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Speaker 1: Already and this is this is the daily This is

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Speaker 1: the daily. Ohs oh, now it makes sense. Good morning

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the Daily OS. Today is Friday, the

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Speaker 1: sixth of December.

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Speaker 2: I'm Billy, I'm Zara.

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Speaker 1: One of Victoria's oldest cold cases is one step closer

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Speaker 1: to finally being solved.

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Speaker 2: This week.

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Speaker 1: Sixty five year old man Perry Crumblis was charged with

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Speaker 1: the murders of Suzanne Armstrong and Susan Bartlett at their

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Speaker 1: home on Easy Street in Collingwood, Melbourne in nineteen seventy seven.

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Speaker 1: That's nearly fifty years ago. Commonly referred to as the

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Speaker 1: Easy Street murders, this has been labeled Victoria's most serious

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Speaker 1: and longest cold case by Victoria Police Chief Commissioner Shane Patten.

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Speaker 3: Billy, I'm gonna be real with you. I had never

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Speaker 3: heard of this case. I've seen headlines over the past

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Speaker 3: few weeks about it, but I had never done deep

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Speaker 3: dive of my own. And so to solve that, you

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Speaker 3: did send me articles that you wrote about it as

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Speaker 3: a journalist several years ago. So you are the expert

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Speaker 3: on this story. What do I need to know about it?

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Speaker 1: And the expert at TDA. But definitely not the true

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Speaker 1: sorry good beyond TDA. My theory is that most people

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Speaker 1: who grew up in Melbourne have heard of this case,

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Speaker 1: but a lot of people elsewhere in the country, like Uzara,

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Speaker 1: or at least young people who weren't around when these

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Speaker 1: murders occurred, they haven't heard of this. But like I said,

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Speaker 1: it's one of Victoria's most notorious murders. And what's been

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Speaker 1: most captivating has been that authorities have never given up

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Speaker 1: on trying to find out what exactly happened to these

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Speaker 1: two women.

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Speaker 3: So you said that it was fifty years ago for

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Speaker 3: anyone that perhaps hasn't followed that story from its beginning

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Speaker 3: to now, what do we need to understand about it?

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Speaker 1: So this all happened in January nineteen seventy seven. It

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Speaker 1: was then that the body of twenty eight year old

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Speaker 1: Suzanne Armstrong and twenty seven year old Susan Bartlett so

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Speaker 1: our ages now a Zara. They were so young their

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Speaker 1: bodies were found. Now, their bodies were found on the

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Speaker 1: thirteenth of jan and the pair had last been seen

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Speaker 1: alive on the evening of the tenth of Jan so

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Speaker 1: that's a three day difference. And they believe that they

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Speaker 1: were murdered on the tenth of January, but like I said,

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Speaker 1: their bodies weren't found until three days later. When they

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Speaker 1: were found, it was clear that they had suffered from

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Speaker 1: a very horrific homicide. There were multiple stab wounds. Some

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Speaker 1: reports say that they had been stabbed up to eighty

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Speaker 1: two times. One police officer this week actually said that

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Speaker 1: it was an absolutely gruesome, horrific and frenzied homicide. So

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Speaker 1: inside this three bedroom house that they were living in

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Speaker 1: at the time. You know, I don't want to go

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Speaker 1: you can only imagine what eighty two stab wounds would

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Speaker 1: due to the scene of that crime. Also, Suzanne's sixteen

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Speaker 1: month old son was found.

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Speaker 2: In the home.

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Speaker 1: His name was Gregory, and he was found unharmed, so

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Speaker 1: he was alive, and it's understood that he had just

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Speaker 1: these murders happened.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so you've set the scene, which is an incredibly

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Speaker 3: gruesome one, a horrific one. There are these three days

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Speaker 3: That a murder investigation was immediately started.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, police immediately started to try to understand what had

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so it's kind of hard to understand how

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Speaker 1: there were all of these different stories that really made

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Speaker 1: number of different suspects, but obviously police couldn't determine exactly

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Speaker 1: to these murders. We do know that this man, Peter Kurumblus,

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Speaker 1: what's that forty years after, police announced a one million

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Speaker 3: Why that long afterwards, Like what changed? If it became

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Speaker 3: a cold case they weren't able to build enough evidence

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's always been interest in the case.

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Speaker 1: I know that twenty fifteen they appointed a new police

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Speaker 3: Okay, So in twenty seventeen we understand there's a person

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Speaker 3: happens here. Fast forward to twenty twenty four. In fact,

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Speaker 3: been charged. You just said that he left Australia to

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Speaker 1: So what is now clear is that at some point

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Speaker 1: what confused or made that more complex is that under

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Speaker 1: decades after the crime they're alleged to have committed, even

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Speaker 1: if that crime was allegedly committed internationally.

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Speaker 2: So it's like the statute of limitation exactly.

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Speaker 1: So basically they were saying, this alleged crime happened too

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Speaker 1: long ago, so you cannot arrest him. President he charges

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Speaker 3: So that's interesting because then Australia wouldn't have been able

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Speaker 3: so they would have had to extradite him home, which

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Speaker 1: So they tried to do that and they failed because

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Speaker 1: So then in September this year, Krumblus visited Italy for

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Speaker 3: So can I just understand clearly then Italy doesn't have

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Speaker 1: Yes, which we understand he was confused about because actually

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Speaker 1: Kremblus was surprised when he was arrested. She said he

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Speaker 2: I mean it is a very long pick.

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Speaker 1: It is a long time definitely. And then Zara, like

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Speaker 1: you said, he was extradited from Italy to Australia to

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Speaker 3: And for anyone listening, just to again reiterate what extradition is.

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Speaker 3: That is the formal process that happens between countries. So

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Speaker 2: Yes, Billy a question, this was fifty years ago. Is

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Speaker 2: he an old man now?

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Speaker 1: So it was nearly fifty years ago. It was about

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Speaker 1: that means police are alleging that he was around the

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Speaker 1: they were twenty seven and twenty eight.

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Speaker 3: And did police allege that he knew the two women, Well,

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Speaker 1: He lived just a few hundred meters away from the

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Speaker 2: And so then has new evidence emerged?

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Speaker 3: Like if they interviewed him back then came to the

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Speaker 3: Like what's changed between now and then?

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Speaker 1: Important to note that he has always denied any involvement

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Speaker 3: And what specifically has he been charged with? So he

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Speaker 1: So he has been charged with two counts of murder

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's horrific to think that for so long

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Speaker 3: a case like this has gone unsolved. What happens from now.

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Speaker 1: Well, the case isn't over. This is just the first

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Speaker 1: step now in trying to finally solve it. At this point,

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Speaker 1: what we've detailed here, it's only allegations and it hasn't

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Speaker 1: been proven in court that Kurumblus murdered these women. He

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Speaker 2: There is the presumption of innocence.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, So the case is due to return to

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Speaker 1: that means that he will remain behind bars until he

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Speaker 3: I wonder if that's because of a travel risk, because

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Speaker 3: if he finds himself back in Greece, they can't get

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Speaker 3: Interesting, Okay, So have we heard from the families of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, both of their families have been at court this

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Speaker 3: What an incredible thing it must be for their families

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I can't even I mean, saying that these

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Speaker 1: Like I said, both their families have been at court.

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Speaker 1: Susan's brother, Marden, said the hearing had provided some sense

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Speaker 3: I mean clearly such long lasting effects for the families

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Speaker 2: Thanks for explaining, Billy.

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