WEBVTT - Lily Brown's Relationship Status, Anna Paul's Surprising Gift, Paige Thorne's Messy Split & Instagram's Suspending Spree

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<v Speaker 1>On today's show, Lilli Brown opens up about her relationship status,

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<v Speaker 1>Anapaul's surprising gift for her mum, Love Island's Page Thorn

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<v Speaker 1>breaks her silence on MESSI split from Adam Collard and

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram's suspending spree. Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your

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<v Speaker 1>dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture news twice

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<v Speaker 1>a week. I'm Kate Torbert and I'm very excited because

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<v Speaker 1>it's only one sleep to go until my Hen's weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so excited too.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Amy Torbert and Sofa and I have just left

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<v Speaker 1>Kate waiting because we had to make a dash. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a Facebook marketplace dash for a mystery item for

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<v Speaker 1>your hands. That makes more sense because they're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we've just got to drive down to Mount Barker, which

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<v Speaker 1>is quite a drive.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, what the hell could possibly be there?

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<v Speaker 1>We have to share on Instagram after your HENS party.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't want to ruin the surprise, but it's pretty

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<v Speaker 1>funny what.

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<v Speaker 2>We picked up. It's a bit of a riskue item's

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<v Speaker 2>got that risk. I'm going to be happy about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm Sophie Tolbert and I've been the chief party

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<v Speaker 1>planner for this event. So I'm actually really looking forward

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<v Speaker 1>to the it's sort of being over. I have this

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<v Speaker 1>huge Excel spreadsheet where I'm just stressing. I've got so

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<v Speaker 1>many different things I've got to do tomorrow. So what

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<v Speaker 1>about me. I've got to make a Penis pinard are you?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, that just sounds like something you would do.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you making this from hand? Like ay? I have

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<v Speaker 2>been looking up YouTube die.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, Please tell me that you're finished, because

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<v Speaker 1>it's tomorrow. Please don't stay up all night and make

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<v Speaker 1>us late. She's putting the finishing time.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 3>I do believe like I do internalizings, and I shut

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<v Speaker 3>down in the moment until it's sort of simmered and

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<v Speaker 3>we both understand each other these perspectives and then we

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<v Speaker 3>talk about it. Then I'm way better at that. But

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<v Speaker 3>in the heat of the moment, if there's ever a disagreement,

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<v Speaker 3>I can't. I just physically cannot say anything because I'm

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<v Speaker 3>just like, I just know, I don't even know what

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<v Speaker 3>I think right now because there's just so much going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's hard when I'm like hello, hello, hoo, hello,

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<v Speaker 1>But tell me. Following on from the French toaster Barker,

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<v Speaker 1>which we covered on Tuesday show. Jordan Seemy has clapped

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<v Speaker 1>back at his followers with a sarcastic Instagram story. So

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<v Speaker 1>whilst at Melbourne Cup celebrations, he reshared a photo of

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<v Speaker 1>himself with a female friend and wrote psa female on

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<v Speaker 1>my Instagram alert, this is my friend of five years,

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<v Speaker 1>my sister, if you will.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought I would just put this.

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<v Speaker 1>On here in case you guys think otherwise. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that's actually pretty funny, Like he is funny. But the

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<v Speaker 1>thing that I have to question is, well, where is Sammy?

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<v Speaker 1>Because she's not making an appearance on his Instagram feed.

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<v Speaker 1>She's also not following him anymore, and he's not following her,

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<v Speaker 1>So I would like to know what's going on. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>this is why Sammy likes him. He seems to have

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<v Speaker 1>quite a good sense of humor. He's the bad boy,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't here? You want to hate him, but then he's

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<v Speaker 1>sort of funny at the same time, sort of charming.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like he's gas lighting us into play.

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<v Speaker 1>He's still with Sammy even though the pair aren't following

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<v Speaker 1>each other. Well, I feel like we're just gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>to wait and see what else Jordan puts on.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure he'll get her back again. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So the first time was Macki's right Zaka and I

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<v Speaker 4>saw was in the club and I was like, I

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<v Speaker 4>love that. And then the other ones I've saw were

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<v Speaker 4>sent to me personally.

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<v Speaker 1>And Dm Leviolan de page Thorn has broken her silence

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<v Speaker 1>on her from Adam Collard. The twenty five year old

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<v Speaker 1>paramedic says VIP toilets and McDonald's runs led to the

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<v Speaker 1>public downfall of their relationship. So before we get into it,

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<v Speaker 1>can you give us a little bit of a refresher

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<v Speaker 1>amy on who the couple are. Yeah, so Paige was

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<v Speaker 1>a fan favourite from day one on Love Island. She

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<v Speaker 1>coupled up with Jax after being a little unlucky in

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<v Speaker 1>love in the first couple of episodes, and then she

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<v Speaker 1>famously got screwed over by Jack's in cassa Amore and

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<v Speaker 1>moved on to Adam Collard. So Adam was actually on

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<v Speaker 1>series four and he came back onto the new series

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<v Speaker 1>of Love Island sort of as a bit of a redemption. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>apparently he was the contestant that had coupled up with

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<v Speaker 1>the most contestants ever until Denika came on the show. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so he coupled up with four different women in only

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<v Speaker 1>two weeks. So he entered the villa as part of

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<v Speaker 1>a twist where he could steal one of the girls

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<v Speaker 1>who was already coupled up, So he picked Kendall Ray Knight,

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<v Speaker 1>but then he swiftly dumped her a week later for

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<v Speaker 1>a new arrival called Rosie Williams. Then a few days

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<v Speaker 1>later he dumped Rosie for another new arrival, which was

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<v Speaker 1>Zara McDermott. Did I actually watched this series of Love

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<v Speaker 1>Island and I can't place the first two girls. I

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<v Speaker 1>know who Zara is because I think I actually followed

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<v Speaker 1>Adam and Zara for a while on Instagram because they

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<v Speaker 1>were together outside of the villa for I think just

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<v Speaker 1>under a year. Yeah, they were together for eight months,

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<v Speaker 1>but a lot of controversy was started because Rosie tried

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<v Speaker 1>to call Adam out for giving her the cold shoulder,

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<v Speaker 1>and Adam suggested that his supposed behavior was all in

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<v Speaker 1>Rosie's head and this led to a lot of backlash

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<v Speaker 1>from viewers and also the domestic violence charity Women's Aid,

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<v Speaker 1>so they actually issued a warning to viewers about gas

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<v Speaker 1>lighting and emotional abuse, and that's where I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>the term gas lighting really came into sort of common language. Yeah. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm surprised that Love Island led him back on the show,

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<v Speaker 1>really because he just came across as a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a douche. But he kept saying that he had redeemed himself,

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<v Speaker 1>and he always spoke about how he had experienced what

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<v Speaker 1>fame was like outside of the villa. So he was

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<v Speaker 1>a great option for Page because he'd.

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<v Speaker 2>Gotten it out of his syst.

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<v Speaker 1>He warned her that all the other guys would beg

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<v Speaker 1>and caught up in that sort of nightclub scene after leaving.

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<v Speaker 1>He seemed so much older than the other Islanders though,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's only like twenty six.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like that is old in England, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Have babies really young. Well, in Love Island, he's an

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<v Speaker 1>older Islander. But everybody did warn Page against Adam. She

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't actually seen his series of Love Island, but all

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<v Speaker 1>the other women seemed turned off by him. Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't really that surprising when in September a video

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<v Speaker 1>emerged on TikTok of Adam CosIng up to a mystery

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<v Speaker 1>blonde woman at MacDonald's after a night out, so in

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<v Speaker 1>the video we also see him leaving the McDonald's with her.

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<v Speaker 2>He had his arms all.

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<v Speaker 1>Over her and this video attracted a lot of attention

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<v Speaker 1>on TikTok, so at the time, Adam's reps had to

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<v Speaker 1>put out a statement and they denied that there was

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<v Speaker 1>anything untoward going on. They said Adam headed to McDonald's

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<v Speaker 1>after a night out with friends. His friends were alongside

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<v Speaker 1>him when a group of girls asked for photos, and Adam,

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<v Speaker 1>being his friendly self, was open to posing and chatting

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<v Speaker 1>to the girls. Adam understands how his video looks, but

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<v Speaker 1>wants to state that he left the restaurant with his

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<v Speaker 1>friends and a box of sixty nuggets with nothing or

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<v Speaker 1>no one else with the intention of getting home.

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<v Speaker 2>Save sixty nuggets.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really understand why this random inclusion of sixty

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<v Speaker 1>nuggets in. They're trying to be funny like ha ha

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<v Speaker 1>or such time. I prove that he's not out rooting

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<v Speaker 1>a girl, because you're not going to eat like sixty

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<v Speaker 1>nuggets before you try and impress some girl. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>very odd inclusion. And they finished up the statement by

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<v Speaker 1>saying that Adam and Page are currently dating and Adam

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<v Speaker 1>only has eyes for her. It was a very bizarre statement.

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<v Speaker 1>It was not really professionally written either. I love the

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<v Speaker 1>pages come out since and set the records straight on

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<v Speaker 1>the Saving Grace podcast, So she confirmed that she is single,

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<v Speaker 1>and she went into depth about the cheating scandal. So

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<v Speaker 1>the host asked Page she knew the girl in the

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<v Speaker 1>MacDonald's video, and Page confirmed that she has no clue

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<v Speaker 1>who the girl is and that she is not a

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<v Speaker 1>friend of Adam's like he claims. Well, it was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of awkward because Adam initially came out and said, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>she's a friend of mine. Then he had to come

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<v Speaker 1>out and say, oh, she was just a fan, Like

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<v Speaker 1>it was all just muddled. My favorite part of the

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<v Speaker 1>interview was when Page referred to McDonald's as Mackie's.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so cute Page, she was so.

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<v Speaker 1>Cute in that interview. She kept saying these one line

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<v Speaker 1>as well on my violent and then she's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't portrayed as myself.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like you were exactly what I saw on the show. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>Page did.

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<v Speaker 1>Drop a huge bomb during that interview because she said

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot more to the story than is already

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<v Speaker 1>in the public domain. So she said that there are

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<v Speaker 1>way more incriminating videos that the public don't know about.

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<v Speaker 1>So she explained that she has received lots of videos

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<v Speaker 1>in her dms from that night, and they filmed Adam's

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<v Speaker 1>behavior at the nightclub.

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<v Speaker 2>So they were at the nightclub before. Yeah, Mackie, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>So one video showed Adam going into a VIP toilet

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<v Speaker 1>with a random girl.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's what Paige said, do you.

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<v Speaker 4>Know what, It's not just some videos. There are other

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<v Speaker 4>videos which other people don't know about.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a lot more too, with different people, the

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<v Speaker 2>different people.

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<v Speaker 4>Of the same night in different locations. That's so bad

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<v Speaker 4>is because I was sat there and I was like,

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<v Speaker 4>at first, like, nagin know what, It's just an arm

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<v Speaker 4>I get, everyone's a little bit flirty. It's nothing to it.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm in the club and a guy put some rummy.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it she in? No?

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<v Speaker 4>And then these other videos come out yeah, and I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>I can't justify this with other girls. Yeah, with other guys,

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<v Speaker 4>their bedrooms involved, more like vip toilets. That it's fine,

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<v Speaker 4>It's fine, keep a fay baby.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Well apparently not.

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<v Speaker 1>I felt so sorry for her because Page revealed that

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<v Speaker 1>she found all this out at exactly the same time

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<v Speaker 1>as the general public. What a burn though, for Adam

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<v Speaker 1>Khllard to reveal that, because it just plays into that

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<v Speaker 1>image people had of him before his second appearance on

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<v Speaker 1>Love as Well.

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<v Speaker 2>She said that she got collar.

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<v Speaker 1>Aded and that term was going around social media when

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<v Speaker 1>he was on Love Island in series four. It's really

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<v Speaker 1>unfortunate though, because Page now is getting controlled because a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people preferred her with Jack's over Adam Collard.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I still feel like there was something dodgy going

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<v Speaker 1>on with the show, like they made Jacks look so

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<v Speaker 1>good when he was clearly kicked out for bad behavior.

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<v Speaker 1>She did touch on that, and she said that there

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<v Speaker 1>was no funny business about it because people were saying, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>did he abuse Adam and was he forced to leave?

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<v Speaker 1>But she said no, he genuinely had to leave for

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<v Speaker 1>his mental health. Well, the host, Grace I loved how

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<v Speaker 1>she asked all those tough questions. So she did say,

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<v Speaker 1>is there a chance that you would get back together

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<v Speaker 1>with Jack's? And Paige revealed that there has been slight

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<v Speaker 1>contact between the pair, but she confirmed that no lip

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<v Speaker 1>action has taken place yet, and she said that obviously

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<v Speaker 1>they had a vibe in there. However, he did her over,

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<v Speaker 1>so she's going to see where things go. But she

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<v Speaker 1>did say I'm in zero rush to be with any

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<v Speaker 1>other man because men are trash. She literally said men

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<v Speaker 1>are trash several times and this obviously stirred up a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of media attention, with everyone assuming that she and

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<v Speaker 1>Jack's was getting back together, but she later confirmed that

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<v Speaker 1>they've literally only had one phone call and they're just

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<v Speaker 1>friends at the moment. Do you know who is feeling

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<v Speaker 1>very smug worried about now, Paige's mum, because Page's mum

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<v Speaker 1>infamously came on the show on the last couple of

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<v Speaker 1>episodes where they came into the villa and met the

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<v Speaker 1>couple and was like, I don't like out, He's bad news. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a big I told you so a moment

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<v Speaker 1>for her. What I hated was that Paige also revealed

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<v Speaker 1>in another interview that Adam literally ghosted her after the

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<v Speaker 1>whole MacDonald's video incident. So he was actually on holidays

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<v Speaker 1>in Bali and she was still in the UK, and

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<v Speaker 1>she said that he wasn't texting her back, so he

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<v Speaker 1>would leave her messages on red for the entire day,

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<v Speaker 1>and she said that at that moment she knew that

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<v Speaker 1>they were done and it was beyond a joke. So

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<v Speaker 1>Adam finally did reply, and he all he said was

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't want it to go this way, but at

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<v Speaker 1>least we both know where we stand.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, what a wankert.

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<v Speaker 1>He made her his girlfriend after coming out of the villa.

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<v Speaker 1>Another thing that really surprised me because I think Paige

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<v Speaker 1>is just such a catch. I can't believe these guys

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<v Speaker 1>continue to treat her like this. So Paige was engaged

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<v Speaker 1>prior to the show, and she was working as a

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<v Speaker 1>paramedic and got a text message from her fiance dumping

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<v Speaker 1>her whilst on her shift.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, whilst on her shift. Poor thing. So then about

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<v Speaker 2>a week later she noticed.

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<v Speaker 1>That he was already on Tinder, so she thought, fuck it,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to go on Love Island. He can watch

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<v Speaker 1>me in a bikini flirting with guys all summer.

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<v Speaker 2>What a fuck you?

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning everybody. Lily Brown has opened up about a

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<v Speaker 1>relationship and financial status during an Instagram Q and A

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<v Speaker 1>on Tuesday Night. The Sleepwere Entrepreneur also slammed podcasts and

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<v Speaker 1>people who tried to find gossip out about her. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like we're in the firing line a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit there.

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<v Speaker 2>What did Lily have to say? I know it was

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit awkward.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, she was answering a question about whether she sees

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<v Speaker 1>herself being an influencer forever, and she said no because

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<v Speaker 1>she likes her privacy. Now, she went on to say, though, ironically,

0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:42.800
<v Speaker 1>keeping things private actually makes people more intrigued. Lily said

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<v Speaker 1>she gets the whole you signed up for this bullshit,

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<v Speaker 1>but she then went to say, going out of your

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<v Speaker 1>way to find information about someone, stalk their socials, stalk

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<v Speaker 1>my socials, message my friends for tea have podcasts, and

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<v Speaker 1>all this fake news written and said about you or

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<v Speaker 1>your friends and stuff that I have purposely kept offline

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<v Speaker 1>is fucking trash behavior in my opinion. She also revealed

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<v Speaker 1>that she's taken a step back from posting because she

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<v Speaker 1>was tired of everyone picking apart her opinion. Now, is

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<v Speaker 1>this in reference to her boyfriend that she her previous

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<v Speaker 1>boyfriend that she didn't want to have on social I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's all down to the whole Brownie incident when

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<v Speaker 1>her and m Davies decided to share that they were

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<v Speaker 1>taking a weed brownie before going to Balley. I think

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<v Speaker 1>there would have been a lot of journals digging for

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<v Speaker 1>information about her and m Davies. Look, I actually agree

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<v Speaker 1>with Amy. I think it's more about her relationships because

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<v Speaker 1>she has kept her last two boyfriends offline and there

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<v Speaker 1>has been a lot of speculation which will go into

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<v Speaker 1>about her and Christian.

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<v Speaker 2>How the thing is.

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<v Speaker 1>I can see where Lily is coming from regarding people

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<v Speaker 1>messaging her friends for tea like that's too far. However,

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<v Speaker 1>I think slamming people for looking at her page that's

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<v Speaker 1>public and then looking at someone else's page that's public

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<v Speaker 1>and putting two and two together, particularly when she has

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<v Speaker 1>been dropping all these clues about her and this Christian

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<v Speaker 1>how guy, Like she's not talking, She's posted so many

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<v Speaker 1>TikTok's flirting with him, She's put up Q and A's

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<v Speaker 1>on YouTube talking about how she slept with some guy

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<v Speaker 1>in Barley. Like, clearly people are interested in going to

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<v Speaker 1>put two and two together. It's a bit like the

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan Simmy thing, Like you can't dangle this bit of

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<v Speaker 1>information in front of people and expect people not to

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<v Speaker 1>look further into it. When you've revealed so many details

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<v Speaker 1>previously about your life, people are going to be interested

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<v Speaker 1>at human nature, That's the thing. The alternative is people

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<v Speaker 1>no longer being interested in your life and unfollowing you.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why people get so worked up about

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<v Speaker 1>fun tea or drama. I know it wouldn't be nice

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<v Speaker 1>if people are abusing you, but you've almost just got.

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<v Speaker 2>To have a bit of a laugh about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And the thing is you can't expect to monopolize

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<v Speaker 1>on your status as an influencer but then not take

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<v Speaker 1>the bad that comes with the good. It's like essentially

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<v Speaker 1>biting the hand that feeds you. I mean, Lily has

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<v Speaker 1>a very successful sleepwear brand based on the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>she is an influencer and has created this audience for herself.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's pretty interesting because there are so many

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<v Speaker 1>people like Lily, like Shahnee Grimmand and Sammy Robbins and

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<v Speaker 1>these og influencers that are trying to make this switch

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<v Speaker 1>influencer to successful business woman and entrepreneur, and I'm wondering

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<v Speaker 1>how that's going to go if some of them do

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<v Speaker 1>actually step away from last. So I think the different

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<v Speaker 1>thing is for instance, with Sammy Robinson. Obviously I am

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<v Speaker 1>a fan of her. I think that she is actually

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<v Speaker 1>quite talented with fashion. She's very fashion forward. That is

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<v Speaker 1>obviously a strength of hers, so I think that her brand.

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<v Speaker 1>If Sammy doesn't have a huge profile, I think Sammy's

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<v Speaker 1>brand would still be popular. However, perhaps something like a

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<v Speaker 1>sleepwear brand, which is a bit of a dimer does,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't know whether that popularity would extend when

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<v Speaker 1>Lily Brown perhaps is no longer popular on social media.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's interesting that these influencers are turning to

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<v Speaker 1>the business world because I think what they've realized is

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<v Speaker 1>that when you're young, it seems probably fun to be

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<v Speaker 1>famous and people know everything about you and pay for

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<v Speaker 1>not doing much, and they've experienced what that's actually like

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<v Speaker 1>and have realized that it's shit. And now they can see, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>actually I can earn all this money through do my

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<v Speaker 1>own business, staying off my social west that has the

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<v Speaker 1>income it is And I think that they it shows

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<v Speaker 1>that they've actually sort of matured. Yeah, it is interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think because influencing is so relatively new, we

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<v Speaker 1>are going to start seeing whether that if that is

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<v Speaker 1>a success or not for these people. Now, despite Lily

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<v Speaker 1>saying she was sick of people speculating about things that

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<v Speaker 1>she was keen to keep private, she did bread crumb

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<v Speaker 1>more information about her relationship with Christian House. So just

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<v Speaker 1>to remind you guys, back in September, when she was

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<v Speaker 1>holidaying in Bali, Lily shared several videos to TikTok with

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<v Speaker 1>Christian and they were very flirtatious, so they did a

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<v Speaker 1>muk bung where there was a lot of sexual innuendo.

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<v Speaker 1>They also filmed a video of them slapping each other

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<v Speaker 1>in the face with Tutias, and later on, as I mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>Lily did a Q and A with Michael Finch where

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<v Speaker 1>she confirmed she had slept with someone in Balley. So

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<v Speaker 1>everyone is putting it all together and thinking that is Christian.

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<v Speaker 1>So basically Lily's Q and A was filled with questions

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<v Speaker 1>about Christian, and Lily confirmed that she doesn't have a

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<v Speaker 1>boyfriend and isn't dating Christian. She said that she does

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<v Speaker 1>love him dearly though, and he's very special to her.

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<v Speaker 1>Else then wrote why don't you just date Christian? You

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<v Speaker 1>have great chemistry, and she wrote this seems a bit invasive, Haha,

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<v Speaker 1>We definitely do. Neither of us are looking at getting

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<v Speaker 1>into a relationship. At the moment, we enjoy each other's

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<v Speaker 1>company as friends. So just keeping it that way for now.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all I'm saying about it now, So no one

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<v Speaker 1>asks any more questions, please. I think it's quite clear

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<v Speaker 1>from looking at his profile and just looking, not stalking,

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<v Speaker 1>from looking at his profile that he's living this different

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<v Speaker 1>lifestyle in Bali. He's living this single guy lifestyle plarting. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he looks like a fuck boy. I'm sure that they

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<v Speaker 1>probably there was something going on between them, but they've

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<v Speaker 1>reached that point where no one's ready to commit. I

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<v Speaker 1>love this notion of here's some more information about me

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<v Speaker 1>and Christian, but don't ask any more questions. I need

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<v Speaker 1>you guys to help explain this, and maybe some people

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<v Speaker 1>in the Facebook community can so. When I was having

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<v Speaker 1>a look at these videos on TikTok, influencer m Davies,

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<v Speaker 1>who was on the trip with Lily, kept leaving these

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<v Speaker 1>two emojis on Lily and also Christian's videos.

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<v Speaker 2>So I get the egg plant emoji. But before it

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<v Speaker 2>was an otter.

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<v Speaker 1>Aren't otters really set active or don't they like go

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<v Speaker 1>down on one another? Or something isn't there some weird

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<v Speaker 1>thing with otters. I don't know, is that some reference

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<v Speaker 1>to a vagina?

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<v Speaker 2>It's collecting drift? Is it meant to that's beaver? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>But is it meant to be like collecting a plan?

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<v Speaker 1>But isn't it like isn't there's not an emoji of

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<v Speaker 1>a beaver? So is that the closest one? I think

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<v Speaker 1>there is a bever e it's someone who's more in

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<v Speaker 1>tuned with what's going on in the Facebook community. Can

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<v Speaker 1>you let us know? I found the way that Lily

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<v Speaker 1>spoke about money really interesting, and it is clear now

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<v Speaker 1>that she has a business, so her priorities are changing.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of Lily's followers said to her, I'll get

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<v Speaker 1>that doo or bag that you're always talking about, and

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<v Speaker 1>she responded saying, couldn't imagine spending that money on a

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<v Speaker 1>fucking handbag these days? Haha, Not when you've got people's

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<v Speaker 1>wages to pay. She also revealed that she is no

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<v Speaker 1>longer getting a new car, so she said that she

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<v Speaker 1>had to pull the pin on it because there's a

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<v Speaker 1>few big invoices for chill coming up, and that she

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<v Speaker 1>had to put her big girl pants on and think

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<v Speaker 1>about what's more important. Now. I'm not trying to be

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<v Speaker 1>a dick, but my heart doesn't really bleed for Oh no,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't get my k new car. I don't think

0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:03.760
<v Speaker 1>she's trying to say that. I think she's actually just

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<v Speaker 1>opening up and saying, I'm actually investing in this business.

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<v Speaker 2>She obviously wants.

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<v Speaker 1>To be known as more than just an influencer. She

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<v Speaker 1>wants her business taken seriously. Well, the thing is, she

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<v Speaker 1>did say that she's thinking of selling her current car,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a Mercedes, and you might remember it from

0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:20.399
<v Speaker 1>a vlog that she did, So she has changed a

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<v Speaker 1>lot when you think about her priorities now, because I

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<v Speaker 1>remember that it was this big thing when she got

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<v Speaker 1>the Mercedes and she did a vlog showing everyone around it,

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<v Speaker 1>and now she's thinking of downsizing her car so she

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<v Speaker 1>can use the money to go to Europe. Are you

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<v Speaker 1>excited at this? Are you excited at this?

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<v Speaker 3>She's going to give them such ugly names, that's like

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<v Speaker 3>can worm mer cute names like come on, you can't

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<v Speaker 3>beat that.

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<v Speaker 1>Anna Paul has surprised her mum with a Sphinx cat.

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<v Speaker 1>The latest edition is the Paul family's third hairless cat.

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<v Speaker 1>I just love that they keep collecting these hairless cats

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<v Speaker 1>because I feel like it's a big fuck you to

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<v Speaker 1>everyone that was saying that it was a publicity stunt,

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<v Speaker 1>because about a year and a half ago, when Anna

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<v Speaker 1>announced that she was getting a new Sphinx cat and

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<v Speaker 1>had named it Nutsack, the whole internet went into meltdown,

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<v Speaker 1>including ourselves. We thought it was stupid, and we were

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<v Speaker 1>very skeptical about it. We didn't think it was stupid

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<v Speaker 1>that she was getting a cat. We thought it was

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<v Speaker 1>a bit disrespectful to call the cat nutsack. But now

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<v Speaker 1>now that I know her person, you know, or Nutty,

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<v Speaker 1>Now I love her, Now I love the cats. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>what's kind of funny? Well, apparently Anna said that someone

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<v Speaker 1>even called animal services on them, was okay?

0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:26.359
<v Speaker 2>Or was that a listener from the podcast?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think Anna and her brother Adas have definitely

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<v Speaker 1>proven the skeptics wrong because Adas has his own Sphinx

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<v Speaker 1>cat called Mister Wormy, and Anna of course has Nutsack,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're very dedicated to their cats, so you'll often

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<v Speaker 1>see on their TikTok that they have personalized accessories with

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<v Speaker 1>their cats on it. They even have a new artwork

0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:47.440
<v Speaker 1>in their house of mister WORMI are nutsack.

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<v Speaker 2>That was my favorite part of the video.

0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:51.399
<v Speaker 1>When it flashed onto that artwork, I was like, I

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<v Speaker 1>need to get one of these if my cats Gg

0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:55.720
<v Speaker 1>and Betley was so funny. They're really part of the

0:19:55.760 --> 0:19:58.679
<v Speaker 1>Paul Family brand now because they even appeared on the

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<v Speaker 1>stack stickers. They were stick as a wearing and nutsack.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So the video that Anna shared about getting this new

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<v Speaker 1>hairless cat was really cute. So Anna explained that her

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<v Speaker 1>mom's dog Angel had passed away three years ago and

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<v Speaker 1>that her mum still had a lot of love to give,

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<v Speaker 1>so she decided that she wanted to get a kitten

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<v Speaker 1>for her as a surprise. Now I need to throw

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<v Speaker 1>to this clip because it really cracked me up. When

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<v Speaker 1>Anna was talking about cats.

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<v Speaker 2>I just loved it.

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<v Speaker 1>Because she had to explain that she was talking about

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<v Speaker 1>her cat and she literally held up knotsack and he

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<v Speaker 1>just looked like a nutsack.

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<v Speaker 2>Like it was just so funny.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, after picking up the cat, Anna and her boyfriend

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<v Speaker 1>Glenn and also Adas stopped off at kmart to get

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<v Speaker 1>the kit in a blanket because apparently sphinx kittens get

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<v Speaker 1>really cold and they start shivering if they're not covered.

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<v Speaker 2>In a blanket.

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<v Speaker 1>So Anna ended up wrapping the kitten in this blanket

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<v Speaker 1>and put it inside a gift box and present it

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<v Speaker 1>to her mum. Now, I think her mum was expecting

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of designer handbag. So when she opened it

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<v Speaker 1>up until this came ut rug, she's kind of like, oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought you were going to say that the bold

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<v Speaker 1>cat was in there, and she's like.

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<v Speaker 2>What is this?

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<v Speaker 1>She thought it was glazed donuts. She thought it was

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a box of donuts. So she suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>saw the cat's head poking out and got very excited,

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<v Speaker 1>and they kept saying like, oh, yeah, Adie has got

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<v Speaker 1>a blanket. Glenn's got a blanket. Because when she opened

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<v Speaker 1>up the blanket box, and it just reminded me on

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<v Speaker 1>South Park when they kept saying blanket when they had

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<v Speaker 1>that micro tracks on the episode Blanket. I'm dying to

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<v Speaker 1>know what this cat is called. Charlie's got a funny name.

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<v Speaker 1>So I found it pretty funny because in the video,

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<v Speaker 1>Anna and Addis were like saying how worried they were

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<v Speaker 1>that the mum was going to call it something bad,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, are you're seriously so now followers were

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<v Speaker 1>very keen to find out the name. Someone wrote in

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<v Speaker 1>the comments asking like, haws, your mom come up with

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<v Speaker 1>a name, and Anna said her mom hadn't named it

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<v Speaker 1>yet because she wanted to get a feel for it

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<v Speaker 1>his personality. Anna added, We're hoping it's something cute. Mom

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<v Speaker 1>is weird with names. Now I can see where Anna

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<v Speaker 1>was coming from, because when they finally revealed the name, there.

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<v Speaker 2>Was this full story.

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<v Speaker 1>So her mom is German, and apparently Anna and Addas

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<v Speaker 1>actually only speak to the mum in German, which I

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<v Speaker 1>really interesting. And Anna was explaining that her mum loved

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<v Speaker 1>the show Pippy Long Stockings, the German version of it,

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<v Speaker 1>and apparently there was this monkey that was her pet

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<v Speaker 1>and it had some strange German name which I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>even going to try pronouncing, even though I have German heritage.

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<v Speaker 1>So there were all these like weird names, and then

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<v Speaker 1>Annas like, why don't you just call it Pippy? So

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<v Speaker 1>they've gone with Pippy, not Penis or something pippy nuts.

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<v Speaker 2>I think penis is just well, I suppose not. That's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty of it.

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<v Speaker 1>It could sound like Peep peep and pepe.

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<v Speaker 2>You're above everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>You do, you do your work grounds on your high helps.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm used to don't even fucking know me. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to you crack on with your thing and you

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<v Speaker 2>and your fringe.

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<v Speaker 4>Can oh my god, the mouth be.

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<v Speaker 1>This week, millions of Instagram users were reeling after discovery

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<v Speaker 1>they'd either been logged out of their accounts or told

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<v Speaker 1>their accounts were suspended. Now, kay, you were one of

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<v Speaker 1>those people either got a friend antique message at about

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<v Speaker 1>one am.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was actually going to like a photo of

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<v Speaker 1>your dog on Instagram and something had like screen white

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<v Speaker 1>screen popped up, and I was like, your account's been suspended,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like what, Yeah, I got so confused

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<v Speaker 1>because your comment disappeared. Yeah, and I was so annoyed

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<v Speaker 1>because I was like, have I done something wrong? And

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<v Speaker 1>I read the list of things that you know, apparently

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<v Speaker 1>why your account get to spend it suspended. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't even done any of it. I know. I

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<v Speaker 1>loved it because I was frantically googling. And then this

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<v Speaker 1>news article popped up. It was actually on the Daily

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<v Speaker 1>Mail that said so many users had been suspended. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a huge Instagram glitch, and I was like, thank

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<v Speaker 1>goodness because it's your Hends party coming up. As we've

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<v Speaker 1>discussed it, I need to share my snapping clar So

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<v Speaker 1>this problem was solved by Instagram within a few hours

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<v Speaker 1>and they did apologize, so they said, we've resolved this

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<v Speaker 1>bug now. It was causing people in different parts of

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<v Speaker 1>the world to have issues accessing their accounts and it

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<v Speaker 1>caused a temporary change for some of the numbers of followers. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>so lots of people were freaking out. Everyone turned to

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter because Instagram was down and like my business profile

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<v Speaker 1>and dropping thousands and thousands of followers. So Cristiano Ronaldo

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<v Speaker 1>his follower account dropped by three million, isn't that because

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<v Speaker 1>he's the most followed, one of the most followed people

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<v Speaker 1>on Instagram. He has got four hundred and ninety three million,

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<v Speaker 1>so I don't think he would have been missing those

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<v Speaker 1>three million. Within a few hours they were back on.

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<v Speaker 1>So basically it shows you how many people were affected

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<v Speaker 1>because three million followers of his their accounts are affected,

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<v Speaker 1>so they disappeared. I'm not one of them, no, but

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<v Speaker 1>there has been similar issues with the app in the

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<v Speaker 1>past where users have been unable to access their accounts. However,

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<v Speaker 1>they've never been told their accounts were suspended. So users

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<v Speaker 1>who were sent this suspension notice were given the opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>to appeal the decision within thirty days, but the notice

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<v Speaker 1>said that if we can't confirm your account.

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<v Speaker 2>It will be permanently deleted.

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<v Speaker 1>I freaked out because I was trying to fill out

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<v Speaker 1>the form to say I haven't done anything wrong, can

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<v Speaker 1>you please reneg on this, and then it wouldn't let

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<v Speaker 1>me send it because then I had to verify my

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<v Speaker 1>intro gram account, which I couldn't log into, So.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, this is fuck.

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<v Speaker 1>Do we actually think that this was a glitch or

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<v Speaker 1>do we think this was a cyber attack on Instagram.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was a glitch and it has actually

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<v Speaker 1>resulted in the shares of Mesa who owns Instagram going down,

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<v Speaker 1>So on the day of the outage, their stock price

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<v Speaker 1>fell by five percent. So maybe TikTok, maybe TikTok tried

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<v Speaker 1>to get in there. Well, Sophie, there is a theory

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<v Speaker 1>that the suspension messages may be a sign of things

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<v Speaker 1>to come, and this isn't for the users who receive them,

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<v Speaker 1>but these are for the hundreds of thousands of bought

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<v Speaker 1>accounts that are currently in existence. Because back in September,

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<v Speaker 1>there were media reports that some of the world's biggest

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram accounts were losing millions of followers. So Bernardo again,

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<v Speaker 1>he dropped by one point six million followers and Kim

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<v Speaker 1>Kardashian lost two point four million followers. I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>we've got to explain what bot accounts are because they

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<v Speaker 1>are predominantly fake accounts, so basically.

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<v Speaker 2>Not finsters, but not finsters.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so it's companies who have created fake accounts to

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<v Speaker 1>then sell followers to people. Yeah, so it doesn't necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>mean that people like Kristin Ronaldo and Kim Kardashian have

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<v Speaker 1>bought the bots. That's exactly right, Sophie. So everybody on

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram has bot accounts following them. So the CEO of

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<v Speaker 1>hype Auditor, which is a program that audits social media accounts,

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<v Speaker 1>he said that he suspects the drop in numbers is

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<v Speaker 1>due to Instagram purging in active or fraudulent accounts. So

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<v Speaker 1>he said it's common for Instagram as well as Twitter

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<v Speaker 1>and YouTube to do this from time to time. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's not a reflection on celebrities like Kim Kardashian because

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<v Speaker 1>everybody has these bots following them. That being said, it

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<v Speaker 1>can be a reflection on some influence definite accounts because

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<v Speaker 1>there are a number of influencers who would have started

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<v Speaker 1>off by buying accounts to make their accounts look legit,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that they're the ones who are probably

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<v Speaker 1>very worried about this coming out. Well, that's right, Sophe,

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<v Speaker 1>because follower fraud is one of the most prevalent issues

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<v Speaker 1>that has arisen in the influencer space, and I've found

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<v Speaker 1>this stat really startling. So according to Statista, forty nine

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<v Speaker 1>percent of Instagram influencers participated in follower fraud. Really, like,

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<v Speaker 1>do you mean over the last ten years or more recently. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>they traced accounts from twenty twenty one and they said

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<v Speaker 1>of the accounts they looked at, there was over one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and thirty million accounts, forty nine percent of them

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<v Speaker 1>had fake followers. And further investigation showed that one in

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<v Speaker 1>four influencers purchased fifteen percent of their total followers, and

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<v Speaker 1>every three and four influencers purchased over ten thousand followers.

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<v Speaker 1>So the main reason, as you said, Sophie, is probably

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<v Speaker 1>when these wanna be influencers first start their accounts, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people will go and buy say ten thousand followers,

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<v Speaker 1>so they look legit and they have that social proof.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's the thing. A lot of our clients with

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<v Speaker 1>our PR company, who immediate, they will ask us, how

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<v Speaker 1>can I tell if this person has a legitimate following?

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the best ways is to look through

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<v Speaker 1>who follows them and you can quickly determine whether someone

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<v Speaker 1>is a bot account or not. But it is really

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<v Speaker 1>difficult because some people even go as far as purchasing

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<v Speaker 1>likes and also views. So I had to deal with

0:28:05.400 --> 0:28:08.399
<v Speaker 1>an influencer who was ripping this business off. So she

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<v Speaker 1>went into this business. She was being paid to post

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<v Speaker 1>and also use some of their products, and she ended

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<v Speaker 1>up paying for thousands of views and thousands of likes

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<v Speaker 1>to make it look really popular. But they literally had

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<v Speaker 1>no one calling in to go and do the same

0:28:22.240 --> 0:28:24.320
<v Speaker 1>experience as her, So they were like, what is going on?

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<v Speaker 1>Why isn't this making sense? And that's the thing where

0:28:27.160 --> 0:28:29.800
<v Speaker 1>influencers start getting caught out. Because you can have a

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<v Speaker 1>large following, you can buy your followers, you can buy

0:28:32.359 --> 0:28:34.040
<v Speaker 1>your likes, you can buy your views. But when you

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<v Speaker 1>start launching your own brand and no one's buying it

0:28:37.920 --> 0:28:40.680
<v Speaker 1>because literally everyone that follows you is fake or working

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<v Speaker 1>with other brands and using discounacteries where they can track

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<v Speaker 1>how popular you've been.

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<v Speaker 2>You can literally get found out.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think we've seen that with quite a few

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<v Speaker 1>Australian influences when they go out on their own and

0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:53.200
<v Speaker 1>they're not as successful as you would expect them to be.

0:28:53.320 --> 0:28:56.360
<v Speaker 1>And there are some big influencers who may have legitimately

0:28:56.400 --> 0:28:59.000
<v Speaker 1>built a following, but then some of them will actually

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<v Speaker 1>go and buy fowers as well because they want to

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<v Speaker 1>be seen to be growing their following because that is

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<v Speaker 1>really appealing to brand because brands are more likely to

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<v Speaker 1>partner with an influencer who shows follower growth. Now, all

0:29:11.280 --> 0:29:14.040
<v Speaker 1>of this talk about influencers losing followers, maybe want to

0:29:14.080 --> 0:29:16.440
<v Speaker 1>do a bit of an investigation of my own into

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<v Speaker 1>Australian influences.

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<v Speaker 2>So I had to look at some of the biggest.

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<v Speaker 1>Influencers in Australia that we talk about often, and people

0:29:22.440 --> 0:29:26.680
<v Speaker 1>like Tyliscaines and Sammy Robinson. They both lost followers on

0:29:26.760 --> 0:29:29.920
<v Speaker 1>the Monday when Instagram had their sort of crash and

0:29:30.080 --> 0:29:33.200
<v Speaker 1>ended up regaining them the next day. It was the

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<v Speaker 1>same for Saffron Baker, a UK influencer, and Michael Finch.

0:29:36.480 --> 0:29:39.640
<v Speaker 1>They all regained the thousands of followers they lost, but

0:29:39.720 --> 0:29:43.160
<v Speaker 1>I saw something really strange. So people like Madison Wooley

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<v Speaker 1>and Sarah's Day, they both over the last thirty days

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<v Speaker 1>have lost over three thousand followers and they weren't affected

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<v Speaker 1>on the Monday at all. And this trend seems to

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<v Speaker 1>be continuing across the last couple of months, where they

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<v Speaker 1>are just consistently losing thousands of followers. Yeah. I noticed

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<v Speaker 1>it too with Shany Grimm and she losing a lot

0:30:01.040 --> 0:30:05.360
<v Speaker 1>of followers every single day. Tylia Scaines lost six thousand

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<v Speaker 1>this month. So do we think that this is part

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<v Speaker 1>of Instagram's clearing out of body counts or do we

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<v Speaker 1>think this is because their content isn't popular. I actually

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<v Speaker 1>think it may have something to do with the bots.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's more difficult now to actually purchase followers than

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<v Speaker 1>it was at the start of the year because a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of these influences like Madison Woolly, Sarah's Day, Shanie

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<v Speaker 1>grimmand they all at the start of the year were

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<v Speaker 1>gaining thousands.

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<v Speaker 2>And thousands of follows.

0:30:29.320 --> 0:30:31.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean I saw Madison Willy and in August twenty

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen gain over forty five thousand followers in one week.

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<v Speaker 2>That which is very suspicious.

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<v Speaker 1>And to put that into perspective, someone like Abby Chatfield

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<v Speaker 1>who was on The Bachelor, she gained fifty thousand followers

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<v Speaker 1>in a week because she was on the show. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's all we've got time for today. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for listening to another episode of Outspoken. Today's podcast

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<v Speaker 1>was recorded on the traditional land of the Ghana people

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<v Speaker 1>of the Adelaide Planes. We pay respect to elders past

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<v Speaker 1>and present. If you have enjoyed today's episode, we would

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