that healing doesn't always mean leaving things behind. Sometimes 271 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: it means going back, sharing your story and standing strong 272 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: in who you Are. Our theme today was the Road 273 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: Less Traveled, and I reckon Micah and Uncle Roger showed 274 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: us just how power that path can be. Next time 275 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 1: on Fine and Tell, you'll hear from Aliah Jade Bradbury, 276 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: a deadly Torres Strait Islander storyteller. You might remember she 277 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: took home an Emmy in episode three. Well, when you 278 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: hear where she comes from, it makes perfect sense. Alia's 279 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: next yan is all about legacy and carving out space 280 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 1: between tradition and modern life. It's the perfect start to 281 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:30,360 Speaker 1: our final theme for the season. The next chapter head 282 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: follow on your podcast app so you can keep walking 283 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: these journeys with us. I'm Ndanara Bales and this is 284 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: Find and Tell. 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