Speaker 1: On today's show, Lilli Brown opens up about her relationship status,
Speaker 1: Anapaul's surprising gift for her mum, Love Island's Page Thorn
Speaker 1: breaks her silence on MESSI split from Adam Collard and
Speaker 1: Instagram's suspending spree. Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your
Speaker 1: dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture news twice
Speaker 1: a week. I'm Kate Torbert and I'm very excited because
Speaker 1: it's only one sleep to go until my Hen's weekend.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited too.
Speaker 1: I'm Amy Torbert and Sofa and I have just left
Speaker 1: Kate waiting because we had to make a dash. It
Speaker 1: was a Facebook marketplace dash for a mystery item for
Speaker 1: your hands. That makes more sense because they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: we've just got to drive down to Mount Barker, which
Speaker 1: is quite a drive.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what the hell could possibly be there?
Speaker 1: We have to share on Instagram after your HENS party.
Speaker 1: You don't want to ruin the surprise, but it's pretty
Speaker 1: funny what.
Speaker 2: We picked up. It's a bit of a riskue item's
Speaker 2: got that risk. I'm going to be happy about it.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm Sophie Tolbert and I've been the chief party
Speaker 1: planner for this event. So I'm actually really looking forward
Speaker 1: to the it's sort of being over. I have this
Speaker 1: huge Excel spreadsheet where I'm just stressing. I've got so
Speaker 1: many different things I've got to do tomorrow. So what
Speaker 1: about me. I've got to make a Penis pinard are you?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that just sounds like something you would do.
Speaker 2: Are you making this from hand? Like ay? I have
Speaker 2: been looking up YouTube die.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Please tell me that you're finished, because
Speaker 1: it's tomorrow. Please don't stay up all night and make
Speaker 1: us late. She's putting the finishing time.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: I do believe like I do internalizings, and I shut
Speaker 3: down in the moment until it's sort of simmered and
Speaker 3: we both understand each other these perspectives and then we
Speaker 3: talk about it. Then I'm way better at that. But
Speaker 3: in the heat of the moment, if there's ever a disagreement,
Speaker 3: I can't. I just physically cannot say anything because I'm
Speaker 3: just like, I just know, I don't even know what
Speaker 3: I think right now because there's just so much going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard when I'm like hello, hello, hoo, hello,
Speaker 1: But tell me. Following on from the French toaster Barker,
Speaker 1: which we covered on Tuesday show. Jordan Seemy has clapped
Speaker 1: back at his followers with a sarcastic Instagram story. So
Speaker 1: whilst at Melbourne Cup celebrations, he reshared a photo of
Speaker 1: himself with a female friend and wrote psa female on
Speaker 1: my Instagram alert, this is my friend of five years,
Speaker 1: my sister, if you will.
Speaker 2: I thought I would just put this.
Speaker 1: On here in case you guys think otherwise. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's actually pretty funny, Like he is funny. But the
Speaker 1: thing that I have to question is, well, where is Sammy?
Speaker 1: Because she's not making an appearance on his Instagram feed.
Speaker 1: She's also not following him anymore, and he's not following her,
Speaker 1: So I would like to know what's going on. Maybe
Speaker 1: this is why Sammy likes him. He seems to have
Speaker 1: quite a good sense of humor. He's the bad boy,
Speaker 1: isn't here? You want to hate him, but then he's
Speaker 1: sort of funny at the same time, sort of charming.
Speaker 2: I feel like he's gas lighting us into play.
Speaker 1: He's still with Sammy even though the pair aren't following
Speaker 1: each other. Well, I feel like we're just gonna have
Speaker 1: to wait and see what else Jordan puts on.
Speaker 2: I'm sure he'll get her back again. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So the first time was Macki's right Zaka and I
Speaker 4: saw was in the club and I was like, I
Speaker 4: love that. And then the other ones I've saw were
Speaker 4: sent to me personally.
Speaker 1: And Dm Leviolan de page Thorn has broken her silence
Speaker 1: on her from Adam Collard. The twenty five year old
Speaker 1: paramedic says VIP toilets and McDonald's runs led to the
Speaker 1: public downfall of their relationship. So before we get into it,
Speaker 1: can you give us a little bit of a refresher
Speaker 1: amy on who the couple are. Yeah, so Paige was
Speaker 1: a fan favourite from day one on Love Island. She
Speaker 1: coupled up with Jax after being a little unlucky in
Speaker 1: love in the first couple of episodes, and then she
Speaker 1: famously got screwed over by Jack's in cassa Amore and
Speaker 1: moved on to Adam Collard. So Adam was actually on
Speaker 1: series four and he came back onto the new series
Speaker 1: of Love Island sort of as a bit of a redemption. Well,
Speaker 1: apparently he was the contestant that had coupled up with
Speaker 1: the most contestants ever until Denika came on the show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he coupled up with four different women in only
Speaker 1: two weeks. So he entered the villa as part of
Speaker 1: a twist where he could steal one of the girls
Speaker 1: who was already coupled up, So he picked Kendall Ray Knight,
Speaker 1: but then he swiftly dumped her a week later for
Speaker 1: a new arrival called Rosie Williams. Then a few days
Speaker 1: later he dumped Rosie for another new arrival, which was
Speaker 1: Zara McDermott. Did I actually watched this series of Love
Speaker 1: Island and I can't place the first two girls. I
Speaker 1: know who Zara is because I think I actually followed
Speaker 1: Adam and Zara for a while on Instagram because they
Speaker 1: were together outside of the villa for I think just
Speaker 1: under a year. Yeah, they were together for eight months,
Speaker 1: but a lot of controversy was started because Rosie tried
Speaker 1: to call Adam out for giving her the cold shoulder,
Speaker 1: and Adam suggested that his supposed behavior was all in
Speaker 1: Rosie's head and this led to a lot of backlash
Speaker 1: from viewers and also the domestic violence charity Women's Aid,
Speaker 1: so they actually issued a warning to viewers about gas
Speaker 1: lighting and emotional abuse, and that's where I feel like
Speaker 1: the term gas lighting really came into sort of common language. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm surprised that Love Island led him back on the show,
Speaker 1: really because he just came across as a bit of
Speaker 1: a douche. But he kept saying that he had redeemed himself,
Speaker 1: and he always spoke about how he had experienced what
Speaker 1: fame was like outside of the villa. So he was
Speaker 1: a great option for Page because he'd.
Speaker 2: Gotten it out of his syst.
Speaker 1: He warned her that all the other guys would beg
Speaker 1: and caught up in that sort of nightclub scene after leaving.
Speaker 1: He seemed so much older than the other Islanders though,
Speaker 1: and he's only like twenty six.
Speaker 2: I feel like that is old in England, you.
Speaker 1: Have babies really young. Well, in Love Island, he's an
Speaker 1: older Islander. But everybody did warn Page against Adam. She
Speaker 1: hadn't actually seen his series of Love Island, but all
Speaker 1: the other women seemed turned off by him. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: it wasn't really that surprising when in September a video
Speaker 1: emerged on TikTok of Adam CosIng up to a mystery
Speaker 1: blonde woman at MacDonald's after a night out, so in
Speaker 1: the video we also see him leaving the McDonald's with her.
Speaker 2: He had his arms all.
Speaker 1: Over her and this video attracted a lot of attention
Speaker 1: on TikTok, so at the time, Adam's reps had to
Speaker 1: put out a statement and they denied that there was
Speaker 1: anything untoward going on. They said Adam headed to McDonald's
Speaker 1: after a night out with friends. His friends were alongside
Speaker 1: him when a group of girls asked for photos, and Adam,
Speaker 1: being his friendly self, was open to posing and chatting
Speaker 1: to the girls. Adam understands how his video looks, but
Speaker 1: wants to state that he left the restaurant with his
Speaker 1: friends and a box of sixty nuggets with nothing or
Speaker 1: no one else with the intention of getting home.
Speaker 2: Save sixty nuggets.
Speaker 1: I don't really understand why this random inclusion of sixty
Speaker 1: nuggets in. They're trying to be funny like ha ha
Speaker 1: or such time. I prove that he's not out rooting
Speaker 1: a girl, because you're not going to eat like sixty
Speaker 1: nuggets before you try and impress some girl. It's a
Speaker 1: very odd inclusion. And they finished up the statement by
Speaker 1: saying that Adam and Page are currently dating and Adam
Speaker 1: only has eyes for her. It was a very bizarre statement.
Speaker 1: It was not really professionally written either. I love the
Speaker 1: pages come out since and set the records straight on
Speaker 1: the Saving Grace podcast, So she confirmed that she is single,
Speaker 1: and she went into depth about the cheating scandal. So
Speaker 1: the host asked Page she knew the girl in the
Speaker 1: MacDonald's video, and Page confirmed that she has no clue
Speaker 1: who the girl is and that she is not a
Speaker 1: friend of Adam's like he claims. Well, it was kind
Speaker 1: of awkward because Adam initially came out and said, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's a friend of mine. Then he had to come
Speaker 1: out and say, oh, she was just a fan, Like
Speaker 1: it was all just muddled. My favorite part of the
Speaker 1: interview was when Page referred to McDonald's as Mackie's.
Speaker 2: I'm so cute Page, she was so.
Speaker 1: Cute in that interview. She kept saying these one line
Speaker 1: as well on my violent and then she's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I wasn't portrayed as myself.
Speaker 2: It's like you were exactly what I saw on the show. Well,
Speaker 2: Page did.
Speaker 1: Drop a huge bomb during that interview because she said
Speaker 1: there's a lot more to the story than is already
Speaker 1: in the public domain. So she said that there are
Speaker 1: way more incriminating videos that the public don't know about.
Speaker 1: So she explained that she has received lots of videos
Speaker 1: in her dms from that night, and they filmed Adam's
Speaker 1: behavior at the nightclub.
Speaker 2: So they were at the nightclub before. Yeah, Mackie, that's right.
Speaker 1: So one video showed Adam going into a VIP toilet
Speaker 1: with a random girl.
Speaker 2: Here's what Paige said, do you.
Speaker 4: Know what, It's not just some videos. There are other
Speaker 4: videos which other people don't know about.
Speaker 2: So it's a lot more too, with different people, the
Speaker 2: different people.
Speaker 4: Of the same night in different locations. That's so bad
Speaker 4: is because I was sat there and I was like,
Speaker 4: at first, like, nagin know what, It's just an arm
Speaker 4: I get, everyone's a little bit flirty. It's nothing to it.
Speaker 4: I'm in the club and a guy put some rummy.
Speaker 1: Is it she in? No?
Speaker 4: And then these other videos come out yeah, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: I can't justify this with other girls. Yeah, with other guys,
Speaker 4: their bedrooms involved, more like vip toilets. That it's fine,
Speaker 4: It's fine, keep a fay baby.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well apparently not.
Speaker 1: I felt so sorry for her because Page revealed that
Speaker 1: she found all this out at exactly the same time
Speaker 1: as the general public. What a burn though, for Adam
Speaker 1: Khllard to reveal that, because it just plays into that
Speaker 1: image people had of him before his second appearance on
Speaker 1: Love as Well.
Speaker 2: She said that she got collar.
Speaker 1: Aded and that term was going around social media when
Speaker 1: he was on Love Island in series four. It's really
Speaker 1: unfortunate though, because Page now is getting controlled because a
Speaker 1: lot of people preferred her with Jack's over Adam Collard.
Speaker 1: Because I still feel like there was something dodgy going
Speaker 1: on with the show, like they made Jacks look so
Speaker 1: good when he was clearly kicked out for bad behavior.
Speaker 1: She did touch on that, and she said that there
Speaker 1: was no funny business about it because people were saying, oh,
Speaker 1: did he abuse Adam and was he forced to leave?
Speaker 1: But she said no, he genuinely had to leave for
Speaker 1: his mental health. Well, the host, Grace I loved how
Speaker 1: she asked all those tough questions. So she did say,
Speaker 1: is there a chance that you would get back together
Speaker 1: with Jack's? And Paige revealed that there has been slight
Speaker 1: contact between the pair, but she confirmed that no lip
Speaker 1: action has taken place yet, and she said that obviously
Speaker 1: they had a vibe in there. However, he did her over,
Speaker 1: so she's going to see where things go. But she
Speaker 1: did say I'm in zero rush to be with any
Speaker 1: other man because men are trash. She literally said men
Speaker 1: are trash several times and this obviously stirred up a
Speaker 1: lot of media attention, with everyone assuming that she and
Speaker 1: Jack's was getting back together, but she later confirmed that
Speaker 1: they've literally only had one phone call and they're just
Speaker 1: friends at the moment. Do you know who is feeling
Speaker 1: very smug worried about now, Paige's mum, because Page's mum
Speaker 1: infamously came on the show on the last couple of
Speaker 1: episodes where they came into the villa and met the
Speaker 1: couple and was like, I don't like out, He's bad news. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a big I told you so a moment
Speaker 1: for her. What I hated was that Paige also revealed
Speaker 1: in another interview that Adam literally ghosted her after the
Speaker 1: whole MacDonald's video incident. So he was actually on holidays
Speaker 1: in Bali and she was still in the UK, and
Speaker 1: she said that he wasn't texting her back, so he
Speaker 1: would leave her messages on red for the entire day,
Speaker 1: and she said that at that moment she knew that
Speaker 1: they were done and it was beyond a joke. So
Speaker 1: Adam finally did reply, and he all he said was
Speaker 1: I didn't want it to go this way, but at
Speaker 1: least we both know where we stand.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, what a wankert.
Speaker 1: He made her his girlfriend after coming out of the villa.
Speaker 1: Another thing that really surprised me because I think Paige
Speaker 1: is just such a catch. I can't believe these guys
Speaker 1: continue to treat her like this. So Paige was engaged
Speaker 1: prior to the show, and she was working as a
Speaker 1: paramedic and got a text message from her fiance dumping
Speaker 1: her whilst on her shift.
Speaker 2: Yeah, whilst on her shift. Poor thing. So then about
Speaker 2: a week later she noticed.
Speaker 1: That he was already on Tinder, so she thought, fuck it,
Speaker 1: I'm going to go on Love Island. He can watch
Speaker 1: me in a bikini flirting with guys all summer.
Speaker 2: What a fuck you?
Speaker 1: Good morning everybody. Lily Brown has opened up about a
Speaker 1: relationship and financial status during an Instagram Q and A
Speaker 1: on Tuesday Night. The Sleepwere Entrepreneur also slammed podcasts and
Speaker 1: people who tried to find gossip out about her. Okay,
Speaker 1: I feel like we're in the firing line a little
Speaker 1: bit there.
Speaker 2: What did Lily have to say? I know it was
Speaker 2: a little bit awkward.
Speaker 1: Well, she was answering a question about whether she sees
Speaker 1: herself being an influencer forever, and she said no because
Speaker 1: she likes her privacy. Now, she went on to say, though, ironically,
Speaker 1: keeping things private actually makes people more intrigued. Lily said
Speaker 1: she gets the whole you signed up for this bullshit,
Speaker 1: but she then went to say, going out of your
Speaker 1: way to find information about someone, stalk their socials, stalk
Speaker 1: my socials, message my friends for tea have podcasts, and
Speaker 1: all this fake news written and said about you or
Speaker 1: your friends and stuff that I have purposely kept offline
Speaker 1: is fucking trash behavior in my opinion. She also revealed
Speaker 1: that she's taken a step back from posting because she
Speaker 1: was tired of everyone picking apart her opinion. Now, is
Speaker 1: this in reference to her boyfriend that she her previous
Speaker 1: boyfriend that she didn't want to have on social I
Speaker 1: think it's all down to the whole Brownie incident when
Speaker 1: her and m Davies decided to share that they were
Speaker 1: taking a weed brownie before going to Balley. I think
Speaker 1: there would have been a lot of journals digging for
Speaker 1: information about her and m Davies. Look, I actually agree
Speaker 1: with Amy. I think it's more about her relationships because
Speaker 1: she has kept her last two boyfriends offline and there
Speaker 1: has been a lot of speculation which will go into
Speaker 1: about her and Christian.
Speaker 2: How the thing is.
Speaker 1: I can see where Lily is coming from regarding people
Speaker 1: messaging her friends for tea like that's too far. However,
Speaker 1: I think slamming people for looking at her page that's
Speaker 1: public and then looking at someone else's page that's public
Speaker 1: and putting two and two together, particularly when she has
Speaker 1: been dropping all these clues about her and this Christian
Speaker 1: how guy, Like she's not talking, She's posted so many
Speaker 1: TikTok's flirting with him, She's put up Q and A's
Speaker 1: on YouTube talking about how she slept with some guy
Speaker 1: in Barley. Like, clearly people are interested in going to
Speaker 1: put two and two together. It's a bit like the
Speaker 1: Jordan Simmy thing, Like you can't dangle this bit of
Speaker 1: information in front of people and expect people not to
Speaker 1: look further into it. When you've revealed so many details
Speaker 1: previously about your life, people are going to be interested
Speaker 1: at human nature, That's the thing. The alternative is people
Speaker 1: no longer being interested in your life and unfollowing you.
Speaker 1: I don't know why people get so worked up about
Speaker 1: fun tea or drama. I know it wouldn't be nice
Speaker 1: if people are abusing you, but you've almost just got.
Speaker 2: To have a bit of a laugh about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the thing is you can't expect to monopolize
Speaker 1: on your status as an influencer but then not take
Speaker 1: the bad that comes with the good. It's like essentially
Speaker 1: biting the hand that feeds you. I mean, Lily has
Speaker 1: a very successful sleepwear brand based on the fact that
Speaker 1: she is an influencer and has created this audience for herself.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's pretty interesting because there are so many
Speaker 1: people like Lily, like Shahnee Grimmand and Sammy Robbins and
Speaker 1: these og influencers that are trying to make this switch
Speaker 1: influencer to successful business woman and entrepreneur, and I'm wondering
Speaker 1: how that's going to go if some of them do
Speaker 1: actually step away from last. So I think the different
Speaker 1: thing is for instance, with Sammy Robinson. Obviously I am
Speaker 1: a fan of her. I think that she is actually
Speaker 1: quite talented with fashion. She's very fashion forward. That is
Speaker 1: obviously a strength of hers, so I think that her brand.
Speaker 1: If Sammy doesn't have a huge profile, I think Sammy's
Speaker 1: brand would still be popular. However, perhaps something like a
Speaker 1: sleepwear brand, which is a bit of a dimer does,
Speaker 1: and I don't know whether that popularity would extend when
Speaker 1: Lily Brown perhaps is no longer popular on social media.
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting that these influencers are turning to
Speaker 1: the business world because I think what they've realized is
Speaker 1: that when you're young, it seems probably fun to be
Speaker 1: famous and people know everything about you and pay for
Speaker 1: not doing much, and they've experienced what that's actually like
Speaker 1: and have realized that it's shit. And now they can see, oh,
Speaker 1: actually I can earn all this money through do my
Speaker 1: own business, staying off my social west that has the
Speaker 1: income it is And I think that they it shows
Speaker 1: that they've actually sort of matured. Yeah, it is interesting,
Speaker 1: and I think because influencing is so relatively new, we
Speaker 1: are going to start seeing whether that if that is
Speaker 1: a success or not for these people. Now, despite Lily
Speaker 1: saying she was sick of people speculating about things that
Speaker 1: she was keen to keep private, she did bread crumb
Speaker 1: more information about her relationship with Christian House. So just
Speaker 1: to remind you guys, back in September, when she was
Speaker 1: holidaying in Bali, Lily shared several videos to TikTok with
Speaker 1: Christian and they were very flirtatious, so they did a
Speaker 1: muk bung where there was a lot of sexual innuendo.
Speaker 1: They also filmed a video of them slapping each other
Speaker 1: in the face with Tutias, and later on, as I mentioned,
Speaker 1: Lily did a Q and A with Michael Finch where
Speaker 1: she confirmed she had slept with someone in Balley. So
Speaker 1: everyone is putting it all together and thinking that is Christian.
Speaker 1: So basically Lily's Q and A was filled with questions
Speaker 1: about Christian, and Lily confirmed that she doesn't have a
Speaker 1: boyfriend and isn't dating Christian. She said that she does
Speaker 1: love him dearly though, and he's very special to her.
Speaker 1: Else then wrote why don't you just date Christian? You
Speaker 1: have great chemistry, and she wrote this seems a bit invasive, Haha,
Speaker 1: We definitely do. Neither of us are looking at getting
Speaker 1: into a relationship. At the moment, we enjoy each other's
Speaker 1: company as friends. So just keeping it that way for now.
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying about it now, So no one
Speaker 1: asks any more questions, please. I think it's quite clear
Speaker 1: from looking at his profile and just looking, not stalking,
Speaker 1: from looking at his profile that he's living this different
Speaker 1: lifestyle in Bali. He's living this single guy lifestyle plarting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he looks like a fuck boy. I'm sure that they
Speaker 1: probably there was something going on between them, but they've
Speaker 1: reached that point where no one's ready to commit. I
Speaker 1: love this notion of here's some more information about me
Speaker 1: and Christian, but don't ask any more questions. I need
Speaker 1: you guys to help explain this, and maybe some people
Speaker 1: in the Facebook community can so. When I was having
Speaker 1: a look at these videos on TikTok, influencer m Davies,
Speaker 1: who was on the trip with Lily, kept leaving these
Speaker 1: two emojis on Lily and also Christian's videos.
Speaker 2: So I get the egg plant emoji. But before it
Speaker 2: was an otter.
Speaker 1: Aren't otters really set active or don't they like go
Speaker 1: down on one another? Or something isn't there some weird
Speaker 1: thing with otters. I don't know, is that some reference
Speaker 1: to a vagina?
Speaker 2: It's collecting drift? Is it meant to that's beaver? Yeah?
Speaker 2: But is it meant to be like collecting a plan?
Speaker 1: But isn't it like isn't there's not an emoji of
Speaker 1: a beaver? So is that the closest one? I think
Speaker 1: there is a bever e it's someone who's more in
Speaker 1: tuned with what's going on in the Facebook community. Can
Speaker 1: you let us know? I found the way that Lily
Speaker 1: spoke about money really interesting, and it is clear now
Speaker 1: that she has a business, so her priorities are changing.
Speaker 1: And one of Lily's followers said to her, I'll get
Speaker 1: that doo or bag that you're always talking about, and
Speaker 1: she responded saying, couldn't imagine spending that money on a
Speaker 1: fucking handbag these days? Haha, Not when you've got people's
Speaker 1: wages to pay. She also revealed that she is no
Speaker 1: longer getting a new car, so she said that she
Speaker 1: had to pull the pin on it because there's a
Speaker 1: few big invoices for chill coming up, and that she
Speaker 1: had to put her big girl pants on and think
Speaker 1: about what's more important. Now. I'm not trying to be
Speaker 1: a dick, but my heart doesn't really bleed for Oh no,
Speaker 1: I can't get my k new car. I don't think
Speaker 1: she's trying to say that. I think she's actually just
Speaker 1: opening up and saying, I'm actually investing in this business.
Speaker 2: She obviously wants.
Speaker 1: To be known as more than just an influencer. She
Speaker 1: wants her business taken seriously. Well, the thing is, she
Speaker 1: did say that she's thinking of selling her current car,
Speaker 1: which is a Mercedes, and you might remember it from
Speaker 1: a vlog that she did, So she has changed a
Speaker 1: lot when you think about her priorities now, because I
Speaker 1: remember that it was this big thing when she got
Speaker 1: the Mercedes and she did a vlog showing everyone around it,
Speaker 1: and now she's thinking of downsizing her car so she
Speaker 1: can use the money to go to Europe. Are you
Speaker 1: excited at this? Are you excited at this?
Speaker 3: She's going to give them such ugly names, that's like
Speaker 3: can worm mer cute names like come on, you can't
Speaker 3: beat that.
Speaker 1: Anna Paul has surprised her mum with a Sphinx cat.
Speaker 1: The latest edition is the Paul family's third hairless cat.
Speaker 1: I just love that they keep collecting these hairless cats
Speaker 1: because I feel like it's a big fuck you to
Speaker 1: everyone that was saying that it was a publicity stunt,
Speaker 1: because about a year and a half ago, when Anna
Speaker 1: announced that she was getting a new Sphinx cat and
Speaker 1: had named it Nutsack, the whole internet went into meltdown,
Speaker 1: including ourselves. We thought it was stupid, and we were
Speaker 1: very skeptical about it. We didn't think it was stupid
Speaker 1: that she was getting a cat. We thought it was
Speaker 1: a bit disrespectful to call the cat nutsack. But now
Speaker 1: now that I know her person, you know, or Nutty,
Speaker 1: Now I love her, Now I love the cats. I'm like,
Speaker 1: what's kind of funny? Well, apparently Anna said that someone
Speaker 1: even called animal services on them, was okay?
Speaker 2: Or was that a listener from the podcast?
Speaker 1: Well, I think Anna and her brother Adas have definitely
Speaker 1: proven the skeptics wrong because Adas has his own Sphinx
Speaker 1: cat called Mister Wormy, and Anna of course has Nutsack,
Speaker 1: and they're very dedicated to their cats, so you'll often
Speaker 1: see on their TikTok that they have personalized accessories with
Speaker 1: their cats on it. They even have a new artwork
Speaker 1: in their house of mister WORMI are nutsack.
Speaker 2: That was my favorite part of the video.
Speaker 1: When it flashed onto that artwork, I was like, I
Speaker 1: need to get one of these if my cats Gg
Speaker 1: and Betley was so funny. They're really part of the
Speaker 1: Paul Family brand now because they even appeared on the
Speaker 1: stack stickers. They were stick as a wearing and nutsack.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the video that Anna shared about getting this new
Speaker 1: hairless cat was really cute. So Anna explained that her
Speaker 1: mom's dog Angel had passed away three years ago and
Speaker 1: that her mum still had a lot of love to give,
Speaker 1: so she decided that she wanted to get a kitten
Speaker 1: for her as a surprise. Now I need to throw
Speaker 1: to this clip because it really cracked me up. When
Speaker 1: Anna was talking about cats.
Speaker 2: I just loved it.
Speaker 1: Because she had to explain that she was talking about
Speaker 1: her cat and she literally held up knotsack and he
Speaker 1: just looked like a nutsack.
Speaker 2: Like it was just so funny.
Speaker 1: Now, after picking up the cat, Anna and her boyfriend
Speaker 1: Glenn and also Adas stopped off at kmart to get
Speaker 1: the kit in a blanket because apparently sphinx kittens get
Speaker 1: really cold and they start shivering if they're not covered.
Speaker 2: In a blanket.
Speaker 1: So Anna ended up wrapping the kitten in this blanket
Speaker 1: and put it inside a gift box and present it
Speaker 1: to her mum. Now, I think her mum was expecting
Speaker 1: some sort of designer handbag. So when she opened it
Speaker 1: up until this came ut rug, she's kind of like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: I thought you were going to say that the bold
Speaker 1: cat was in there, and she's like.
Speaker 2: What is this?
Speaker 1: She thought it was glazed donuts. She thought it was
Speaker 1: going to be a box of donuts. So she suddenly
Speaker 1: saw the cat's head poking out and got very excited,
Speaker 1: and they kept saying like, oh, yeah, Adie has got
Speaker 1: a blanket. Glenn's got a blanket. Because when she opened
Speaker 1: up the blanket box, and it just reminded me on
Speaker 1: South Park when they kept saying blanket when they had
Speaker 1: that micro tracks on the episode Blanket. I'm dying to
Speaker 1: know what this cat is called. Charlie's got a funny name.
Speaker 1: So I found it pretty funny because in the video,
Speaker 1: Anna and Addis were like saying how worried they were
Speaker 1: that the mum was going to call it something bad,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, are you're seriously so now followers were
Speaker 1: very keen to find out the name. Someone wrote in
Speaker 1: the comments asking like, haws, your mom come up with
Speaker 1: a name, and Anna said her mom hadn't named it
Speaker 1: yet because she wanted to get a feel for it
Speaker 1: his personality. Anna added, We're hoping it's something cute. Mom
Speaker 1: is weird with names. Now I can see where Anna
Speaker 1: was coming from, because when they finally revealed the name, there.
Speaker 2: Was this full story.
Speaker 1: So her mom is German, and apparently Anna and Addas
Speaker 1: actually only speak to the mum in German, which I
Speaker 1: really interesting. And Anna was explaining that her mum loved
Speaker 1: the show Pippy Long Stockings, the German version of it,
Speaker 1: and apparently there was this monkey that was her pet
Speaker 1: and it had some strange German name which I'm not
Speaker 1: even going to try pronouncing, even though I have German heritage.
Speaker 1: So there were all these like weird names, and then
Speaker 1: Annas like, why don't you just call it Pippy? So
Speaker 1: they've gone with Pippy, not Penis or something pippy nuts.
Speaker 2: I think penis is just well, I suppose not. That's
Speaker 2: pretty of it.
Speaker 1: It could sound like Peep peep and pepe.
Speaker 2: You're above everyone.
Speaker 1: You do, you do your work grounds on your high helps.
Speaker 2: I'm used to don't even fucking know me. I don't
Speaker 2: want to you crack on with your thing and you
Speaker 2: and your fringe.
Speaker 4: Can oh my god, the mouth be.
Speaker 1: This week, millions of Instagram users were reeling after discovery
Speaker 1: they'd either been logged out of their accounts or told
Speaker 1: their accounts were suspended. Now, kay, you were one of
Speaker 1: those people either got a friend antique message at about
Speaker 1: one am.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: So I was actually going to like a photo of
Speaker 1: your dog on Instagram and something had like screen white
Speaker 1: screen popped up, and I was like, your account's been suspended,
Speaker 1: and I was like what, Yeah, I got so confused
Speaker 1: because your comment disappeared. Yeah, and I was so annoyed
Speaker 1: because I was like, have I done something wrong? And
Speaker 1: I read the list of things that you know, apparently
Speaker 1: why your account get to spend it suspended. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I haven't even done any of it. I know. I
Speaker 1: loved it because I was frantically googling. And then this
Speaker 1: news article popped up. It was actually on the Daily
Speaker 1: Mail that said so many users had been suspended. It
Speaker 1: was a huge Instagram glitch, and I was like, thank
Speaker 1: goodness because it's your Hends party coming up. As we've
Speaker 1: discussed it, I need to share my snapping clar So
Speaker 1: this problem was solved by Instagram within a few hours
Speaker 1: and they did apologize, so they said, we've resolved this
Speaker 1: bug now. It was causing people in different parts of
Speaker 1: the world to have issues accessing their accounts and it
Speaker 1: caused a temporary change for some of the numbers of followers. Sorry,
Speaker 1: so lots of people were freaking out. Everyone turned to
Speaker 1: Twitter because Instagram was down and like my business profile
Speaker 1: and dropping thousands and thousands of followers. So Cristiano Ronaldo
Speaker 1: his follower account dropped by three million, isn't that because
Speaker 1: he's the most followed, one of the most followed people
Speaker 1: on Instagram. He has got four hundred and ninety three million,
Speaker 1: so I don't think he would have been missing those
Speaker 1: three million. Within a few hours they were back on.
Speaker 1: So basically it shows you how many people were affected
Speaker 1: because three million followers of his their accounts are affected,
Speaker 1: so they disappeared. I'm not one of them, no, but
Speaker 1: there has been similar issues with the app in the
Speaker 1: past where users have been unable to access their accounts. However,
Speaker 1: they've never been told their accounts were suspended. So users
Speaker 1: who were sent this suspension notice were given the opportunity
Speaker 1: to appeal the decision within thirty days, but the notice
Speaker 1: said that if we can't confirm your account.
Speaker 2: It will be permanently deleted.
Speaker 1: I freaked out because I was trying to fill out
Speaker 1: the form to say I haven't done anything wrong, can
Speaker 1: you please reneg on this, and then it wouldn't let
Speaker 1: me send it because then I had to verify my
Speaker 1: intro gram account, which I couldn't log into, So.
Speaker 2: I was like, this is fuck.
Speaker 1: Do we actually think that this was a glitch or
Speaker 1: do we think this was a cyber attack on Instagram.
Speaker 1: I think it was a glitch and it has actually
Speaker 1: resulted in the shares of Mesa who owns Instagram going down,
Speaker 1: So on the day of the outage, their stock price
Speaker 1: fell by five percent. So maybe TikTok, maybe TikTok tried
Speaker 1: to get in there. Well, Sophie, there is a theory
Speaker 1: that the suspension messages may be a sign of things
Speaker 1: to come, and this isn't for the users who receive them,
Speaker 1: but these are for the hundreds of thousands of bought
Speaker 1: accounts that are currently in existence. Because back in September,
Speaker 1: there were media reports that some of the world's biggest
Speaker 1: Instagram accounts were losing millions of followers. So Bernardo again,
Speaker 1: he dropped by one point six million followers and Kim
Speaker 1: Kardashian lost two point four million followers. I feel like
Speaker 1: we've got to explain what bot accounts are because they
Speaker 1: are predominantly fake accounts, so basically.
Speaker 2: Not finsters, but not finsters.
Speaker 1: Yes, so it's companies who have created fake accounts to
Speaker 1: then sell followers to people. Yeah, so it doesn't necessarily
Speaker 1: mean that people like Kristin Ronaldo and Kim Kardashian have
Speaker 1: bought the bots. That's exactly right, Sophie. So everybody on
Speaker 1: Instagram has bot accounts following them. So the CEO of
Speaker 1: hype Auditor, which is a program that audits social media accounts,
Speaker 1: he said that he suspects the drop in numbers is
Speaker 1: due to Instagram purging in active or fraudulent accounts. So
Speaker 1: he said it's common for Instagram as well as Twitter
Speaker 1: and YouTube to do this from time to time. So
Speaker 1: it's not a reflection on celebrities like Kim Kardashian because
Speaker 1: everybody has these bots following them. That being said, it
Speaker 1: can be a reflection on some influence definite accounts because
Speaker 1: there are a number of influencers who would have started
Speaker 1: off by buying accounts to make their accounts look legit,
Speaker 1: and I think that they're the ones who are probably
Speaker 1: very worried about this coming out. Well, that's right, Sophe,
Speaker 1: because follower fraud is one of the most prevalent issues
Speaker 1: that has arisen in the influencer space, and I've found
Speaker 1: this stat really startling. So according to Statista, forty nine
Speaker 1: percent of Instagram influencers participated in follower fraud. Really, like,
Speaker 1: do you mean over the last ten years or more recently. Well,
Speaker 1: they traced accounts from twenty twenty one and they said
Speaker 1: of the accounts they looked at, there was over one
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty million accounts, forty nine percent of them
Speaker 1: had fake followers. And further investigation showed that one in
Speaker 1: four influencers purchased fifteen percent of their total followers, and
Speaker 1: every three and four influencers purchased over ten thousand followers.
Speaker 1: So the main reason, as you said, Sophie, is probably
Speaker 1: when these wanna be influencers first start their accounts, a
Speaker 1: lot of people will go and buy say ten thousand followers,
Speaker 1: so they look legit and they have that social proof.
Speaker 1: Well that's the thing. A lot of our clients with
Speaker 1: our PR company, who immediate, they will ask us, how
Speaker 1: can I tell if this person has a legitimate following?
Speaker 1: And one of the best ways is to look through
Speaker 1: who follows them and you can quickly determine whether someone
Speaker 1: is a bot account or not. But it is really
Speaker 1: difficult because some people even go as far as purchasing
Speaker 1: likes and also views. So I had to deal with
Speaker 1: an influencer who was ripping this business off. So she
Speaker 1: went into this business. She was being paid to post
Speaker 1: and also use some of their products, and she ended
Speaker 1: up paying for thousands of views and thousands of likes
Speaker 1: to make it look really popular. But they literally had
Speaker 1: no one calling in to go and do the same
Speaker 1: experience as her, So they were like, what is going on?
Speaker 1: Why isn't this making sense? And that's the thing where
Speaker 1: influencers start getting caught out. Because you can have a
Speaker 1: large following, you can buy your followers, you can buy
Speaker 1: your likes, you can buy your views. But when you
Speaker 1: start launching your own brand and no one's buying it
Speaker 1: because literally everyone that follows you is fake or working
Speaker 1: with other brands and using discounacteries where they can track
Speaker 1: how popular you've been.
Speaker 2: You can literally get found out.
Speaker 1: And I think we've seen that with quite a few
Speaker 1: Australian influences when they go out on their own and
Speaker 1: they're not as successful as you would expect them to be.
Speaker 1: And there are some big influencers who may have legitimately
Speaker 1: built a following, but then some of them will actually
Speaker 1: go and buy fowers as well because they want to
Speaker 1: be seen to be growing their following because that is
Speaker 1: really appealing to brand because brands are more likely to
Speaker 1: partner with an influencer who shows follower growth. Now, all
Speaker 1: of this talk about influencers losing followers, maybe want to
Speaker 1: do a bit of an investigation of my own into
Speaker 1: Australian influences.
Speaker 2: So I had to look at some of the biggest.
Speaker 1: Influencers in Australia that we talk about often, and people
Speaker 1: like Tyliscaines and Sammy Robinson. They both lost followers on
Speaker 1: the Monday when Instagram had their sort of crash and
Speaker 1: ended up regaining them the next day. It was the
Speaker 1: same for Saffron Baker, a UK influencer, and Michael Finch.
Speaker 1: They all regained the thousands of followers they lost, but
Speaker 1: I saw something really strange. So people like Madison Wooley
Speaker 1: and Sarah's Day, they both over the last thirty days
Speaker 1: have lost over three thousand followers and they weren't affected
Speaker 1: on the Monday at all. And this trend seems to
Speaker 1: be continuing across the last couple of months, where they
Speaker 1: are just consistently losing thousands of followers. Yeah. I noticed
Speaker 1: it too with Shany Grimm and she losing a lot
Speaker 1: of followers every single day. Tylia Scaines lost six thousand
Speaker 1: this month. So do we think that this is part
Speaker 1: of Instagram's clearing out of body counts or do we
Speaker 1: think this is because their content isn't popular. I actually
Speaker 1: think it may have something to do with the bots.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's more difficult now to actually purchase followers than
Speaker 1: it was at the start of the year because a
Speaker 1: lot of these influences like Madison Woolly, Sarah's Day, Shanie
Speaker 1: grimmand they all at the start of the year were
Speaker 1: gaining thousands.
Speaker 2: And thousands of follows.
Speaker 1: I mean I saw Madison Willy and in August twenty
Speaker 1: nineteen gain over forty five thousand followers in one week.
Speaker 2: That which is very suspicious.
Speaker 1: And to put that into perspective, someone like Abby Chatfield
Speaker 1: who was on The Bachelor, she gained fifty thousand followers
Speaker 1: in a week because she was on the show. Well,
Speaker 1: I think that's all we've got time for today. Thank
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