1 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: On today's show, Lilli Brown opens up about her relationship status, 2 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: Anapaul's surprising gift for her mum, Love Island's Page Thorn 3 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: breaks her silence on MESSI split from Adam Collard and 4 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 1: Instagram's suspending spree. Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your 5 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 1: dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture news twice 6 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: a week. I'm Kate Torbert and I'm very excited because 7 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: it's only one sleep to go until my Hen's weekend. 8 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 2: I'm so excited too. 9 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:32,959 Speaker 1: I'm Amy Torbert and Sofa and I have just left 10 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: Kate waiting because we had to make a dash. It 11 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: was a Facebook marketplace dash for a mystery item for 12 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: your hands. That makes more sense because they're like, oh, 13 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: we've just got to drive down to Mount Barker, which 14 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: is quite a drive. 15 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 2: I'm like, what the hell could possibly be there? 16 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: We have to share on Instagram after your HENS party. 17 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: You don't want to ruin the surprise, but it's pretty 18 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 1: funny what. 19 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 2: We picked up. It's a bit of a riskue item's 20 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 2: got that risk. I'm going to be happy about it. 21 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: Well, I'm Sophie Tolbert and I've been the chief party 22 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: planner for this event. So I'm actually really looking forward 23 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: to the it's sort of being over. I have this 24 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: huge Excel spreadsheet where I'm just stressing. I've got so 25 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: many different things I've got to do tomorrow. So what 26 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: about me. I've got to make a Penis pinard are you? 27 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that just sounds like something you would do. 28 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 2: Are you making this from hand? Like ay? I have 29 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 2: been looking up YouTube die. 30 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:25,559 Speaker 1: Oh my god, Please tell me that you're finished, because 31 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 1: it's tomorrow. Please don't stay up all night and make 32 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: us late. She's putting the finishing time. 33 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 34 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 3: I do believe like I do internalizings, and I shut 35 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 3: down in the moment until it's sort of simmered and 36 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 3: we both understand each other these perspectives and then we 37 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 3: talk about it. Then I'm way better at that. But 38 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 3: in the heat of the moment, if there's ever a disagreement, 39 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 3: I can't. I just physically cannot say anything because I'm 40 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 3: just like, I just know, I don't even know what 41 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 3: I think right now because there's just so much going on. 42 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard when I'm like hello, hello, hoo, hello, 43 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: But tell me. Following on from the French toaster Barker, 44 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: which we covered on Tuesday show. Jordan Seemy has clapped 45 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: back at his followers with a sarcastic Instagram story. So 46 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: whilst at Melbourne Cup celebrations, he reshared a photo of 47 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: himself with a female friend and wrote psa female on 48 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: my Instagram alert, this is my friend of five years, 49 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: my sister, if you will. 50 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 2: I thought I would just put this. 51 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: On here in case you guys think otherwise. I mean, 52 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: that's actually pretty funny, Like he is funny. But the 53 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: thing that I have to question is, well, where is Sammy? 54 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: Because she's not making an appearance on his Instagram feed. 55 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: She's also not following him anymore, and he's not following her, 56 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: So I would like to know what's going on. Maybe 57 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: this is why Sammy likes him. He seems to have 58 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,799 Speaker 1: quite a good sense of humor. He's the bad boy, 59 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:34,839 Speaker 1: isn't here? You want to hate him, but then he's 60 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: sort of funny at the same time, sort of charming. 61 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 2: I feel like he's gas lighting us into play. 62 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 1: He's still with Sammy even though the pair aren't following 63 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: each other. Well, I feel like we're just gonna have 64 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: to wait and see what else Jordan puts on. 65 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 2: I'm sure he'll get her back again. Yeah. 66 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 4: So the first time was Macki's right Zaka and I 67 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 4: saw was in the club and I was like, I 68 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 4: love that. And then the other ones I've saw were 69 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 4: sent to me personally. 70 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: And Dm Leviolan de page Thorn has broken her silence 71 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: on her from Adam Collard. The twenty five year old 72 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 1: paramedic says VIP toilets and McDonald's runs led to the 73 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: public downfall of their relationship. So before we get into it, 74 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: can you give us a little bit of a refresher 75 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: amy on who the couple are. Yeah, so Paige was 76 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: a fan favourite from day one on Love Island. She 77 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: coupled up with Jax after being a little unlucky in 78 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: love in the first couple of episodes, and then she 79 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: famously got screwed over by Jack's in cassa Amore and 80 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: moved on to Adam Collard. So Adam was actually on 81 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: series four and he came back onto the new series 82 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: of Love Island sort of as a bit of a redemption. Well, 83 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: apparently he was the contestant that had coupled up with 84 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: the most contestants ever until Denika came on the show. Yeah, 85 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: so he coupled up with four different women in only 86 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: two weeks. So he entered the villa as part of 87 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: a twist where he could steal one of the girls 88 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: who was already coupled up, So he picked Kendall Ray Knight, 89 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: but then he swiftly dumped her a week later for 90 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: a new arrival called Rosie Williams. Then a few days 91 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: later he dumped Rosie for another new arrival, which was 92 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: Zara McDermott. Did I actually watched this series of Love 93 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: Island and I can't place the first two girls. I 94 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: know who Zara is because I think I actually followed 95 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: Adam and Zara for a while on Instagram because they 96 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: were together outside of the villa for I think just 97 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: under a year. Yeah, they were together for eight months, 98 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: but a lot of controversy was started because Rosie tried 99 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: to call Adam out for giving her the cold shoulder, 100 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 1: and Adam suggested that his supposed behavior was all in 101 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 1: Rosie's head and this led to a lot of backlash 102 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 1: from viewers and also the domestic violence charity Women's Aid, 103 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: so they actually issued a warning to viewers about gas 104 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: lighting and emotional abuse, and that's where I feel like 105 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: the term gas lighting really came into sort of common language. Yeah. Well, 106 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: I'm surprised that Love Island led him back on the show, 107 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: really because he just came across as a bit of 108 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: a douche. But he kept saying that he had redeemed himself, 109 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: and he always spoke about how he had experienced what 110 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 1: fame was like outside of the villa. So he was 111 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 1: a great option for Page because he'd. 112 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 2: Gotten it out of his syst. 113 00:04:57,920 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: He warned her that all the other guys would beg 114 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: and caught up in that sort of nightclub scene after leaving. 115 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: He seemed so much older than the other Islanders though, 116 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:06,799 Speaker 1: and he's only like twenty six. 117 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 2: I feel like that is old in England, you. 118 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: Have babies really young. Well, in Love Island, he's an 119 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: older Islander. But everybody did warn Page against Adam. She 120 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: hadn't actually seen his series of Love Island, but all 121 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: the other women seemed turned off by him. Yeah, well, 122 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: it wasn't really that surprising when in September a video 123 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: emerged on TikTok of Adam CosIng up to a mystery 124 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 1: blonde woman at MacDonald's after a night out, so in 125 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 1: the video we also see him leaving the McDonald's with her. 126 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 2: He had his arms all. 127 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: Over her and this video attracted a lot of attention 128 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: on TikTok, so at the time, Adam's reps had to 129 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: put out a statement and they denied that there was 130 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: anything untoward going on. They said Adam headed to McDonald's 131 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: after a night out with friends. His friends were alongside 132 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 1: him when a group of girls asked for photos, and Adam, 133 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: being his friendly self, was open to posing and chatting 134 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 1: to the girls. Adam understands how his video looks, but 135 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 1: wants to state that he left the restaurant with his 136 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: friends and a box of sixty nuggets with nothing or 137 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: no one else with the intention of getting home. 138 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 2: Save sixty nuggets. 139 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: I don't really understand why this random inclusion of sixty 140 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: nuggets in. They're trying to be funny like ha ha 141 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: or such time. I prove that he's not out rooting 142 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: a girl, because you're not going to eat like sixty 143 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 1: nuggets before you try and impress some girl. It's a 144 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: very odd inclusion. And they finished up the statement by 145 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: saying that Adam and Page are currently dating and Adam 146 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: only has eyes for her. It was a very bizarre statement. 147 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 1: It was not really professionally written either. I love the 148 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: pages come out since and set the records straight on 149 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: the Saving Grace podcast, So she confirmed that she is single, 150 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: and she went into depth about the cheating scandal. So 151 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 1: the host asked Page she knew the girl in the 152 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 1: MacDonald's video, and Page confirmed that she has no clue 153 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 1: who the girl is and that she is not a 154 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 1: friend of Adam's like he claims. Well, it was kind 155 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: of awkward because Adam initially came out and said, oh, yeah, 156 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: she's a friend of mine. Then he had to come 157 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: out and say, oh, she was just a fan, Like 158 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: it was all just muddled. My favorite part of the 159 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 1: interview was when Page referred to McDonald's as Mackie's. 160 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 2: I'm so cute Page, she was so. 161 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: Cute in that interview. She kept saying these one line 162 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: as well on my violent and then she's like, oh, 163 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: I wasn't portrayed as myself. 164 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 2: It's like you were exactly what I saw on the show. Well, 165 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:19,239 Speaker 2: Page did. 166 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: Drop a huge bomb during that interview because she said 167 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,559 Speaker 1: there's a lot more to the story than is already 168 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: in the public domain. So she said that there are 169 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: way more incriminating videos that the public don't know about. 170 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: So she explained that she has received lots of videos 171 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: in her dms from that night, and they filmed Adam's 172 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: behavior at the nightclub. 173 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 2: So they were at the nightclub before. Yeah, Mackie, that's right. 174 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: So one video showed Adam going into a VIP toilet 175 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: with a random girl. 176 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 2: Here's what Paige said, do you. 177 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 4: Know what, It's not just some videos. There are other 178 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 4: videos which other people don't know about. 179 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 2: So it's a lot more too, with different people, the 180 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 2: different people. 181 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 4: Of the same night in different locations. That's so bad 182 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 4: is because I was sat there and I was like, 183 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 4: at first, like, nagin know what, It's just an arm 184 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 4: I get, everyone's a little bit flirty. It's nothing to it. 185 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 4: I'm in the club and a guy put some rummy. 186 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: Is it she in? No? 187 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 4: And then these other videos come out yeah, and I'm like, oh, 188 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 4: I can't justify this with other girls. Yeah, with other guys, 189 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 4: their bedrooms involved, more like vip toilets. That it's fine, 190 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 4: It's fine, keep a fay baby. 191 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well apparently not. 192 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: I felt so sorry for her because Page revealed that 193 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: she found all this out at exactly the same time 194 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: as the general public. What a burn though, for Adam 195 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: Khllard to reveal that, because it just plays into that 196 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 1: image people had of him before his second appearance on 197 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 1: Love as Well. 198 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 2: She said that she got collar. 199 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: Aded and that term was going around social media when 200 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: he was on Love Island in series four. It's really 201 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: unfortunate though, because Page now is getting controlled because a 202 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: lot of people preferred her with Jack's over Adam Collard. 203 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,439 Speaker 1: Because I still feel like there was something dodgy going 204 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 1: on with the show, like they made Jacks look so 205 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: good when he was clearly kicked out for bad behavior. 206 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: She did touch on that, and she said that there 207 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: was no funny business about it because people were saying, oh, 208 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: did he abuse Adam and was he forced to leave? 209 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: But she said no, he genuinely had to leave for 210 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: his mental health. Well, the host, Grace I loved how 211 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: she asked all those tough questions. So she did say, 212 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: is there a chance that you would get back together 213 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: with Jack's? And Paige revealed that there has been slight 214 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: contact between the pair, but she confirmed that no lip 215 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 1: action has taken place yet, and she said that obviously 216 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: they had a vibe in there. However, he did her over, 217 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: so she's going to see where things go. But she 218 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: did say I'm in zero rush to be with any 219 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: other man because men are trash. She literally said men 220 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 1: are trash several times and this obviously stirred up a 221 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:42,719 Speaker 1: lot of media attention, with everyone assuming that she and 222 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: Jack's was getting back together, but she later confirmed that 223 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: they've literally only had one phone call and they're just 224 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,079 Speaker 1: friends at the moment. Do you know who is feeling 225 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: very smug worried about now, Paige's mum, because Page's mum 226 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: infamously came on the show on the last couple of 227 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: episodes where they came into the villa and met the 228 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: couple and was like, I don't like out, He's bad news. Yeah, 229 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: it was a big I told you so a moment 230 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: for her. What I hated was that Paige also revealed 231 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: in another interview that Adam literally ghosted her after the 232 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: whole MacDonald's video incident. So he was actually on holidays 233 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 1: in Bali and she was still in the UK, and 234 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: she said that he wasn't texting her back, so he 235 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 1: would leave her messages on red for the entire day, 236 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: and she said that at that moment she knew that 237 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: they were done and it was beyond a joke. So 238 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: Adam finally did reply, and he all he said was 239 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: I didn't want it to go this way, but at 240 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: least we both know where we stand. 241 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 2: Oh my god, what a wankert. 242 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: He made her his girlfriend after coming out of the villa. 243 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: Another thing that really surprised me because I think Paige 244 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: is just such a catch. I can't believe these guys 245 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: continue to treat her like this. So Paige was engaged 246 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: prior to the show, and she was working as a 247 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,679 Speaker 1: paramedic and got a text message from her fiance dumping 248 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: her whilst on her shift. 249 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, whilst on her shift. Poor thing. So then about 250 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 2: a week later she noticed. 251 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: That he was already on Tinder, so she thought, fuck it, 252 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: I'm going to go on Love Island. He can watch 253 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: me in a bikini flirting with guys all summer. 254 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 2: What a fuck you? 255 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 1: Good morning everybody. Lily Brown has opened up about a 256 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: relationship and financial status during an Instagram Q and A 257 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: on Tuesday Night. The Sleepwere Entrepreneur also slammed podcasts and 258 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: people who tried to find gossip out about her. Okay, 259 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: I feel like we're in the firing line a little 260 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: bit there. 261 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 2: What did Lily have to say? I know it was 262 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 2: a little bit awkward. 263 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: Well, she was answering a question about whether she sees 264 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 1: herself being an influencer forever, and she said no because 265 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:39,199 Speaker 1: she likes her privacy. Now, she went on to say, though, ironically, 266 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: keeping things private actually makes people more intrigued. Lily said 267 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: she gets the whole you signed up for this bullshit, 268 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: but she then went to say, going out of your 269 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: way to find information about someone, stalk their socials, stalk 270 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: my socials, message my friends for tea have podcasts, and 271 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: all this fake news written and said about you or 272 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: your friends and stuff that I have purposely kept offline 273 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: is fucking trash behavior in my opinion. She also revealed 274 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: that she's taken a step back from posting because she 275 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: was tired of everyone picking apart her opinion. Now, is 276 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: this in reference to her boyfriend that she her previous 277 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: boyfriend that she didn't want to have on social I 278 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: think it's all down to the whole Brownie incident when 279 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: her and m Davies decided to share that they were 280 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: taking a weed brownie before going to Balley. I think 281 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: there would have been a lot of journals digging for 282 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: information about her and m Davies. Look, I actually agree 283 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,079 Speaker 1: with Amy. I think it's more about her relationships because 284 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: she has kept her last two boyfriends offline and there 285 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: has been a lot of speculation which will go into 286 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:38,079 Speaker 1: about her and Christian. 287 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 2: How the thing is. 288 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 1: I can see where Lily is coming from regarding people 289 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: messaging her friends for tea like that's too far. However, 290 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: I think slamming people for looking at her page that's 291 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: public and then looking at someone else's page that's public 292 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: and putting two and two together, particularly when she has 293 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 1: been dropping all these clues about her and this Christian 294 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: how guy, Like she's not talking, She's posted so many 295 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 1: TikTok's flirting with him, She's put up Q and A's 296 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: on YouTube talking about how she slept with some guy 297 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: in Barley. Like, clearly people are interested in going to 298 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: put two and two together. It's a bit like the 299 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: Jordan Simmy thing, Like you can't dangle this bit of 300 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: information in front of people and expect people not to 301 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: look further into it. When you've revealed so many details 302 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: previously about your life, people are going to be interested 303 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: at human nature, That's the thing. The alternative is people 304 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 1: no longer being interested in your life and unfollowing you. 305 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: I don't know why people get so worked up about 306 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: fun tea or drama. I know it wouldn't be nice 307 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: if people are abusing you, but you've almost just got. 308 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 2: To have a bit of a laugh about it. 309 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, And the thing is you can't expect to monopolize 310 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: on your status as an influencer but then not take 311 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: the bad that comes with the good. It's like essentially 312 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: biting the hand that feeds you. I mean, Lily has 313 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: a very successful sleepwear brand based on the fact that 314 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: she is an influencer and has created this audience for herself. 315 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:54,079 Speaker 1: I mean, it's pretty interesting because there are so many 316 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: people like Lily, like Shahnee Grimmand and Sammy Robbins and 317 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,839 Speaker 1: these og influencers that are trying to make this switch 318 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: influencer to successful business woman and entrepreneur, and I'm wondering 319 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: how that's going to go if some of them do 320 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: actually step away from last. So I think the different 321 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: thing is for instance, with Sammy Robinson. Obviously I am 322 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: a fan of her. I think that she is actually 323 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:18,959 Speaker 1: quite talented with fashion. She's very fashion forward. That is 324 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: obviously a strength of hers, so I think that her brand. 325 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: If Sammy doesn't have a huge profile, I think Sammy's 326 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: brand would still be popular. However, perhaps something like a 327 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: sleepwear brand, which is a bit of a dimer does, 328 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: and I don't know whether that popularity would extend when 329 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: Lily Brown perhaps is no longer popular on social media. 330 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting that these influencers are turning to 331 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: the business world because I think what they've realized is 332 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: that when you're young, it seems probably fun to be 333 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: famous and people know everything about you and pay for 334 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: not doing much, and they've experienced what that's actually like 335 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: and have realized that it's shit. And now they can see, oh, 336 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: actually I can earn all this money through do my 337 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: own business, staying off my social west that has the 338 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: income it is And I think that they it shows 339 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: that they've actually sort of matured. Yeah, it is interesting, 340 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: and I think because influencing is so relatively new, we 341 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: are going to start seeing whether that if that is 342 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: a success or not for these people. Now, despite Lily 343 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: saying she was sick of people speculating about things that 344 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: she was keen to keep private, she did bread crumb 345 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: more information about her relationship with Christian House. So just 346 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: to remind you guys, back in September, when she was 347 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: holidaying in Bali, Lily shared several videos to TikTok with 348 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: Christian and they were very flirtatious, so they did a 349 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: muk bung where there was a lot of sexual innuendo. 350 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: They also filmed a video of them slapping each other 351 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: in the face with Tutias, and later on, as I mentioned, 352 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: Lily did a Q and A with Michael Finch where 353 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: she confirmed she had slept with someone in Balley. So 354 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: everyone is putting it all together and thinking that is Christian. 355 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: So basically Lily's Q and A was filled with questions 356 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: about Christian, and Lily confirmed that she doesn't have a 357 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: boyfriend and isn't dating Christian. She said that she does 358 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: love him dearly though, and he's very special to her. 359 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: Else then wrote why don't you just date Christian? You 360 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: have great chemistry, and she wrote this seems a bit invasive, Haha, 361 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: We definitely do. Neither of us are looking at getting 362 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: into a relationship. At the moment, we enjoy each other's 363 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: company as friends. So just keeping it that way for now. 364 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying about it now, So no one 365 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: asks any more questions, please. I think it's quite clear 366 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: from looking at his profile and just looking, not stalking, 367 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: from looking at his profile that he's living this different 368 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: lifestyle in Bali. He's living this single guy lifestyle plarting. Yeah, 369 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: he looks like a fuck boy. I'm sure that they 370 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: probably there was something going on between them, but they've 371 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: reached that point where no one's ready to commit. I 372 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: love this notion of here's some more information about me 373 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: and Christian, but don't ask any more questions. I need 374 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: you guys to help explain this, and maybe some people 375 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: in the Facebook community can so. When I was having 376 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: a look at these videos on TikTok, influencer m Davies, 377 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: who was on the trip with Lily, kept leaving these 378 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: two emojis on Lily and also Christian's videos. 379 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 2: So I get the egg plant emoji. But before it 380 00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 2: was an otter. 381 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: Aren't otters really set active or don't they like go 382 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: down on one another? Or something isn't there some weird 383 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: thing with otters. I don't know, is that some reference 384 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: to a vagina? 385 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 2: It's collecting drift? Is it meant to that's beaver? Yeah? 386 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 2: But is it meant to be like collecting a plan? 387 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 1: But isn't it like isn't there's not an emoji of 388 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: a beaver? So is that the closest one? I think 389 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: there is a bever e it's someone who's more in 390 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,239 Speaker 1: tuned with what's going on in the Facebook community. Can 391 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: you let us know? I found the way that Lily 392 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: spoke about money really interesting, and it is clear now 393 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 1: that she has a business, so her priorities are changing. 394 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: And one of Lily's followers said to her, I'll get 395 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,439 Speaker 1: that doo or bag that you're always talking about, and 396 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: she responded saying, couldn't imagine spending that money on a 397 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: fucking handbag these days? Haha, Not when you've got people's 398 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: wages to pay. She also revealed that she is no 399 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 1: longer getting a new car, so she said that she 400 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 1: had to pull the pin on it because there's a 401 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: few big invoices for chill coming up, and that she 402 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 1: had to put her big girl pants on and think 403 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: about what's more important. Now. I'm not trying to be 404 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: a dick, but my heart doesn't really bleed for Oh no, 405 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 1: I can't get my k new car. I don't think 406 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: she's trying to say that. I think she's actually just 407 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: opening up and saying, I'm actually investing in this business. 408 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 2: She obviously wants. 409 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: To be known as more than just an influencer. She 410 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 1: wants her business taken seriously. Well, the thing is, she 411 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 1: did say that she's thinking of selling her current car, 412 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: which is a Mercedes, and you might remember it from 413 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 1: a vlog that she did, So she has changed a 414 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: lot when you think about her priorities now, because I 415 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: remember that it was this big thing when she got 416 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: the Mercedes and she did a vlog showing everyone around it, 417 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: and now she's thinking of downsizing her car so she 418 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,439 Speaker 1: can use the money to go to Europe. Are you 419 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: excited at this? Are you excited at this? 420 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 3: She's going to give them such ugly names, that's like 421 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 3: can worm mer cute names like come on, you can't 422 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 3: beat that. 423 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: Anna Paul has surprised her mum with a Sphinx cat. 424 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 1: The latest edition is the Paul family's third hairless cat. 425 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: I just love that they keep collecting these hairless cats 426 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 1: because I feel like it's a big fuck you to 427 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: everyone that was saying that it was a publicity stunt, 428 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: because about a year and a half ago, when Anna 429 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: announced that she was getting a new Sphinx cat and 430 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: had named it Nutsack, the whole internet went into meltdown, 431 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 1: including ourselves. We thought it was stupid, and we were 432 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,679 Speaker 1: very skeptical about it. We didn't think it was stupid 433 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: that she was getting a cat. We thought it was 434 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,959 Speaker 1: a bit disrespectful to call the cat nutsack. But now 435 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,439 Speaker 1: now that I know her person, you know, or Nutty, 436 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: Now I love her, Now I love the cats. I'm like, 437 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: what's kind of funny? Well, apparently Anna said that someone 438 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: even called animal services on them, was okay? 439 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 2: Or was that a listener from the podcast? 440 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 1: Well, I think Anna and her brother Adas have definitely 441 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: proven the skeptics wrong because Adas has his own Sphinx 442 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 1: cat called Mister Wormy, and Anna of course has Nutsack, 443 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: and they're very dedicated to their cats, so you'll often 444 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: see on their TikTok that they have personalized accessories with 445 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: their cats on it. They even have a new artwork 446 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: in their house of mister WORMI are nutsack. 447 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 2: That was my favorite part of the video. 448 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 1: When it flashed onto that artwork, I was like, I 449 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 1: need to get one of these if my cats Gg 450 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: and Betley was so funny. They're really part of the 451 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,679 Speaker 1: Paul Family brand now because they even appeared on the 452 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: stack stickers. They were stick as a wearing and nutsack. 453 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 454 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: So the video that Anna shared about getting this new 455 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:08,360 Speaker 1: hairless cat was really cute. So Anna explained that her 456 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:12,239 Speaker 1: mom's dog Angel had passed away three years ago and 457 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: that her mum still had a lot of love to give, 458 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: so she decided that she wanted to get a kitten 459 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: for her as a surprise. Now I need to throw 460 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 1: to this clip because it really cracked me up. When 461 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,959 Speaker 1: Anna was talking about cats. 462 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 2: I just loved it. 463 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 1: Because she had to explain that she was talking about 464 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: her cat and she literally held up knotsack and he 465 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: just looked like a nutsack. 466 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 2: Like it was just so funny. 467 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,360 Speaker 1: Now, after picking up the cat, Anna and her boyfriend 468 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: Glenn and also Adas stopped off at kmart to get 469 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 1: the kit in a blanket because apparently sphinx kittens get 470 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: really cold and they start shivering if they're not covered. 471 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:43,400 Speaker 2: In a blanket. 472 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: So Anna ended up wrapping the kitten in this blanket 473 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 1: and put it inside a gift box and present it 474 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 1: to her mum. Now, I think her mum was expecting 475 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: some sort of designer handbag. So when she opened it 476 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: up until this came ut rug, she's kind of like, oh, okay, 477 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: I thought you were going to say that the bold 478 00:20:58,320 --> 00:20:59,360 Speaker 1: cat was in there, and she's like. 479 00:20:59,320 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 2: What is this? 480 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: She thought it was glazed donuts. She thought it was 481 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: going to be a box of donuts. So she suddenly 482 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: saw the cat's head poking out and got very excited, 483 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: and they kept saying like, oh, yeah, Adie has got 484 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: a blanket. Glenn's got a blanket. Because when she opened 485 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,199 Speaker 1: up the blanket box, and it just reminded me on 486 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: South Park when they kept saying blanket when they had 487 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,199 Speaker 1: that micro tracks on the episode Blanket. I'm dying to 488 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: know what this cat is called. Charlie's got a funny name. 489 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: So I found it pretty funny because in the video, 490 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: Anna and Addis were like saying how worried they were 491 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,120 Speaker 1: that the mum was going to call it something bad, 492 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,640 Speaker 1: and I'm like, are you're seriously so now followers were 493 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: very keen to find out the name. Someone wrote in 494 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: the comments asking like, haws, your mom come up with 495 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 1: a name, and Anna said her mom hadn't named it 496 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 1: yet because she wanted to get a feel for it 497 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 1: his personality. Anna added, We're hoping it's something cute. Mom 498 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: is weird with names. Now I can see where Anna 499 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: was coming from, because when they finally revealed the name, there. 500 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 2: Was this full story. 501 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: So her mom is German, and apparently Anna and Addas 502 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 1: actually only speak to the mum in German, which I 503 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 1: really interesting. And Anna was explaining that her mum loved 504 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: the show Pippy Long Stockings, the German version of it, 505 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,679 Speaker 1: and apparently there was this monkey that was her pet 506 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,199 Speaker 1: and it had some strange German name which I'm not 507 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: even going to try pronouncing, even though I have German heritage. 508 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 1: So there were all these like weird names, and then 509 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,199 Speaker 1: Annas like, why don't you just call it Pippy? So 510 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: they've gone with Pippy, not Penis or something pippy nuts. 511 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 2: I think penis is just well, I suppose not. That's 512 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 2: pretty of it. 513 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: It could sound like Peep peep and pepe. 514 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 2: You're above everyone. 515 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 1: You do, you do your work grounds on your high helps. 516 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 2: I'm used to don't even fucking know me. I don't 517 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 2: want to you crack on with your thing and you 518 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 2: and your fringe. 519 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 4: Can oh my god, the mouth be. 520 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 1: This week, millions of Instagram users were reeling after discovery 521 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 1: they'd either been logged out of their accounts or told 522 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 1: their accounts were suspended. Now, kay, you were one of 523 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 1: those people either got a friend antique message at about 524 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: one am. 525 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 526 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 1: So I was actually going to like a photo of 527 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: your dog on Instagram and something had like screen white 528 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 1: screen popped up, and I was like, your account's been suspended, 529 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 1: and I was like what, Yeah, I got so confused 530 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 1: because your comment disappeared. Yeah, and I was so annoyed 531 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: because I was like, have I done something wrong? And 532 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: I read the list of things that you know, apparently 533 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: why your account get to spend it suspended. I'm like, 534 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: I haven't even done any of it. I know. I 535 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: loved it because I was frantically googling. And then this 536 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: news article popped up. It was actually on the Daily 537 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 1: Mail that said so many users had been suspended. It 538 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: was a huge Instagram glitch, and I was like, thank 539 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 1: goodness because it's your Hends party coming up. As we've 540 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 1: discussed it, I need to share my snapping clar So 541 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: this problem was solved by Instagram within a few hours 542 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,959 Speaker 1: and they did apologize, so they said, we've resolved this 543 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 1: bug now. It was causing people in different parts of 544 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 1: the world to have issues accessing their accounts and it 545 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 1: caused a temporary change for some of the numbers of followers. Sorry, 546 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: so lots of people were freaking out. Everyone turned to 547 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: Twitter because Instagram was down and like my business profile 548 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 1: and dropping thousands and thousands of followers. So Cristiano Ronaldo 549 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: his follower account dropped by three million, isn't that because 550 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 1: he's the most followed, one of the most followed people 551 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 1: on Instagram. He has got four hundred and ninety three million, 552 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:15,400 Speaker 1: so I don't think he would have been missing those 553 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: three million. Within a few hours they were back on. 554 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: So basically it shows you how many people were affected 555 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: because three million followers of his their accounts are affected, 556 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: so they disappeared. I'm not one of them, no, but 557 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 1: there has been similar issues with the app in the 558 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,679 Speaker 1: past where users have been unable to access their accounts. However, 559 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: they've never been told their accounts were suspended. So users 560 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 1: who were sent this suspension notice were given the opportunity 561 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: to appeal the decision within thirty days, but the notice 562 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: said that if we can't confirm your account. 563 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 2: It will be permanently deleted. 564 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 1: I freaked out because I was trying to fill out 565 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 1: the form to say I haven't done anything wrong, can 566 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,679 Speaker 1: you please reneg on this, and then it wouldn't let 567 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: me send it because then I had to verify my 568 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: intro gram account, which I couldn't log into, So. 569 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 2: I was like, this is fuck. 570 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: Do we actually think that this was a glitch or 571 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: do we think this was a cyber attack on Instagram. 572 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: I think it was a glitch and it has actually 573 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: resulted in the shares of Mesa who owns Instagram going down, 574 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: So on the day of the outage, their stock price 575 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 1: fell by five percent. So maybe TikTok, maybe TikTok tried 576 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: to get in there. Well, Sophie, there is a theory 577 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: that the suspension messages may be a sign of things 578 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: to come, and this isn't for the users who receive them, 579 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: but these are for the hundreds of thousands of bought 580 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 1: accounts that are currently in existence. Because back in September, 581 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 1: there were media reports that some of the world's biggest 582 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: Instagram accounts were losing millions of followers. So Bernardo again, 583 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: he dropped by one point six million followers and Kim 584 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 1: Kardashian lost two point four million followers. I feel like 585 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: we've got to explain what bot accounts are because they 586 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: are predominantly fake accounts, so basically. 587 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 2: Not finsters, but not finsters. 588 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 1: Yes, so it's companies who have created fake accounts to 589 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: then sell followers to people. Yeah, so it doesn't necessarily 590 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: mean that people like Kristin Ronaldo and Kim Kardashian have 591 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: bought the bots. That's exactly right, Sophie. So everybody on 592 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 1: Instagram has bot accounts following them. So the CEO of 593 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 1: hype Auditor, which is a program that audits social media accounts, 594 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: he said that he suspects the drop in numbers is 595 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 1: due to Instagram purging in active or fraudulent accounts. So 596 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: he said it's common for Instagram as well as Twitter 597 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: and YouTube to do this from time to time. So 598 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: it's not a reflection on celebrities like Kim Kardashian because 599 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: everybody has these bots following them. That being said, it 600 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: can be a reflection on some influence definite accounts because 601 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: there are a number of influencers who would have started 602 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 1: off by buying accounts to make their accounts look legit, 603 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: and I think that they're the ones who are probably 604 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: very worried about this coming out. Well, that's right, Sophe, 605 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 1: because follower fraud is one of the most prevalent issues 606 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: that has arisen in the influencer space, and I've found 607 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,880 Speaker 1: this stat really startling. So according to Statista, forty nine 608 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:04,439 Speaker 1: percent of Instagram influencers participated in follower fraud. Really, like, 609 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 1: do you mean over the last ten years or more recently. Well, 610 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: they traced accounts from twenty twenty one and they said 611 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: of the accounts they looked at, there was over one 612 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty million accounts, forty nine percent of them 613 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 1: had fake followers. And further investigation showed that one in 614 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 1: four influencers purchased fifteen percent of their total followers, and 615 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: every three and four influencers purchased over ten thousand followers. 616 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 1: So the main reason, as you said, Sophie, is probably 617 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,919 Speaker 1: when these wanna be influencers first start their accounts, a 618 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: lot of people will go and buy say ten thousand followers, 619 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,159 Speaker 1: so they look legit and they have that social proof. 620 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: Well that's the thing. A lot of our clients with 621 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: our PR company, who immediate, they will ask us, how 622 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 1: can I tell if this person has a legitimate following? 623 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 1: And one of the best ways is to look through 624 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 1: who follows them and you can quickly determine whether someone 625 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: is a bot account or not. But it is really 626 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 1: difficult because some people even go as far as purchasing 627 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: likes and also views. So I had to deal with 628 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 1: an influencer who was ripping this business off. So she 629 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: went into this business. She was being paid to post 630 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 1: and also use some of their products, and she ended 631 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: up paying for thousands of views and thousands of likes 632 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: to make it look really popular. But they literally had 633 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 1: no one calling in to go and do the same 634 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: experience as her, So they were like, what is going on? 635 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 1: Why isn't this making sense? And that's the thing where 636 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: influencers start getting caught out. Because you can have a 637 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,360 Speaker 1: large following, you can buy your followers, you can buy 638 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: your likes, you can buy your views. But when you 639 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 1: start launching your own brand and no one's buying it 640 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: because literally everyone that follows you is fake or working 641 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: with other brands and using discounacteries where they can track 642 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: how popular you've been. 643 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 2: You can literally get found out. 644 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: And I think we've seen that with quite a few 645 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: Australian influences when they go out on their own and 646 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: they're not as successful as you would expect them to be. 647 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: And there are some big influencers who may have legitimately 648 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: built a following, but then some of them will actually 649 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: go and buy fowers as well because they want to 650 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: be seen to be growing their following because that is 651 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: really appealing to brand because brands are more likely to 652 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: partner with an influencer who shows follower growth. Now, all 653 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: of this talk about influencers losing followers, maybe want to 654 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: do a bit of an investigation of my own into 655 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:17,719 Speaker 1: Australian influences. 656 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 2: So I had to look at some of the biggest. 657 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: Influencers in Australia that we talk about often, and people 658 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: like Tyliscaines and Sammy Robinson. They both lost followers on 659 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: the Monday when Instagram had their sort of crash and 660 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: ended up regaining them the next day. It was the 661 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: same for Saffron Baker, a UK influencer, and Michael Finch. 662 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: They all regained the thousands of followers they lost, but 663 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: I saw something really strange. So people like Madison Wooley 664 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: and Sarah's Day, they both over the last thirty days 665 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 1: have lost over three thousand followers and they weren't affected 666 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: on the Monday at all. And this trend seems to 667 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: be continuing across the last couple of months, where they 668 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: are just consistently losing thousands of followers. Yeah. I noticed 669 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: it too with Shany Grimm and she losing a lot 670 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: of followers every single day. Tylia Scaines lost six thousand 671 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: this month. So do we think that this is part 672 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: of Instagram's clearing out of body counts or do we 673 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: think this is because their content isn't popular. I actually 674 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: think it may have something to do with the bots. 675 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: Maybe it's more difficult now to actually purchase followers than 676 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: it was at the start of the year because a 677 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: lot of these influences like Madison Woolly, Sarah's Day, Shanie 678 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 1: grimmand they all at the start of the year were 679 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 1: gaining thousands. 680 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 2: And thousands of follows. 681 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: I mean I saw Madison Willy and in August twenty 682 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: nineteen gain over forty five thousand followers in one week. 683 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 2: That which is very suspicious. 684 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: And to put that into perspective, someone like Abby Chatfield 685 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: who was on The Bachelor, she gained fifty thousand followers 686 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: in a week because she was on the show. Well, 687 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: I think that's all we've got time for today. Thank 688 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 1: you for listening to another episode of Outspoken. Today's podcast 689 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: was recorded on the traditional land of the Ghana people 690 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: of the Adelaide Planes. We pay respect to elders past 691 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: and present. If you have enjoyed today's episode, we would 692 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: absolutely love it if you can share where you're listening 693 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: from on Instagram and also make sure you are subscribed 694 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: on Apple Podcasts and also Spotify